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[Froot]

That's definitely something that will have to be brought up again sometime later. If the NH's are going to keep complaining about the confession, then we'll keep bringing up the bench scene, because once Sakura realizes, well, NaruSaku is pretty much canon.

The confession, however, most likely won't make NH canon. I can't see it.

Naruto: ''Hinata, I've been doing a lot of thinking lately... I'm like totally in love with you, and I have been for like, evar and don't worry, I've already forgptten about Sakura!

Uh-huh

I'm thinking Hinata will just step aside and let Naruto be with Sakura like she knows he wants to - like when she smiled genuinely at their hug. I don't really see her doing anything else. It would be out of character to me.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH YOU FROOT we got the villagers who saw their hug and for me they favor NARUSAKU and also HINATA She will just step aside

and yeah as many NS members had said, Hinata's confession is for the development of her character not fo NH to be somewhat canon..

[Cupcake-chan]

I don't really believe that Hinata's feelings are, in fact, love, no, I picture it as a friend who admires another. But what I tink is that she's confusing these feelings with real love, but it's not.
And I think it would be really interesting to see something happen that's related to the bench scene.

[Miss Soupy]

I don't really believe that Hinata's feelings are, in fact, love, no, I picture it as a friend who admires another. But what I tink is that she's confusing these feelings with real love, but it's not.
And I think it would be really interesting to see something happen that's related to the bench scene.

I'm pretty sure Hinata LOVES Naruto. I mean she yelled it in the face of death...hard to argue that she doesn't. This is one of those arguments where you would definitely lose to a NaruHina fan and there is no point in denying that she does. That doesn't mean she will end up with Naruto, at all. I mean, we don't like it when NaruHina fans try to tell us Naruto doesn't love Sakura, when he himself has admitted it. Right? XD The way to be a good NaruSaku fan is to read the manga without trying to deny parts because it is simply convenient for our pairing.

[Froot]

I'm pretty sure Hinata LOVES Naruto. I mean she yelled it in the face of death...hard to argue that she doesn't. This is one of those arguments where you would definitely lose to a NaruHina fan and there is no point in denying that she does. That doesn't mean she will end up with Naruto, at all. I mean, we don't like it when NaruHina fans try to tell us Naruto doesn't love Sakura, when he himself has admitted it. Right? XD The way to be a good NaruSaku fan is to read the manga without trying to deny parts because it is simply convenient for our pairing.

Amen to that. As much as I hate to admit... We used to be able to use the ''admiration'' arguement before, well...

But like I said, if NH is going to use chapter 437 as their main arguement, saying ''If NaruSaku happens then Kishimoto will be leaving loose ends!''

But they - and even some of us - seem to forget chapter 3. So, we can say, ''If NaruHina happens then Kishimoto will be leaving loose ends! What about ch. 3? Sakura needs to know that it wasn't Sasuke, but in fact Naruto that told her those words she wanted to hear!''

Because something like that, that hasn't even been mentioned in... oh... 460 chapters has to be explained sooner or later. That said, it's a bigger deal than ch. 437.


....Loooooong post

[Miss Soupy]

Amen to that. As much as I hate to admit... We used to be able to use the ''admiration'' arguement before, well...

But like I said, if NH is going to use chapter 437 as their main arguement, saying ''If NaruSaku happens then Kishimoto will be leaving loose ends!''

But they - and even some of us - seem to forget chapter 3. So, we can say, ''If NaruHina happens then Kishimoto will be leaving loose ends! What about ch. 3? Sakura needs to know that it wasn't Sasuke, but in fact Naruto that told her those words she wanted to hear!''

Because something like that, that hasn't even been mentioned in... oh... 460 chapters has to be explained sooner or later. That said, it's a bigger deal than ch. 437.

I agree! But Naruto's feelings were finally brought up again, when Sai asked him about it. He said he couldn't tell her his feelings if he couldn't even keep his promises. And I know there are those NaruHina fans that will argue it means nothing, that Sakura won't ever return his feelings anyways and he will realize Hinata is perfect for him~~ Buuut, I doubt it. Naruto didn't even acknowledge her confession, which makes it seem silly it was added at all. Not sure why Kishi decided to put the confession in there and then not even have Naruto say anything about it; almost seems cruel to give a sort of false hope to the NaruHina fans. Ah well. The NaruSaku tension will be addressed, you can count on that. The only question is when??

[Valor Grim]

Well, my heart goes out to the NaruHina fans. *sarcasm* As far as when the whole NaruSaku moment will be addresses, I have a feeling that it will happen right after the Kage meeting battle. Naruto is still trapped behind a wooden fence, but when he comes onto the scene, Sasuke (who is getting a good whoopin' from the Raikage) will have even more trouble to deal with. (unless the poor soul flees like the coward he really is!) Sorry, I have come to hate Sasuke with an undying vengeance. :drag: (this is sparta scene from 300, only difference... sasuke is the one getting knocked down a deep, dark hole!)

[Froot]

I agree! But Naruto's feelings were finally brought up again, when Sai asked him about it. He said he couldn't tell her his feelings if he couldn't even keep his promises. And I know there are those NaruHina fans that will argue it means nothing, that Sakura won't ever return his feelings anyways and he will realize Hinata is perfect for him~~ Buuut, I doubt it. Naruto didn't even acknowledge her confession, which makes it seem silly it was added at all. Not sure why Kishi decided to put the confession in there and then not even have Naruto say anything about it; almost seems cruel to give a sort of false hope to the NaruHina fans. Ah well. The NaruSaku tension will be addressed, you can count on that. The only question is when??

True dat. It's like dangling something over a short kid's head. Now, usually I'd say it was fanservice, but... I don't think Kishi's really that flakey. I mean, that's a little bigger than those little NH sprigs he'd throw around here and there as fanservice.

What I think it is, is Kishi putting in a ''much anticipated'' Hinata development moment, for HINATA, not NARUHINA, and the NH fans superoveranalyzed it. I may be wrong, but that's how I see it. (Biased? I don't think so.)

But like I said before, Hinata might just let it die - It would be out of character for her to be like ''I said I lub joo so nao you are myne''

Because remember she smiled at Naruto and Sakura's hug? That was a genuine, happy, satisfied ''I'm over it'' smile. There was absolutely NO evidence of sadness, not even ''her eyebrows being cocked at a slightly 179.9 degree angle to look sad'' like I might see in the NH forums if I went trolling.

She's a sweet girl, she really is. Not selfish at all. So she'll step aside and let Naruto be happy without the guilt trip some NH fans might be hoping she'll give. The only way NH would become canon then would be if Naruto suddenly decided that Sakura was old news and he wasn't in love with her anymore (which recent chapters say he is!)

And, well, you can pretty much expect a NaruSaku moment coming up
It's like waiting for Christmas!

[Valor Grim]

Naruto thinking Sakura is old news!? Have you lost it, man? Where did the whole "I can't tell her I love her because I can't keep a stupid promise!" say that he was getting over her? I have to disagree with you on that one.

[Froot]

Naruto thinking Sakura is old news!? Have you lost it, man? Where did the whole "I can't tell her I love her because I can't keep a stupid promise!" say that he was getting over her? I have to disagree with you on that one.

Saywhatnao?

YOU TRIPPIN! Of course I know Naruto is still in love with Sakura! That was my whole point! I was SAYING, The only way NaruHina would become canon is if Naruto stopped being in love with Sakura

Which he won't.

I know that! I'm a NaruSaku supporter! Hello? Recent chapters have proven it, and I've seen it.

The fact is, Naruto is still in love with Sakura.

That's not going to change. And I know that. Did you read my whole post? Like, really read, or just skim?

I know it was really long...

Edited by Froot, 15 September 2009 - 03:41 AM.

[Valor Grim]

ok. my bad. I guess I just interpreted that wrong. sorry about that! I kinda skimmed it the first time, but now that I read it again, I understand where you were coming from. Sorry!

[Jenskott]

I'm pretty sure Hinata LOVES Naruto. I mean she yelled it in the face of death...hard to argue that she doesn't. This is one of those arguments where you would definitely lose to a NaruHina fan and there is no point in denying that she does. That doesn't mean she will end up with Naruto, at all. I mean, we don't like it when NaruHina fans try to tell us Naruto doesn't love Sakura, when he himself has admitted it. Right? XD The way to be a good NaruSaku fan is to read the manga without trying to deny parts because it is simply convenient for our pairing.

That is completely, absolutely, utterly true. If there're so many shippers blinded to the current happenings, arguing it makes no sense because there's no romantic development between Naruto and Sakura, Naruto loves her like his brother, Sakura has given no hints of being in love with Naruto, Sakura only hits Naruto... is because they have been willfully denying all scenes were inconvenient for their favorite pairing.

I'm very annoyed when Naruto's words in chapters 3 are brought up and a NaruHina fan retorts: "What Naruto knows about love anyways? He has been always alone. How does know what it is love?". It's preposterous. If you're going to question the thoughts and words of Naruto himself then you also can question Hinata's words when she tells she loves him. You can argue the nature and depth of those feelings (True love or teen crush?), but you can't deny their existence.

NaruSaku has always been the obvious canon pairing to me because I never tried denying anything. To me, it was obvious Naruto loved Sakura, Sakura loved Sasuke but was becoming closer to Naruto, Hinata loved Naruto, Lee loved Sakura, Ino loved Sasuke... And I didn't blind myself to inconvenient scenes (moreover, there were no inconvenient scenes for me. I was neutral back then).

The thing is... there were no scenes NH, inconvenient or otherwise. On the other hand, the Naruto/Sakura/Sasuke relationship was developing right like I expected it would do: Naruto kept his feelings for Sakura, Sasuke kept rejecting Sakura, Sakura chased Sasuke but it was going to nowhere and she was beginning to develop feelings for Naruto. And then there were scenes hinting such feelings could go beyond friendship or comradeship.

Again, that's right what I expected when I read chapter 3.

If NS becomes canon, Anti-NS fans can claim all what they want it wasn't developed and it was sudden and OoC. I can swear to God I had seen it coming since the third chapter.

I agree! But Naruto's feelings were finally brought up again, when Sai asked him about it. He said he couldn't tell her his feelings if he couldn't even keep his promises. And I know there are those NaruHina fans that will argue it means nothing, that Sakura won't ever return his feelings anyways and he will realize Hinata is perfect for him~~ Buuut, I doubt it. Naruto didn't even acknowledge her confession, which makes it seem silly it was added at all. Not sure why Kishi decided to put the confession in there and then not even have Naruto say anything about it; almost seems cruel to give a sort of false hope to the NaruHina fans.

As far as I can tell, Kishimoto needed a scapegoat. He needed someone got badly hurt in front of Naruto so his worn-down self-control finally shattered in order to unleash the Fox again and meet his father. And he thought if Hinata confessed, it'd add drama to the scene and it'd close a subplot.

Moreover, if Naruto and Sakura get together, nobody will be able to tell NaruHina would have happened if Hinata would have confessed.

However, now he has done this, he has no more use for Hinata, she has lost any relevance to the main plot and she has faded back in the background. Again.

Honestly, I have a very hard time believing that scene was written in order to set up NH development. If that was Kishimoto's intent, he should have started to show hints for now (scenes where Naruto thanked Hinata for her attempted rescue, Naruto started considering her in a new light...). Instead of that he has penciled more interactions between Naruto and Sakura, has reiterated what Naruto is in love with Sakura (not that he needed) and hasn't shown him even pondering over Hinata's words, has forced Sakura to acknowledge his feelings...

Opposing fans insist on they have a confession whereas we have nothing. I tell that is a good thing in this manga. Direct confessions just DOESN'T work here. Lee confessed Sakura and risked his life for her. Nothing happened And, in fact, Sakura showed him more gratitude and acknowledgment than Naruto has shown to Hinata). Ino embraced Sasuke and proclaimed he was his to his face. Heered to her and... they never interacted again. That was it. Sakura confessed Sasuke (not that she would have hidden her feelings ever), and he turned her down more harshly than usual. Rin confessed Kakashi, but he cut her off and turned her down before she would have finished her sentence. Tsunade turned Jiraiya down...

Considering the set precedents, I'm gladder we got an indirect confession.

[Froot]

ok. my bad. I guess I just interpreted that wrong. sorry about that! I kinda skimmed it the first time, but now that I read it again, I understand where you were coming from. Sorry!

Heehee! That's okay. It was a reaaaallly long post

And it's just as Jenskott said; Lee confessed too, but nothing happened. Why should Hinata be recognized? Lee is a harder worker. Rin was closer to Kakashi. Ino was more upfront. Should Hinata get a better outcome just because she's so popular among the fanbase? Absolutely not.

Just because her moment was a little bigger: But only because it took her so long.

Edited by Froot, 15 September 2009 - 11:35 AM.

[Miss Soupy]

As far as I can tell, Kishimoto needed a scapegoat. He needed someone got badly hurt in front of Naruto so his worn-down self-control finally shattered in order to unleash the Fox again and meet his father. And he thought if Hinata confessed, it'd add drama to the scene and it'd close a subplot.

Moreover, if Naruto and Sakura get together, nobody will be able to tell NaruHina would have happened if Hinata would have confessed.

However, now he has done this, he has no more use for Hinata, she has lost any relevance to the main plot and she has faded back in the background. Again.

Honestly, I have a very hard time believing that scene was written in order to set up NH development. If that was Kishimoto's intent, he should have started to show hints for now (scenes where Naruto thanked Hinata for her attempted rescue, Naruto started considering her in a new light...). Instead of that he has penciled more interactions between Naruto and Sakura, has reiterated what Naruto is in love with Sakura (not that he needed) and hasn't shown him even pondering over Hinata's words, has forced Sakura to acknowledge his feelings...

Opposing fans insist on they have a confession whereas we have nothing. I tell that is a good thing in this manga. Direct confessions just DOESN'T work here. Lee confessed Sakura and risked his life for her. Nothing happened And, in fact, Sakura showed him more gratitude and acknowledgment than Naruto has shown to Hinata). Ino embraced Sasuke and proclaimed he was his to his face. Heered to her and... they never interacted again. That was it. Sakura confessed Sasuke (not that she would have hidden her feelings ever), and he turned her down more harshly than usual. Rin confessed Kakashi, but he cut her off and turned her down before she would have finished her sentence. Tsunade turned Jiraiya down...

Considering the set precedents, I'm gladder we got an indirect confession.

You might be right there, as far as Kishimoto needing a sort of scapegoat. The Japanese love their unrequited love stories, more so than westerners who enjoy their fairy tale endings. You just have to ask which is shaping up to be the unrequited pairings? Is it NaruSaku or NaruHina/SasuSaku? Looking at the manga, we can see a definite trend of a building up moment for NaruSaku. Sakura has grown more and more unsure of her role with Naruto; she is feeling less worthy of being by him (I can only do the dumbest things for him...) while appreciating him more than ever as her teammate (Thank you, Naruto).

On the other hand, Naruto has not changed in his view of Hinata, even though Hinata has stepped it up with a confession. Sakura may still get upset over the mention of Sasuke, but not any more than Naruto himself does. She doesn't go around saying she will save Sasuke because she is in love with him. And Sasuke...well, yeah, he just doesn't care about her in that way; there is no evidence that he does.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

HI GUYs.. my friend got a argument and this post belong to him. He is a Naruhina fan definitely

Today I'm feeling like devil's advocate. Let'sFightingLove gathered a lot of NaruSaku moments from manga. I can't find it now, was it in the deleted post from 2009-09-17, 11:43 ? Anyway, it's only fair to do same thing for NaruHina
So, let's get going.

Chuunin exam - writing part
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/42/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/42/05/

Naruto vs Kiba
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/76/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/76/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/77/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/77/17/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/78/02/
I'd like to point out she gave medicine not only to Naruto, but also to Kiba.

Neji vs Hinata
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/78/17/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/80/01/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/80/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/80/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/80/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/80/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/80/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/81/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/81/08/

Farewell
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/238/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/238/18/
Ok, that's part 1. So, what do we know from here? Hinata has a major crush for Naruto, admires him because of how hard-working guy he was. Naruto, on the other hand, doesn't notice a tiniest bit of that, he treats her just the same way like others. He cheered for her, he did that also for Sakura, and his promise to Neji... He was simply pissed that Neji looked down Hinata and him, i don't see here "love" for Hinata.

On to part 2...
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/282/18/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/282/19/
Wow, that was quick.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/437/14/
http://www.onemanga....ruto/437/16-17/
Ah, yes, finally confession. Ah, yes, finally confession. Tears are flowing into my eyes. She says he changed her for good, and right after confession is being smacked by pain. Naruto "seethed with the worst emotion he'd ever felt". Kind of reasonable after seeing someone who just confessd love to us being severly wounded.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/441/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/441/07/
Here, Naruto worries about Hinata and others, because he knows what Kyuubi could do. Why he mentioned Hinata? Because it was the last person he saw before going ballistic.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/441/01/
Wow, Sakura's face is cool. She's probably trying to sort out her feelings for Naruto now. And fact of Hinata's love seems to be surprising to her..

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/450/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/450/06/
And finally, Hinata's tearing up when he returns, and then.. smiling about hug from Sakura. My explanation is that she accepts fact that Naruto won't love her like she loves him and she decideds to sacrifice her own happiness for him, allowing Sakura to be with him.

After all this, we can see that NaruHina is one-sided relationship. It was at the beggining, and it's same thing now. NaruSaku on the other hand, got some development and is most likely to happen.

.what do you think guys, is it worthy to be a evidence for NH?

Edited by pinkheartsyellowstars, 20 September 2009 - 11:41 AM.

[Froot]

HI GUYs.. my friend got a argument and this post belong to him. He is a Naruhina fan definitely



.what do you think guys, is it worthy to be a evidence for NH?

Half of these shouldn't even be considered moments.

This person doesn't make sense.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

Half of these shouldn't even be considered moments.

This person doesn't make sense.

I agree completely agree with you Froot so this means NH shippers are in DENIAL

[catsi563]

nope all those are evidence of Hinata.

Singular and nothing more.

Ive said it before and ill say it again. in order for there to be true romantic build up their has to be interaction between the two people in question.

all the sequences shown with the exception of the confession are all one sided and in the end played off as friendship more then any romantic moment. they do show Hinata attempting to step out of her shell but for the most part remain one sided.

the only true moments where romantic development could be said to have occured is the conversation she has with him before his fight with Neji, and the confession.

and the confession wasnt even a conversation so much as a moment when Hinata steps up into the big leagues and drops her shell for the sake of Narutos safety.

its more of a Hinata moment that actually happens to feature Naruto.

Hinatas role pretty well was closed when upon Narutos return she smiled brightly at Sakura hugging him and we heard nothing mroe from her at all.

Edited by catsi563, 20 September 2009 - 05:28 PM.

[Hopestar]

I agree completely agree with you Froot so this means NH shippers are in DENIAL

Dude they like been in denial!!!!!!!!!

[Jenskott]

Let's stopping picking on NH fan, guys. Alright?

Anyway, I agree. That list is artificially lenghtened. All of those scenes either don't imply romantic development or it's all on the Hinata's side. Moreover, that person is unable to list one single moment from chapter 80 to chapter 238. Does that person think nothing of it?

I'm sorry, but there're more NS moments implying romantic feelings and/or development, they are more frequent, they are focused on Naruto or Sakura's side (not only on Naruto's side), and they have long-lasting effects (Sakura has trained hard and evolved in order to help Naruto, Naruto restrained himself from using Kyuubi's chakra during over one-hundred thirty-seven chapters, and the Promise of a Lifetime still affects the characters' actions after two hundred seventy chapters. On the other hand, how many times the Blood Oath has been mentioned since Naruto fought Neji, and how much has it affected Naruto?).

Aother yawning-inducing argument is: "NS needs other people to become canon!".

It looks like an evolution/spawn of the "Naruto and Sakura grew closer only because Sasuke left" and "NS moments are always about Sasuke" arguments. It's another absurd nosense, not only because Naruto has loved Sakura since the beginning -and nobody suggested him doing it- and because Sakura's growing feelings are due to NARUTO's actions, and not only because the people uttering that claim also assures there will be SasuSaku because Naruto will bring Sasuke back and hoped Yamato commented on Hinata's feelings, but also because they are ignoring -again- the most basic storytelling rule: the creator/narrator/writer controls EVERYTHING in the story. If Kishimoto wants Naruto and Sakura get together, they SHALL do, regardless the circunstances.

And frankly, given how unsuccesfull direct love confessions are in this manga, I'm happy Naruto confessed Sakura indirectly.

By the way, this argument reminds me of a NS fic I read (I forgot the title, I'm sorry). Sakura reminisces about her old crush and how she believed her and Sasuke's relationship would be the stuff fairy tales are forged from. Then we read one scene where Naruto and Sakura are busy raising their newborn baby (where Sasuke isn't talked about, mentioned or even hinted at all). And Sakura ponders she preffers the reality to her fable-like, old dreams.

One non-NS reviewer stated: "It felt like if the entire story was all about Sasuke. And it was."

Excuse me? How was it about Sasuke? We see Naruto and Sakura behaving like a family and later Sakura thinking she preffers Naruto rather Sasuke.

I repeat: How was it about Sasuke?

I reckon some fans are so convinced of the "NS moments are all Sasuke-based!" argument they see Sasuke everywhere. Even if Naruto or Sakura aren't talking or thinking about Sasuke at all, and Sasuke has nothing to do with what is happening in the moment, anti-NS fans think it's about Sasuke.

It reminded of a comic-book I used to read. The lead pairing -which had been the staple couple since that book's inception- was getting married. A fan that hated that couple claimed even in that issue there were romantic/sexual tension between the lead female and the character he wanted pairing her up with. The thing is... that character didn't show up in that issue! And the female lead never thought of him in the entire story!