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[Ryriena]

Sakura deveoplment went backwards after the Pein arc due to retaconing and infearence from the anime studio that deveopled Naruto anime.

[rocci]

Sakura deveoplment went backwards after the Pein arc due to retaconing and infearence from the anime studio that deveopled Naruto anime.

Well there are many reason.

[trang95]

A lot of series treat female characters much better than Naruto. I feel like TG is just right along with AoT and FMA: no fan service but kick so much ass.

kittening Amen, my friend. Amen.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sakura development stop at pain arc and goes backward.

Which is stupid because of that. That was like no return. I don't care people kitten, do your job. Because of going backward and not able to fight so often, it only ask to be one bad character.

[TouKen4Life3g]

And even the non action female characters in FMA at least show strong moral character and won't be pushed around by anyone. Prime example Winry. Not sure about AOT or TG though.
 
Why do you think Sakura was looked down on so much by the casual fans? much of her development was angsting over a boy that she had a silly crush on and was violent and abusive towards her, all the while taking for granted the actual guy that showed her real love and kindness for granted. by that I meant she showed no signs of moving on from such an emotionally unhealthy obsession with said abusive boy and while showing strong feelings for the "original" Naruto hasn't shown more than hints at romantic reciprocation, not helped again by said obsession that wasn't even love.
 
That does not make her a good role model for girls and shows no inspiration for women at all to be independent from men who clearly don't care about them. does it make her original, yes but not a good character still. but does Thoughtlessmoto ever consider this? No! he thinks that she must look like a super model to be liked like that chubby-chested heiress, who by the way is not that attractive beta-males just love her cause she is submissive and makes them feel more manly in comparison.
 
Point being, Sakura was doomed as character from the moment moment she decided to be an unholy prime example of extreme doormat and love martyr for the "bad boy" plus will plus her creator decided she will never move on form that position  

That's how I see it and really, those fans, sorry for this, should kitten off from other series. These guys would ruin TG if they get their hands on it. I rather the series to stay silent, even if I want it to get known. People like them don't understand the idea of how characters are portrayed, like one is seen wrong but realistically, they're right.

If you don't understand, then don't read anything above Naruto and just read casual mindless manga like Dragon Ball. That way your brain won't have to do a lot of working, let alone work.

[wonderlandmaze]

If I live in NY , I would defininitely went to the fan meet con, and I will bring the damn The last movie poster and I will ask Kishi to sign the poster then ask him a favor to tear the poster immediately or other way round, I will tear it right in front of him to show that the movie and the whole deal is crappy :( LOL quite evil huh >:)

p.s. i am new here, treat me well >w<
found out this website quite sometime now and feeling so so so secure here LOL

[Nar123]

If I live in NY , I would defininitely went to the fan meet con, and I will bring the damn The last movie poster and I will ask Kishi to sign the poster then ask him a favor to tear the poster immediately or other way round, I will tear it right in front of him to show that the movie and the whole deal is crappy :( LOL quite evil huh >:)

p.s. i am new here, treat me well >w<
found out this website quite sometime now and feeling so so so secure here LOL

 

Do it, do it !!!   

 

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[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

If I live in NY , I would defininitely went to the fan meet con, and I will bring the damn The last movie poster and I will ask Kishi to sign the poster then ask him a favor to tear the poster immediately or other way round, I will tear it right in front of him to show that the movie and the whole deal is crappy :( LOL quite evil huh >:)

p.s. i am new here, treat me well >w<
found out this website quite sometime now and feeling so so so secure here LOL

 

Welcome to H&E, Maze! :) You'll fit in just fine.

[FireFox]

If I live in NY , I would defininitely went to the fan meet con, and I will bring the damn The last movie poster and I will ask Kishi to sign the poster then ask him a favor to tear the poster immediately or other way round, I will tear it right in front of him to show that the movie and the whole deal is crappy :( LOL quite evil huh >:)

p.s. i am new here, treat me well >w<
found out this website quite sometime now and feeling so so so secure here LOL

You should finish it with kittening on it  .

 

Welcome to H&E  and don't worry you'll be just fine   unless you visit the Random thread then I can't vouch for your sanity  . 

[AHK]

A well written female character right there. It doesn't have to be all action, just have character.

The only fanservice TG has is just letting us see Touka-chan again

[TouKen4Life3g]

The only fanservice TG has is just letting us see Touka-chan again

Lol. What? Her in a bikini or something?

[Lady Lys]

You should finish it with kittening on it  .

 

Welcome to H&E  and don't worry you'll be just fine   unless you visit the Random thread then I can't vouch for your sanity  . 

 

 

Anywaysssss. I vouch for 'Papaoutai' as Sarada's new theme.  Who's with me? 

Edited by Lady Lys, 06 May 2015 - 06:25 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

 

Anywaysssss. I vouch for 'Papaoutai' as Sarada's new theme.  Who's with me? 

 

What brought this on?

[Atheck]

It's Tsunade's , the creator of the techinique's own vocal statement, it should be relevant.

That's inconclusive on both accounts. We're not completely certain if Tsunade was the progenitor of Byakugou or not. Strong implications in panels showing Mito with a seal-esque marking on her forehand reinforces the theory of Tsunade not being the one who created it.
 

People who argue againts the byakugou are generally Sakura or Tsunade haters. unfortunately

 
A number of them, yes, but you also have a percentage of people who dispute unsupported claims that contain next to no evidence proving their existence. I don't believe Sakura or Tsunade are all too powerful in any context. Their bout for recognition is based upon one-dimensional attack patterns with heavy strength and seal-less restoration that has little in the way of feats to justify the boasting.

So you'll have to forgive me if I don't believe those two characters are able to challenge a character who has had several full-fledged battles against S-rank opponents under his belt with ingenuity, speed, and versatility shown that sets him above practically everyone except the more capable S-rank tiers.
 

Kabuto's palm definitely percied her lungs, an organ, that's probably whay she had truble breathing

Actually, no, what Kabuto damaged was the intercostal muscles that are situated next to the ribs. They assist in the inhalation and exhalation of oxygen. Lungs are not the only internal organ that help to facilitate breathing. By the way, my argument regarding the lack of generating entirely new organs still stands.
 

Besides that one to the heart she he also took a very sharp cut to the shoulder and her midside, dealing internal damage that would kill any normal person.

Once again, that's false. The injuries sustained were to the upper thigh and arm. But any damage sustained was not life-threatening in the least. Kakashi once stated that you can't strengthen your internal organs, and that's true. This suggestion of Tsunade's innards somehow being more durable than any non-Senju's is unproven and it contradicts established facts.
 

Above all the fact that it can recover tissue and muscles, which basically makes an organ corroborates to the fact that it can recover internal damage to organs.

 
The key words are "damage" and "recover". Tsunade wasn't deprived of her limbs or organs. She didn't materialise brand new anatomical parts in place of her old ones like a salamander. She countered the damage inflicted to already existing organs that were still in place via Mystical Palm.
 

But why would it need to regenerate a complete new one? The basis for the Creation Rebirth seal would make it regenerate instantly after receiving a damage as long as the user has enough chakra

 
You were using Kabuto's inflicted injuries to justify your claim in Sozo Saisei/Byakugou popping out new limbs when she recovered from them by activating the Mystical Palm technique. If Byakugou was never brought up during this fight then it should not be referenced.
 

I already said I can, respiratory problem have relation with the lungs and windpipe, which are organs, besides she got pierced in the general place where her heart is, we can say that her heart was damaged, or even her lungs for that matter.

You are also not counting the fact that muscle itself is an organ, it is a contractile organ consisting of a special bundle of muscle tissue which moves a particular bone, part or substance of

Reread my third rebuttal.

"Actually, no, what Kabuto damaged was the intercostal muscles that are situated next to the ribs. They assist in the inhalation and exhalation of oxygen. Lungs are not the only internal organ that help to facilitate breathing."

Their function pertains more to the ribs than lungs or windpipe.
 

The fact that the byakugou can regenerate tissue and muscles ( components of what an organ is made of) by super fast cell regeneration makes it certain that it can deal with internal organ damage

 
I'm sorry - do you not understand what the difference is between healing already existing organs compared to spawning new ones from chakra? Damaged organs can be mended, having your larynx removed so that it's no longer functioning in your body is not some usable equivalent. Moreover, you seem to be overlooking the fact that Tsunade did not use her seal in restoring herself, she used basic healing methods. I keep having to repeat this over and over to you for some reason.
 

Think of it a little like wolverine's natural accelerated healing proccess, it can heal internal damage, tissues and muscles just the same

I've never read X-men so the analogy escapes me. If you want a more apt comparison, use Ban from "Seven Deadly Sins".

Regeneration

 

That's true regeneration and immortality in every sense of the word. What Tsunade uses is a glorified Mystical Palm that does little more than fix shattered spinal cords. Most of its acclaim comes from insubstantial hype and boasts.
 

 

LOL

 

 
Yeah 'cause this above there didn't deal any internal damage to her, right ?

Your images are broken. The only human character who has managed to actually regenerate their limbs on-screen is Juubi Madara after being battered by Guy.
 

And look here,
she took a katon from Madara head on too
 

panel

Once again, broken image. However, if I remember the panel correctly, the wounds Tsunade sustained were not all too severe. I question if they would even qualify as anything more than second degree burns. Healing damage like that is nothing difficult. It might be something to consider if they were fourth degree - i.e. charred down to the bone and blackened.
 

Madara says it's the "same" as Hashirama's jutsu, not that they are similar.
Madara adding an arm (no matter who it is from) to himself shows that the creation rebirth technique has the power to "glue" again lost body components.

How many times do have I to repeat myself to you? Taking someone else's arm and placing it on your stump is not the same as spawning a completely new limb with chakra like some lizard. The most you can say is that it attached the muscles, cartilage, and blood vessels of the arm to his body.
 

Hell, Katsuyu's healing operates on a similar basis ( fast cell regeneration, but without the downgrade of shortening the person's life span) and Tsunade trusted her to ba able to "glue" her body again after she was done saving the Kages
 
 

And are we aware of what the extent of the Kages' injuries were? Did Mei have her leg sliced off and grown back? What about Gaara? Did he lose an ear and Katsuyu created an entirely new one for him? Your example is the same scenario as Madara's - separate already existing body parts being attached together with tendons, muscles, spine, and blood vessels being mended. Tsunade didn't regrow her legs so please don't try and equate it to regeneration.
 

Orovchimaru's kunasagi couldn't do it do you think Hebi's Sasuke one would be able to get such a clean cut ,

Can you provide the quote that notes this distinction in quality of the Kusanagi blades? Both characters should be equally fast, according to the Databook. Sasuke is certainly more skilled in close quarters than Tsunade. He was tangling with Base Kakashi and surprising him when he was just a young recruit out of the academy.
 

nevertheless the fact that Byakugou grantes instant regeneration and that Tsunade herself is a medical ninja well versed in the art of dodging

 
Dodging skills which have never been used except against Kabuto who is the same in terms of speed as she is.

[Atheck]

No, you make up your own statements in hope to try to contradict facts but unfortunately you can't

 
Really? This is coming from the same poster who misconstrues and exaggerates his evidence, in spite of the fact that much of it wasn't even achieved through the technique in question.
 
Try and use something that's more akin to what Madara demonstrated against Guy if you want actual proof of regeneration.
 
 

Then you  forgot to put into the equation that Itachi also used a katon and then the amaterasu, which burned up for a long time.

 
All of those flames were surrounding the compound. They weren't directly aimed into the atmosphere for the expressed motive of making rain clouds.
 
 

Sasuke's Kirin is his last resrot so much that he only used onve, he would only do this if his chakra already becam depleted from the fight.

 
So basically, he's going to blindly and stupidly continue chopping away at this woman who continues to magically regenerate her limbs with everything he has, hoping that eventually she won't heal back? What kind of logic is this? If Sasuke's exhausted all other avenues of attack then he's going to use Kirin, low chakra or not - not that I believe the appendage regrowth argument. It's just being cited for example purposes.
  

Focusing a katon on the atmosphere to make the process faster also leaves Sasuke open for any kind of attack

 
No attack that can successfully land on Sasuke. He's much too quick for either character to impact. They'll mostly be on the defencive, trying to stay alive while aiming those linear attacks of theirs, hoping for one to land.  
  

You're forgetting Tsunade could easily surprise Hebi!Sasuke with her instant regeneration and deal one blow, one blow would probably be enough to incapacitate him.

 
Chidori pierces Tsunade's heart. In her final moments, she clutches Sasuke's arm to keep him in place for a responding blow à la Haku and Kakashi. Difference is - Sasuke has Chidori Nagashi to numb Tsunade's senses with. Gaara's Sand Dome attempted to restrain him as well and look how that panned out. That strategy will not work so long as Raiton is available.
 

Hebi!Sasuke is strong but he is not Kage level yet

 
We are still referring to Base Hebi Sasuke, yes? Because Hebi Sasuke with all of his permutations was taking on S-rank Akatsuki members and momentarily outpacing Amaterasu. I'll agree that in base he's only A-rank tier, which is still higher compared to Sakura, but fully powered Hebi Sasuke with CS2 and the Sharingan is definitely in the Kage spectrum.  
 

I advise you to read the chapter again, the Byakugou can regenerate tissue and muscles due to + cell regen. basically, what the whole body is marjoly made off

 
Restoring injured tissue and muscles is nothing extraordinary. It occurs every day in real life as well. This conversation is about you trying to prove that Tsunade can sprout internal organs and limbs from stumps.
 

My main problem with the Byakugou is regarding Sakura's character,  it's more of the same thing for her, just a + regenration and + strenght of the one hundred; it's always good to make the MC's at least a little diverse in their powers or creative enough in their usage. But what you are doing her Atheck is completely try to undermine the techinique,one of the Sennins,  it's kinda like trying to undermine Jiraya's sage mode or Orochimaru's vast knowledge of ninjutsu and snake techinques.

 
No, what I'm doing is asking for hard actual proof to justify the hype; which you have given none of and continue to turn a blind eye to the fact that your examples aren't actual examples of what would qualify as regeneration. I don't care what bold accusations are made in a statement translated by a company that's notorious for distorting the literal interpretation of the manga. We know that the Sannin are capable of what they say they can do because they have the feats to back it up. On the other hand, Tsunade doesn't reinforce her claims, at least in regards to her seal. She's never grown legs, or arms, or created a new heart on-screen. She needed to rely on Hashirama's cells to manually create a prosthetic arm for Naruto instead of transferring her Byakugou technique and having him pop a natural one out of his stump. Why would this be necessary if she can transfer abilities/chakra over and her Byakugou is capable of literally regenerating appendages? It makes no sense.

[FireFox]

 

 

Anywaysssss. I vouch for 'Papaoutai' as Sarada's new theme.  Who's with me? 

All I can tell you is that its absolutely not my kittening fault  . Is that babu sloth !?  .

 

I'm always with you my Duchess  .

[Lady Lys]

 

What brought this on?

My random playlist mostly.  I was thinking about Sarada's mental traumas and then this song came on:

 

Where are you, papa?

Tell me, where are you papa?

Without even talking to him,

he knows what he did wrong.

It's holy papa,

Tell me where are you broken!

It must...

I have at least one thousand times, I

Counted my fingers

Hé!

Where are you? Pa, where are you?
Where are you? Pa, where are you?
Where are you? Pa, where are you?
Where are you, are you, where papa, are you?

 

I kind of laughed myself silly. But I'm a pretty random person...so. 

 

 

All I can tell you is that its absolutely not my kittening fault  . Is that babu sloth !?  .

 

I'm always with you my Duchess  .

 

It's a very serious bby sloth. 

 

Oh my loooove.   

[FireFox]

My random playlist mostly.  I was thinking about Sarada's mental traumas and then this song came on:

 

Where are you, papa?

Tell me, where are you papa?

Without even talking to him,

he knows what he did wrong.

It's holy papa,

Tell me where are you broken!

It must...

I have at least one thousand times, I

Counted my fingers

Hé!

Where are you? Pa, where are you?
Where are you? Pa, where are you?
Where are you? Pa, where are you?
Where are you, are you, where papa, are you?

 

I kind of laughed myself silly. But I'm a pretty random person...so. 

 

 

 

It's a very serious bby sloth. 

 

Oh my loooove.   

Sorry papa is busy at plucking some eye holes and kittening with moma Karin  .

 

He's kittenlicious .

 

Ahhh my petit   Chateau Margaux 2009    .

[六道仙人]

My random playlist mostly.  I was thinking about Sarada's mental traumas and then this song came on:

 

Where are you, papa?

Tell me, where are you papa?

Without even talking to him,

he knows what he did wrong.

It's holy papa,

Tell me where are you broken!

It must...

I have at least one thousand times, I

Counted my fingers

Hé!

Where are you? Pa, where are you?
Where are you? Pa, where are you?
Where are you? Pa, where are you?
Where are you, are you, where papa, are you?

 

I kind of laughed myself silly. But I'm a pretty random person...so. 

 

Oh my god! it fits her so perfectly!! I second this! That must be Sarada's theme. I wanna to propose to Studio pierrot to play it as soundtrack each time Sarada appears.

[AHK]

Lol. What? Her in a bikini or something?

No, I'm just saying that there's zero fanservice in TG, burst the moment we see Touka so rarely that even just the sight of her is considered fanservice XD