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[TouKen4Life3g]

Whaaa, I JUST LOVE YOU!
I knew Kishi didn't screw-up... Probably a self-made text to prove a point...It wouldn't be the first time this happens.
Look at the mess with Sakura 'not' being the heroine.

Lol yeah. To go further with the first word, you can use that word for distance, but it has more meanings such as "The witness made a statement and it's approximate to the truth," or "he plays a lot, but he's reaching to the limit," or "Let's meet again in the near future," or anything else that means getting close to the person or thing. I think the question is who she loves because when Kishi said "But" that means he was taking account that both are them are in the league and one of them will come victorious. Think like this:

Q: So who is strongest ninja now: Naruto or Sasuke?
A: Naruto has definitely improved a lot and close to perfection, but Sasuke is said to be the strongest ninja.

See what I mean. After all, if Naruto is meant to be a friend, shouldn't he say:

K: Naruto's close. Sakura said she loves Sasuke.

Noticed the difference?

[KnS]

@KnS

I agree with you all the way, also if you misunderstood my post I wasnt denying any lingering feelings for sasuke, I meant to say that sakura no longer loves sasuke romantically, she...well I dunno what she feels for him...its complicsted but definitely not love, she already loves naruto, but narutos still not there yet, I believe there'll be something major thatll trigger something between the pair.

And I'm saying the opposite. So we don't actually agree, and that's okay.

I'm saying Sakura does still believe she's in love with Sasuke. That was the whole point of the Lover Nin scene. He said, "He must be a really great guy if you're in love with him." Then she thought of Dark!Sasuke, and how he's not a great guy. The implication was that Sakura still associates her romantic feelings with Sasuke. If she knew she was in love with Naruto, she would have thought of him at that moment and been happy about it.

And Naruto is totally there. He's loved Sakura from the beginning. He's simply not willing to allow Sakura to deny or have to give up on her true feelings. If and when she does fully get over Sasuke, Naruto will accept her feelings for him. Quite happily, I would imagine.

[Chatte]

Lol yeah. To go further with the first word, you can use that word for distance, but it has more meanings such as "The witness made a statement and it's approximate to the truth," or "he plays a lot, but he's reaching to the limit," or "Let's meet again in the near future," or anything else that means getting close to the person or thing. I think the question is who she loves because when Kishi said "But" that means he was taking account that both are them are in the league and one of them will come victorious. Think like this:

Q: So who is strongest ninja now: Naruto or Sasuke?
A: Naruto has definitely improved a lot and close to perfection, but Sasuke is said to be the strongest ninja.

See what I mean. After all, if Naruto is meant to be a friend, shouldn't he say:

K: Naruto's close. Sakura said she loves Sasuke.

Noticed the difference?

Thanks a lot for the clarification. Now it's all more settled down.
I was really irritated with this thing to be honest
I am still irritated with how even some of the so-called Sakura fans treat her when it comes to Naruto, just because they're SS fans.
I mean, ok, I ship NS, but I do acknowledge SS. Not because I like it, but because it is a part of Sakura's character, whether we like it or not. That is what it means to be a Sakura fan. And I am not trying to brag about myself, God no, but when I see other saying they're fans of her yet they don't acknowledge that side of her's, it just..dunoo, irks me.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Thanks a lot for the clarification. Now it's all more settled down.
I was really irritated with this thing to be honest
I am still irritated with how even some of the so-called Sakura fans treat her when it comes to Naruto, just because they're SS fans.
I mean, ok, I ship NS, but I do acknowledge SS. Not because I like it, but because it is a part of Sakura's character, whether we like it or not. That is what it means to be a Sakura fan. And I am not trying to brag about myself, God no, but when I see other saying they're fans of her yet they don't acknowledge that side of her's, it just..dunoo, irks me.

You're welcome. Those classes really helped. Now I definitely don't regret it not one bit. Granted I don't see it as a waste of time, but it's just me not ulitilizing them at its potentials. Glad to use the knowledge and such. Go me!

Yeah, I understand what you mean there.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 11 May 2013 - 05:39 PM.

[Chatte]

You're welcome. Those classes really helped. Now I definitely don't regret it not one bit. Granted I don't see it as a waste of time, but it's just me not ulitilizing them at its potentials. Glad to use the knowledge and such. Go me!

Yeah, I understand what you mean there.

They definitely helped, heheh.
And yeah, that's my thing. Someone asked me on Tumblr why I don't ship SS anymore. I guess I owe them a big LAP.
I do enjoy some of the fanarts, it's really cool, but I can't enjoy the cannon pairing. Not anymore after seeing how Sakura becomes when it comes to Sasuke. Hell no. All I want for this girl is to resolve her issue and move the damn on. Even if she doesn't end up with Naruto. But be ok on her own two feet with no strings attached. She's a mature and independent woman that needs no man to bring her down, lol.
Anyway, I am off a bit... Talk to ya guys later.

[TouKen4Life3g]

They definitely helped, heheh.
And yeah, that's my thing. Someone asked me on Tumblr why I don't ship SS anymore. I guess I owe them a big LAP.
I do enjoy some of the fanarts, it's really cool, but I can't enjoy the cannon pairing. Not anymore after seeing how Sakura becomes when it comes to Sasuke. Hell no. All I want for this girl is to resolve her issue and move the damn on. Even if she doesn't end up with Naruto. But be ok on her own two feet with no strings attached. She's a mature and independent woman that needs no man to bring her down, lol.
Anyway, I am off a bit... Talk to ya guys later.

Yeah, plus NaruSaku seems to have almost everything that makes it work (caring, understanding, smiles, etc.). Oh well. Nice talking to you.

[Canadian_DJ]

And I'm saying the opposite. So we don't actually agree, and that's okay.

I'm saying Sakura does still believe she's in love with Sasuke. That was the whole point of the Lover Nin scene. He said, "He must be a really great guy if you're in love with him." Then she thought of Dark!Sasuke, and how he's not a great guy. The implication was that Sakura still associates her romantic feelings with Sasuke. If she knew she was in love with Naruto, she would have thought of him at that moment and been happy about it.

And Naruto is totally there. He's loved Sakura from the beginning. He's simply not willing to allow Sakura to deny or have to give up on her true feelings. If and when she does fully get over Sasuke, Naruto will accept her feelings for him. Quite happily, I would imagine.

No no, I agree with you, but all im saying is sakura doesn't ROMANTICALLY love him, she might love him, but not romantically, and if you stilk disagree..well then ok

[rikakim94]

Thanks a lot for the clarification. Now it's all more settled down.
I was really irritated with this thing to be honest
I am still irritated with how even some of the so-called Sakura fans treat her when it comes to Naruto, just because they're SS fans.
I mean, ok, I ship NS, but I do acknowledge SS. Not because I like it, but because it is a part of Sakura's character, whether we like it or not. That is what it means to be a Sakura fan. And I am not trying to brag about myself, God no, but when I see other saying they're fans of her yet they don't acknowledge that side of her's, it just..dunoo, irks me.

chatte i,ve actually seen this issue on tumblr, i did get angry too that they don't acknowledge sakuras growing feelings for naruto instead they only feel that she should end up with sasuke. Whats even more frustrating is that they never acknowledge how sasuke feels about sakura which is nothing more than friendship in the past.

oh and sakura regressing is not a very good luck on her character, it just gives her more reason to get bashed

i understand were your coming from your not alone.

[rikakim94]

They definitely helped, heheh.
And yeah, that's my thing. Someone asked me on Tumblr why I don't ship SS anymore. I guess I owe them a big LAP.
I do enjoy some of the fanarts, it's really cool, but I can't enjoy the cannon pairing. Not anymore after seeing how Sakura becomes when it comes to Sasuke. Hell no. All I want for this girl is to resolve her issue and move the damn on. Even if she doesn't end up with Naruto. But be ok on her own two feet with no strings attached. She's a mature and independent woman that needs no man to bring her down, lol.
Anyway, I am off a bit... Talk to ya guys later.

I agree with that statement to.

[Inferno180]

Chatte if you are doing an analysis, there is a very good one you can add to Sakura,

The fact of her parents, we don't know much about her parents, but we know enough that Sakura has been living a normal childhood until the formation of team 7, she still had her own ups and downs with her parents.

Basically its not only her normal being in the series, but also due to the fact that its her unique position on team 7 to have never suffered a tragic loss like Naruto, Sasuke, or Kakashi (well Naruto never knew his parents) but the point is Sakura's background gave her the perfect foil towards Naruto who never had his parents and Sasuke who lost his. Sasuke kinda of served as the mediator in this factor. Naruto was trying to understand that because he didn't know what it was like until Iruka and Jiriaya served as surrogate fathers.

Basically one key aspect of Sakura's character is how she learns their pains and sees a difference, Naruto a child born in darkness and tragedy yet he just kept moving towards the light. While Sasuke is the one who had greatness at the start but chose to go the full path of the dark. Both could have followed good and bad paths as Naruto said in the land of Iron, they could have been in each other's positions, like Naruto could have left and it could have been Sasuke trying to get him back.

Sakura's also had this type of development from the start, she thought Naruto was bad but realized he was alone like Sasuke. As time went on she saw he was still human and became his friend. This just became much bigger when she actually discovered the pain he had to deal with as the 9 tails host from the reveal to the 4 tails event and even from ch 573, all have had Sakura on one type of development, doing what she can for Naruto. Sakura cannot understand the pain but knows what it causes him and how its been dealt to him. She does perfectly what others cannot, she did not know tragedy but understands and does what she can for her friends, those who have suffered it. Basically what she did not know or understand in the past she makes up for in the present simply by trying to do what can to help Naruto.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

No one. Lol. Ok there's two words of near, right? First one is in the interview and the second one is the one the guy suggested that if it's about feelings, Kishi should have said this. If Kishi used the first word, it would have been a friendzoned because that word is used as a friendly term, not beyond that. Limit is best friend.

Hey, Chatte, about the first word, it's not just used as distance like "Near the store" and such. I just found out now and seems like I probably did hit the bullseye.

Well it's ambiguos could be more close to win Sakura's over since the question was if she still loves Sasuke, kishimoto said she still loves him but Naruto's close, it cant be mean distance for obvious reasons it would contradict his response about Sakura's honest confession because if he says that Naruto's is close to win her over then the "i love you" is not a lie.
Which could be due to her statement on the confession but the whole "Naruto's close" because Naruto is not trying to win her over, there's nothing that he can do to make her love him it's up to her, not Naruto, she already acknowledged him i have no idea what's missing but it's kinda obvious that the meeting with Sasuke will resolve this issue like make it or break it.
naruto being friendzoned too doesnt make sense due to her feelings since kishi and even the databooks are unable to state what she feels for Naruto.

[HauntedCake]

Yes please!

Edit: sakura has moved on from sasuke, she no longer loves him, she just cares for him, and its only a matter of time its addressed in the manga.She loves naruto.Not sasuke.Period.

As much as want this to be true we can't say she's moved on from sasuke yet because she hasn't atm.

It's just my opinion, but I think NS fans should take care when debating Sakura's confession. Denying or downplaying Sakura's lingering feelings for Sasuke introduces an unnecessary flaw in the NS argument. Admitting that Sakura is still confused doesn't change the strength or, IMO, the inevitability of NS, and demonstrates a rational view of the way things stand. Trying to argue that Sakura is already 100% in love with Naruto and aware of it, and that there was no untruthful aspect of her confession, only hurts the integrity of the NS argument as a whole.

THIS.....IS......SPARRRTTTAAAA!!!!!SPOT ON KnS..... THIS THIS THIS!!!!!

[Gravenimage]

Wow...just wow....these fans really are dispicable...disgustimg really..thing is that they dont seem to realize that theyre debating with REAL people that have lives and are human beings that should be respected, manners really make a difference and they sure lack it.

@Chatte

Thanks

Oh and about the raw, wow thats..thats interesting..so it means that kishi said sakura doesnt love sasuke and she in fact does love naruto?

Easy Canadian no bashing remember the rules.

[六道仙人]

here the raw of sakura's confession: http://raw.narutoverse.org/Raw/50/107/

Anyway, I wouldn't pay attention to kishimoto's words... He's always vagus in the interviews...

[Chatte]

here the raw of sakura's confession: http://raw.narutoverse.org/Raw/50/107/

Anyway, I wouldn't pay attention to kishimoto's words... He's always vagus in the interviews...

Thanks a lot, hun!
And @ the others, I now understand how that person contradicted themselves. The thing that makes it clear it's that "but".
If it were for physical distance, than it would mean that he was referring to Sakura's feelings for Sasuke as in distance as well, which was not the case.
Geez, How could I let myself be so blinded.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well it's ambiguos could be more close to win Sakura's over since the question was if she still loves Sasuke, kishimoto said she still loves him but Naruto's close, it cant be mean distance for obvious reasons it would contradict his response about Sakura's honest confession because if he says that Naruto's is close to win her over then the "i love you" is not a lie.
Which could be due to her statement on the confession but the whole "Naruto's close" because Naruto is not trying to win her over, there's nothing that he can do to make her love him it's up to her, not Naruto, she already acknowledged him i have no idea what's missing but it's kinda obvious that the meeting with Sasuke will resolve this issue like make it or break it.
naruto being friendzoned too doesnt make sense due to her feelings since kishi and even the databooks are unable to state what she feels for Naruto.

Oh crap!!!!

I made a terrible mistake. I meant to say if Kishi used the second word, not first one! I hope everyone got the right idea right? As in Kishi is talking about Naruto is getting close to her (winning her affection). I'll correct this ASAP.

[Gravenimage]

I'm probably one of the few who believes Sakura has moved on from Sasuke and is love with Naruto. That Kishi wants to make us believe she still has feelings for Sasuke to keep the love triangle active just for the sake to maintain the tension and the drama, that is another story. Remember his little game with the whole Obito/Madara theory how many fans who used to believe he was really Obito and they ended up believing he was really Madara only for Kishi to fool them with been Obito all along.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The Rin statement made me think a bit.
Kushina sacrificed her life because to save Konoha, Rin died protecting the leaf, there's a woman on the series that did something for the Leaf?
I didnt see Sakura doing something for the Leaf only either for Naruto or Sasuke, Hinata too, it's always Naruto.
Dont think that the girls on the k11 are selfish?
Ino at least do her job because of the leaf, but did any girl did something focused on protecting the Leaf?
i could've missed panels but for some reason i feel that Kishimoto is despicting the girls as selfish, Rin basically wanted to die and wanst selfish she didnt wanted to know if there's "another way" and i felt that she knew it was just a plan., but srsly i'm suspicious that she may wanted to die to be with Obito perhaps she did something selfless different than all the girls he despicted on the manga.

Facts: Sakura didnt wanted to kill Sasuke for the leaf, she went to kill him because of Naruto (a bit selfish).
Hinata's confession : she didnt jumped there to protect the leaf or defeat Pain she just wanted to confess her love (selfish).

So continuing if she really loved Kakashi on that moment wont her trying to be alive or seek another way? Since it was obvious that she knew about the plan.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2013 - 07:02 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The Rin statement made me think a bit.
Kushina sacrificed her life because to save Konoha, Rin died protecting the leaf, there's a woman on the series that did something for the Leaf?
I didnt see Sakura doing something for the Leaf only either for Naruto or Sakura, Hinata too, it's always Naruto.
Dont think that the girls on the k11 are selfish?
Ino at least do her job because of the leaf, but did any girl did something focused on protecting the Leaf?
i could've missed panels but for some reason i feel that Kishimoto is despicting the girls as selfish, Rin basically wanted to die and wanst selfish she didnt wanted to know about "another way" and i felt that she knew it was just a plan.

Funny, because in the movie, Sakura sounds like Naruto. Shame that it's a movie, but I wouldn't rule it out as her not being character. Oh well. Closest you can get is her telling everyone to move away far from Naruto while in KN6. She was the one to spread the word. Other than that, I don't remember anything else. Any ideas?

Btw, I changed my statement. Sorry for misleading comment. You're right that it's not about distance.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 11 May 2013 - 07:02 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Funny, because in the movie, Sakura sounds like Naruto. Shame that it's a movie, but I wouldn't rule it out as her not being character. Oh well. Closest you can get is her telling everyone to move away far from Naruto while in KN6. She was the one to spread the word. Other than that, I don't remember anything else. Any ideas?

Btw, I changed my statement. Sorry for misleading comment. You're right that it's not about distance.

Actually i didnt care about that inteview because he confirmed that he doenst have words to describe her feelings for Naruto because it's obvious that she may loves him, also when he said she was honest it's kinda obvious that he was referring to the confession overall, if she has feelings that can be interpreted as love then his statement is not false, he cant confirm friendzone because he would contradict himself, distance also contradicts what he said about Sakura not having any kind words to describe her feelngs, on that panel i posted it describe this "close" issue, about he encouraging her, he always at her side.
It's not just distance but also intimacy.
Because her whole point whast just because he was there where she could touch him but the fact that he did a lot of stuff for her.

About my point is the girls are selfish, Sakura is selfish when it comes to Sasuke, she wanted to handle the issue alone for her own sake not because of Konoha like Rin did, Hinata is the most selfish girl on the k11 and i doubt Kishimoto would change that, Rin showed the closure of her development she was selfless, if she still loved Kakashi she would surely seek for another way since she knew about the plan.
I felt that she wanted to die because like Obito she also lose someome important to her and she only acknowledged that after Obito's death, she could swap Kakashi on her life but substitute Obito was impossible, it's show that he was always at her side and also encouraging her, not friendzone obviously but i felt that she realized that she truly loved him not Kakashi later it could explain why she wanted to die.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2013 - 07:12 PM.