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[Branden]

Honestly, my greatest wish would be for Hinata to be totally irrelevant. I realize it's a popular contrivance -- for a girl (in this case Sakura) to finally realize the value of the "nice guy" when a threat exists that he might slip away -- but I want more than that for Naruto.

I want to see Sakura's epiphany -- the one I mentioned above -- be independent of external influences. I want her to look at Naruto and realize on her own, "Holy %$#!!!! I REALLY LOVE HIM!" I want it to be all about them and only them.

I would much prefer to see Hinata reacting to the inescapable truth of NS than see Sakura react to some manufactured angst over a girl that, as things stand, has zero chance landing Naruto.

Just my opinion, of course.

I am fairly certain that this pairing debate is going to end when Sakura arrives to help Naruto. Might not though, it does seem like it would be a bit early. If it doesn't end then it is going to cause A LOT of controversy. Probobly going to be just as much of a "WTF" moment as Sakura's confession or the truth about Itachi.

[Paptala]

Honestly, my greatest wish would be for Hinata to be totally irrelevant. I realize it's a popular contrivance -- for a girl (in this case Sakura) to finally realize the value of the "nice guy" when a threat exists that he might slip away -- but I want more than that for Naruto.

I want to see Sakura's epiphany -- the one I mentioned above -- be independent of external influences. I want her to look at Naruto and realize on her own, "Holy %$#!!!! I REALLY LOVE HIM!" I want it to be all about them and only them.

I would much prefer to see Hinata reacting to the inescapable truth of NS than see Sakura react to some manufactured angst over a girl that, as things stand, has zero chance landing Naruto.

Just my opinion, of course.

You seriously must have read my mind - because this is exactly what I want. Every single bit of it.


No grand end for Hinata - she has nothing to do with the Team 7 love triangle that is the nexus of the love subplot.

I've been imagining Sakura's love epiphany coming during something similar to the OVA 2011 scene where Sakura thinks Naruto is dead - but your version sounds so much better. Sakura's had enough angst and people telling her what she feels - let her be the one to come to a realization on her own.

Edited by Paptala, 03 July 2012 - 01:22 AM.

[redragon88]

If I'm not mistaken I think Kishi said he was gonna focus on Sasuke, Kakashi and Naruto (in that order) this year. We already got Sasuke's story for the year so next would be Kakashi. I'm just wondering if we'll finally get the Kakashi focus we were promised years ago. I think Kishi mentioned he wanted to focus on how Kakashi once mentioned that all those close to him are dead. That opens the possibility of a good flashback that shows how Kakashi's friends died. This might mean that we'll finally know what on earth happened to Rin. We already got confirmation she died since Kakashi stated, as he died himself during the Pain arc, on how he failed to protect her.

I'm sure many have wondered what caused her untimely demise. It might be interesting if it had something to do with how she dealt with Obito's death. We already saw how Obito dying changed Kakashi but we never saw the long term effects it could've had on Rin.

I'll be honest, I kinda felt pretty bad for Obito when as he died he felt saddened that one of the things he could never do was confess properly to Rin. Then just as Kakashi reveals to her how Obito felt for her the first thing she wants to do is immediately confess to Kakashi, you'd think she could at least stop and reflect on what she just heard but she doesn't. On the other hand, maybe she thought they might die there and this was her last chance to confess, but still, it felt kind of awkward to do it just as you find out that the boy that just died loved you with all his heart. On thing is having an unrequited love but that just felt like a knife to the heart of poor Obito.

I'm sort of hoping that if they show a flashback of Kakashi they focus on how losing Obito has affected Rin, especially with her knowing that the boy died without getting the chance to confess to her. I want to see her reflecting on that knowledge. Even if she never did return his feelings they could at least show her grieving him. I'm also very interested to see how Obito's death affected the interactions between Rin and Kakashi.

Would she insist on loving Kakashi and wanting him to be with her?
Would she feel guilty about it because of Obito?
Would she start having a change of heart about Obito now that he's gone? (like the old saying "You don't know what you have until it's gone)
How would Kakashi react to all of this?

[Paptala]

Probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but Kakashi already got an entire gaiden dedication to his back story AND the chat with his dead father's spirit. Plus, he was practically chosen to be the next Hokage and got a serious battle scene with Zabuza and co.

Should he get something, I hope that its brief like Tsunade's was.

Edited by Paptala, 03 July 2012 - 01:30 AM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but Kakashi already got an entire gaiden dedication to his back story AND the chat with his dead father's spirit. Plus, he was practically chosen to be the next Hokage and got a serious battle scene with Zabuza and co.

Should he get something, I hope that its brief like Tsunade's was.

In all honesty though, Kakashi is way more of a main character than Tsunade ever has been.

[Branden]

If I'm not mistaken I think Kishi said he was gonna focus on Sasuke, Kakashi and Naruto (in that order) this year. We already got Sasuke's story for the year so next would be Kakashi. I'm just wondering if we'll finally get the Kakashi focus we were promised years ago. I think Kishi mentioned he wanted to focus on how Kakashi once mentioned that all those close to him are dead. That opens the possibility of a good flashback that shows how Kakashi's friends died. This might mean that we'll finally know what on earth happened to Rin. We already got confirmation she died since Kakashi stated, as he died himself during the Pain arc, on how he failed to protect her.

I'm sure many have wondered what caused her untimely demise. It might be interesting if it had something to do with how she dealt with Obito's death. We already saw how Obito dying changed Kakashi but we never saw the long term effects it could've had on Rin.

I'll be honest, I kinda felt pretty bad for Obito when as he died he felt saddened that one of the things he could never do was confess properly to Rin. Then just as Kakashi reveals to her how Obito felt for her the first thing she wants to do is immediately confess to Kakashi, you'd think she could at least stop and reflect on what she just heard but she doesn't. On the other hand, maybe she thought they might die there and this was her last chance to confess, but still, it felt kind of awkward to do it just as you find out that the boy that just died loved you with all his heart. On thing is having an unrequited love but that just felt like a knife to the heart of poor Obito.

I'm sort of hoping that if they show a flashback of Kakashi they focus on how losing Obito has affected Rin, especially with her knowing that the boy died without getting the chance to confess to her. I want to see her reflecting on that knowledge. Even if she never did return his feelings they could at least show her grieving him. I'm also very interested to see how Obito's death affected the interactions between Rin and Kakashi.

Would she insist on loving Kakashi and wanting him to be with her?
Would she feel guilty about it because of Obito?
Would she start having a change of heart about Obito now that he's gone? (like the old saying "You don't know what you have until it's gone)
How would Kakashi react to all of this?

That reminds me of that old theory that Tobi is actually Obito. Since the last time we seen Tobi his mask was torn up we might get to see his face! That would definitely trigger an emotional scene with Kakashi
I'm glad we finally got off topic!

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

SAKURA...PAUNCH!!!



That's basiclly what I have in mind lol.

Ouch!!!

Honestly, my greatest wish would be for Hinata to be totally irrelevant. I realize it's a popular contrivance -- for a girl (in this case Sakura) to finally realize the value of the "nice guy" when a threat exists that he might slip away -- but I want more than that for Naruto.

I want to see Sakura's epiphany -- the one I mentioned above -- be independent of external influences. I want her to look at Naruto and realize on her own, "Holy %$#!!!! I REALLY LOVE HIM!" I want it to be all about them and only them.

I would much prefer to see Hinata reacting to the inescapable truth of NS than see Sakura react to some manufactured angst over a girl that, as things stand, has zero chance landing Naruto.

Just my opinion, of course. ;)

What if Hinata doesn't take NS lightly? What if Hinata resents Sakura all her life, after the war?

[Gravenimage]

Ouch!!!



What if Hinata doesn't take NS lightly? What if Hinata resents Sakura all her life, after the war?

Doubt that will happen she will have to accept it like she accepted the NS hug from 450. And who cares how Hinata feels the manga is called" Naruto" and it's about his goals and dreams not Hinata's. For all we know we might get an epilogue with her married to Neji and looking very happy killing NH for good.

[CloudMountainJuror]

What if Hinata doesn't take NS lightly? What if Hinata resents Sakura all her life, after the war?

Then...uh...oh well? Hinata's not really important enough for us to really care.

[Dalton.T.R]

Doubt that will happen she will have to accept it like she accepted the NS hug from 450. And who cares how Hinata feels the manga is called" Naruto" and it's about his goals and dreams not Hinata's. For all we know we might get an epilogue with her married to Neji and looking very happy killing NH for good.

LAWLS at the NaruHina faces!

[Branden]

I would like to bring up Hinata's confession for discussion. These are questions, not opinions. I'll give my opinion after I reread a couple chapters.

In Naruto we have herd Nagato say "Love breeds sacrafice, which breeds hate".

We have also herd that hatred is what causes the Kyuubi to take control of Naruto.


So with that said, why did Naruto turn Kyuubi when Hinata "died"? Why did Nagato say "Love breeds sacrifice, which breeds hate"? Does Naruto love Hinata?

[kirabook]

Naruto still "loves" his friends. If anyone went out there and died that way, confession or not, Naruto would have gone Kyuubi, I'm sure of it.

Naruto loves Hinata, not romantically at all, but he loves her as much as he loves Ino, Lee, Neji, Shikamaru, etc etc.

I personally feel it's silly for some to believe he let Kyuubi take over that way only because of Hinata. *not saying that's what you think, but I've seen it around*

[kidNinja]

I would like to bring up Hinata's confession for discussion. These are questions, not opinions. I'll give my opinion after I reread a couple chapters.

In Naruto we have herd Nagato say "Love breeds sacrafice, which breeds hate".

We have also herd that hatred is what causes the Kyuubi to take control of Naruto.


So with that said, why did Naruto turn Kyuubi when Hinata "died"? Why did Nagato say "Love breeds sacrifice, which breeds hate"? Does Naruto love Hinata?

I thought the love breeding sacrifice was the part were Hinata sacrificing herself for Naruto and the hate breeding part was Naruto hating Pain/Nagato for killing his godfather, destroying his home and "killing" one of his friends. So in that connotation, you could say he loves Hinata as a friend/comrade.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Naruto still "loves" his friends. If anyone went out there and died that way, confession or not, Naruto would have gone Kyuubi, I'm sure of it.

Naruto loves Hinata, not romantically at all, but he loves her as much as he loves Ino, Lee, Neji, Shikamaru, etc etc.

I personally feel it's silly for some to believe he let Kyuubi take over that way only because of Hinata. *not saying that's what you think, but I've seen it around*

Actually, it can be anyone in that situation and he will turn Kyuubi. He said it himself. Not directly but the message was there. Kyuubi happened because he couldn't take seeing his friends dying. That's why he wanted no one to interfere because if they get killed, he will go berserk. His heart can't take another death. In other words, it could happen to anyone. Kishi did it for her to get that development/closure. She needed the acknowledgment from Naruto and she got it. If anything her dialogue only means she will be the same level as him now since she got the acknowledgment. Remember, Sakura still didn't talk with Naruto yet, so she will have the next settlement and it will be huge. I can bet that.

[kirabook]

Yes... that is what I said.
He would have done the same thing had another one of his friends jumped in there like that.

[Paptala]

If Hinata was the sole reason for Naruto going 6 tails, then he would have been agonizing over her supposed death in his mental space when we see him next. Instead, he is agonizing over the question presented to him by pain - how would you confront this hatred to obtain peace?

Hinata's love made her "sacrifice" herself, and Hinata's "sacrifice" bred hate in Naruto along with everything else that happened. She was the last straw that broke the camel's back.

Edited by Paptala, 03 July 2012 - 04:11 AM.

[Branden]

truthfully I wrote that thinking that nagato said love breeds hate. which would have made more sense for naruhina then love breeds sacrafice.

My first impression was : How on earth could Naruto love Hinata out of nowhere?
Upon further thought I came to the conclusion that Hinata acted as the trigger after a build up of hatred in Naruto, the likeliness of any romantic feelings from Naruto in this chapter is highly unlikely, but not impossible.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yes... that is what I said.
He would have done the same thing had another one of his friends jumped in there like that.

Yeah, I know. I just want to point out my pov. If it's romance development from BOTH side, Naruto would have respond to her quickly. In fact, he should have respond it long time ago. But, much like Konohamaru, he acknowledged her strength and told her she's strong and shouldn't worry about feeling weak. That's all to it. He didn't even bring it up. She was treated like Konohamaru, only there to show how she has progressed. She proved it and now, we only left for Team 7 closure (unless we get some other one).

The running towards to Naruto is basically telling us how much Naruto changed them. It's nothing that we should worry at all. I think choice of words were used incorrectly from Kishi's end. Unless he really wants to destroy the whole development and even make anime fanservice look foolish and stupid, let alone games. If outside of manga people are confident of NaruSaku becoming canon, then you know they are willing to push it hard. Yes, we got NaruHina fanservice, BUT, notice it's mainly on Hinata part. Naruto's words is always about becoming stronger, not "Hinata, you're beautiful." So, it can easily brush out.

This is my thoughts after all.

[KnS]

No grand end for Hinata - she has nothing to do with the Team 7 love triangle that is the nexus of the love subplot.

Exactly.

I've been imagining Sakura's love epiphany coming during something similar to the OVA 2011 scene where Sakura thinks Naruto is dead - but your version sounds so much better. Sakura's had enough angst and people telling her what she feels - let her be the one to come to a realization on her own.

Yes. Because Naruto came to his realization about Sakura on his own. Although he was henged as Sasuke, Sasuke actually had nothing to do with the precise moment of Naruto's epiphany when he recognized his love for Sakura. It was private and internal, between the real him and the real her. The seed for Sakura's epiphany was planted at the very same time. The guy she fell in love with then -- the one who understood her and knew exactly how to speak to her heart -- was Naruto the whole time. The real him and the real her. When she is finally cured of her shortsightedness, it will be a "Naruto, just stop talking and kiss me" moment.

I'm sort of hoping that if they show a flashback of Kakashi they focus on how losing Obito has affected Rin, especially with her knowing that the boy died without getting the chance to confess to her. I want to see her reflecting on that knowledge. Even if she never did return his feelings they could at least show her grieving him. I'm also very interested to see how Obito's death affected the interactions between Rin and Kakashi.

Would she insist on loving Kakashi and wanting him to be with her?
Would she feel guilty about it because of Obito?
Would she start having a change of heart about Obito now that he's gone? (like the old saying "You don't know what you have until it's gone)
How would Kakashi react to all of this?

What might have happened between Kakashi and Rin has been a marble rolling around in my head for ages. The romantic in me has kind of always hoped that Kakashi had feelings for Rin too, but knowing that Obito loved her, and ultimately died for both of them, Kakashi never allowed himself to act on those feelings. Kishimoto has portrayed Kakashi as sort of a case of arrested development. A mild case, perhaps, but still. He has depth, and feelings, but honor and duty have prevailed in a curiously emotionless way -- but with a side of perviness. The trauma of their triangle could explain all that.

The other thing is the parallel between Rin and Sakura. What Rin did -- confessing to Kakashi before Obito's body was cold -- was something I could see early Part I Sakura doing. She would have mourned Naruto, and wouldn't have wanted to hurt his feelings or his memory, but in her immaturity I don't think a confession from Naruto before his death would have swayed her from Sasuke at that time either. But now?

I can't imagine any circumstance where Sakura could be happy with anyone else -- including Sasuke -- now that she knows Naruto loves her. Her love for, and loyalty to, Naruto are too strong. She simply couldn't choose someone else knowing how he feels. Not now. That's why SS is dead. Sakura has been systematically painted into an emotional corner, and the epiphany that Naruto is everything to her is the only thing that can bring her joy now.

What if Hinata doesn't take NS lightly? What if Hinata resents Sakura all her life, after the war?

I have to go with zacrathedemon5 on this. I am honestly not interested in Hinata's issues.

P.S. Another thing about Kakashi that drives me crazy? What awakened his Mangekyo? WHAT????

Edited by KnS, 03 July 2012 - 06:44 AM.

[Transformers03]

Exactly.


Yes. Because Naruto came to his realization about Sakura on his own. Although he was henged as Sasuke, Sasuke actually had nothing to do with the precise moment of Naruto's epiphany when he recognized his love for Sakura. It was private and internal, between the real him and the real her. The seed for Sakura's epiphany was planted at the very same time. The guy she fell in love with then -- the one who understood her and knew exactly how to speak to her heart -- was Naruto the whole time. The real him and the real her. When she is finally cured of her shortsightedness, it will be a "Naruto, just stop talking and kiss me" moment.


What might have happened between Kakashi and Rin has been a marble rolling around in my head for ages. The romantic in me has kind of always hoped that Kakashi had feelings for Rin too, but knowing that Obito loved her, and ultimately died for both of them, Kakashi never allowed himself to act on those feelings. Kishimoto has portrayed Kakashi as sort of a case of arrested development. A mild case, perhaps, but still. He has depth, and feelings, but honor and duty have prevailed in a curiously emotionless way -- but with a side of perviness. The trauma of their triangle could explain all that.

The other thing is the parallel between Rin and Sakura. What Rin did -- confessing to Kakashi before Obito's body was cold -- was something I could see early Part I Sakura doing. She would have mourned Naruto, and wouldn't have wanted to hurt his feelings or his memory, but in her immaturity I don't think a confession from Naruto before his death would have swayed her from Sasuke at that time either. But now?

I can't imagine any circumstance where Sakura could be happy with anyone else -- including Sasuke -- now that she knows Naruto loves her. Her love for, and loyalty to, Naruto are too strong. She simply couldn't choose someone else knowing how he feels. Not now. That's why SS is dead. Sakura has been systematically painted into an emotional corner, and the epiphany that Naruto is everything to her is the only thing that can bring her joy now.


I have to go with zacrathedemon5 on this. I am honestly not interested in Hinata's issues.

P.S. Another thing about Kakashi that drives me crazy? What awakened his Mangekyo? WHAT????

I agree with everything in this post.