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[LuckyChi7]

This is offtopic, but who here read Iron Knight? 

[TouKen4Life3g]

milked, in the context that we are talking about, is when a series has long stayed its welcome and has become a repetitive cash grab. op is far from that. db will continue to put out another god like creature for goku and the gang to face, and naruto will continue being naruto. 

I see your point.

[Nar123]

I'm willing to give this new DB series the benefit of doubt, the new material that's been coming out are only movies and these movies were typically fanservice-y for the fans of DBZ/DB, the first one showed DB top mark comedy and the second one focused on the DBZ style fight scenes

 

This new anime is headed by Akira Toriyama himself, I hope I can see him handling well and giving development to a lot of characters, not only Goku and Vegeta, if this happens and the DBZ trademark fight style and comedy remains the same, I can already see myself liking this new anime

 

Contrary to you guys with the addition of "gods" I see a lot of things and context being explored, alternate dimensions and such

 

 

milked, in the context that we are talking about, is when a series has long stayed its welcome and has become a repetitive cash grab. op is far from that. db will continue to put out another god like creature for goku and the gang to face, and naruto will continue being naruto. 

 

Unfortunately it will eventually come to that, OP is pretty successful, the big guns will capitalize on it

Edited by Nar123, 05 May 2015 - 02:09 AM.

[Nar123]

That would happen the moment you make old man capable destroying the moon.
Anyway, the author intend to finish the manga in frieza arc. But the manga is too popular to finish and we got cell and buu saga.
It still good arc Eventhought it become laser spam.

 

It's just a rumour that he wanted to end in Frieza arc, it's kinda confirmed in the fandom that he traced the cell arc as an end point, but then Buu arc got pushed, it ended  up being also an awesome arc, if not with a little underwhelming later part, kid buu was not that much of a good villain compared to Super Buu and his growing inteligence and capabilty of absorbing Z-warriors

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
It's just a rumour that he wanted to end in Frieza arc, it's kinda confirmed in the fandom that he traced the cell arc as an end point, but then Buu arc got pushed, it ended  up being also an awesome arc, if not with a little underwhelming later part, kid buu was not that much of a good villain compared to Super Buu and his growing inteligence and capabilty of absorbing Z-warriors

I do believe it was going to end at DB end. Saiyan and Frieza connects. Cell, well it does feel off because Super Saiyan can be achieved rather than exclusive to legend, Frieza's great way to die ended up copout, androids stronger than Frieza = What???, Hyperbolic Time Chamber, and so on. The only upside was Gohan being passed by Goku the torch.

[MangaReader]

they're both already dry to me, not to mention the plot is pretty garbage. db is all about the next strong villain, which is way too repetitive  and boring now. while naruto is just some crappy wannabe shoujo. wait until what with op? it's been going on for as long as pokemon and it's still a top seller with a rich universe and decent story line. 

Ironically... people in the Pokemon fandom wanted Ash gone after Johto (Gen 2) and now that they're in the 6th generation, they feel he needs to go even more. 

[luffyq1]

Unfortunately it will eventually come to that, OP is pretty successful, the big guns will capitalize on it

with the way oda is, i highly doubt it. there are plenty of successful anime that knew when to hang it up. fma, yu yu hakusho and cowboy bebop are a few that come to mind. they may not be as successful as op, but they are successful nonetheless. 

[Aizen-Sama]

The NaruHina kids are terrible. I hate seeing family pics of them eww. >.<

[Nar123]

I do believe it was going to end at DB end. Saiyan and Frieza connects. Cell, well it does feel off because Super Saiyan can be achieved rather than exclusive to legend, Frieza's great way to die ended up copout, androids stronger than Frieza = What???, Hyperbolic Time Chamber, and so on. The only upside was Gohan being passed by Goku the torch.

 

-- Androids  existence was not known  at the time of Frieza's rule, besides they were made based on all the Z-fighters abilities and Cell, even more he is basically a mash up of all the Z-fighters

--The super saiyan power was cool, I bet at the time no one wanted to remain exclusive to Goku, out of all the transformations I just didn't like the super saiyan 3 one, it felt strange for me

--Saiyan and cell connects too and not only them, in the end he is a  big mash up of all the z-fighters

 

And the best but not the least was Gohan finally showing what he means, ahving a non-Goku character saving the day was awesome

 

 

 

with the way oda is, i highly doubt it. there are plenty of successful anime that knew when to hang it up. fma, yu yu hakusho and cowboy bebop are a few that come to mind. they may not be as successful as op, but they are successful nonetheless. 

 

Let's hope then

Edited by Nar123, 05 May 2015 - 02:52 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
-- Androids  existence was not known  at the time of Frieza's rule, besides they were made based on all the Z-fighters abilities and Cell, even more he is basically a mash up of all the Z-fighters
--The super saiyan power was cool, I bet at the time no one wanted to remain exclusive to Goku, out of all the transformations I just didn't like the super saiyan 3 one, it felt strange for me
--Saiyan and cell connects too and not only them, in the end he is a  big mash up of all the z-fighters
 
And the best but not the least was Gohan finally showing what he means, ahving a non-Goku character saving the day was awesome
 

I'm pretty sure Cell wasn't planned. But it was a good endpoint.

[Bail o' Lies]

From what i understand Akira originally only want Dragonball to have one arc it was his editors that kept convincing him to continue the series.

 

Dragon ball is more:

 

He wanted to end it after the first arc he was convinced to continue by editors.

He wanted to end it after goku defeated piccolo jr was convinced to continue by editors.

Vegeta was suppose to die but was very popular so he eventually became the lancer he is today.

He wanted to end it after goku defeated freeza was convince to continue it by his editors.

He wanted to end it after the cell arc he was convinced to continue by his editors.

He wanted to make gohan the new hero popular demand eventually force him to switch back to goku.

They wanted him to continue after the Buu arc he said no they made GT.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 05 May 2015 - 04:16 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Actually no. They said it didn't make any sense. Also pointed that Naruto and Hinata barely had any interaction over the course of the series. Didn't sound like they liked it.

Oh good they have standards.

[griff142]

milked, in the context that we are talking about, is when a series has long stayed its welcome and has become a repetitive cash grab. op is far from that. db will continue to put out another god like creature for goku and the gang to face, and naruto will continue being naruto.

Naruto is no longer Naruto it is the adventure of Boruto and Sarada now. The old manga was secretly called Hinata. At the end of the day Naruto's development was destroyed and it was never really about him ever. Naruto will continued to be milked since Naruto, "Hinata" is his child so he will continue to go back to it.

[griff142]

From what i understand Akira originally only want Dragonball to have one arc it was his editors that kept convincing him to continue the series.
 
Dragon ball is more:
 
He wanted to end it after the first arc he was convinced to continue by editors.
He wanted to end it after goku defeated piccolo jr was convinced to continue by editors.
Vegeta was suppose to die but was very popular so he eventually became the lancer he is today.
He wanted to end it after goku defeated freeza was convince to continue it by his editors.
He wanted to end it after the cell arc he was convinced to continue by his editors.
He wanted to make gohan the new hero popular demand eventually force him to switch back to goku.
They wanted him to continue after the Buu arc he said no they made GT.

That is what happens when you let the business politics take over. Dragon Ball did get ridiculous after a while but ad a kid I liked it. But Naruto was blown overboard with it and the creator was like a screw it I am all in and let's make money.

[Codus N]

milked, in the context that we are talking about, is when a series has long stayed its welcome and has become a repetitive cash grab. op is far from that. db will continue to put out another god like creature for goku and the gang to face, and naruto will continue being naruto. 

 

Oh, really? You mean taking on "villain of the week" format, repeat and rinse all throughout the series isn't being milked and repetitive? and this is all the while there is miniscule plot progression? I'd say it is. It's showing its early stages already. I won't be surprised that it will drop in quality in the next 5 or 6 years. 

 

I honestly never got the reason why Oda introduced the poneglyph and lost history. If it was intended from the beginning, then you would think it would take a bigger role in the following arcs. But Oda just puts it in the back burner only to use it as an after note at the end of each arc.

 

That's not to say that OP doesn't have its good points. I do agree it is a good manga. But I wouldn't put it up there with FMA or Rurouni Kenshin, which, to this day I still consider it as a true manga masterpiece.

 

Speaking of which.... here's a one-shot volume about Shishio and Yumi's first meeting. 

 

http://readms.com/r/...shin/001/2742/1

 

Now THAT is how you write a woman. But then again, it was Watsuki's wife who wrote it. Watsuki just did the art. (His wife's a novelist, by the way)

[MangaReader]

The new theory going around is SS happened to have Sarada outside of the village... mind you that opens up a new can of worms with how wrong that is, but I don't wanna triffle in debates. I'll let them fight this one themselves haha

[AHK]

Oh, really? You mean taking on "villain of the week" format, repeat and rinse all throughout the series isn't being milked and repetitive? and this is all the while there is miniscule plot progression? I'd say it is. It's showing its early stages already. I won't be surprised that it will drop in quality in the next 5 or 6 years. 
 
I honestly never got the reason why Oda introduced the poneglyph and lost history. If it was intended from the beginning, then you would think it would take a bigger role in the following arcs. But Oda just puts it in the back burner only to use it as an after note at the end of each arc.
 
That's not to say that OP doesn't have its good points. I do agree it is a good manga. But I wouldn't put it up there with FMA or Rurouni Kenshin, which, to this day I still consider it as a true manga masterpiece.
 
Speaking of which.... here's a one-shot volume about Shishio and Yumi's first meeting. 
 
http://readms.com/r/...shin/001/2742/1
 
Now THAT is how you write a woman. But then again, it was Watsuki's wife who wrote it. Watsuki just did the art. (His wife's a novelist, by the way)

You mean like how every story has antagonists that are focused on during different arcs? It's not that there is minuscule plot progression, it's that many different plots are happening at the same time. The poneglyphs are linked to other subplots, and everything is interconnected with the Pirate King. OP isn't being milked in the least, the man is writing his story. It's not DBZ or Naruto to where the story is over and everything is just money at this point, the story is still going on and is extremely complex.

[Codus N]

It's exactly because of that I find it inferior to other mangas. It's like Oda doesn't know which direction he wants to go. If he has a certain and clear direction where he wants the story to go, He should make it clear to his readers. I do find the subplots pretty interesting, but overall, it's a mess to me because it looks more like Oda just keeps dumping things on the story without making any clear decision on the overall story.

 

At the very least, this is where Naruto outdoes OP in this regard. Kishimoto at least had an idea where he wanted the story to go. The only problem was the messy execution towards the end.

[AHK]

It's exactly because of that I find it inferior to other mangas. It's like Oda doesn't know which direction he wants to go. If he has a certain and clear direction where he wants the story to go, He should make it clear to his readers. I do find the subplots pretty interesting, but overall, it's a mess to me because it looks more like Oda just keeps dumping things on the story without making any clear decision on the overall story.
 
At the very least, this is where Naruto outdoes OP in this regard. Kishimoto at least had an idea where he wanted the story to go. The only problem was the messy execution towards the end.

Where do you get that from? Oda knows exactly where he wants to go, and has made that clear, the only thing he's done is map out all the nuances that will be taken into account to get there. There's only one goal. The ending of Naruto proves that Kishi had no idea what to do, and he had no idea where he was going. He's still making it up as he goes along. Oda plans way in advance.

[rocci]

@codusn
Onepiece is not milked, but it's repetitive since it use formula writing in each arc.
But even if onepiece use repetitive writing, it's the skill of the mangaka that make the different.

If you can't see the connection between poneglyhp, lost age, super weapon, tenryubito, and world government. I think you would never get what make this manga awesome.

Onepiece is the ultimate shonen manga of this era at least. Fma is great manga, but I will not call Kenshin as great manga.

Kenshin is a historical romance manga, so it require good writing female character.