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#19521 Atheck

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Posted 08 May 2015 - 06:20 PM

You're just copying and pasting everything :confused:


Because the same questions and statements are being constantly brought up, and I feel that what I've gone into detail about previously already covers it. I'm intent on deleting any further rehashes made, however.
 

The point of the byakugou/ creation rebirth is that it's the epitome of cell regenaration its not only "healing", as such it would be theoretically possible for limbs, internal organs, et to grow back with enough chakra


Certain organs can't be replicated on a cellular level such as the brain and to a lesser extent the heart. To replace lost tissue material would require a certain amount as a baseline. It's not just one cell spawns an entire pancreas or bladder. Science, even if it's in a pseudo exaggerated form, is still being applied to the mechanics of that technique.

Byakugou and senjutsu both were cast aside for alternative prosthetics in spite of the easiness for those limbs to spawn back by your logic. Unless you can give clear-cut examples of those techniques regenerating limbs, don't continue to repeat this.
 

Kaguya is a mix of everything, she is pratically a goddess


Kaguya's power is entirely derived from the Shinju. The bijuu are a part of her, which means their own unique abilities would apply to her humanoid compressed form too. But everything that was invented afterwards like Hiraishin, Edo Tensei, and Rasengan shouldn't be inherently known to her unless she can copy them with her doujutsu.
 

Growing again would wast a lot of chakra, it could be argued he did so as the juubi jinchuriki because he had a lot of chakra to be used.


This is Senju Hashirama's power - the man with reserves of chakra on level with the full Kyuubi - chakra should be no concern at all. And Tsunade had ample time to regain her strength. There's no conflict, no emergencies during the following months post-war... She's capable of quickly regaining her strength through eating food. Tsunade proved that by gaining back the full strength of her seal after exhausting it in the Pain arc. So tell me why it's necessary for her to needlessly safeguard chakra when there's nothing else going on at the time.
 

The SFX used "Shhhh" is the same effect of the creaion rebirth activation


A generalised sound affect doesn't mean it's exclusive to Byakugou. Using this logic, the sizzling smoke effect from Byakugou should be a unique permutation, but it's not. The methdology and affects in Byakugou and Mystical Palm are the same.
 

Yeah

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fire (1), updraft (2), strong gusty winds (3) (A) pyrocumulonimbus cloud.

"On the 18 of January 2003, a supercell thunderstorm formed from a pyrocumulonimbus cloud associated with a severe wildfire, during the 2003 Canberra bushfires in Canberra, Australia. The supercell resulted in a huge fire tornado, rated at EF2 on the fujita scale, the first confirmed violent fire tornado. The tornado and associated fire killed 4 people and injured 492."


I stand corrected here. Meteorology isn't exactly my strongest subject. Regardless, Kirin should still be achievable for Sasuke. He mentioned to Deidara how it was an option for him if the bombs couldn't be neutralised. Sasuke had no indirect assistance from surrounding infernos when battling Deidara so he must have felt confident enough that climatic conditions could be shifted enough by himself alone for Kirin. Why would he learn the technique in the first place if it was only circumstantially usable?

Other option

 

As I said if Sasuke was intelligent he would remain at distance and summon snakes, either way the regenaration of the creation rebirth and relenteless super powered attacks could prove to be too much for him, one mistake and he is dead


Why would he use snakes? They're easily killable. Sasuke dispatched with a medium sized one back in the Forest of Death with nothing but shuriken and kunai. All of them except Manda are fodder.

Neither one is going to land any attacks without first wearing Sasuke down. He'll have Kusanagi ran through their bodies before they can do anything. Mutilate their bodies, and if they're still alive, impale their brains. Any substantial damage caused to essential organs like the heart should kill them also. Even if he took a hit, you're overlooking the Oral Rebirth ability. With CS2, he should be able to at least block Tsunade's strikes. They resisted a massive explosive by Deidara's C2 dragon, after all.
 

The only one here wanting to give someone a fighting chance no matter how baseless it may be is you


I've gone into detail about Sasuke's feats, Tsunade's feats, and Sakura's, but you continue to mostly ignore them. It's time that you provide something instead of half-assing with single sentence comments about me being wrong.
 

Every fight isn't resolved with speed or diversity in the skillset, if that was how it was Sasuke would've won every single of his fights


No, but generally his opponents had some means to counter him.

Orochimaru? He was weakened from bodily resistance, but at full strength it's confirmed that he would have won.

Deidara? A combination of impressive speed and long range aerial combat that allowed him to be outside of range of practically every technique in Hebi Sasuke's arsenal.

Itachi? Most of his stats, techniques, and feats were already greater than Sasuke's to begin with.

Killer Bee? Used an unorthodox fighting style that made it difficult to follow his movements with the Sharingan. He was also capable of channeling Raiton into his sword to counter Sasuke's and use his bijuu to dispel genjutsu.

Raikage? Amazing durability, speed, and Raiton shroud. It also helps that Sasuke's MS abilities weren't fully developed.
 

In fact Taka!Sasuke ( who is stronger than Hebi!Sasuke) was still struggling to defeat the Kages during the Kage summit


Yes, because he was fighting them and their guards back-to-back with no rest in between. No character alive at that point could take on all five Kages simultaneously. Individually? Sasuke could probably handle Mei and Gaara is arguable, but all four there one after the other?

Judging Sasuke on account of him being in trouble against the Kages is hardly fair. It took someone of Madara's calibre to defeat them all.
 

No, In close quarters, Sasuke would've been decimated, one mistake, one open guard and a punch would be able to disable him


*sigh*

Any feats to prove your claim besides linear heavy punches with little ability to shift their legwork and adjust themselves to Sasuke's dynamic style? I swear it's like your comments are becoming more and more single-minded with no evidence offered to clarify your stance.

Sasuke's mistakes in taijutsu have mostly been derived from underestimated his opponent.

 

Well, wren't you the one who used only "feats" ? Sasuke used the Kirin only onve and he specifically said he uses it when heis chakra is low and ha has no other method


Yes, and Katsuyu is only ever used for healing or when other boss-sized summonings have been released. This battle concerns Hebi Sasuke who was perfectly willing to use Kirin in three out of four of the notable fights/skirmishes that he was in, one of which he was at full strength.

Is there a citation anywhere from Sasuke where he states that Kirin is only used when his chakra is low?
 

It also isn't a sure fire kill attack


It's confirmed to travel faster than the speed of sound, more precisely a thousandth of a second. They're not dodging it no matter what and they're certainly not tanking something that can obliterate a mountain.
 

So much wank, you're almost a second kishimoto. Sasuke is versatile but his endurance, strenght and chakra reserves aren't that much.


Sasuke has the most amount of fights in the series except Naruto. His resume as a shinobi and ability list is one of the largest in the series. Check the wikia if you don't believe me. He's one of the few characters who uses all schools of combat, actively employs several different elements, and is capable of using kenjutsu. His strength is above average, about on-par with Base Naruto's. His CS2 durability allowed him to shrug off a 1TK strike from Naruto at VotE and survive CS2 with just one wing lost. Chakra reserves? Decent enough. They're average to maybe somewhat above average at this time due to Orochimaru's essence.

The point is - Sasuke knows how to make the best of what he has. I don't like his character personally, but I'm not going to deny his feats.
 

As I said if he tried to bring the fight with Tsunade to close quarters he would've died, his only chance would be to stay at distance summon snakes, and attcking from there


Can we please receive some evidence on how she intends to counter every single panel of taijutsu manoeuvre that's been accomplished by Sasuke?
 

Doesn't change that Taka!Sasuke is stronger than Hebi!SAsuke and was still pwned by the Kages


The Kage Summit benchmark is one that only a scarce few could meet. No one besides a Juubi jichuuriki, KSM Naruto, EMS Sasuke (perfected Susnaoo), Hashirama, Madara,8th gate Guy, and possibly Edo Minato w/ Kurama is going to defeat them.
 

...I'm sorry but are you trying to compare Part 1 Sasuke taijutsu to that of a Kage level ninja?


The strongest person in the world was a Genin up until the epilogue. Iruka is arguably inferior to the Rookies after the Chunin Exams, mostly due to lack of feats. Shikamaru was the only one promoted to Chunin in Part 1 despite a number of other characters being stronger than him. Hiruzen from Part 1 is defeatable to some of the Rookies in early Part 2 despite being officially Kage.

Official military rank doesn't matter in fights, it's feats that are important.
 

Oh my god you are, Atheck, WTF is this...
Tsunade 's style is different than Sasuke's it's based on strenght and agility,

and surprise the opponent with a one-hit KO,


I'm not seeing the agility part (refer to my account on Tsunade's battles for evidence) and the strength segment is pointless if you're unable to land the strikes, which considering her feats, is not going to happen against Hebi Sasuke for awhile until his stamina has been exhausted.

Well, the "one-hit KO" aspect isn't entirely true, neither. Oral Rebirth should allow him to escape. Were CS2 on the table, his wings should be able to resist an attack.
 

and then on the ability to tank everything


Tsunade was thrown back into the air by a punch from Base Kabuto. She's easily susceptible to Sasuke's kenjutsu or anything else tailor-made for cutting apart the enemy.
 

even Naruto's brawler style was able to mach him at the end of part 1.


They only engaged in basic taijutsu twice, and the exchanges were very brief.

First time - they locked fists followed up by Sasuke attempting an upper kick from the side that prompted Naruto to back off. Massive clone spam ensues where Sasuke elegantly contends with at first before being kicked by several into the air, then he blocked the Naruto Rendan before it could be fully executed.

Second time at the Valley of the End - locking fists for a second time. Sasuke uses the momentum of gravity to descend while snatching weapons from Naruto's bag. Naruto extracts some of his own and they throw them simultaneously at each other, which causes a stalemate. But not before Sasuke lands a handstand kick on Naruto.

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Posted 08 May 2015 - 06:21 PM

The fact that Tsunade herself is the one that listed the rules of medic nin of which dodging and evasion were key components are not enough for you? Sotty but...are you stupid enought to think that Tsunade would list something like that without having ample knowledge of the subject?


We're not talking about some generalised codified system. Each and every person is unique with their own distinctive skillset and physical attributes. You judge them based on their individual merits and accomplishments. 

Yamato had to save Sakura


Yamato was the only one who wasn't completely helpless against Sasuke. I said that he had a difficult time following him, not that Sasuke was completely untraceable to him.
 

Regeneration happened on screen but you keep brushing it off


The reconstruction of spinal cords happened. We don't understand what the specific damage caused to Tsunade's internal organs within her midsection was like, or if anything was spilled out. Reconstituting certain organs requires greater tissue amount than others, and as I specifically noted above, the healing elements in Naruto follows at least an exaggerated pseudo-form of real world science.
 

Taka!Sasuke >Hebi!Sasuke
TK!Sasuke was still pwned by the kages


The benchmark is only achievable by the top tier characters. I don't begrudge a Sasuke who had yet to master his new abilities for coming up short against characters with unique abilities to counter his speed/Amaterasu. Tobirama, 2nd Mizukage, and arguably Obito without bijuu would fail in a bout against them.
 

Sword wouldn't help that much if what Orochimaru did was any idea (constant regeneration),


Tsunade wasn't active in any restorative state of being when those injuries were inflicted. Those wounds were still deep, and that was by a heavily weakened Orochimaru using the movement of his head to bring the blade down. Sasuke has use of his arms, and he can channel Raiton into the blade. He's at a much greater advantage.
 

his taijutsu power ( :lmao:, he would lose horribly if he tried to exchange blows),


Blocking the hits? Yes, it's ill-advised to block, barring any intermission from CS2 wings or Oral Rebirth. Parrying and dodging while dealing sequential attacks with his arms and legs? That should be possible for Sasuke.
 

katons also wouldn't help,


I have to agree here since Katon is generally ineffective.
 

raitons?


Raiton is uniquely made for penetrative type damage, and Tsunade doesn't have Raikage's shroud or durability. Her organs and limbs are destructible by Sasuke's various Raiton jutsu like Chidori Spear, Chidori Katana, and regular Chidori.
 

Maybe the kirin would be useful if he managed to use all of his power,besides if Tsunade survived he would be dead, summoning? Tsunade has that too, anf the snail beats the snake


Kirin literally obliterated an entire mountain. Both Tsuande and her summoning would be killed in the blast. Katsuyu was originally outmanoeuvred by Manda in their only encounter during the manga. If she wins, it will be through using her acid to burn through Manda's body.
 

Hebi!Sasuke would lose to Kakashi, Guy in gate form and Tsunade (they're all kage level)
He wouldn't probably even pick fights with them anyway


Sasuke wouldn't pick a fight with Kakashi or Tsunade, yet he goes into battle with Deidara and Itachi, fully aware that they're S-rank criminals with amazing power, the latter of which left Kakashi in a coma?

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Posted 08 May 2015 - 06:21 PM

A fight in which he had plot help, and Deidara's own major weakness at his use. Yet Deidara still gave him trouble


You know what? I've spent the past 15 hours typing this rebuttal. This may seem hypocritical, but I'm not going to post a completely new counterargument for the same question that was brought up in a previous segment.

"The electric properties of Raiton certainly played an integral role in Sasuke's strategy, as did his Sharingan in discerning where they were located, but there were still the issues of getting close to Deidara who was airborne, avoiding the bombs as they came, and tricking Deidara into believing that he was dead with genjutsu. Let's not overlook Sasuke tanking a huge explosion from an explosive missile with only a wing destroyed. He was so fast that Deidara admitted he couldn't keep up and needed to resort to his C2 dragon."
 

Itachi could've killed Sasuke anywhere he wanted but no, he wanted to die and he was ill above all
Put healthy!Itachi with the intent to kill inthe fight and Sasuke is toast


This is the same debate question from before. I'll post my earlier retort for it.

"I agree, Itachi would have won more easily than he did, but not without some difficulty in the process. Keep in mind - Sasuke didn't have CS2 fully active throughout the entire fight. In fact, the only times he used it were to break Tsukuyomi and when he was angry at Itachi for having survived Kirin. In that clash of fire attacks, I can see CS2 Sasuke stalemating healthy Itachi."
 

More like heightened speed, flight and another variation of the chidori, I doubt it would change that much. It's kinda comparable with the one tailed fox form without super healing


Natural energy was stated to enhance all physical stats and jutsu power. Don't cherry-pick which attributes are enhanced over others because we know for certain what is amplified.

The one tailed chakra state was distributed to everyone in the Alliance, and Kakashi referenced to Shukaku that it was a 3x increase multiplied according his base. Itachi may be more skilled, but he's not 3x more superior than his brother.
 

Hebi!Sasuke wouldn't be able to bring down anyone on Kage tier in a fair fight


Can you elaborate? Because all I'm hearing are quips spawned from a prejudiced user who didn't completely think his responce through. Give specific reasons why you think shinobi in the lower spectrum such as Konan would win and don't try to assign your blanket standards of supremacy without having thoroughly examined Sasuke's opponent's general skillset.

The tier of Kage covers a wide array of characters ranging from Konan, Hirzuen and Tsunade in the lower bracket to middle tier like Kisame, Orochimaru and Kakuzu, followed by the high tier Kage characters like Obito and Pain.
 

Taka!Sasuke would've been able if he managed to hit Amaterasu and keep spamming it


MS Sasuke was in a disadvantageous position from the get-go due to Raikage's defences, speed, and techniques being a near-perfect counter for Sasuke. He might have won against Mei were he at full strength. Give him the more advanced stages of Susanoo used on Danzo and he wins against Gaara and possibly Raikage depending on whether he can actually hit him.
 

The problem with on screen feats is because of course MC are going to get expanded a lot and their fights will be priority, some other characters will even have their fights off-screen'ed, so it's unreliable as hell to match up characters by the feats and not by their given power level, abilities, techiniques and characterisitcs in a fight


All of those attributes are being factored in. There's no great method to equalise their screen time and it's obvious that Sasuke, as a deuteragonist, will be the more prominent character. That doesn't mean you can behind "theoreticals" in a match-up that's determined hard evidentiary proof from the characters' battles in-manga. No one expects Baki to have the same on-panel consideration as Naruto, but they still judge him on account of his feats and, for many, his stats.

If you want open verbal admission, Tsunade confessed that Part 1 Base Kabuto's senses and fighting ability may be greater than her own during her prime. No one has any better understanding of what Tsunade is capable of than herself, yet she felt impressed enough by Kabuto to cite him as a potential rival to her strongest incarnation. Sasuke was intimidating that same Kabuto during Part 1.
 

For Naruto to be able to regrow his arm he would have to learn the byakugou itself,because while the byakugou user can heal and dispatch chakra to another person they can't implant the effects of the byakugou onto them, this would require Naruto to work out a big capacity of chakra control for his enourmous chakra and would probably be useless for him since he already has healing effects from the kyuubi


It's proven in-manga that the Byakugou, at least the markings, are transferrable when Sakura was with Obito in the pocket dimensions. Conceptually, it should be similar to the Remote Healing technique, except with Byakugou level potency instead of Mystical Palm. If only the chakra was being transferred then the markings should have appeared on Onoki's person as well. A portion of his arms were still visible under the fishnet of his torn clothing

But to rely on "hypotheticals" for evidence would be hypocritical, so this won't be argued.
 

And no matter Naruto's chakra capacity, I think if it happened the restoration would still leave him hanging near chakra exhaustion, however what begs the wuestion is that somehow he was able to bring Kakashi eye back, why didn't he used his god powers to bring his arms back?


Naruto lost his marking, but he still has the partial energies of 8 bijuu at his disposal, not counting the Kyuubi since he's resting. The chakra of a clone was enough to partially fuel Obito's Kamui into Kaguya's realms. Power supply should no issue. If spawning limbs is so taxing that bijuu level chakra is incapable of restoring them it's a pointless ability.

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Posted 08 May 2015 - 06:22 PM

So, Sasuke was good guy~ Huh.  :zaru:

 

Was he ? Isn't Naruto the only one that sees Sakura as Sakura ? And Quasimodo would be Lee .


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Posted 08 May 2015 - 06:24 PM

 
Was he ? Isn't Naruto the only one that sees Sakura as Sakura ? And Quasimodo would be Lee .

Everyone is a good guy. No grey or dark character. Just light.

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Posted 08 May 2015 - 06:29 PM

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Posted 08 May 2015 - 06:29 PM

Everyone is a good guy. No grey or dark character. Just light.

 

Don't forget that Sasuke is neither , he is just pure ( it always cracks me up reading that  :lulz:  )


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Posted 08 May 2015 - 06:42 PM

 
Don't forget that Sasuke is neither , he is just pure ( it always cracks me up reading that  :lulz:  )

Yeah, that couldn't be any less true.

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Posted 08 May 2015 - 06:47 PM

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I had the same reaction.


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Posted 08 May 2015 - 06:54 PM

 
Was he ? Isn't Naruto the only one that sees Sakura as Sakura ? And Quasimodo would be Lee .


Quasimodo, what the hell? XD

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Posted 08 May 2015 - 07:50 PM

I was using the post more about the fanbase than the actual characters. nH/ss fans either like nH/SS cause they like to fantasize  about thwe great sex they have (ss) or want them to get together because they worship one and think the other is a prize or both (nH).



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Posted 08 May 2015 - 07:51 PM

Three weeks left for CPR scene.

Your final episode.

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Posted 08 May 2015 - 08:41 PM

Three weeks left for CPR scene.

Your final episode.


No the final FINAL episode is when Sasuke stabs Sakura hehehehe. Still waiting for that delicious moment to use for my AMV.

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Posted 08 May 2015 - 08:43 PM

Oh my god! it fits her so perfectly!! :rawr: I second this! That must be Sarada's theme. I wanna to propose to Studio pierrot to play it as soundtrack each time Sarada appears.

:hehehe: *waggles eyebrows* isn't it?  :kukuku:

 

Poor little nugget tho. I feel sorry for her. 

 

Still.....can't wait for the AMVs that MUST be done.

 

 

 

:lmao:. Thanks for sharing. I just posted the lyrics over at the anti-SS fanclub on NF.

 

Oh Tiller you amazing evil mastermind you.  :lmao:

I can't stop laughing  :lmao:  :lmao:


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Posted 08 May 2015 - 09:04 PM

Sasuke = worst best friend.
Sakura = worst love interest.
Naruto = worst main character.
Can't blame people for hating the show.

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Posted 08 May 2015 - 09:16 PM

:argh: 

 

Oh...I will  answer that later....


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Posted 08 May 2015 - 09:40 PM

Sasuke = worst best friend.
Sakura = worst love interest.
Naruto = worst main character.
Can't blame people for hating the show.

The series is very hateable.

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Posted 08 May 2015 - 09:52 PM

The series is very hateable.


Also, worst plot. Just about some guy who wants to be ruler of his village so everyone can kiss his ass. How shallow.

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Posted 08 May 2015 - 10:03 PM

Don't forget worst writer in Kishimoto.

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Posted 08 May 2015 - 10:07 PM

Don't forget worst writer in Kishimoto.


Worst child is Bolt. Gotta hate that mushroom hair. Worst wedding is NH. Worst movie the Last.





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