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[六道仙人]

About the kishimoto interview."Naruto's close, but Sakura loves Sasuke as we should expect from that speech..."Japanese does have differentiated terms for that kind of closeness: Kishimoto used 近い (adj-i) near; close; short (distance) instead of 近しい (adj-i) intimate; close. He talked about Naruto being close to Sakura in distance but her loving Sasuke is a reference to Sakura's attempt to rationalize the changed of heart she wanted to act by saying "Sasuke is far away but ight here" --> (—> as in, despite the distances, her heart is with the one who is the furthest instead of the available one. This is the japanese original text: ナルトは近いが、サクラやはりサスケが好き的な発言。後あんまりナルト対していい言葉は使わなかったような驕っている…だっけ思い出せない)

Do you guys know something about this? I saw it on someone's Tumblr. A message someone sent a SS fan.

He/She is right here but...

I wouldn't never use "近しい" (intimate) for a couple of friends. Kishimoto use "近い" (could means close/near/short in terms of distance) for both of them and it's much more appropriate since currently Naruto and Sakura aren't a couple. Saying that Naruto and Sakura are short in terms of distance is a translation that doesn't make any sense. The right word to use here is "close". I think you know the english etymology of the word "close" much better than me so I don't intend to explain you it

[Chatte]

He/She is right here but...

I wouldn't never use "近しい" (intimate) for a couple of friends. Kishimoto use "近い" (could means close/near/short in terms of distance) for both of them and it's much more appropriate since currently Naruto and Sakura aren't a couple. Saying that Naruto and Sakura are short in terms of distance is a translation that doesn't make any sense. The right word to use here is "close". I think you know the english etymology of the word "close" much better than me so I don't intend to explain you it

Aaah I see what you mean there. I mean, I understand but I can't explain it at the moment.

[TouKen4Life3g]

He/She is right here but...

I wouldn't never use "近しい" (intimate) for a couple of friends. Kishimoto use "近い" (could means close/near/short in terms of distance) for both of them and it's much more appropriate since currently Naruto and Sakura aren't a couple. Saying that Naruto and Sakura are short in terms of distance is a translation that doesn't make any sense. The right word to use here is "close". I think you know the english etymology of the word "close" much better than me so I don't intend to explain you it

So I was right then? Sweet. I'm not expert, just noob at best.

[Dkey]

Actually i didnt care about that inteview because he confirmed that he doenst have words to describe her feelings for Naruto because it's obvious that she may loves him, also when he said she was honest it's kinda obvious that he was referring to the confession overall, if she has feelings that can be interpreted as love then his statement is not false, he cant confirm friendzone because he would contradict himself, distance also contradicts what he said about Sakura not having any kind words to describe her feelngs, on that panel i posted it describe this "close" issue, about he encouraging her, he always at her side.
It's not just distance but also intimacy.
Because her whole point whast just because he was there where she could touch him but the fact that he did a lot of stuff for her.

About my point is the girls are selfish, Sakura is selfish when it comes to Sasuke, she wanted to handle the issue alone for her own sake not because of Konoha like Rin did, Hinata is the most selfish girl on the k11 and i doubt Kishimoto would change that, Rin showed the closure of her development she was selfless, if she still loved Kakashi she would surely seek for another way since she knew about the plan.
I felt that she wanted to die because like Obito she also lose someome important to her and she only acknowledged that after Obito's death, she could swap Kakashi on her life but substitute Obito was impossible, it's show that he was always at her side and also encouraging her, not friendzone obviously but i felt that she realized that she truly loved him not Kakashi later it could explain why she wanted to die.

What you say makes sense. But the way the story goes, it seems everybody in that world is selfish.

I noticed there are about 3 types of thinking that push the plot.

1) is Uchiha specific. The loss of a dear one triggers a selfish behavior and we have Madara Obito and Sasuke of doing only what they think it's best to honor their lost ones.
2) the "shinobi are emotionless tools". This one it seems was made by Tobirama. It also was the one that spread the quickest and we had followers like Zabuza, Danzou Sai. There philosophy is simple. Do the dirty work and don't ask questions.
3) Will of Fire. Created by Hashirama it is at face value a selfless equivalent to the Uchiha one. Rin Minato Kushina Hiruzen Jiraya Asuma Itachi Shisui and many more others have died in order to protect those they held dear.

Now all 3 have one purpose in mind. To end the cycle of hatred. Yet all 3 actually feed this cycle of hatred.
Even the third one does it:
Rin's sacrifice pushed Obito in joining Madara's plan. Asuma's death pushed Shikamaru to kill/imprison Hidan. Thou he is smart enough to detect the potential to start a new war regarding Sasuke during the Summit arc he is also one who was affected by it.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

What you say makes sense. But the way the story goes, it seems everybody in that world is selfish.

I noticed there are about 3 types of thinking that push the plot.

1) is Uchiha specific. The loss of a dear one triggers a selfish behavior and we have Madara Obito and Sasuke of doing only what they think it's best to honor their lost ones.
2) the "shinobi are emotionless tools". This one it seems was made by Tobirama. It also was the one that spread the quickest and we had followers like Zabuza, Danzou Sai. There philosophy is simple. Do the dirty work and don't ask questions.
3) Will of Fire. Created by Hashirama it is at face value a selfless equivalent to the Uchiha one. Rin Minato Kushina Hiruzen Jiraya Asuma Itachi Shisui and many more others have died in order to protect those they held dear.

Now all 3 have one purpose in mind. To end the cycle of hatred. Yet all 3 actually feed this cycle of hatred.
Even the third one does it:
Rin's sacrifice pushed Obito in joining Madara's plan. Asuma's death pushed Shikamaru to kill/imprison Hidan. Thou he is smart enough to detect the potential to start a new war regarding Sasuke during the Summit arc he is also one who was affected by it.

If you look at Sakura pay attention, Sasuke told her that he was going to destroy Konoha, when she was about to kill him this didnt even crossed her mind( EX: I have to do this because if i fail he will try to hurt Naruto, my friends or even destroy my village), but she only thought about herself and her love, she didnt thought about Sasuke, neither Naruto or Konoha, it was only her feelings.
Sasuke was also selfish because he said that everyone on the leaf was enjoying that because of his bother when a lot of people sacrificed their lives for the village.
The villains also were selfish the story basically says that, the only one who were "heroes" were selfless, Jiraiya selfless on every way, Nagato died being selfless, Itachi killed his own family for Konoha sake, Rin died for Konoha, Kushina/Minato also did the same for the village, Hashirama killed his friend for the sake of the village and so on...

Madara, selfish doing all this because of his bother, Obito didnt had anything left ont he world for him, seems that Rin was everything for him and i felt that Rin also felt that Obito was everything for her(but died with a selfless motive).
Nagato (evil) I suffered a lot and everyone must suffer too.
Kabuto - wanted to be like Orochimaru.
Orochimaru - could not be hokage.
I cant put the girls also.
Hinata never did anything for the leaf only for Naruto, not even for her clan.
Sakura does selfless stuff for Naruto but when Sasuke is involved she's the most selfish girl ever on the same level as Hinata.
Put other Akatsuki members and other characters even Tsunade before the meeting with Naruto.

Also the third doesnt feed the cyrcle of hated is because of the "1", it was Obito who was selfish, i dont believe that the person who dies for the sake of the village must be blamed because the other person loves her too much.
Obito was dead, and for real i dont buy this whole "she wanted to die at the hands of the one she loved" because if she really loved Kakashi and her love is portraited as selfish i dont believe she would be selfless with Kakashi i dont buy this explanation, Obito has the same mindset as Naruto, if she really wanted to die at his hand out of love she would have said something to Kakashi or even give her parting words.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2013 - 07:42 PM.

[Dkey]

If you look at Sakura pay attention, Sasuke told her that he was going to destroy Konoha, when she was about to kill him this didnt even crossed her mind, she only thought about herself and her love, she didnt thought about Sasuke, neither Naruto or Konoha, it was only her feelings.
Sasuke was also selfish because he said that everyone on the leaf was enjoying that because of his bother when a lot of people sacrificed their lives for the village.
The villains also were selfish the story basically says that, the only one who were "heroes" were selfless, Jiraiya selfless on every way, Nagato died being selfless, Itachi killed his own family for Konoha sake, Rin died for Konoha, Kushina/Minato also did the same for the village, Hashirama killed his friend for the sake of the village and so on...

Madara, selfish doing all this because of his bother, Obito didnt had anything left ont he world for him, seems that Rin was everything for him and i felt that Rin also felt that Obito was everything for her(but died with a selfless motive).
Nagato (evil) I suffered a lot and everyone must suffer too.
Kabuto - wanted to be like Orochimaru.
Orochimaru - could not be hokage.
I cant put the girls also.
Hinata never did anything for the leaf only for Naruto, not even for her clan.
Sakura does selfless stuff for Naruto but when Sasuke is involved she's the most selfish girl ever on the same level as Hinata.
Put other Akatsuki members and other characters even Tsunade before the meeting with Naruto.

My mistake, you were talking only about selfish versus selfless actions, while I wanted to discuss something else.

Well Sakura and the rest of the rookies are really acting a bit selfish. Thou in a way I would describe them as still immature or acting their age. The only one who aren't are Naruto, and after a bit of development, Shikamaru.
And somehow right now in the story everybody is sticking out their necks for Naruto, because they see Naruto as the key to winning the war.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

My mistake, you were talking only about selfish versus selfless actions, while I wanted to discuss something else.

Well Sakura and the rest of the rookies are really acting a bit selfish. Thou in a way I would describe them as still immature or acting their age. The only one who aren't are Naruto, and after a bit of development, Shikamaru.
And somehow right now in the story everybody is sticking out their necks for Naruto, because they see Naruto as the key to winning the war.

Well it was about ti but i was more focused on romance, still i see Chouji, Ino, Shikamaru as sefless ones to add, Lee is not selfish surely, on the k11, the pending one is Sakura, Hinata is already showing that with the last panel and 615( with her neutral speech and 0 romantic implications but had the hand comment so it can be discarded open to interpretation) despite without development.


You cant say that because before the arrival of the alliance Hinata was selfish(Path to Radiance chapter is a lesson of selfiness from Hinata all the way) not about the fact of Naruto being a key but because she simply didnt cared neither about her clan or her teammates, she was Naruto-kun the whole arc.

Sakura is pending because she's selfless towards Naruto but there's still Sasuke out of there.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2013 - 07:55 PM.

[HauntedCake]

He/She is right here but...

I wouldn't never use "近しい" (intimate) for a couple of friends. Kishimoto use "近い" (could means close/near/short in terms of distance) for both of them and it's much more appropriate since currently Naruto and Sakura aren't a couple. Saying that Naruto and Sakura are short in terms of distance is a translation that doesn't make any sense. The right word to use here is "close". I think you know the english etymology of the word "close" much better than me so I don't intend to explain you it

Is this positive or negative for NS???

[TouKen4Life3g]

Is this positive or negative for NS???

Positive, because it is what we think it is: close to her affection. We just have to keep going with the journey.

[Chatte]

Positive, because it is what we think it is: close to her affection. We just have to keep going with the journey.

And he's definitely getting there. The way Sakura jumped to heal him. It's like she wanted to be the one to heal him, to have contact with him... dunno how to explain it exactly.

[Dkey]

Well it was about ti but i was more focused on romance, still i see Chouji, Ino, Shikamaru as sefless ones to add, Lee is not selfish surely, on the k11, the pending one is Sakura, Hinata is already showing that with the last panel and 615( with her neutral speech and 0 romantic implications but had the hand comment so it can be discarded open to interpretation) despite without development.


You cant say that because before the arrival of the alliance Hinata was selfish(Path to Radiance chapter is a lesson of selfiness from Hinata all the way) not about the fact of Naruto being a key but because she simply didnt cared neither about her clan or her teammates, she was Naruto-kun the whole arc.

Sakura is pending because she's selfless towards Naruto but there's still Sasuke out of there.

All I want to say about Hinata is this. She got her hand holding moment with Naruto, again good for her, now the story needs to go on. Actually it was pretty easy for her to protect Naruto because she didn't had a grudge or disregarded Naruto in her life. Also I'm not sure right now how her development will exactly end but I see it in the asymptote phase of her development curve. Meaning there isn't much for her left.

Yes Sakura is pending. And it will be far more brutal than Hinata or the rest of the rookies because seeing all the foreshadowing around her and Naruto something surely will crush down.

[TouKen4Life3g]

And he's definitely getting there. The way Sakura jumped to heal him. It's like she wanted to be the one to heal him, to have contact with him... dunno how to explain it exactly.

I know what you mean.

It's crazy, you seems to almost bought it from that message early today.

[HauntedCake]

Im really curious, could sasuke make Sakura happy????? at all??? i mean is a happy ever after ending for SS even possible??? I don't think Sakura would be happy with sasuke because he will be the part 1 sasuke at best and he was a douche.

I always go with the "take something away from someone and they will realize then what they lost" idea because i personally think it's gong to come into play when Naruto is temporarily killed Sakura will realize everything then much like the film where Naruto is foreseen dying. is it number 2?

[Chatte]

Something interesting: http://mirai-mangaka...our-confessions

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Im really curious, could sasuke make Sakura happy????? at all??? i mean is a happy ever after ending for SS even possible??? I don't think Sakura would be happy with sasuke because he will be the part 1 sasuke at best and he was a douche.

I always go with the "take something away from someone and they will realize then what they lost" idea because i personally think it's gong to come into play when Naruto is temporarily killed Sakura will realize everything then much like the film where Naruto is foreseen dying. is it number 2?

I believe that Rin realized that after Obito died there are too many hints, first her selfless towards Kakashi and the lack of parting words to him(romantically speaking off), also the fact that it ended with her looking at the sky and her suddenly will to give up her life to protect the leaf contradiciting her selfishness towards Kakashi when she said she loved him.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2013 - 10:33 PM.

[sushi.]

Im really curious, could sasuke make Sakura happy????? at all??? i mean is a happy ever after ending for SS even possible??? I don't think Sakura would be happy with sasuke because he will be the part 1 sasuke at best and he was a douche.

I always go with the "take something away from someone and they will realize then what they lost" idea because i personally think it's gong to come into play when Naruto is temporarily killed Sakura will realize everything then much like the film where Naruto is foreseen dying. is it number 2?

No.

Even when he's good, he's too passive. Sakura was attracted to that in the past, but all she described it as was "cool". That feeling won't stick in. She would like a really romantic boy that gives her all the attention she wants, your sig says it all. :v
Just..try to imagine Sasuke as a warm and loving husband and father.

[redragon88]

Im really curious, could sasuke make Sakura happy????? at all??? i mean is a happy ever after ending for SS even possible??? I don't think Sakura would be happy with sasuke because he will be the part 1 sasuke at best and he was a douche.

I always go with the "take something away from someone and they will realize then what they lost" idea because i personally think it's gong to come into play when Naruto is temporarily killed Sakura will realize everything then much like the film where Naruto is foreseen dying. is it number 2?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It has a strong hint that it happened with Rin but i doubt it would happen with Sakura.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2013 - 10:41 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Something interesting: http://mirai-mangaka...our-confessions

While not done reading, I want to point out that the guy confession is been done for many times. Funny, because Sakura was knocked out when Naruto said that line. Maybe that's how Sasuke know he loves her. And here I thought it was Gundam exclusive. Back to reading.

[redragon88]

It has a strong hint that it happened with Rin but i doubt it would happen with Sakura.

What do you mean? That she was happy with Kakashi? I don't think they had a relationship or anything. And weren't you theorizing that maybe Rin chose death because of Obito in some way?