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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

What do you mean? That she was happy with Kakashi? I don't think they had a relationship or anything. And weren't you theorizing that maybe Rin chose death because of Obito in some way?

No that she was selfish when it comes to Kakashi.
On Kakashi gaiden it's shown her like this even she confessed to him despite Kakashi saying that Obito loved her, and saying i was once a kind of trash that would abandon you and ends up with her looking at the sky mostly looking like she was the one who was most struggling due to Obito's death.
I believe that Rin chose her death to protect the leaf but i'm saying is if she really loved Kakashi like before she would not have made the choice to die.

Then let me ask you why after all of this, why even after Kakashi saying he was a trash that tried to abandon her, why on earth would she kept loving him?
It was Obito who said that because obviously he has the same mindset of Naruto.

Because if she really kept loving him after all this then i dont know what would made Sakura not love Sasuke anymore.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2013 - 10:52 PM.

[Chatte]

So Sakura is the 4th chakra. Funny enough it's true. Everything associated with the 4th chakra can be found in her character. Now I wonder which one is Naruto. 5th or 6th? I have to do some research.

[sushi.]

No that she was selfish when it comes to Kakashi.
On Kakashi gaiden it's shown her like this even she confessed to him despite Kakashi saying that Obito loved her, and saying i was once a kind of trash that would abandon you and ends up with her looking at the sky mostly looking like she was the one who was most struggling due to Obito's death.
I believe that Rin chose her death to protect the leaf but i'm saying is if she really loved Kakashi like before she would have been chosen not to die.

Then let me ask you why after all of this, why even after Kakashi saying he was a trash that tried to abandon her, why on earth would she kept loving him?
It was Obito who said that because obviously he has the same mindset of Naruto.

Because if she really kept loving him after all this then i dont know what would made Sakura not love Sasuke anymore.

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I don't know if she loved Kakashi til the end, but Rin chose to die because her village was more important than her feelings.
And to your question, there is a fine line between abandoning someone and trying to kill them, insulting them in every possible way etc.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

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I don't know if she loved Kakashi til the end, but Rin chose to die because her village was more important than her feelings.
And to your question, there is a fine line between abandoning someone and trying to kill them, insulting them in every possible way etc.

The fact is that she put her own feelings above everything else, Kishimoto despicted her feelings for Kakashi as selfish like Sakura's with Sasuke, she even confessed to Kakashi despite him saying that Obito loved her, and then he rejects and tells her that he was a trash who tried to abandon her basically the same possible effect as "540".

It's basically the same thing, Kakashi was a carbon copy of Sasuke which he even confirms that parallel back then on part 1.
If despite all that if she kept loving him then i dont know what would make her not love Sasuke anymore.

Then she comes back and she is suddenly selfless, also the lack of parting words to Kakashi and moreover no romantic interaction to confirm Obito's statement then there's something wrong.

also about killing or insulting, Kakashi did worse he betrayed her trust and also left her to her own luck with her kidnappers.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2013 - 11:07 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So Sakura is the 4th chakra. Funny enough it's true. Everything associated with the 4th chakra can be found in her character. Now I wonder which one is Naruto. 5th or 6th? I have to do some research.

Wow, that was a great read. I highly agree about the snow because really, there's no reason for that place to snow as in it doesn't add anything. For example, in One Piece, they tried to make the environment into their advantage as it is relevant to their quest. That said snow was an excuse for that scene. I mean even Sasuke's fight didn't take place there. Also, in different anime/manga, they tend to draw out snow on purpose. Like one time, it was just cold. Then as soon as they leave, it starts snowing. What a coincidence because that was the protagonist's moment to confess.

Anyway, the whole 4th seems very coincidence but perhaps that person is right. That person is right about how the last confession is like the most talk about, because it's how it was handled that created a whole dilemma. It's one that doesn't have a conclusion and begs for a conclusion/result. Hinata got hers with strong will, completely dismissed love, though not like Hinata asked for it, it's more like just want to let you know. Sasuke already answered. Lee got his answered. Naruto/Sakura is in pending and what's worse for haters is that Naruto still got to do his and knowing him with speech and stuff, it's doomsday. Thanks for sharing.

[redragon88]

I wonder if we'll find out more about Rin.

It still believe that she's essential in order to redeem Obito, it's the same way with Sasuke and Itachi. It all started with Rin so it has to end with Rin.

I still insist that Kakashi being surprised when Obito said that Rin chose to die at the hands of who she loved is a clue regarding more development. It's as if Kakashi was thinking "No, that's not how it is at all".

[Chatte]

Wow, that was a great read. I highly agree about the snow because really, there's no reason for that place to snow as in it doesn't add anything. For example, in One Piece, they tried to make the environment into their advantage as it is relevant to their quest. That said snow was an excuse for that scene. I mean even Sasuke's fight didn't take place there. Also, in different anime/manga, they tend to draw out snow on purpose. Like one time, it was just cold. Then as soon as they leave, it starts snowing. What a coincidence because that was the protagonist's moment to confess.

Anyway, the whole 4th seems very coincidence but perhaps that person is right. That person is right about how the last confession is like the most talk about, because it's how it was handled that created a whole dilemma. It's one that doesn't have a conclusion and begs for a conclusion/result. Hinata got hers with strong will, completely dismissed love, though not like Hinata asked for it, it's more like just want to let you know. Sasuke already answered. Lee got his answered. Naruto/Sakura is in pending and what's worse for haters is that Naruto still got to do his and knowing him with speech and stuff, it's doomsday. Thanks for sharing.

Exactly. The others are in a place where it's not snowing, be it Konoha or Kiri yet, where Naruto is, snows. Coincidence much? Not to mention it is said that it's the season bringing people together, closer because of the cold weather meaning, Naruto is bringing Sakura more close to him. No wonder Kishi chose to say close...

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I wonder if we'll find out more about Rin.

It still believe that she's essential in order to redeem Obito, it's the same way with Sasuke and Itachi. It all started with Rin so it has to end with Rin.

I still insist that Kakashi being surprised when Obito said that Rin chose to die at the hands of who she loved is a clue regarding more development. It's as if Kakashi was thinking "No, that's not how it is at all".

I felt the same, he didnt knew that Kakashi told rin about his feelings, we saw the same set-up Rin/Sakura ended up knowing that Obito/naruto loved them, 300 chapters back Rin had the "540" stuff 300 chapters before Sakura, and guess it's the same lesson.
Because if she really does love Kakashi then it's bad for her and NaruSaku because Kakashi pretty much told that for her to move on.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I wonder if we'll find out more about Rin.

It still believe that she's essential in order to redeem Obito, it's the same way with Sasuke and Itachi. It all started with Rin so it has to end with Rin.

I still insist that Kakashi being surprised when Obito said that Rin chose to die at the hands of who she loved is a clue regarding more development. It's as if Kakashi was thinking "No, that's not how it is at all".

Well I do believe Rin will be brought back again. The topic, not actually her. I do think Obito is on the road of TnJ in the latest chapter, though I believe Naruto will confront him one last time so Kakasahi can have a backup to his claim. Think as in court. You got the defendant and a lawyer. I guess we have to see if the fight will go on long or something else will happen in the next chapter.

Exactly. The others are in a place where it's not snowing, be it Konoha or Kiri yet, where Naruto is, snows. Coincidence much? Not to mention it is said that it's the season bringing people together, closer because of the cold weather meaning, Naruto is bringing Sakura more close to him. No wonder Kishi chose to say close...

Exactly. Whether the confession is a success or not, these two will get together eventually, one way or another. The point is that snow is where relationship drama gets serious. I mean what confession ends with a cliffhanger.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Well I do believe Rin will be brought back again. The topic, not actually her. I do think Obito is on the road of TnJ in the latest chapter, though I believe Naruto will confront him one last time so Kakasahi can have a backup to his claim. Think as in court. You got the defendant and a lawyer. I guess we have to see if the fight will go on long or something else will happen in the next chapter.

Yep me too, he told her that Obito loved her and also give the same lesson to Rin the lesson that the lover-nin give to Sakura, then later it shows how Kakashi knew about Obito's love interest on Rin.
I think Kakashi might pull that out and tells him about that.
If Kakashi tells him that Rin loved him on the end probably he would drop the nonsense about fakes, the fact the "heart" is missing could also mean he's heartbroken due to her death, like his heart is dead.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2013 - 11:48 PM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I kinda hate this whole "Confession: Selfless vs. Selfish" argument regarding Sakura and NaruSaku. I'm just so conflicted over it. It's very hard for me to easily label Sakura "selfish" in the Kage Summit. I mean, yes it's true killing Sasuke and confessing to Naruto when she was far from ready is something he didn't want at all. It went against his wishes for sure. But how can it easily be "selfish" when she was having a personal sacrifice out of it? Killing Sasuke, the person she's confirmed to love, so Naruto could stop risking his life isn't something she's really getting anything out of it. Sai said so himself. If she killed him, Naruto was likely to hate her for it. Or at least that's what Sakura believed.

It's just ... usually selfish means doing something for your own safety and personal feelings. Who cares about the other person, only you matter. But if you thought you were doing the right thing for them and your only concern was the other person then calling it "selfish" seems too simple. It's more complicated than that. I guess "good-intentioned selfishness" is an apt way to describe it.

I've been in this situation before with another OTP from another fandom. The guy side of the ship would make some decisions for the girl side of the ship out of love: either preserving her safety, thinking she deserved something better, trying not hurt them so he either omitted or lied about some things. Naturally, the girl often disagreed with it and argued differently. Yet, just like Sakura in her confession, he had the best intentions for the person he loved/cared for and more than once had some personal sacrifice in it. I think I'm noticing a complicated pattern in my ships.

It's just ... ugh! Is it wrong to not completely condemn Sakura for what she did in the Kage Summit when she was only trying to protect Naruto? I'm not saying what she did was right, but she had a sacrifice in it. And that's the part I sympathize with and admire her for.

Sorry if this is off-topic. I was just suddenly thinking about this again and wanted to share it.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 11 May 2013 - 11:51 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I kinda hate this whole "Confession: Selfless vs. Selfish" argument regarding Sakura and NaruSaku. I'm just so conflicted over it. It's very hard for me to easily label Sakura "selfish" in the Kage Summit. I mean, yes it's true killing Sasuke and confessing to Naruto when she was far from ready is something he didn't want at all. It went against his wishes for sure. But how can it easily be "selfish" when she was having a personal sacrifice out of it? Killing Sasuke, the person she's confirmed to love, so Naruto could stop risking his life isn't something she's really getting anything out of it. Sai said so himself. If she killed him, Naruto was likely to hate her for it. Or at least that's what Sakura believed.

It's just ... usually selfish means doing something for your own safety and personal feelings. Who cares about the other person, only you matter. But if you thought you were doing the right thing for them and your only concern was the other person then calling it "selfish" seems too simple. It's more complicated than that. I guess "good-intentioned selfishness" is an apt way to describe it.

I've been in this situation before with another OTP from another fandom. The guy side of the ship would make some decisions for the girl side of the ship out of love: either preserving her safety, thinking she deserved something better, trying not hurt them so he either omitted or lied about some things. Naturally, the girl often disagreed with it and argued differently. Yet, just like Sakura in her confession, he had the best intentions for the person he loved/cared for and more than once had some personal sacrifice in it. I think I'm noticing a complicated pattern in my ships.

It's just ... ugh! Is it wrong to not completely condemn Sakura for what she did in the Kage Summit when she was only trying to protect Naruto? I'm not saying what she did was right, but she had a sacrifice in it. And that's the part I sympathize and admire her for.

Sorry if this is off-topic. I was just suddenly thinking about this again and wanted to share it.

This is the problem she was doing that for what reason?
Herself, not the village, not Naruto, not Sasuke but herself and to end her own suffering pratically( the part where she arrive on Sasuke's place to not mislead), later she cant kill him due to her own feelings she didnt thought about the danger that Sasuke posed against the village or about the possibility of Naruto getting hurt or even her friends dying, it didnt even crossed her mind her flashbacks only stated her own feelings and because of that she could not kill Sasuke, it's selfish.
She put the others to sleep it was also selfish and all of this driven for her need to resolve everything by herself.

and all this connected with her feelings for Sasuke it' more than proved that she's selfish when it comes to Sasuke.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2013 - 11:59 PM.

[Arachnia]

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I don't know if she loved Kakashi til the end, but Rin chose to die because her village was more important than her feelings.
And to your question, there is a fine line between abandoning someone and trying to kill them, insulting them in every possible way etc.

The way i see it Rin died with same believes as Young obito (the will of fire) protect your friends/village mabey a small thing she learned from obito after hes death same for kakashi do i think she loved obito i dont think it will go that far exept if TNJ is in order for obito and even then its a big mabey.

but who knows i see alot of obirin fans out there, but i for 1 always believe the way this is set is a huge factor for if narusaku will happen or not but thats just me

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

This is the problem she was doing that for what reason?
Herself, not the village, not Naruto, not Sasuke but herself and to end her own suffering pratically( the part where she arrive on Sasuke's place to not mislead), later she cant kill him due to her own feelings she didnt thought about the danger that Sasuke posed against the village or about the possibility of Naruto getting hurt or even her friends dying, it didnt even crossed her mind her flashbacks only stated her own feelings and because of that she could not kill Sasuke, it's selfish.
She put the others to sleep it was also selfish and all of this driven for her need to resolve everything by herself.

and all this connected with her feelings for Sasuke it' more than proved that she's selfish when it comes to Sasuke.

You have a point there. It was selfish of Sakura to try and do everything on her own as well as failing to kill Sasuke because of her own feelings for him. I understand how she felt and I'm not hating on her for it, but it's disappointing. The Kage Summit just proved more and more that Sakura's biggest weakness right now beside her inferiority complex (not deserving Naruto and stuff like that) is her love for Sasuke. I can't believe SS/NH fans don't see that this will obviously be resolved at in the end for her character to come full circle in development. Seriously, it's like common sense. If they expect Hinata to fix her conflict (lacking of confidence and wanting acceptance from Naruto) as well as Sasuke's (forgetting redemption, accepting Naruto's friendship) and Naruto's (overly self-sacrificing complex, doing everything on his own, hiding his true feelings behind smiles etc.) then why is Sakura a different matter entirely? Kishi said it himself that her love is selfish and the series alone proves it brings her down.

I'm serious. It's obvious she'll overcome that and fall in love with Naruto.

Though I was mostly referring to Sakura making the decision for Naruto that Sasuke needed to die for his sake earlier on, even if it's that's the last thing he wanted. And if that should be considered selfish with no sugercoating even though she thought she was doing it for his benefit.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 12 May 2013 - 12:11 AM.

[Shadow1275]

No that she was selfish when it comes to Kakashi.
On Kakashi gaiden it's shown her like this even she confessed to him despite Kakashi saying that Obito loved her, and saying i was once a kind of trash that would abandon you and ends up with her looking at the sky mostly looking like she was the one who was most struggling due to Obito's death.
I believe that Rin chose her death to protect the leaf but i'm saying is if she really loved Kakashi like before she would not have made the choice to die.

Then let me ask you why after all of this, why even after Kakashi saying he was a trash that tried to abandon her, why on earth would she kept loving him?
It was Obito who said that because obviously he has the same mindset of Naruto.

Because if she really kept loving him after all this then i dont know what would made Sakura not love Sasuke anymore.

Perhaps, but parallel doesn't necessarily mean exact copy. Besides, its already been established that KAkashi and Sasuke have more differences than similarites. When Kakashi taught Sasuke how to do the Chidori, he said that Sasuke was like him. However, after Kakashi lectured him on not leaving the village bc of their comrades, Sasuke basically tossed that aside when he cut his bonds to all of his comrades except for Naruto.

Same with Sakura. Sure she is a parallel of Rin, but she is also different. Her personality is a lot more combative and impulsive than Rin's ever was. Sakura also is a better fighter than Rin who was strictly a medical ninja.

Besides, we don't know for sure whether Rin loved Kakashi or whether she just had a crush on him. Really the love -triangle's purpose is to give Obito a reason to hate the world.

Besides, Naruto resembles Obito and Kakashi more than any other character. Obito's similarities to Naruto are obvious, but so are Kakashi's. For example, Kakashi rejects Rin because he does not feel worthy to be with her. Naruto specifically tells Sai that he does not feel worthy of Sakura because he has not fulfilled his promise yet. Then we have bonds. In the beginning, both Kakashi and Naruto do not feel that they need teamwork to grow stronger. But who has cherished Obito's lesson on teamwork? Kakashi and Naruto are the ones' who take this lesson to heart.

[KnS]

Perhaps, but parallel doesn't necessarily mean exact copy. Besides, its already been established that KAkashi and Sasuke have more differences than similarites. When Kakashi taught Sasuke how to do the Chidori, he said that Sasuke was like him. However, after Kakashi lectured him on not leaving the village bc of their comrades, Sasuke basically tossed that aside when he cut his bonds to all of his comrades except for Naruto.

Same with Sakura. Sure she is a parallel of Rin, but she is also different. Her personality is a lot more combative and impulsive than Rin's ever was. Sakura also is a better fighter than Rin who was strictly a medical ninja.

Besides, we don't know for sure whether Rin loved Kakashi or whether she just had a crush on him. Really the love -triangle's purpose is to give Obito a reason to hate the world.

Besides, Naruto resembles Obito and Kakashi more than any other character. Obito's similarities to Naruto are obvious, but so are Kakashi's. For example, Kakashi rejects Rin because he does not feel worthy to be with her. Naruto specifically tells Sai that he does not feel worthy of Sakura because he has not fulfilled his promise yet. Then we have bonds. In the beginning, both Kakashi and Naruto do not feel that they need teamwork to grow stronger. But who has cherished Obito's lesson on teamwork? Kakashi and Naruto are the ones' who take this lesson to heart.

I agree. Especially with the part about Naruto having similarities with Kakashi as well as Obito.

And the parallels... yes, they're interesting, but not exact and they can't be used with any certainty to predict what's going to happen.

As for Rin, even if it turns out she always loved Kakashi and never loved Obito that has no bearing on NS. It could simply be that Sakura will fall in love with the teammate who loves her in time to change things -- where Rin and Tsunade did not.

And really, that's an element worth remembering... Jiraiya never captured the heart of the one he loved, and died without knowing she'd changed her mind. Obito never captured the heart of the one he loved, and "died" before knowing whether or not she might change her mind. Yahiko did capture the heart of the one he loved, but died anyway.

How likely is it that Naruto will never capture the heart of the one he loves, and be forced to live without her or die before she changes her mind?

Not very, I'd say.

[Inferno180]

Well that was a neat read chatte posted, only thing I cannot agree with is the placement of people in a panel, that just usually does not count for evidence either way.

Still if the difference in culture really is like that in japan, that's a lot more in our book.

But over the events of 469 and the reunion, it is confirmed that Sakura intended to do it selflessly for Naruto at the cost of her own. Makes no sense for Naruto to stay angry at her after she herself told him why she was worried and what Sai explained as well. As for 540, that still remains open with Sakura to possibly change.

It is just a good notion that many fans disregard Sakura to the point they don't think she will gain any type of change or development while saying everyone else will. Another flaw in their arguments.

Its still just a manner of Sakura overcoming her ideals of Sasuke. 540 as I see it is just holding a period of dramatic suspense. As kishi once did say, its best to believe the whole she says she loves Sasuke but Naruto is close to her heart. Maybe its a case of her saying one thing but her feelings say another.

Still aside from development, it could not all just go towards nothing in favor of something not as developed. Plus the biggest contradiction to the NH arguments when it comes to using the confession is this:

-they say Naruto gave up on Sakura and moved on or claim he never did love her (just as bad as Sasuke secretly loving Sakura all the time).

From this "giving up" argument, they completely undermine their entire NH philosophy in a few ways.
1. Naruto giving up on Sakura means if he settled out for Hinata, it would be pity, they just ignore how Naruto does not feel he can confess to Sakura because of the promise. How could Naruto feel good for anyone if he could not complete the issues with Sasuke or Sakura for that manner? No sasuke also equals no hokage, they always overlook this.
2. Why does Hinata love Naruto? Simple it was because she saw to never give up from him. Now Hinata idolizes Naruto, so what would happen if her idol actually gave up? What usually happens when idols do something to disappoint their followers? Think about Lance Armstrong and all who felt ashamed after his revelation, think about any of them. Hinata would be the same. Naruto giving up completely undermines their entire reason for NH.
3. Where exactly does Hinata fit in with team 7, specifically Sasuke? Until they can answer how well Hinata is tied in with Sasuke, nothing else is going to help their case, she cannot suddenly understand how Naruto or even Sakura feel about the situation with Sasuke. Hinata cannot suddenly have interaction with Sasuke and know everything at once, that is just what most expect to happen. Some just expect Naruto to dump Sasuke on Sakura and go over to Hinata, just make Naruto one delivery man, its not going to work like that unless they really want the story to be bad, but then again some do not care for the story, they only want some romance or pairing to come forward because they could care less. Many want NH to happen because they don't care for the story.

It does get funny how one reason advocated for an argument can undermine what they try to prove. Until NH has something of merit between Naruto and Hinata, I would not be backing it. NS at least has reasons we understand how important Sakura and Sasuke are to him because of this. Sakura has her share of stuff towards Naruto. Where did everything like this appear in the manga for Hinata towards Naruto? We only see it from Hinata towards Naruto, practically nothing from Naruto towards Hinata. Even then those reasons are short and evaporate. Many fans try to basically say how the stuff we see between Naruto and Sakura should just vanish yet it cannot just vanish. Its there for a reason, its the stuff between Naruto and Sakura that keeps coming back, not Naruto and Hinata.

[redragon88]

I agree. Especially with the part about Naruto having similarities with Kakashi as well as Obito.

And the parallels... yes, they're interesting, but not exact and they can't be used with any certainty to predict what's going to happen.

As for Rin, even if it turns out she always loved Kakashi and never loved Obito that has no bearing on NS. It could simply be that Sakura will fall in love with the teammate who loves her in time to change things -- where Rin and Tsunade did not.

And really, that's an element worth remembering... Jiraiya never captured the heart of the one he loved, and died without knowing she'd changed her mind. Obito never captured the heart of the one he loved, and "died" before knowing whether or not she might change her mind. Yahiko did capture the heart of the one he loved, but died anyway.

How likely is it that Naruto will never capture the heart of the one he loves, and be forced to live without her or die before she changes her mind?

Not very, I'd say.

He captured her heart in the end, but as you said he died before she ever had the chance to tell him. The only thing Tsunade could do afterwards was lean in a wall and cry for the death of her loved one, and just for a moment since she had responsibilities as Hokage. Pretty sad.

Screw you, Pain.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Perhaps, but parallel doesn't necessarily mean exact copy. Besides, its already been established that KAkashi and Sasuke have more differences than similarites. When Kakashi taught Sasuke how to do the Chidori, he said that Sasuke was like him. However, after Kakashi lectured him on not leaving the village bc of their comrades, Sasuke basically tossed that aside when he cut his bonds to all of his comrades except for Naruto.

Same with Sakura. Sure she is a parallel of Rin, but she is also different. Her personality is a lot more combative and impulsive than Rin's ever was. Sakura also is a better fighter than Rin who was strictly a medical ninja.

Besides, we don't know for sure whether Rin loved Kakashi or whether she just had a crush on him. Really the love -triangle's purpose is to give Obito a reason to hate the world.

Besides, Naruto resembles Obito and Kakashi more than any other character. Obito's similarities to Naruto are obvious, but so are Kakashi's. For example, Kakashi rejects Rin because he does not feel worthy to be with her. Naruto specifically tells Sai that he does not feel worthy of Sakura because he has not fulfilled his promise yet. Then we have bonds. In the beginning, both Kakashi and Naruto do not feel that they need teamwork to grow stronger. But who has cherished Obito's lesson on teamwork? Kakashi and Naruto are the ones' who take this lesson to heart.

Ofc it's not set-up of scenes were differently but some stuff happened exactly the same, like 540, Rin also had her 540 but the difference it's that she was rejected and Kakashi telling her that he tried to abandon her and it was Obito.

Obito suposedly died, Naruto dont.
Rin was strong too, she was a jinchuuriki later and died for the sake of her village, i belived she didnt loved Kakashi anymore because it must had a purpose on the fact of Kakashi telling her that Obito loved her and plus saying that she should not be in love with him because he's trash who tried to abandon ehr, this scene is clearly a parallel to Summit arc + 540 combined.( it's the same message and basically the same set-up) it was done to drives her to do a decision and the chapter ended with her looking at the sky thinking about Obito.

About Rin it was love, and it was clearly stated by Obito and even Kakashi, it has the same set-up, the same love, the same reason and along with it the very same selfishness.

also the last bolded, there's an enormous difference on that scene, he rejected for obvious reasons, he rejected because of Obito and most important he did tried to abandon her, he was a trash, it's not a matter of "i do not deserve her" but actually the inverse that "she deserved Obito" after all he've done to her.

Naruto felt that he doesnt deserve her for not keeping a promise but what Kakashi did was understandable, he doesnt loves Rin and also he tried to abandon her, would be cowardice for him to accept and he didnt had feelings for her.
Also for Kakashi there's no similarity with Naruto, Kakashi's dream is to make sure that Naruto succeed, he may have the will of fire but it's here that the comparison ends.
Kakashi resembles more Sasuke and Kakashi was deeply changed by Obito.

I agree. Especially with the part about Naruto having similarities with Kakashi as well as Obito.

And the parallels... yes, they're interesting, but not exact and they can't be used with any certainty to predict what's going to happen.

As for Rin, even if it turns out she always loved Kakashi and never loved Obito that has no bearing on NS. It could simply be that Sakura will fall in love with the teammate who loves her in time to change things -- where Rin and Tsunade did not.

And really, that's an element worth remembering... Jiraiya never captured the heart of the one he loved, and died without knowing she'd changed her mind. Obito never captured the heart of the one he loved, and "died" before knowing whether or not she might change her mind. Yahiko did capture the heart of the one he loved, but died anyway.

How likely is it that Naruto will never capture the heart of the one he loves, and be forced to live without her or die before she changes her mind?

Not very, I'd say.

He never but Tsunade was in love with someome else who wasnt even on his own team, it's a different kind of parallel but also served to show that Jiraiya never changed feelings, Tsunade never faced the same situations as Sakura.
It was more a parallel to Naruto than NaruSaku.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 12 May 2013 - 12:58 AM.

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He captured her heart in the end, but as you said he died before she ever had the chance to tell him. The only thing Tsunade could do afterwards was lean in a wall and cry for the death of her loved one, and just for a moment since she had responsibilities as Hokage. Pretty sad.

Agreed. My point was simply that when they were young, Jiraiya's affections were not returned and he lived his life without the one he loved. By the time Tsunade could return his feelings it was too late. I don't think that's going to happen with Naruto and Sakura.

Screw you, Pain.

Yes. Jiraiya's death at Nagato's hands was painful for multiple reasons. So senseless and costly.

I miss Jiraiya.