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[natalieuciha]

Yeah, I know, but what I saying is now it HAS to be revisited. If it still is ignored and Kishimoto never brings it back up at all, then how can anything make sense at this point. He tapped dances around it for so long now it seems like it is unavoidable.

 

 

Like I said, it is not just Sakura he has screwed over with this and there is no excuse for any of it, but we cannot help that anymore. Despite what some claim, I am still facepalming at Naruto fangirling of Sasuke too and no, there is no excuse for it. I am tired of people saying Naruto is justified when he really isn't.

He has also made Hinata too look nothing more than obsessed weak fangirl. So take some satisfaction that even Hinata is seen as a weak pathetic fangirl too. I hate it all. I hated it ever since this war arc started.

would hinata love a guy who tried to kill her 4 times,try to destroy her self esteem,put her down and ignore her when her life is in danger?this is the question..i give hinata benefit of the doubt ,but i think she wouldnt..thats why she is slightly better than sakura at this point..sakura is just pathetic and delusional to even think she has a small place on sasuke's heart to make him give up for her..but i agree ,sadly hinata is an obsssed naruto fangirl which is such a pity cause she could have been a great char,her backstory,cute/nice personality and good intentions had a lot of potential..unfortunately kishi screwed her up too

Edited by natalieuciha, 26 September 2014 - 07:59 PM.

[Hiraishin]

just a random opinion..i lost all my respect for kakashi as a character..after the last chapter its clear to me that his words in 675 were positive for ss..how can he support an abusive toxic relationship, he was the one who saved sakura countless times when she could have been dead by either sasuke's actions or indiference..plus he never gave much importance or attention to sakura to teach her anything worthy..he is a sh*tty  sensei and he needs either to stfu or join obito and rin..who knows what would  sakura be doing if she wasnt tsunade's student. kishi must be realy tired by his own story...rant over..are the raws out?does anybody know?

Yeah, recently Kakashi's character has let me down. I know he didn't keep it, but giving him Obito's sharingan and a full-fledged Susanoo? Really? He had a sharingan before but he had to train with it, he never fully mastered it, and it strained him and he always felt the after-effects. And vehemently defending Sakura's love, despite knowing it causes her to suffer? Plus all the things you said.. wth kakashi.

[ns.Believe.It]

There is a way for this to be saved and still somewhat make sense. The bench scene. We need the bench scene to really be brought up now. Kishimoto can no longer step around it. Sakura words about "if he still has a soft spot for her somewhere in his heart" really urked me, but it just hit me. When has Sasuke ever has a soft spot for Sakura before? Never, EXCEPT when Naruto dressed up as Sasuke and showed her kindness. That is the only time. I thought this was Sakura being delusional, but it was actually Naruto who tricked her from the beginning. Naruto screwed it up for himself with it.

If that bench scenes comes into play and Sakura realizes that her entire emotional lines was a lie, then maybe...just maybe this can be saved and not be an asspull or bull. MAYBE. Granted, this will not fix everything, but it can somewhat make sense of most of it all and tie back into the story that Kishimoto is trying so desperately to do.

I think this is the best hope we can for this story to make a good ending. Not just for NS, but for everything.

What would be even better is this- Sakura gets out of the genjutsu, she arrives at the Final Valley, kicks Sasuke's b*tt , 

grabs the surprised Naruto by his head , looks deep into his eyes and french kisses him.

[natalieuciha]

He also threaten to kill her master too and she still poured her heart out to him. It won't be believable anymore when she falls out of love with him because he already has given her plenty of opportunities to do so.

 

Attempting to murder her three times won't do.

Threatening to kill konoha citizens won't do.

Threatening to kill her master won't do.

Threatening to kill Naruto won't do.

 

Will really killing her and reviving her will do? I doubt it.

yea  and all this..i subscribe

[James S Cassidy]

He also threaten to kill her master too and she still poured her heart out to him. It won't be believable anymore when she falls out of love with him because he already has given her plenty of opportunities to do so.

 

Attempting to murder her three times won't do.

Threatening to kill konoha citizens won't do.

Threatening to kill her master won't do.

Threatening to kill Naruto won't do.

 

Will really killing her and reviving her will do? I doubt it.

He has also given Naruto plenty of opportunities to not consider Sasuke his "great friend" but he still does it anyway.

Attempted to murder him three times.
Threatening to kill all of Konoha and his friends.
Attempted to kill Sakura several times.
Attempted to let Sakura and Kakashi die.
Attempted to kill Kakashi
Attempted to kill and imprisoned the Tailed beasts.
Attempting to kill him NOW.
And now attempting to enslave the entire world to do his bidding and not care about anyone, but himself.

Naruto has even MORE reasons to let go of Sasuke and he is more stuck on him than Sakura is.
 

would hinata love a guy who tried to kill her 4 times,try to destroy her self esteem,put her down and ignore her when her life is in danger?this is the question..i give hinata benefit of the doubt ,but i think she wouldnt..thats why she is slightly better than sakura at this point..sakura is just pathetic and delusional to even think she has a small place on sasuke's heart to make him give up for her..but i agree ,sadly hinata is an obsssed naruto fangirl which is such a pity cause she could have been a great char,her backstory,cute/nice personality and good intentions had a lot of potential..unfortunately kishi screwed her up too

Yes, actually. With the way Kishi writes romance and his style of it, would you really be surprised if it was Hinata doing this? I wouldn't.

Just because it is a different girl doesn't mean the love style would change.



 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 26 September 2014 - 08:07 PM.

[elmas]

I was trying to be calm and I said I won't write here but some users are bashing right now and it's not a good thing.Sorry but this thread is made for us to share our opinions,feelings,predictions NOT to bash something.Almost 100 pages and we're overreacting right now.Let's wait and see.

[natalieuciha]

He has also given Naruto plenty of opportunities to not consider Sasuke his "great friend" but he still does it anyway.

Attempted to murder him three times.
Threatening to kill all of Konoha and his friends.
Attempted to kill Sakura several times.
Attempted to let Sakura and Kakashi die.
Attempted to kill Kakashi
Attempted and imprisoned to kill the Tailed beasts.
Attempting to kill him NOW.
And now attempting to enslave the entire world to do his bidding and no care about anyone, but himself.

Naruto has even MORE reasons to let go of Sasuke and he is more stuck on him than Sakura is.
 

Yes, actually. With the way Kishi writes romance and his style of it, would you really be surprised if it was Hinata doing this? I wouldn't.

Just because it is a different girl doesn't mean the love style would change.



 

i gave sakura benefit of the dout too until this chapter...it would be fair for us not to be influenced by bias or char dislikes and give all of them  benefit of the doubt until their complete self destruction

[NarutoIzDaMan]

There is a way for this to be saved and still somewhat make sense. The bench scene. We need the bench scene to really be brought up now. Kishimoto can no longer step around it. Sakura words about "if he still has a soft spot for her somewhere in his heart" really urked me, but it just hit me. When has Sasuke ever has a soft spot for Sakura before? Never, EXCEPT when Naruto dressed up as Sasuke and showed her kindness. That is the only time. I thought this was Sakura being delusional, but it was actually Naruto who tricked her from the beginning. Naruto screwed it up for himself with it.

 

I agree that this could be a possibility but I just thought of a more plausible one - Sakura is forced to choose between Naruto or Sasuke right at the very end of their battle. 

 

For example - Naruto and Sasuke are both in very bad shape by the end of their fight and Sakura (assuming she wakes up by then) has to choose which one to help first. If she chooses to help Naruto first and explains to him that he is the person that truly makes her happy THEN this whole thing could easily be salvaged. Basically, ACTIONS speak louder than words and if Sakura can show Naruto that he is the person that she wants to be with then there is still hope for NaruSaku happening in a good way.

Edited by NarutoIzDaMan, 26 September 2014 - 08:13 PM.

[LuckyChi7]

There is a way for this to be saved and still somewhat make sense. The bench scene. We need the bench scene to really be brought up now. Kishimoto can no longer step around it. Sakura words about "if he still has a soft spot for her somewhere in his heart" really urked me, but it just hit me. When has Sasuke ever has a soft spot for Sakura before? Never, EXCEPT when Naruto dressed up as Sasuke and showed her kindness. That is the only time. I thought this was Sakura being delusional, but it was actually Naruto who tricked her from the beginning. Naruto screwed it up for himself with it.

If that bench scenes comes into play and Sakura realizes that her entire emotional lines was a lie, then maybe...just maybe this can be saved and not be an asspull or bull. MAYBE. Granted, this will not fix everything, but it can somewhat make sense of most of it all and tie back into the story that Kishimoto is trying so desperately to do.

I think this is the best hope we can for this story to make a good ending. Not just for NS, but for everything.
 

The other half of the Kyuubi is still in Naruto. Yes, Sasuke can genjutsu the tailed beast, but he cannot genjutsu the tailed beats inside it;s jinchuuriki. Even Madara couldn't do that. That's why Naruto can fight it.

 

 

You know that's something I've kept in the back of my mind for long time. The Bench Scene is the only other moment I can see that gives Sakura the notion that Sasuke has a soft side. This moment is the only thing can help fix the story compare to where it currently stands. Something tells me that this scene will probably come up while Sakura is trapped within the genjutsu I mean the way it's set up right now works. Since Kishi's been referencing a lot of things to Part 1 it would be perfect to this one event up. I will also agree that it's Naruto who screwed that up. 

Edited by LuckyChi7, 26 September 2014 - 08:13 PM.

[luffyq1]

He has also given Naruto plenty of opportunities to not consider Sasuke his "great friend" but he still does it anyway.

Attempted to murder him three times.
Threatening to kill all of Konoha and his friends.
Attempted to kill Sakura several times.
Attempted to let Sakura and Kakashi die.
Attempted to kill Kakashi
Attempted and imprisoned to kill the Tailed beasts.
Attempting to kill him NOW.
And now attempting to enslave the entire world to do his bidding and no care about anyone, but himself.

Naruto has even MORE reasons to let go of Sasuke and he is more stuck on him than Sakura is.

I agree. But Sakura wasn't nearly as close to Sasuke as Naruto was and she has never even gotten close to the level of respect and recognition that Naruto once had, yet she still loves him. Sakura needs to let go of Sasuke more than Naruto because of these very reasons. 

Edited by luffyq1, 26 September 2014 - 08:15 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

I agree. But Sakura wasn't nearly as close to Sasuke as Naruto was and she has never even gotten close to the level of respect and recognition that Naruto once had, yet she still loves him. Sakura needs needs to let go of Sasuke more than Naruto because of these very reasons.

Sasuke and Naruto were close?

[luffyq1]

Sasuke and Naruto were close?

Compared to Sakura and Sasuke? Sure.

[James S Cassidy]

i gave sakura benefit of the dout too until this chapter...it would be fair for us not to be influenced by bias or char dislikes and give all of them  benefit of the doubt until their complete self destruction

This is coming from a person whose only criticisms are about Sakura and only Sakura especially when she is not the only person Kishi has screwed over.

I am not being biased at all. Far from it. I took my pairing goggles off and are now looking at this from a Naruto fan's POV. Every character has been screwed over. Just because the sins are different does not mean those sins can be ignored. It's just different sins.

It has come down to this: It's all about Sasuke and everyone is on board. I have been saying this for a long time, but people confuse it with me being purely Sasuke hatred. Nobody understood why I hated Sasuke in the first place, they think I just despise him, but there is a reason why I hate him. He is a cancer on the series and Kishimoto pays him so much attention that every character not only stops development, but has shown to regress backwards.
 

 

I agree that this could be a possibility but I just thought of a more plausible one - Sakura is forced to choose between Naruto or Sasuke right at the very end of their battle. 

 

For example - Naruto and Sasuke are both in very bad shape by the end of their fight and Sakura (assuming she wakes up by then) has to choose which one to help first. If she chooses to help Naruto first and explains to him that he is the person that truly makes her happy THEN this whole thing could easily be salvaged. Basically, ACTIONS speak louder than words and if Sakura can show Naruto that he is the person that she wants to be with then there is still hope for NaruSaku happening in a good way.

Why not do it all? Make a big grand finale that no one can argue with. No one can say anything. Make it all happen. The bench scene, this, everything. Don't stop until it is all answered....and then when NS becomes canon...noone can argue it. They can try, but in the end they will just look like butthurt biased fans because of it.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 26 September 2014 - 08:19 PM.

[Nate River]

Since this chapter, I find myself agreeing to every single word you're saying. Which is strange because you hate Sasuke and I like him.

But I actually agree with you. Sasuke's existence, or more likely the way Everything is centered around him damaged this manga. He shouldn't have existed for the sole reason that Kishi can't handle the characters and stories surrounding Sasuke properly.

I agree with the last line. Handling it properly is the real issue. Not Sasuke's personal presence.

It's the redemption. Redeeming people who have done the awful things most of these villains have done is ugly, messy, fraught with problems, and may not be possible. But rather than take these issues on and deal with them he either avoids them entirely or, in Sasuke's case does that AND characters shields like crazy. So many characters are so oblivious and irrational to some rather atrocious behavior.

The errors with Sasuke he had been making all across Part 2. Sasuke's is just the most prevalent.

[ramenanmitsu]

Compared to Sakura and Sasuke? Sure.

Yeah, compared to Sakura and Sasuke they were. But it's like comparing Coca Cola to Pepsi. Naruto's obsession towards Sasuke is still unbelievable to me. NaruSasu being comparatively closer than SasuSaku doesn't really make them close.

Don't mistake me. I agree Sakura should have gotten over Sasuke by now. At the same time, Naruto should also realize that Sasuke isn't his friend anymore.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 26 September 2014 - 08:21 PM.

[elmas]

Sasuke and Naruto were close?

They have a different bond unlike Sakura and Sasuke.Sure Sasuke and Sakura have a bond but N-S bond is stronger.

 

I agree. But Sakura wasn't nearly as close to Sasuke as Naruto was and she has never even gotten close to the level of respect and recognition that Naruto once had, yet she still loves him. Sakura needs to let go of Sasuke more than Naruto because of these very reasons. 

I totally agree with you.I just wait for the day she will be respected by Sasuke.That day will never come though

Edited by elmas, 26 September 2014 - 08:19 PM.

[natalieuciha]

This is coming from a person whose only criticisms are about Sakura and only Sakura especially when she is not the only person Kishi has screwed over.

I am not being biased at all. Far from it. I took my pairing goggles off and are now looking at this from a Naruto fan's POV. Every character has been screwed over. Just because the sins are different does not mean those sins can be ignored. It's just different sins.

It has come down to this: It's all about Sasuke and everyone is on board. I have been saying this for a long time, but people confuse it with me being purely Sasuke hatred. Nobody understood why I hated Sasuke in the first place, they think I just despise him, but there is a reason why I hate him. He is a cancer on the series and Kishimoto pays him so much attention that every character not only stops development, but has shown to regress backwards.
 

Why not do it all? Make a big grand finale that no one can argue with. No one can say anything. Make it all happen. The bench scene, this, everything. Don't stop until it is all answered....and then when NS becomes canon...noone can argue it. They can try, but in the end they will just look like butthurt biased fans because of it.

what should i talk about in the 693 chapter thread?all the characters kishi screwed up when the chapter is only focusing on team 7 and no one else?..i criticized kakashi too

[NarutoIzDaMan]

Why not do it all? Make a big grand finale that no one can argue with. No one can say anything. Make it all happen. The bench scene, this, everything. Don't stop until it is all answered....and then when NS becomes canon...noone can argue it. They can try, but in the end they will just look like butthurt biased fans because of it.

 

Agreed/

[James S Cassidy]

I agree. But Sakura wasn't nearly as close to Sasuke as Naruto was and she has never even gotten close to the level of respect and recognition that Naruto once had, yet she still loves him. Sakura needs to let go of Sasuke more than Naruto because of these very reasons. 

The same could be said for Ino and Hinata and yet they are still obsessed too. So again, don't only look at what Sakura has done.
 

what should i talk about in the 693 chapter thread?all the characters kishi screwed up when the chapter is only focusing on team 7 and no one else?..i criticized kakashi too

Why not talk about everything, and I do mean everything, that has lead up to this point and how none of it makes sense because of what this chapter did.

People are talking like they are real people and they are not. Sakura, Naruto, Sasuke...they are not real. They are the mind of a man who apparently has lost something along the way. He is either a super writing genius or a complete wacko who can't write romance to save his life. If Sakura was a real person...or if Naruto was a real person...I bet you money even they would scream "WTF?"

It's like The Dark Knight Rises story where the actors might find problems with the script. Gary Oldman, one of our greatest actors, probably had a beat like "I have to be surprised that Batman is Bruce Wayne at the end? Any logical person could have figured this out a long time ago."

Edited by James S Cassidy, 26 September 2014 - 08:30 PM.

[elmas]

what should i talk about in the 693 chapter thread?all the characters kishi screwed up when the chapter is only focusing on team 7 and no one else?..i criticized kakashi too

You don't need to criticize.You can talk about upcoming N-S fight,you can share your predictions.