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[Inferno180]

@Inferno180 You have to remember that quite a bit of the NH fanbase are Hinata fans. Or at least the fans I encounter and Hinata fans first, NH fans second. So there is obviously going to be some of their bias leaking into their arguements. I always say the same thing whenever I see some crazy theory about Hinata getting a powerup, or her being the reincarnation of the SO6P's wife (crazy, I know ). Why? Whether you like it or not, Hinata has no real impact on the major points of the story (Sasuke, the War, bringing peace to the world). Yes, she is an extremely popular side-character, but does popularity = importance? Hell no. Sometimes you just have to take off your fanboy glasses and look at the story objectively.

I just get tired of NH fans claiming NaruHina is canon, when Naruto has shown no signs of having any romantic attraction to anybody other than Sakura. I can understand having confidence, but when you start to see things that aren't really there... you just get a lot of problems.

On a different topic, I find it interesting that SK and NS have been given the spotlight the last few chapters. I know many of you dislike/doubt the legitimacy of SK, but it makes sense when considering the Light vs. Darkness and Naruto vs Sasuke parallels. Also, neither of the moments have been that large, but I don't think it is a coincidence that both of these pairings have been reintroduced at about the same time.

I know there are rational fans, just this is why I avoid debating with them, its just not worth the effort over something so pointless. It would be better to debate about action events or something rather than silly pairings.

[FrenchMyToast]

I know there are rational fans, just this is why I avoid debating with them, its just not worth the effort over something so pointless. It would be better to debate about action events or something rather than silly pairings.

Mhm... the problem with debating about pairings is that whether you are a rational fan or a "fanboy," the one thing most pairing fans share is being stubborn (the good stubborn and the bad stubborn) and not being swayed at all, no matter how solid an argument was presented. In the end, it's all just our own interpretations of the manga, and all debates eventually go around in circles. But still, I enjoy talking about NaruSaku with you guys, which is why I'm on these forums, it's just that I almost never confront NH fans on other forums, Facebook, YouTube, etc... It's not really worth it in the end.

Plus, I'm very confident in NS, so I think my time is better spend here than on YT where almost every Naruto video has at least 5 Sakura-bashing comments.

[Don-kun]

@Inferno180 You have to remember that quite a bit of the NH fanbase are Hinata fans. Or at least the fans I encounter and Hinata fans first, NH fans second. So there is obviously going to be some of their bias leaking into their arguments. I always say the same thing whenever I see some crazy theory about Hinata getting a powerup, or her being the reincarnation of the SO6P's wife (crazy, I know ). Why? Whether you like it or not, Hinata has no real impact on the major points of the story (Sasuke, the War, bringing peace to the world). Yes, she is an extremely popular side-character, but does popularity = importance? Hell no. Sometimes you just have to take off your fanboy glasses and look at the story objectively.

I just get tired of NH fans claiming NaruHina is canon, when Naruto has shown no signs of having any romantic attraction to anybody other than Sakura. I can understand having confidence, but when you start to see things that aren't really there... you just get a lot of problems.

On a different topic, I find it interesting that SK and NS have been given the spotlight the last few chapters. I know many of you dislike/doubt the legitimacy of SK, but it makes sense when considering the Light vs. Darkness and Naruto vs Sasuke parallels. Also, neither of the moments have been that large, but I don't think it is a coincidence that both of these pairings have been reintroduced at about the same time.

That's definitely my problem when debating against NH fans since I cannot argue against fabrication or someone telling me that I'm in denial because Naruto already started to consider his feelings for Hinata and NS is already dead, you cannot argue against that, worst when there isn't any evidence to back up their claim but sadly the majority of the fans seems to agree with the personal opinion that are being used has fact.
Honestly at the end of the day NH will just become another Harry Potter pairing where until the date fans still disagree with the outcome of the story mostly because they believed so much in their personal opinion that they ignore every evidence against their claims.


About the bold part let just agree to disagree with your statement on NS and SK since I know the development for NS is there but the pairing is on a long Pause mode since 469 without including any parallel.

Edited by Don-kun, 11 May 2013 - 03:45 AM.

[Inferno180]

That's definitely my problem when debating against NH fans since I cannot argue against fabrication or someone telling me that I'm in denial because Naruto already started to consider his feelings for Hinata and NS is already dead, you cannot argue against that, worst when there isn't any evidence to back up their claim but sadly the majority of the fans seems to agree with the personal opinion that are being used has fact.
Honestly at the end of the day NH will just become another Harry Potter pairing where until the date fans still disagree with the outcome of the story mostly because they believed so much in their personal opinion that they ignore every evidence against their claims.


About the bold part let just agree to disagree with your statement on NS and SK since I know the development for NS is there but the pairing is on a long Pause mode since 469 without including any parallel.

It becomes a system of mental gymnastics, a claim with no evidence is either a lie or opinion, you cannot argue against an opinion but its a popular opinion or mob mentality people stick too no matter what is the revealed truth. The truth in NS is that it is still alive yet some NH fans in this case say its dead despite nothing showing it.

[FrenchMyToast]

About the bold part let just agree to disagree with your statement on NS and SK since I know the development for NS is there but the pairing is on a long Pause mode since 469 without including any parallel.

I can understand how you feel about NS not really having moments, but what I meant was that Kishi reestablished these two pairings. He's basically put them back on the table, when it was all NH for a majority of the war. I think it's quite genius, really. When Sasuke enters the battlefield, Kishi will have oppurtunities to give SasuSaku, NaruSaku, NaruHina, and SasukeKarin some development. Of course, I have my fingers crossed for NS, but we'll see.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, NH just got two and knowing this is the last arc, or at least last for side characters (not too sure yet), it's acceptable, especially if they don't really move story but whatever. It's always best to wait for the ending. I mean imagine if this manga goes the same route as Avatar The Last Airbender last four episodes. If you remember, it felt like there's no more development in romance wise and then, the ending happens to end with those two. I'm not saying it will happen but it's possible that you just have to wait until the end for pairing closure. Granted it may be obvious for fans, or at least me, but it's rather funny to favor the fans for ZuTara if you remember the final battle. So yeah, but who knows, maybe NS is on the horizon because plot is moving and maybe it will finally happen.

[rocci]

Well, NH just got two and knowing this is the last arc, or at least last for side characters (not too sure yet), it's acceptable, especially if they don't really move story but whatever. It's always best to wait for the ending. I mean imagine if this manga goes the same route as Avatar The Last Airbender last four episodes. If you remember, it felt like there's no more development in romance wise and then, the ending happens to end with those two. I'm not saying it will happen but it's possible that you just have to wait until the end for pairing closure. Granted it may be obvious for fans, or at least me, but it's rather funny to favor the fans for ZuTara if you remember the final battle. So yeah, but who knows, maybe NS is on the horizon because plot is moving and maybe it will finally happen.

I believe if tobi is not obito, sakura don't get this kind of treatment.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I believe if tobi is not obito, sakura don't get this kind of treatment.

You mean like if the path wasn't obvious such as Tobi being Obito, NS would be in yellow zone instead?

[rocci]

You mean like if the path wasn't obvious such as Tobi being Obito, NS would be in yellow zone instead?

No, I mean if tobi is not obito than we didn't need rin as a motive to drive obito crazy. Especially when it confirm in the recent chapter, that obito is naruto parallel. Even his situation is same with naruto in kakashi gaiden.
The same goofy who has rival with cool guy of the team, while love the girl who love the cool guy.
And come chapter 599 tell the early life of obito and rin impact plus there are no text except the last page.

Now tell me if obito descend to madness come from rin death, than what will happen to sakura? She dead or the role give Hinata(I know you read this forum kishi ) instead sakura who is a medic in team who loved by the goofy, just like rin. So in other word if obito indeed madara we will not see the importance of rin and sakura need not to put sideline. But this is just my guess.
Hope you understand, sorry for my English

[Don-kun]

Off Topic.

The question might sound silly but does anyone believe the title of chapter 628 have anything to do with Sakura returning to the main scene and will always be there, I find it funny that the title was named Here and from now on the same moment Sakura was featured in the Manga again.

What your take on this guys.

[Nostradamus]

I want to ask you guys/girls a question. Now I do plan on replying to do responses I received on the viz forum. I haven’t responded because I was busy and to be honest after reading their comments I just didn’t even know how to respond to such nonsense without going to them and slapping them over the head. For a while I was thinking about creating another one of my “rants” about Naruto, Sakura, Hinata the parings, now for anyone who read my ultimate rant knows that’s really long. I plan on making a new one that’s going to be connected to my first one like an add-on and it’s going to be pretty long since that’s the way I like to write. My question for you is would you like to see it? Would you read it? Would you even care?
Let me know.

[Chatte]

Sorry to interrupt but... today I just remembered that thing with Hinata is like Minato. Funny how it's... not!
When Sakura isn't like Kushina, she's definitely acting like Minato.



It's funny how both Naruto and Sakura are a mixture of Minato and Kushina. When they're not like one they're like the other one, hehe.

@Nostradamus: I am in for it of course! And btw, I wrote a rant explaining the difference between the hand holding and the hug. Why the latter is romantic and the hand holding it's not.

Edited by Chatte, 11 May 2013 - 12:21 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sorry to interrupt but... today I just remembered that thing with Hinata is like Minato. Funny how it's... not!
When Sakura isn't like Kushina, she's definitely acting like Minato.



It's funny how both Naruto and Sakura are a mixture of Minato and Kushina. When they're not like one they're like the other one, hehe.

@Nostradamus: I am in for it of course! And btw, I wrote a rant explaining the difference between the hand holding and the hug. Why the latter is romantic and the hand holding it's not.

She's like Minato because well Minato doesnt have a complex personality, she's smart like him, and Minato personality is basically the fact he's smart, now Kushina she does have a lot of traits, Sakura is a tsundere but is smart as Minato, Naruto is smart in battle like his father but is "dumb" like his mother was "she took the same scores as Naruto on the school".
She does have a mix of both personalities and also Naruto too.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2013 - 12:34 PM.

[Chatte]

She's like Minato because well Minato doesnt have a complex personality, she's smart like him, and Minato personality is basically the fact he's smart, now Kushina she does have a lot of traits, Sakura is a tsundere but is smart as Minato, Naruto is smart in battle like his father but is "dumb" like his mother was "she took the same scores as Naruto on the school".
She does have a mix of both personalities and also Naruto too.

Exactly. And I love how Kishi draws them this way like leaving puzzles here and there.

[sushi.]

Sakura is Minato when she's not angry XD

[HauntedCake]

Sakura is Minato when she's not angry XD

And she kushina when she is

[TouKen4Life3g]

Wow, a lot of them I want to reply. Here we go.

No, I mean if tobi is not obito than we didn't need rin as a motive to drive obito crazy. Especially when it confirm in the recent chapter, that obito is naruto parallel. Even his situation is same with naruto in kakashi gaiden.
The same goofy who has rival with cool guy of the team, while love the girl who love the cool guy.
And come chapter 599 tell the early life of obito and rin impact plus there are no text except the last page.

Now tell me if obito descend to madness come from rin death, than what will happen to sakura? She dead or the role give Hinata(I know you read this forum kishi ) instead sakura who is a medic in team who loved by the goofy, just like rin. So in other word if obito indeed madara we will not see the importance of rin and sakura need not to put sideline. But this is just my guess.
Hope you understand, sorry for my English

Oh I understand. Your English is good. That said I get what you mean there. Well, I always say that pairing being highlighted has not happened until it's connected to the plot. Can the parallel acknowledgement of ObiRin/NaruSaku be dismissed? Yes, it's possible. We don't know what will come next for Obito.

Off Topic.

The question might sound silly but does anyone believe the title of chapter 628 have anything to do with Sakura returning to the main scene and will always be there, I find it funny that the title was named Here and from now on the same moment Sakura was featured in the Manga again.

What your take on this guys.

Well, I see it as "The true fun begins" as in more entertaining for us.

Sorry to interrupt but... today I just remembered that thing with Hinata is like Minato. Funny how it's... not!
When Sakura isn't like Kushina, she's definitely acting like Minato.



It's funny how both Naruto and Sakura are a mixture of Minato and Kushina. When they're not like one they're like the other one, hehe.

@Nostradamus: I am in for it of course! And btw, I wrote a rant explaining the difference between the hand holding and the hug. Why the latter is romantic and the hand holding it's not.

Honestly, NS can't be any more better with these set of attributes/characteristics/personalities. It just works.

I would love to read your post, Nostradamus.

She's like Minato because well Minato doesnt have a complex personality, she's smart like him, and Minato personality is basically the fact he's smart, now Kushina she does have a lot of traits, Sakura is a tsundere but is smart as Minato, Naruto is smart in battle like his father but is "dumb" like his mother was "she took the same scores as Naruto on the school".
She does have a mix of both personalities and also Naruto too.

Seriously, this pairing just can't be dismissed. It can happen but it will be the worst of the worst. It will be like wrestling all over again.

[Inferno180]

NS is too far developed to become nothing, people act like Hinata should just get a free pass. Why should Hinata be the only one who had her initial love come to be real, I mean isn't Naruto's role as a hero to succeed where others failed? Why should he still fail with Sakura? I'm pretty sure it would make sense for him to have a good ending with her despite where Jiriaya failed with Tsunade and Tsunade was completely upset over his death and obviously the same with Obito over Rin even for Rins reasons to die. Not to mention the biggest deal about NS, its how Sakura herself acted more and more open and friendly with Naruto despite her loving Sasuke and that possibility of her to turn to Naruto could still happen. Yet people claim its impossible for Sakura to change, they act like her character development will not change. She loves Sasuke yes, I can only say that 540 has it as dramatic suspense. But Sakura cannot keep her old crush on Sasuke, her character needs to come to maturity. But many fans say she will not change. If Sakura does not change, this harms her character. Anything that makes Sakura look bad makes Hinata look even worse and yet most do not realize this.

I know Hinata won't die due to the character shields I said before, character shields mean anything in a fictional story that keeps them from dying, sometimes its simply a position of being a main character (Team 7) , other times its other characters who die in place of others (Neji for Hinata, Shikamaru and Inos fathers for them), there are many character shields in place, but at any time these can be removed or bypassed to trigger a character death.

I mean right now with the ten tails stronger, Naruto down, and the alliance without protection, all they can do is hold on until both Naruto finishes gathering chakra and Sakura finishes healing him. Now cause Sakura is literally on top of Naruto right now, it could be easy to imagine a situation in which the ten tails unleashes an attack again that devastates the alliance but due to both Naruto's timing and again Sakura's luck, he manages to save her. Would not be suprised if Sakura is the only one or so he manages to save in a quick action.

Really no idea if the next chapter will do a half and half one like 629 did and most likely we are going back to kakashi vs obito, but once we get back to the ten tails, either the allaince is trying or Naruto is already up and running with Sakura finished too. Plus the situation for Sakura healing him is appropriate, yes Naruto could heal himself but it causes harm when its too much plus he ran out of kurama's chakra, thats what is used to heal him. Kurama can take a breather leaving the healing to Sakura.

[Canadian_DJ]

I want to ask you guys/girls a question. Now I do plan on replying to do responses I received on the viz forum. I haven’t responded because I was busy and to be honest after reading their comments I just didn’t even know how to respond to such nonsense without going to them and slapping them over the head. For a while I was thinking about creating another one of my “rants” about Naruto, Sakura, Hinata the parings, now for anyone who read my ultimate rant knows that’s really long. I plan on making a new one that’s going to be connected to my first one like an add-on and it’s going to be pretty long since that’s the way I like to write. My question for you is would you like to see it? Would you read it? Would you even care?
Let me know.

Ohh hey man!!! how've ya been??? Coincidince is that yesterday I was like "man...I wish nostradamus can make another one of those rants...."

Would I read it? Would I even care? Would I LIKE IT??????

OFCOARSE I WOULD!!!!!!!! PLEASE MAKE ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE LOGIC PACKED BADASS RANTS!!!! and yes, I read your long ass rant!!!!!!! Three times already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Looking forward to it!!!

Oh and chatte, would you mind posting the link you wrote highlighting how the ns hugs are romantic and the handholding wasn't? Even thoughbi know, but it'd be nice to read it from your perspective

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 11 May 2013 - 02:33 PM.

[Chatte]

@CanadianDJ: sure, here it is: http://chatte-georgi...-type-of-nh-fan