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[Catra]

[Tiller]

I like the old fan art where Sakura was helping Naruto deal with his paper work as Hokage, well Naruto just has a big smile on his face. Instead we get the alcoholic who doesn't really like his job.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I like to think she accepted it but retcon kicked in.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Yes I mean the hug scene, it was done to show the readers the end pairing and to show that Hinata would be happy if Naruto doesn't return her feelings. She accepted that Naruto and Sakura had a thing but her fans couldn't accept it.

However that scene does not matter anymore so it's pointless talking about it. Just like everything in this story. All of it for nothing.

If I ever meet Kishimoto I'm going to punch him in the face. Yes I know it's aggressive but he really pissed me off.

Not to mention showing Hinata thinking to herself that, after the war was over, she would stop chasing Naruto.

 

But Kishi is the author and therefore has the final say on characters. He holds creator rights. I wouldn't go so far as to assault him but the bottom line is that he has final say. People are going to develop strong opinions on his work, that is just the way it is and of course these people are going to have varying levels of influence depending on their relationship with the writer but when you write a story that intends to send a certain message to others it is not a very flexible thing. It is a chain built link by link. Remove a certain link and replace with an un-planned part of the chain and the entire thing falls apart.

 

One thing was accepted by the majority of the fandom, that Narusaku was the most likely pairing, (Hell even Sawyer admitted that when he did his pairing analysis videos.) So what does that mean for Kishi now that the un-expected has happened?

 

1. He caved for monetary reasons

 

2. He caved for popularity reasons

 

I don't buy the idea that NH/SS was endgame because as a writer myself the way things were written and played out those two outcomes made absolutely zero sense. The largest reason for this is the simple fact that in the entirety of the series after several clear hints and declarations about which girl he is actually interested in Naruto never clearly gets over Sakura. No mention of not liking her, no show of disinterest, not even a mention that he likes Hinata more. Nothing. Another reason. Naruto clearly states to Sai that he won't mention his feelings until he returns Sasuke and fulfills his promise of a lifetime. No mention of this at all after Sasuke turns good. And yes the main point of the LOI arc was that he was released from Sakura's promise, (though technically he said that while her promise was important he was doing it to also save Sasuke.) It also could be argued that after the LOI Naruto perhaps realized that Sakura would never move on and he himself had moved on especially coupled with 615( which would be a good move if the ending we got was endgame) But then he introduces 631 which infers the opposite where despite him calling her confession fake he calls her his girlfriend. And as if to screw things up further, whenever Sakura shows Sasuke attention Naruto got jealous during the War arc.

 

Finally, the excuse of "you just loved me for a rivalry" or Kishi's excuse that he sucks at romance is bullcrap. It's bullcrap and all I need is one panel to prove it.

 

This scene is perfect. It's not a simple expression of romance but a complex expression of romance. What is the childish thing to do in this situation if you are Naruto? Just look at any cartoon where two characters have a rivalry over a female, or better yet look at Naruto in the beginning of the series. This isn't a boring expression of romance, it's a mature expression. It expresses both Naruto's maturity and the nature of his feelings for Sakura. It takes maturity to walk away when you know that you just aren't the one at the time. It takes patience. It's selflessness. And as if weaving a quilt several panels later we see Sakura offer Sasuke an apple and Sasuke just throws it onto the ground and trashes her gift. That's not spur of the moment writing, that's planned. It shows the difference between Naruto and Sakura's relationship and Sasuke and Sakura's relationship and because it is executed so well it works big time.

 

 

And that is why Kishi deserves the blame. Sure it's easy to see that SP were huge Hinata fanboys bc of her Yamato-Nadeshiko nature but that happens no matter what you do as a writer. It's just human nature to like different things and the majority will always prefer the submissive character bc he/she is portayed as a victim and is therefore the easy route. It's the same reason people like puppies and kittens, they're small and cute. (But not me because I'm a manly man) . But it is the duty of the author to stay the course of his story no matter what the influence because he holds the final say and he has chosen these plot elements for a reason. When he caves he might as well make the fanbase the authors and is essentially handing the wheel over to several people who all want to take the story in different random directions. In one episode Hinata holds her own in Pain, in another episode she's shy and timid, the next episode she smacks naruto and tells him to man up, in another episode she does a naked dance on a lake at night, next she gains lion fists, then she gains golden byakugan goddess powers.

 

All because the author does not protect his beautiful quilt and in the end it is left in tatters from the destructive biased hands of the fandumb.

Kishi may as well have been like one of countless fanfiction authors I see that, at the end of almost every chapter of their fanfic, they leave an author's note asking people what they think they should do next, leaving polls for voting and whatnot, whether it be for the situation, pairings, or whatever, rather than simply just do the story their own way and screw those who hate it simply because it's not the exact way they wanted it to go..

[Catra]

cinemasins addition

 

fugly designs

 

naruto fangirls

 

naruto being retconed into not knowing what love is

 

"hyuuga princess"

 

knocking hanabi down to make hinata look better

 

hinata not being a ninja

 

retconned flashbacks

 

genjutsu brainwash

 

iruka's "who'd you spend time with on your last day" question

 

shoujo kiss in front of the moon

 

kurama writing on the moon

 

fighting on the moon

 

toneri

 

tenseigan another bs eyeball

 

cookie fetish

 

a freaking cannon

 

sakura's "because you didn't want to lose to him"

 

suddenly sakura and hinata are bff's

 

sakura and shikamaru belittling naruto for simply not catering to hinata

 

naruto gives up

 

hamura power up

 

kushina's retonned fugly scarf

 

funeral marriage

 

selfies

 

neglectful father!naruto is canon

 

knitting even after they fked

Edited by Catra, 14 September 2015 - 02:09 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

cinemasins addition

 

fugly designs

 

naruto fangirls

 

naruto being retconed into not knowing what love is

 

"hyuuga princess"

 

knocking hanabi down to make hinata look better

 

hinata not being a ninja

 

retconned flashbacks

 

genjutsu brainwash

 

iruka's "who'd you spend time with on your last day" question

 

shoujo kiss in front of the moon

 

kurama writing on the moon

 

fighting on the moon

 

toneri

 

tenseigan another bs eyeball

 

cookie fetish

 

a freaking cannon

 

sakura's "because you didn't want to lose to him"

 

suddenly sakura and hinata are bff's

 

sakura and shikamaru belittling naruto for simply not catering to hinata

 

naruto gives up

 

hamura power up

 

kushina's retonned fugly scarf

 

funeral marriage

 

selfies

 

neglectful father!naruto is canon

 

knitting even after they fked

 

Did they do one of their honest trailers for this???? :3https://www.youtube....h?v=OUTWHDtnHbQ

 

- A rant of why The Last sucked from some guys who saw it in February.

[Catra]

no but this guy tells it like it is

[MangaReader]

no but this guy tells it like it is

You mean our resident wise cracking, badass James S Cassidy : )

[Hanabi]

 

 

The recent translation of The Last novel says Naruto felt guilty because he couldn't tell the difference between Hinata's love for him and his love for ramen. And he believed he should be punished.

 baka can't recognize love if it's served up on a silver platter. stupid baka. totally deserved to be punished for such sins.

[Luna]

 baka can't recognize love if it's served up on a silver platter. stupid baka. totally deserved to be punished for such sins.

kittening awful. Piss poor attempt at romance

[Nostradamus]

Yeah you have to really be a moron to actually believe the lie that Naruto the character that understands human emotion better than anyone, doesn't know the difference between food love and romantic love.

That line is nothing more than a pathetic excuse to wipe Naruto's feelings for Sakura out of existence. That line combined with "You loved me because of your rivalry with Sasuke" 

Edited by Nostradamus, 26 September 2015 - 07:34 PM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Yeah you have to really be a moron to actually believe the lie that Naruto the character that understands human emotion better than anyone, doesn't know the difference between food love and romantic love.

That line is nothing more than a pathetic excuse to wipe Naruto's feelings for Sakura out of existence. That line combined with "You loved me because of your rivalry with Sasuke" 

And never bringing up the bench scene again.

Some delusional extremists even going as far as to try to say that it was actually Sasuke and not Naruto henged as him or, even more crazy, trying to say that because Naruto had such a "strong bond" with Sasuke, that he knew how Sasuke truly felt about things, so was simply saying what Sasuke truly felt, but was too afraid to say aloud. XP

[Shadow1275]

 baka can't recognize love if it's served up on a silver platter. stupid baka. totally deserved to be punished for such sins.

"You didn't love me, you just didn't want to lose to Sasuke." Forget how they both wanted acknowledgement.

 

 

Edited by Shadow1275, 26 September 2015 - 08:11 PM.

[Nostradamus]

And never bringing up the bench scene again.

Some delusional extremists even going as far as to try to say that it was actually Sasuke and not Naruto henged as him or, even more crazy, trying to say that because Naruto had such a "strong bond" with Sasuke, that he knew how Sasuke truly felt about things, so was simply saying what Sasuke truly felt, but was too afraid to say aloud. XP

Oh for God's sake how stupid can one be.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Oh for God's sake how stupid can one be.

NH and SP are just as stupid as the Louisville Cardinals. 

[Catra]

watching korra season 3 and it makes me wonder if the idea of a villainous uzumaki clan would work?

[TouKen4Life3g]

watching korra season 3 and it makes me wonder if the idea of a villainous uzumaki clan would work?

It would if you take time and think.

[Catra]

right. any story can work, just depends on how its done.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

right. any story can work, just depends on how its done.

 

Yeah, but the way Naruto ended... NOT how you do it.

[Catra]

naruto as a whole should be in college or highschool or heck even elementary literature classes as an example of what not to do.

Edited by Catra, 27 September 2015 - 12:34 AM.