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[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, I don't think he'd get all giddy in the inside to see Naruto and Sakura being together.

But at the very least he could comprehend that they would make each other the happiest.

You know what I mean.

To reply your last post, you are right. He knows the whole ordeal of Naruto putting his life for her. It was so groundbreaking, that he has to acknowledge it for Sakura because he did it all for her. After that, he never really think of her as anything more than a family member. It was hardly if not never her in a individual slot. Naruto always sees his team as one and on their own. Sasuke probably already know it's them as together are better off since they seems to share the same likings and what not. The thing is I think Sasuke can see within themselves and probably see them more capable with each other than with Sasuke. Plus, since Naruto is soon to be admitted best friend/brother, he will support him, which may catch Naruto off-guard. Sai is already the same, so you can say Naruto is the one to receive support.

Naruto doesn't really support SS rather doing what's good to keep Sakura happy. It's not like he will push Sasuke to love her, rather just be glad that Sasuke is back and Sakura don't need to worry about Team 7 anymore. Remember, Naruto still wants to confess. If he was an SS fan, why would he even want to confess, let alone not seeing her being in love with Sasuke as a problem but put the blame on him? Oddly it may sound to draw a comparison, but it could go similar to Berserk, er, the first part because Guts at one scene pushed Casca to Griffith. Then, well, the usual main characters prevail in terms of love interest. But that's only in one arc, but yeah, it's a long story. My point is people can change overtime and/or only show one fun support, only for you to win the love. So in Naruto's world, let's say Sasuke is finally back. Naruto push Sakura to Sasuke. Fans cry, blah blah blah. Give in a few chapters more, oh crap, NS is canon. Hm, Naruto seems like a watered down Berserk (a big one), but that's not to bash Naruto, because it's a different altogether. I'm just saying following the flashback arc, two best friends happen only for that best friend to become the main antagonist. Hm...

Well, I hope this reply do any good for you.

[redragon88]

@NaruSaku4Life3g

That's the thing, Sasuke is meant to reforge his bond with Naruto has his best friend and brother. As such Sasuke would probably be aware of Naruto's love for Sakura and Sakura's growing affection for Naruto.

Why on earth would Sasuke try to romance Sakura when it seems so obvious that her ending up with Naruto would be the best for both of them?

Sasuke is not even the type to try and romance someone. The most Sasuke would do is give himself a chance with Sakura just because she loves him, but not because he also has the same strong feelings of love. And Sasuke would only do so if he believed that Sakura had no love for anyone else but him. The problem is that Sakura has grown affectionate of Naruto as the series progresses and Sasuke himself has noticed these newfound feelings of Sakura.

There is no angle in which Sasuke just decides to be with Sakura. He knows Naruto loves Sakura more than he ever could and he knows that Sakura will eventually love Naruto more than she ever did with him.

Is there even a rational way for Sasuke to believe that him being with Sakura is the happiest ending? It seems dumb.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@NaruSaku4Life3g

That's the thing, Sasuke is meant to reforge his bond with Naruto has his best friend and brother. As such Sasuke would probably be aware of Naruto's love for Sakura and Sakura's growing affection for Naruto.

Why on earth would Sasuke try to romance Sakura when it seems so obvious that her ending up with Naruto would be the best for both of them?

Sasuke is not even the type to try and romance someone. The most Sasuke would do is give himself a chance with Sakura just because she loves him, but not because he also has the same strong feelings of love. And Sasuke would only do so if he believed that Sakura had no love for anyone else but him. The problem is that Sakura has grown affectionate of Naruto as the series progresses and Sasuke himself has noticed these newfound feelings of Sakura.

There is no angle in which Sasuke just decides to be with Sakura. He knows Naruto loves Sakura more than he ever could and he knows that Sakura will eventually love Naruto more than she ever did with him.

Is there even a rational way for Sasuke to believe that him being with Sakura is the happiest ending? It seems dumb.

There's no actual reward from this or any real true heartfelt meaning behind it. Maybe it would have if Sakura's character wasn't made about life lessons and morals to correct the mistake. The movie pretty much reflect that character again, so you can tell Kishi is still on the same consistency with her. While continue to have her still in love is a bit questionable, I think the reward of her changing heart will be great if done right.

I think the main problem is that Sasuke has too many opportunities to show his feelings for Sakura, but it never occur. The closest you got was the confession but he pretty much made it clear it was a family thing, not a love thing. Then after that, it never happen. Ever. Only his one reflection of a family care factor during Bee's fight. Naruto has been continuing to show love interest with her, from being impressed by her strength, medic, feeding time, and so on. Sakura, on the other hand, has been challenged and interpreted by third-party in the manga that she has something going on that she isn't aware of. That's development and that's romance foreshadowing. They both have their own feelings hidden themselves and soon, they both will know each other more than ever.

If another pairing happen, then there's no doubt that he was forced by whatever reason(s), but as of now, honestly imo, nothing has shown that. Yes, shine characters like Hinata, but not necessarily add to the plot drastically, which is why many side characters' developments seem to feel like a throw away for main characters, the most notable one is right after Pain arc. Naruto sure took it hard, didn't he? The side characters' developments with Naruto comes to play when they come to him, not him coming to them. So yeah, I don't think he's that dumb to do something damaging to the story. It's just our patience is already weaken to the point we will chant "Tell us the truth!" Give it time and I'm sure it will be good.

[Gravenimage]

I thought that came to mind:

Sasuke never was implied to have any romantic feelings for Sakura whatsoever. He's aware that Naruto loves Sakura very deeply considering that he witness how Naruto went through hell and back to save Sakura from Gaara. He seems to also be aware that Sakura has a growing affection towards Naruto since he saw first hand her reaction when he told her that it was Naruto who saved her from Gaara.

Taking all of that into consideration, why on earth would Sasuke decide to romance Sakura all of a sudden?

It really doesn't make any sense. He doesn't want her, he knows that Naruto would probably love her more than he ever could, and he sees how Sakura grows more fond of Naruto as time passes by.

Nobody ever brings up how Sasuke would probably feel about the whole relationship between Naruto and Sakura. He could easily go "Well it was about time, your hesitation was getting annoying."

Maybe he will tell Sakura that Naruto loves her or basically rub it in her face that he loves her more than she can realize it. Something like that but then again that's not Sasuke's character at all.

[Slextrem]

Feels like Genjutsu.

It is genjutsu. Obito activated his Sharingan right before he was hit, and then he morphed into Rin.

Bottom left-hand corner:
http://www.mangahere...63/c629/15.html

Then Kakashi is forced to hit Obito. The "shake, shake" suggests that he can't move:
http://www.mangahere...63/c629/16.html

"Rin" and Kakashi are still in Kamui here, so it's not a flashback:
http://www.mangahere...63/c629/17.html

[/dat proof ]

[James S Cassidy]

It is genjutsu. Obito activated his Sharingan right before he was hit, and then he morphed into Rin.

Bottom left-hand corner:
http://www.mangahere...63/c629/15.html

Then Kakashi is forced to hit Obito. The "shake, shake" suggests that he can't move:
http://www.mangahere...63/c629/16.html

"Rin" and Kakashi are still in Kamui here, so it's not a flashback:
http://www.mangahere...63/c629/17.html

[/dat proof ]

I have to say, whether it was a genjustu or not, having Obito literally push his body into the chidori and saying what he said really made me shiver....in a good way. I was like "That's how a real villain does it. Mess with the minds of his enemy." These are the kinds of writings I missed from Kishi.

[Don-kun]

It is genjutsu. Obito activated his Sharingan right before he was hit, and then he morphed into Rin.

Bottom left-hand corner:
http://www.mangahere...63/c629/15.html

Then Kakashi is forced to hit Obito. The "shake, shake" suggests that he can't move:
http://www.mangahere...63/c629/16.html

"Rin" and Kakashi are still in Kamui here, so it's not a flashback:
http://www.mangahere...63/c629/17.html

[/dat proof ]

In addition to this post we also notice that Kakashi has his MS activated but later on the MS is no longer there implying that he is currently under Obito's Genjutsu.
http://z.mhcdn.net/s...g?v=11368071587

http://z.mhcdn.net/s...g?v=11368071587

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm really relying on Obito/Kakashi battle for the future events. TnJ is definitely in order, but can Kakashi do it? I don't see him killing him, which results him to stay in that dimension, so that's out. Obito, if turn good, will send Kakashi back to battlefield as he die could work, but what was the point of showing "redemption", so that's out. Only options left that I can think of is Kakashi successfully TnJ Obito, which so far he's losing, or the battle doesn't last long and they go back already? After all, Obito just teleported him to prevent using that move. The volume is at 2nd chapter, so anything is still possible.

[Beastbomb]

Funny how ecstatic Naruhina fans are right now. I can't even find a positive comment about Sakura on Viz forums. Glad I found a site like this or I may have dropped the manga. The views I see from people arent even fair to her character and all of the NH fans I have seen so far have tried to "rub there evidence" in the faces of those who have slightly different views about the pairings. Some are even inconsiderate towards other NH fans who try to consider the possibility of NS. Funny how long I took me to understand this, but now I'm starting to see why some of the members that come to this site are frustrated by the other ransoms and see some of the punishment they had to go through.

This last chapter was interesting, and only makes me yearn for more NS development. I've seen enough of Hinata for the time being and I want see some chapters of Sakura without Hinata in them. Glad to see that Hinata is taking a larger role in the battle when it comes to her leadership capabilities, but I'm also beginning to think negatively towards panels with her in them. Let's hope I do not go insane before the next NS moment happens

Edit: yep, i think I have seen it all now. Just saw some Naruhina fans comparing Sakura to Sasuke's mom. If I haven't seen desperation by a fandom yet, this definetly shows it

Edited by Beastbomb, 10 May 2013 - 12:57 AM.

[redragon88]

Funny how ecstatic Naruhina fans are right now. I can't even find a positive comment about Sakura on Viz forums. Glad I found a site like this or I may have dropped the manga. The views I see from people arent even fair to her character and all of the NH fans I have seen so far have tried to "rub there evidence" in the faces of those who have slightly different views about the pairings. Some are even inconsiderate towards other NH fans who try to consider the possibility of NS. Funny how long I took me to understand this, but now I'm starting to see why some of the members that come to this site are frustrated by the other ransoms and see some of the punishment they had to go through.

This last chapter was interesting, and only makes me yearn for more NS development. I've seen enough of Hinata for the time being and I want see some chapters of Sakura without Hinata in them. Glad to see that Hinata is taking a larger role in the battle when it comes to her leadership capabilities, but I'm also beginning to think negatively towards panels with her in them. Let's hope I do not go insane before the next NS moment happens

It's like you said. The only reason there is to dislike the panel time Hinata has is because of the glorification her fans give her. Try to imagine for a moment that you somehow met Kishimoto and he told you that NS was the final pair. Don't you think you would view all of those Hinata moments in a different light?

I'm also realizing that it's because I previously let myself value the opinion of others, specifically the opposite fandom, more than my own that I subconsciously came to enjoy Hinata's appearances less. Hinata is a good character with very nice development, but the twisted opinions of some fans can sometimes ruin the enjoyment of it.

[StriderC]

Funny how ecstatic Naruhina fans are right now. I can't even find a positive comment about Sakura on Viz forums. Glad I found a site like this or I may have dropped the manga. The views I see from people arent even fair to her character and all of the NH fans I have seen so far have tried to "rub there evidence" in the faces of those who have slightly different views about the pairings. Some are even inconsiderate towards other NH fans who try to consider the possibility of NS. Funny how long I took me to understand this, but now I'm starting to see why some of the members that come to this site are frustrated by the other ransoms and see some of the punishment they had to go through.

This last chapter was interesting, and only makes me yearn for more NS development. I've seen enough of Hinata for the time being and I want see some chapters of Sakura without Hinata in them. Glad to see that Hinata is taking a larger role in the battle when it comes to her leadership capabilities, but I'm also beginning to think negatively towards panels with her in them. Let's hope I do not go insane before the next NS moment happens

Edit: yep, i think I have seen it all now. Just saw some Naruhina fans comparing Sakura to Sasuke's mom. If I haven't seen desperation by a fandom yet, this definetly shows it

@ the bolded. LMAO! That's awesome, but they do realize that Sakura resembles Kushina wayyyyy more right, or is that glossed over because it's not in their favor?

I do admit I've been annoyed with Hinata lately, and it could definitely be for the fans but if I was just a Sakura fan, I'd probably be a little bothered by the fact that Hinata is doing way more here than Sakura. I'm also starting to believe that she hasn't learned any new jutsu, and her last fight will probably be the fight with Zetsu. Makes me a bit sad considering what her capabilities are and the fact that she mirrors Tsunade. I'm quite bummed about this whole situation with her.

[Beastbomb]

@redragon88
My opinions have been heavily influenced by others opinions as well, this site being the most influential. Kinda how my confidence for NS has skyrocketed since joining this site (the theories by opposing fandoms have led me to this conclusion as well). But I agree that the other fandoms have caused my enjoyment of Hinata's character to drop significantly as well as her obsession over Naruto as well. Yet, it also adds to the gratification for when NS becomes canon.(I refuse to lose confidence in this pairing ).

@StriderC
I try to take a expect the worst but hope for the best approach when it comes to Sakura's character. I hope she will have another influential battle. Hopefully Kishi has an idea in store for her, but I'm expecting the worst as of now. I hope he has Sakura do a little more, but I am content with her supporting Naruto throughout this war (I'm not happy with her portrayal, but am satisfied with her support).

Like your sig by the way, did you draw it?

[Inferno180]

Funny how ecstatic Naruhina fans are right now. I can't even find a positive comment about Sakura on Viz forums. Glad I found a site like this or I may have dropped the manga. The views I see from people arent even fair to her character and all of the NH fans I have seen so far have tried to "rub there evidence" in the faces of those who have slightly different views about the pairings. Some are even inconsiderate towards other NH fans who try to consider the possibility of NS. Funny how long I took me to understand this, but now I'm starting to see why some of the members that come to this site are frustrated by the other ransoms and see some of the punishment they had to go through.

This last chapter was interesting, and only makes me yearn for more NS development. I've seen enough of Hinata for the time being and I want see some chapters of Sakura without Hinata in them. Glad to see that Hinata is taking a larger role in the battle when it comes to her leadership capabilities, but I'm also beginning to think negatively towards panels with her in them. Let's hope I do not go insane before the next NS moment happens

Edit: yep, i think I have seen it all now. Just saw some Naruhina fans comparing Sakura to Sasuke's mom. If I haven't seen desperation by a fandom yet, this definetly shows it

Wait wait, the mighty masses of NH fans are worried because Rin was a Jinchurki? I mean the obvious parallels between team 7, team sannin, and team minato in terms of intial formation and dyanmic (save tsunade not loving Orochimaru at anytime, only the same in that she loved another while Jiriaya loved her).

To see some saying that Sasuke's mom and Sakura are the same?.....

Wow I don't know if I should be happy or sad? I mean the Sakura and Kushina similarities are definite, mainly because out of the past relation. I mean some have made the argument that Kushina was easier to base off of Sakura, but most of us simply reply, "but kishi could have based Kushina off of Hinata as well, he could have yet he did not.

Just tell me more about this, were is this? Is there a link? This just makes me kinda have a guilty laugh because if they have their own fanbase crumbling inwards from such a minor event, I could not imagine what it would be like if NS hits the canon moment.

[StriderC]

@redragon88
My opinions have been heavily influenced by others opinions as well, this site being the most influential. Kinda how my confidence for NS has skyrocketed since joining this site (the theories by opposing fandoms have led me to this conclusion as well). But I agree that the other fandoms have caused my enjoyment of Hinata's character to drop significantly as well as her obsession over Naruto as well. Yet, it also adds to the gratification for when NS becomes canon.(I refuse to lose confidence in this pairing ).

@StriderC
I try to take a expect the worst but hope for the best approach when it comes to Sakura's character. I hope she will have another influential battle. Hopefully Kishi has an idea in store for her, but I'm expecting the worst as of now. I hope he has Sakura do a little more, but I am content with her supporting Naruto throughout this war (I'm not happy with her portrayal, but am satisfied with her support).

Like your sig by the way, did you draw it?

Yeah, at this point, I'm not expecting much but I'll definitely hope for the best. It's always nice seeing her support Naruto, but I've always wanted her to sort of do her own thing also.

And yeah, I drew this for Slextrem sometime ago actually when we both frequented Youtube a lot. lol One of my best Naruto drawings for sure.

[Beastbomb]

Wait wait, the mighty masses of NH fans are worried because Rin was a Jinchurki? I mean the obvious parallels between team 7, team sannin, and team minato in terms of intial formation and dyanmic (save tsunade not loving Orochimaru at anytime, only the same in that she loved another while Jiriaya loved her).

To see some saying that Sasuke's mom and Sakura are the same?.....

Wow I don't know if I should be happy or sad? I mean the Sakura and Kushina similarities are definite, mainly because out of the past relation. I mean some have made the argument that Kushina was easier to base off of Sakura, but most of us simply reply, "but kishi could have based Kushina off of Hinata as well, he could have yet he did not.

Just tell me more about this, were is this? Is there a link? This just makes me kinda have a guilty laugh because if they have their own fanbase crumbling inwards from such a minor event, I could not imagine what it would be like if NS hits the canon moment.

Crap, they weren't comparing personality. They began with it but switched over to looks... I suck at this debating stuff. Funny how much they try to ignore the parallels though. Be ready to deal with pages upon pages of NH fans agreeing with each other though. Here's link

http://forum.naruto....p...28&page=216

Look for second comment by placeinthesun. Give me your take on this. I'm probably wrong with my first assertion, but I find it funny how they bring sasukes mother into this comparison.

@StriderC
Its a awesome, wish I had the kind of artistic skills u do. Been having a deeper appreciation for art when I began to read Naruto. How long have you been drawing?

Maybe we will see some more of Sakura. Let's just wait and see what Kishi has in store for us (no matter how antagonizing the wait and writing may be

Edited by Beastbomb, 10 May 2013 - 03:11 AM.

[Inferno180]

Crap, they weren't comparing personality. They began with it but switched over to looks... I suck at this debating stuff. Funny how much they try to ignore the parallels though. Be ready to deal with pages upon pages of NH fans agreeing with each other though. Here's link

http://forum.naruto....p...28&page=216

Look for second comment by placeinthesun. Give me your take on this. I'm probably wrong with my first assertion, but I find it funny how they bring sasukes mother into this comparison.

@StriderC
Its a awesome, wish I had the kind of artistic skills u do. Been having a deeper appreciation for art when I began to read Naruto. How long have you been drawing?

Maybe we will see some more of Sakura. Let's just wait and see what Kishi has in store for us (no matter how antagonizing the wait and writing may be

I just read it, wow just wow. They are delusional, like people who deny global warming.....

They seriously still miss the point on the confession and claim they know Sakura better.

They say Hinata hit Naruto more and ignore the whole concept on Naruto never giving up....

It felt like I just wanted an entire fox news segment, you get 2 douches and 1 person trying to speak something but they just cut them short or make BS, I mean they said Hinata looks more like Kushina and Sakura is like Sasukes mom. Um, doesn't Sasuke's mom have the dark hair? Ins't pink closer to red, not purple?

After seeing that, I just really think they may be doing all the mental gymnastics they can to try and make it better. They say Sakura has been reduced to the background after so long, did they miss the main point of this has been Hinata the majority of the time?

All I can say about the NH fanbase If only they should remember Naruto's words "Give up on making me give up." If Naruto never gave up on Sasuke, do they really think he would give up on Sakura? Apparently they do and they ignore the fact the NH literally would be out of pity....

The sole reason for Naruto being over Sakura is a contradiction towards their entire pairing. Kinda like the equalist movement from Korra.

This is why I stick to this forum, it seems like its the only logical place because NS at least operates on logic, not fanfiction. We want NS but we don't ingore what stands as an obstacle and we don't make stuff up just to bolster our own views. We just go by whats in the manga and we know what we speak, others act like we don't know like its demonic.

[Beastbomb]

I just read it, wow just wow. They are delusional, like people who deny global warming.....

They seriously still miss the point on the confession and claim they know Sakura better.

They say Hinata hit Naruto more and ignore the whole concept on Naruto never giving up....

It felt like I just wanted an entire fox news segment, you get 2 douches and 1 person trying to speak something but they just cut them short or make BS, I mean they said Hinata looks more like Kushina and Sakura is like Sasukes mom. Um, doesn't Sasuke's mom have the dark hair? Ins't pink closer to red, not purple?

After seeing that, I just really think they may be doing all the mental gymnastics they can to try and make it better. They say Sakura has been reduced to the background after so long, did they miss the main point of this has been Hinata the majority of the time?

All I can say about the NH fanbase If only they should remember Naruto's words "Give up on making me give up." If Naruto never gave up on Sasuke, do they really think he would give up on Sakura? Apparently they do and they ignore the fact the NH literally would be out of pity....

The sole reason for Naruto being over Sakura is a contradiction towards their entire pairing. Kinda like the equalist movement from Korra.

This is why I stick to this forum, it seems like its the only logical place because NS at least operates on logic, not fanfiction. We want NS but we don't ingore what stands as an obstacle and we don't make stuff up just to bolster our own views. We just go by whats in the manga and we know what we speak, others act like we don't know like its demonic.

+1

They only do this because of their ship. They hate Sakura because they obsess about Hinata. Sad how they have to twist the story just to make their pairing even remotely possible.

... I don't believe in global warming

[Gravenimage]

I just read it, wow just wow. They are delusional, like people who deny global warming.....

They seriously still miss the point on the confession and claim they know Sakura better.

They say Hinata hit Naruto more and ignore the whole concept on Naruto never giving up....

It felt like I just wanted an entire fox news segment, you get 2 douches and 1 person trying to speak something but they just cut them short or make BS, I mean they said Hinata looks more like Kushina and Sakura is like Sasukes mom. Um, doesn't Sasuke's mom have the dark hair? Ins't pink closer to red, not purple?

After seeing that, I just really think they may be doing all the mental gymnastics they can to try and make it better. They say Sakura has been reduced to the background after so long, did they miss the main point of this has been Hinata the majority of the time?

All I can say about the NH fanbase If only they should remember Naruto's words "Give up on making me give up." If Naruto never gave up on Sasuke, do they really think he would give up on Sakura? Apparently they do and they ignore the fact the NH literally would be out of pity....

The sole reason for Naruto being over Sakura is a contradiction towards their entire pairing. Kinda like the equalist movement from Korra.

This is why I stick to this forum, it seems like its the only logical place because NS at least operates on logic, not fanfiction. We want NS but we don't ingore what stands as an obstacle and we don't make stuff up just to bolster our own views. We just go by whats in the manga and we know what we speak, others act like we don't know like its demonic.

Not gonna lie to you but I read a few posts on that forum and I think I went into a coma. Because I just woke up. I know we're not suppose to bring other forums or arguments from those forums but they disregard the entire NS development done since part 1. I mean someone said Hinata was a lot like Kushina because she" hits" Naruto. Now when in the manga has Hinata hit him for comical relief? I don't want to bash but for the safety of the thread let's not bring opposite forums and just stick to our own opinions and arguments.

[Ex-psych75]

I think most of the NH fans just watch the anime of Naruto and don't bother to read the manga, so they wouldn't understand if they are fillers or not. Either that or their shipping goggles have exceeded maximum capacity.

[shisui]

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