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[TouKen4Life3g]

To those who feels doubt, if you have the chance to erase a feeling from a person, who will you choose, Sakura (Sasuke) or Hinata?

[PhenixElite]

To those who feels doubt, if you have the chance to erase a feeling from a person, who will you choose, Sakura (Sasuke) or Hinata?

Sakura i guess.
Just to edit, i dont feel doubt but im still answering the question

Edited by PhenixElite, 13 May 2013 - 09:43 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

To those who feels doubt, if you have the chance to erase a feeling from a person, who will you choose, Sakura (Sasuke) or Hinata?

Can't i choose Naruto?
I wish i could erase his feelings for Sasuke the manga would be more enjoyable.

[Don-kun]

To those who feels doubt, if you have the chance to erase a feeling from a person, who will you choose, Sakura (Sasuke) or Hinata?

If i have to choose then I will definitely said that love obsession Naruto has towards Sasuke, like what dark said it would make the Manga 10 times more enjoyable and it would give me a 100% confirmation that Sasuke would not be easily let of the hook by anyone.

Edited by Don-kun, 13 May 2013 - 11:27 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

If i have to choose then I will definitely said that love obsession Naruto has towards Sasuke, like what dark said it would make the Manga 10 times more enjoyable and it would give me a 100% confirmation that Sasuke would not be easily let of the hook by anyone.

Yeah, went after him three times on the shippuuden and only went to save one jinchuuriki once.
Then he faints because of Sasuke, says cant become hokage because of Sasuke, says that wants to die with Sasuke, sometimes i wonder myself why Kishimoto didnt make Sasuke to be a girl where Naruto had a love interest on her at least it would make sense.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 13 May 2013 - 12:25 PM.

[Don-kun]

Yeah, went after him three times on the shippuuden and only went to save one jinchuuriki once.
Then he faints because of Sasuke, says cant become hokage because of Sasuke, says that wants to die with Sasuke, sometimes i wonder myself why Kishimoto didnt make Sasuke to be a girl where Naruto had a love interest on her at least it would make sense.

Completely agree with this post.

[Inferno180]

Sakura i guess.
Just to edit, i dont feel doubt but im still answering the question

I'd actually do Hinata, let her display her final development (leadership, confidence, clan leader) but let her become unbound from Naruto, no longer needing to follow him, let her be happy for Naruto and Sakura, see Naruto's feelings for Sakura if anything else. She is a minor character, its not hard to imagine a scenario in which Naruto just tells her he does not feel the same and how he likes Sakura and the whole promise thing (this would literally knock sense into the rabid portion of the NH fanbase seeing the logic if Naruto does not feel worthy of Sakura, how could he feel anything better for anyone else including Hinata?) and give the blah blah friendship, blah blah better future due to neji, blah blah she leads her clan, blah blah now on to team 7. Seriously, its not hard to imagine Hinata's ending as being she is acknowledged by Naruto and no longer needs inspiration from Naruto, her character has been encouragement more than love, she idolized Naruto so long, many of these types of development can end effectively by that last association where the follower "graduates" Hinata can graduate from Naruto, she can stand on her own, thats a completely logical ending for her.

I'd rather leave Sakura as is because she already has a notion of turning and may just turn to Naruto, Sakura has always struggled between Naruto and Sasuke since their rivalry hit a boiling point on the roof. I'd rather see Sakura have an internal struggle than just let everything go all at once before finally coming to her decision to take Naruto over Sasuke.

[Gravenimage]

I'd actually do Hinata, let her display her final development (leadership, confidence, clan leader) but let her become unbound from Naruto, no longer needing to follow him, let her be happy for Naruto and Sakura, see Naruto's feelings for Sakura if anything else. She is a minor character, its not hard to imagine a scenario in which Naruto just tells her he does not feel the same and how he likes Sakura and the whole promise thing (this would literally knock sense into the rabid portion of the NH fanbase seeing the logic if Naruto does not feel worthy of Sakura, how could he feel anything better for anyone else including Hinata?) and give the blah blah friendship, blah blah better future due to neji, blah blah she leads her clan, blah blah now on to team 7. Seriously, its not hard to imagine Hinata's ending as being she is acknowledged by Naruto and no longer needs inspiration from Naruto, her character has been encouragement more than love, she idolized Naruto so long, many of these types of development can end effectively by that last association where the follower "graduates" Hinata can graduate from Naruto, she can stand on her own, thats a completely logical ending for her.

I'd rather leave Sakura as is because she already has a notion of turning and may just turn to Naruto, Sakura has always struggled between Naruto and Sasuke since their rivalry hit a boiling point on the roof. I'd rather see Sakura have an internal struggle than just let everything go all at once before finally coming to her decision to take Naruto over Sasuke.

Problem I see the more development given to Hinata the more the NH fans will think she's going to end up with Naruto. They're not going to see the development to her character as a resolve to her duties as leader of her clan, no they see it has to be pairing related not clan related.

[James S Cassidy]

Problem I see the more development given to Hinata the more the NH fans will think she's going to end up with Naruto. They're not going to see the development to her character as a resolve to her duties as leader of her clan, no they see it has to be pairing related not clan related.

At this very moment, a NH fan is saying "Problem I see is these NS fans don't see NH growing as a couple recently and that Kishi is finally starting to make NH canon."

Edited by James S Cassidy, 13 May 2013 - 02:29 PM.

[Gravenimage]

At this very moment, a NH fan is saying "Problem I see is these these NS fans don't see NH growing as a couple recently and that Kishi is finally starting to make NH canon."

Yep that too.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

At this very moment, a NH fan is saying "Problem I see is these NS fans don't see NH growing as a couple recently and that Kishi is finally starting to make NH canon."

Sadly this also happens on this forum too...

[PhenixElite]

Sadly this also happens on this forum too...

Where? What do you mean?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Funny how you choose Naruto for Sasuke part. Well, I don't mind though it can be a bit overboard. I think the anime made it worse in that movie related special, but I digress. Anyway, well, I do see some that answer my question.

[Inferno180]

At this very moment, a NH fan is saying "Problem I see is these these NS fans don't see NH growing as a couple recently and that Kishi is finally starting to make NH canon."

And yet there is a very good quote I remember from shippuden episode 188 which though a filler episode, this quote is in line with Naruto's character

Naruto says this: "I never go back on my word, if I did I just wouldn't be true to myself." Now Naruto still has a promise to keep, not only would Naruto feel bad if he could not finish this to Sakura, he would be devastated as would she, but did NH fans ever consider how Hinata would act if she saw him give up? I'd think it would shatter Hinata's faith. In a funny sense, its like NH is at the mercy of NS, if Naruto actually gave up on Sakura, then NH would die.

Development for Hinata does not mean NH all the time yet many always think it is. 615 was a NaruHina moment but it was only on Hinata's side, then we get the hand holding which in reality was only a couple seconds, Naruto powers on, gives her the power, then a 3 week troll segment started from it. Only to see that 3 weeks later, it was just another moment quickly down the drain and the fight goes on. In this period of time, so many hinata fans may have gotten the idea that Hinata would somehow fight with Naruto and that this was the end of the story, case closed, no resolution on Sakura. Truth is, its Hinata who is nearing her end development, 615 may have just been her climax if anything, now she is steady going on and won't gain much more, if anything. Team 7 still has a lot to resolve, we still have not even seen Sakura's prespective and view with Naruto, 615 was just jumping to conclusions, possibly jumping to conclusions about 100 chapters or so too early. There are still so many issues Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke have less to address yet all the NS stuff though highly intertwined with the story, people still try to dismiss it and treat NH as if it was always active and the right one. How about this? Sakura's development is not done, nor is Naruto's, the real reason for the land of iron confession was Sakura trying to make amends to Naruto, she felt guilty and the situation put her in a tough situation. She herself told Naruto she was worried for him and wanted him back in the village, away from Sasuke if it put his life in danger, yet Naruto was stubborn to still follow it. Sai even admitted the real reason and said he felt guilty. Naruto said the hate those who lie to themselves, but what did he think about afterwards? He realized Sakura was doing it for his feelings, he knows Sakura cares for him. If anything, it would contradict Naruto's character to just not love or forgive her anymore. I mean just 12 chapters before, we see Naruto's reason he did not confess to Sakura, he felt he could not because of the only promise he could not fulfill, so kishi just had sai, kiba, and lee tag alone for a trip to the iron country to prevent a pairing? That makes a lot of sense! They just expect NH to have and easy open pass no questions needed. If anything chp 457 revealed that for Naruto, his goal towards Sasuke and Sakura are his biggest trials and though he has managed to help many others, the only ones he has not yet fulfilled were ironically his own teammates. He seeks acknowledgement overall from both Sasuke (as a rival/friend/equal) and Sakura (in love). The logic of Naruto never forgiving Sakura also is a flaw on his character than too, he can forgive Nagato and Kurama for much worse yet not Sakura for something for his own wellbeing and who was willing to sacrifice everything for him? They label Sakura as a jerk for it? Unbelievable. Short answer is simple, if Naruto gave up on Sakura, that defeats the purpose of his character to never give up and resolve things with change. If Naruto does not complete something one way, he finds another to make it true, that's how he works. He knows he could not get Sasuke back by his original means, so he will still try it in a different sense (well we also need to see how things go on Sasuke's end now due to his recent change).

Naruto and Sakura have future interaction, a lot when it gets closer down to just team 7, a place all other characters will need to just stand back and watch at. NH fans somehow expect Hinata to be the one behind Naruto in this fight while they image Sakura just looking at Sasuke acting like part 1 Sakura again. Truth is, its going to be Sakura behind Naruto, she knows Naruto is the only one to resolve things, hell even as recent as chapter 628, though minor screentime, we still see Sakura has concern, care, support, and faith in Naruto. Sakura still has faith in him, she did ever since the POAL, she still wants to help him in a major way, even as late as 573, she wants to do something for him. Sakura will have her moment, if not in this arc then later in the final fight vs Sasuke. 540, as I said before, I think its a case of dramatic suspense, something could arise from it, Sakura could gradually shift towards Naruto soon, besides everyone basically knows her crush on Sasuke was a negative trait, to just make it positive again would ruin her purpose in development and put Sasuke OOC to actually return her feelings.

Seriously, its just too insane to think that even with all the development, interaction, and parallels that NS would just be dumped for NH, if it was, what a complete waste of development to leave as mere friendship, let a hardly developed pairing just become canon, not to mention that the girl of this pairing is hardly important to the storyline. I believe NS will happen, just still concerned that the story could become a glorifed fanfiction if the bad stuff actually happens, I highly doubt it will but Naruto and Sakura still have a lot to resolve with each other and Sasuke before the final chapters of this series come within sight. Naruto and Sakura still have stuff between each other to resolve too. Again though, this just all falls back on the fact that Naruto never gives up, he is a kind person, a forgive and forget type guy. If anything I would never expect him to give up on Sakura, like Sasuke. If he gave up on either of them then any hopes relating to Sasuke, Sakura, and hokage would just burn away. Sasuke is the key to everything, but if he gave up on either Sasuke for his own reasons or Sakura for the promise, it all collapses the same way. Basically, the key to the faith in that Naruto still loves Sakura (a very logical reason he still loves her) is because of him never giving up. Anything else would ruin his character and contradict so much of what he did or tries to do.

I have faith NS will come, too much development, interaction, parallels, and important story events are tied with it. I feel 90% confident it will happen, just a minor concern about the "bad stuff." All I need to see for reassurment in NaruSaku is the buildup, the logical story reasons surrounding the land of iron event (of Naruto still loving her like understanding her pain, knowing why she did it, and just general characters reasons like he is a forgiving person otherwise giving up on her contradicts so many aspects of his character and others claims), Naruto breaking the cycle of failure his predecessors had (including the sannin and team minato girl-love situation), and just plain character development, Sakura starting out having once hating Naruto to ending loving him and Naruto having started out as a loser ignored by sakura to becoming a talented very powerful shinobi and hokage and succeeding with Sakura. Generally seeing a full circle development is very easy to see and very possibly for the series, its one part of a good ending that could be made for the series. NaruSaku in the ending does a lot good for both Naruto's and Sakura's characters, especially Sakura ending by forgiving Sasuke but being friends with him, but her loving Naruto is the full development opposite of what we saw when it first began. NaruSaku has so much good to it its scary ...and that is a very good thing!

[PhenixElite]

@Inferno180: Wow awesome job done with that post. Thats how it is.

[Slextrem]

Gotta say I'm a bit curious on what complaints you have about it.
Well I saw the first day when the chapter is released is the most critical day, where peoples opinions of the chapter aren't yet formed. But to be honest this attrition we suffer with the chapter waiting....

I liked what happened in the chapter, but the way it was executed was done poorly, in my opinion. I felt like it showed how lazy Kishimoto has gotten when it comes to this series, and that made me sad. I wrote about it in my blog:

If you enjoyed the chapter, don't read this. It will likely dampen your enjoyment of the chapter, and I don't want that to happen. --Click here to view--

Sakura looked like crap this chapter. That blast must have given her a lazy eye or something, cause she's looking off in two different directions at the same time. LOL. This chapter really showed just how lazy Kishimoto has gotten with this series:

1) His artwork was awful. Case and point, Sakura's panel.
2) Apparently, the Alliance now consists of 14 people. (Bottom panel: http://www.mangahere...3/c629/10.html)
3) Chouji and Hinata are the only Rookies important enough for screen time.
4) Obito already knew everything that happened to Rin, so Kakashi doesn't have to explain it to him...

It feels like Kishimoto is just going through the motions, or cutting corners, with this story in order to get to the finish line. I couldn't even enjoy the NaruSaku moment because of how badly this chapter was done. It had potential to be a great chapter, but the way Kishimoto executed it was terrible. If he was too lazy to draw the entire Alliance, why not have all of the Rookies jump in front of Naruto instead? That would go hand-in-hand with the, "Rely on your friends", theme that's been going on for the past two years - but no.

Instead, we'll have Chouji point out the obvious for one panel, shrink the Alliance to a group of 14 fodder-nin, have only Hinata and Sakura jump in to help Naruto, (which I actually really liked - but where is everyone else?), and make a bunch of fodder-nin all inspired to help save the day. Cool...

Then to top it all off, he made Obito aware of everything that happened to Rin. Wouldn't it have been more appropriate to have Kakashi explain all of that to Obito? Maybe he did it on purpose, but that's not the turn I wanted him to take with this. I'm getting really tired of unnecessary plot twists. It's just... The laziness of it all is too much for me to handle. I think I might be falling out of love with this series. I haven't been inspired to read it since Obito's flashbacks, and by "inspired", I mean excitedly seeking out the chapter to find out what happens next because I genuinely want to know. At the moment, I'm actually finding Bleach more interesting than Naruto, which is sad...

I might be falling out of love with pairings too. I'm just not as happy as I used to be looking at Naruto and Sakura together, not because I think they would be a bad couple, but because the quality of the series has plummeted. The plot, and particularly the way that Kishimoto is executing the plot, has gotten so bad that the only thing I care about is praying that nothing else will get messed up. Like this week, for example. Yeah, Sakura healing Naruto was nice, but I couldn't enjoy it because Kishimoto botched Sakura's face. And sure, he's finally letting Hinata act as a leader, but she's not even directing characters that are relevant to the story. Just fodder characters... *sigh* I just want Kishimoto to treat this series seriously until the end. Until that happens, I give up on pairings.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I liked what happened in the chapter, but the way it was executed was done poorly, in my opinion. I felt like it showed how lazy Kishimoto has gotten when it comes to this series, and that made me sad. I wrote about it in my blog:

If you enjoyed the chapter, don't read this. It will likely dampen your enjoyment of the chapter, and I don't want that to happen. --Click here to view--

Sakura looked like crap this chapter. That blast must have given her a lazy eye or something, cause she's looking off in two different directions at the same time. LOL. This chapter really showed just how lazy Kishimoto has gotten with this series:

1) His artwork was awful. Case and point, Sakura's panel.
2) Apparently, the Alliance now consists of 14 people. (Bottom panel: http://www.mangahere...3/c629/10.html)
3) Chouji and Hinata are the only Rookies important enough for screen time.
4) Obito already knew everything that happened to Rin, so Kakashi doesn't have to explain it to him...

It feels like Kishimoto is just going through the motions, or cutting corners, with this story in order to get to the finish line. I couldn't even enjoy the NaruSaku moment because of how badly this chapter was done. It had potential to be a great chapter, but the way Kishimoto executed it was terrible. If he was too lazy to draw the entire Alliance, why not have all of the Rookies jump in front of Naruto instead? That would go hand-in-hand with the, "Rely on your friends", theme that's been going on for the past two years - but no.

Instead, we'll have Chouji point out the obvious for one panel, shrink the Alliance to a group of 14 fodder-nin, have only Hinata and Sakura jump in to help Naruto, (which I actually really liked - but where is everyone else?), and make a bunch of fodder-nin all inspired to help save the day. Cool...

Then to top it all off, he made Obito aware of everything that happened to Rin. Wouldn't it have been more appropriate to have Kakashi explain all of that to Obito? Maybe he did it on purpose, but that's not the turn I wanted him to take with this. I'm getting really tired of unnecessary plot twists. It's just... The laziness of it all is too much for me to handle. I think I might be falling out of love with this series. I haven't been inspired to read it since Obito's flashbacks, and by "inspired", I mean excitedly seeking out the chapter to find out what happens next because I genuinely want to know. At the moment, I'm actually finding Bleach more interesting than Naruto, which is sad...

I might be falling out of love with pairings too. I'm just not as happy as I used to be looking at Naruto and Sakura together, not because I think they would be a bad couple, but because the quality of the series has plummeted. The plot, and particularly the way that Kishimoto is executing the plot, has gotten so bad that the only thing I care about is praying that nothing else will get messed up. Like this week, for example. Yeah, Sakura healing Naruto was nice, but I couldn't enjoy it because Kishimoto botched Sakura's face. And sure, he's finally letting Hinata act as a leader, but she's not even directing characters that are relevant to the story. Just fodder characters... *sigh* I just want Kishimoto to treat this series seriously until the end. Until that happens, I give up on pairings.

my response --Click here to view--

Well first of all 1 : I didnt care too much about the artwork he did that on this arc a lot and even did some inconsistences like Naruto's shoulder who magically was dislocated just for Hinata to "fix" it when before that scene he throw two rasen shurikens with the dislocated shoulder but doesnt feel nothing or give the impression it was dislocated, sadly even when he makes the kagebushin and start passing out chakra doesnt make this appear, it was a twist to make that Hinata was capable of doing stuff for Naruto, fanservice or development i dont care.
I care more about inconsistence.

Second the plot of the war arc is going downhill since Madara got ressurrected, that Edo tensei was incosistent and more about his powers too, Hashirama motives and that's all sadly he made seen that Hashirama was the biggest villain of the series(being the reason of the "darkness of the village") just because he did the right thing kill the selfish bastard., Sasuke being show as innocent or even the biggest victim of the series.

I'm just going to express one thing my disappointment is "Asspulls" just that i'm sick of twists without explanations or even when something is going one road then he suddenly choses another road without any reason other than surprise the fans.
He did that with Sasuke, now wiht Hinata being a leader without development, we all knew she would be like this but Kishimoto developed her on a way that her whole world was Naruto and suddenly gives a twist where her entire development was just to become a leader, could be a good asspull for NS since it can say that NH won't happen but it just seemed like, "hinata is just popular then instead of development i'll throw every bone about NH and suddenly i'll make a huge twist where she becames a leader and her development stop".

I'm just sick of plot twists.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 13 May 2013 - 04:12 PM.

[sushi.]

Slex, what's the name of your blog? ^-^

[Don-kun]

Naruto and his Ninja ways, I might agree with Naruto never going back on his words since that is his Ninja way.
But what does that have to do with NS?

Naruto as never vow to win Sakura's heart, the closes he ever came was when he admitted that after training Kakashi and Sasuke will finally acknowledge him and maybe Sakura might start liking him.

Naruto has never vow that he will confess to Sakura he said he could not tell her how he feels because he could not keep a promise to her.

These are the things we need to consider, Sakura desire for wanting to do more for Naruto, Yamato telling her what she feels for him is what matter most, Sakura not feeling deserving of his feelings, Naruto liking Sakura and the fact that the main character should have a chance to at least let the girl he loves/lived for so long at least know why he liked/likes her in the first place, liking Hinata does not go against his character like I said he never made Sakura a goal he respect her feelings and vow to see her happy it could be with anyone ass long that she is happy.

Sakura and Naruto are the only character that hasn't express to the unrequited loved why they feel that way about them, and if Sakura's reason are tied with what we already know them it should be even more obvious that SS is not going anywhere, while Hinata his nindo and her wishes was to walk with him while holding his hand.


Episode 235 is a clear example of what I meant, if Naruto makes a declaration like that one, going to Hinata will be him giving up because he could not win Sakura's affection something that is completely out of character since it has been stated that once he makes up his mind on something he does not give up.
Manga wise we just need to wait and find out.

Naruto only vows are, saving Sasuke for Sakura and himself, making Sakura happy, becoming Hokage and finding a solution for the current ninja system and this war.

Edited by Don-kun, 13 May 2013 - 04:20 PM.

[Slextrem]

Slex, what's the name of your blog? ^-^

Gummy Bears.