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[Atheck]

they definitely will have a lot of interactions in the coming chapters, at least that's what i think..
Naruto is injured and Sakura is (for the first time after so many chapters) right beside him, healing him..
although i didnt like the reason behind Rin's death, the panel where everyone surrounded Naruto while Sakura is healing him made me glad and i thought, 'ah, that's how it should be. the hero and the heroine together at the center, while everyone's on their sides'
Kishi put Sakura beside Naruto in this chapter, and im hoping that it's a link to what was to come which will eventually and finally overshadow the 615 thing

Sakura being situated next to Naruto has so many conflicting implications that ruminating upon any of them becomes unnerving. It could be the beginning of a personal conversation between them where Naruto admits to Sakura that he has moved "beyond" her or perhaps Sakura will affirm to Naruto the depth of her concern for him. Maybe they will simply converse about the situation with the Jubi or perhaps they won't even communicate with each other at all. Wherever Kishi will be directing his manga it will no doubt be thoroughly dismantled by the pairing fandoms to accommodate their interpretation of the events. Oddly enough I can't help but feel that the subjectivity of the topic is absolutely terrifying when you really begin to think about it.

I'll be damned however if Kishi continues this incessant focusing on Hinata even after Team 7 has assembled. Let it centre upon the interactions and personalities of Team 7 members only.

[TouKen4Life3g]

For a moment I also thought of why she just didn't do it herself instead of making Kakashi go through with such a painful action, but after you explanation it does make sense that maybe she wasn't in a position to properly end her life and so needed to resort to timing her death properly with Kakashi.

I'm also interested in how the fight between Kakashi and Obito will develop. Will Kakashi just try to defeat him, or will they exchange even more words? If it's the later I think we might get more info related to Rin. The essentials have been revealed but there's something that still feels missing in my perspective.

It's that panel of Kakashi being surprised after Obito talks about how Rin died at the hands of who she loved that feels odd to me. As if Kakashi is shocked that Obito thinks that way and then he has a flashback of when Rin brought up wanting to die with Kakashi saying there has to be another way.

I think that little flashback might be expanded upon. Maybe Rin will make it clear as to why she's at peace with dying. I think it was James Cassidy who theorized about Rin maybe having developed love for Obito after loosing him, so maybe she could say that it would be fine since now the two of them could be together in the afterlife. Oh the irony.

This is why I asked how long you think they will confront each other. My point is that if Kakashi can't TnJ, then who. For that matter, he can't die in that world they're in, so eventually, they will go back to the battlefield. Only question remains is who will come out at top. Will it be Obito coming back with Kakashi's badly wounded body, or vice versa? If the first, then Naruto has to take care of it. If the second, then mission complete on Kakashi's part. The problem is that even Kakashi defeats Obito in that world, how the heck can he go back? Sometimes I wonder perhaps they are going back to the battlefield very soon, it's just that Kakashi went hasty to aim for the blow on Obito, so it's not like Obito wanted to fight, rather just prevented him from using Kamui. The next chapter could signal a fight or not. Man, this is getting confusing.

Rin: I cannot self terminate.

Sort of like Rin's end. --Click here to view--

Classic.

[ladyannelise]

Sakura being situated next to Naruto has so many conflicting implications that ruminating upon any of them becomes unnerving. It could be the beginning of a personal conversation between them where Naruto admits to Sakura that he has moved "beyond" her or perhaps Sakura will affirm to Naruto the depth of her concern for him. Maybe they will simply converse about the situation with the Jubi or perhaps they won't even communicate with each other at all. Wherever Kishi will be directing his manga it will no doubt be thoroughly dismantled by the pairing fandoms to accommodate their interpretation of the events. Oddly enough I can't help but feel that the subjectivity of the topic is absolutely terrifying when you really begin to think about it.

I'll be damned however if Kishi continues this incessant focusing on Hinata even after Team 7 has assembled. Let it centre upon the interactions and personalities of Team 7 members only.

you are so right
im glad for Hinata, she's showing a lot of guts.. but hey, didnt we thought that the focus on her already passed and yet Kishi made her shine once more. yes, shine because she's the one at the front right? after she said 'Everybody, etc...' Anyone else is in a position who can do that, so why did Kishi chose her? and i dont think it's for another development on her character, she's a minor one to have so much focus like this. i dont hate Hinta, then again i dont like her that much, but is Kishi telling us something here?
i understand that this is shounen, but the fact that Kishiinput a love story together with the main plot means the end pairing is one of the most important factor of the manga and im pretty sure he's aware of the pairing ruckus....
i for one, am following this manga now because i want to see NaruSaku happens.. i just hope that somehow, Sakura being beside Naruto now will mean something., but i highly doubt that they will have some discussion since they're in the middle of the fight. if Kishi intends NaruHina to happen, i just hope that he just lay it out in the open once and for all..

[TouKen4Life3g]

you are so right
im glad for Hinata, she's showing a lot of guts.. but hey, didnt we thought that the focus on her already passed and yet Kishi made her shine once more. yes, shine because she's the one at the front right? after she said 'Everybody, etc...' Anyone else is in a position who can do that, so why did Kishi chose her? and i dont think it's for another development on her character, she's a minor one to have so much focus like this. i dont hate Hinta, then again i dont like her that much, but is Kishi telling us something here?
i understand that this is shounen, but the fact that Kishiinput a love story together with the main plot means the end pairing is one of the most important factor of the manga and im pretty sure he's aware of the pairing ruckus....
i for one, am following this manga now because i want to see NaruSaku happens.. i just hope that somehow, Sakura being beside Naruto now will mean something., but i highly doubt that they will have some discussion since they're in the middle of the fight. if Kishi intends NaruHina to happen, i just hope that he just lay it out in the open once and for all..

If you remember the position of the war, Hyuuga goes in front to play defense for Naruto's recovery. However, they are short, so best to gather anyone you can to defend. Not only that, but her father seems to be absent, so this does show her leadership and it was good for once she did that. Usually, she plays third wheel, but now she gotten it. That's why she got frontline.

[rocci]

i understand that this is shounen, but the fact that Kishiinput a love story together with the main plot means the end pairing is one of the most important factor of the manga and im pretty sure he's aware of the pairing ruckus....
i for one, am following this manga now because i want to see NaruSaku happens.. i just hope that somehow, Sakura being beside Naruto now will mean something., but i highly doubt that they will have some discussion since they're in the middle of the fight. if Kishi intends NaruHina to happen, i just hope that he just lay it out in the open once and for all..

I agree with you, that's why I believe sakura will have a role in this war and NS is part of plot it self

[Branden]

But why she didnt kill herself then?
Why she needed Kakashi just because she wanted to die at his hands ot sound "romantic" and was very selfish of her part just to give pain to Kakashi and made him break his promise to Obito.

it's a plot hole I guess but I think a quick death by Raikiri is more preferable than jumping off a tree or repeatedly stabbing yourself. Not to mention the fact that in either of those situations there's no guarantee she would have died as the enemy could have medical ninja. Having your entire heart evicerated by Raikiri is a guaranteed death though. It's also questionable why Rin was chosen to be a jinchiriki. What was so special about her? Obviously whatever it was gave the enemy a reason to keep her corpse from falling into enemy hands. In any case I doubt we're done hearing about Rin since Kakashi and Obito are still fighting.

[Dkey]

it's a plot hole I guess but I think a quick death by Raikiri is more preferable than jumping off a tree or repeatedly stabbing yourself. Not to mention the fact that in either of those situations there's no guarantee she would have died as the enemy could have medical ninja. Having your entire heart evicerated by Raikiri is a guaranteed death though. It's also questionable why Rin was chosen to be a jinchiriki. What was so special about her? Obviously whatever it was gave the enemy a reason to keep her corpse from falling into enemy hands. In any case I doubt we're done hearing about Rin since Kakashi and Obito are still fighting.

I'm gonna put on my tinfoil hat on and say that she wanted Kakashi to kill her so that mangekyuo would be activated. Yeah hat off a bit far fetched but if it is revealed that Madara had a hand in this then maybe......

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm gonna put on my tinfoil hat on and say that she wanted Kakashi to kill her so that mangekyuo would be activated. Yeah hat off a bit far fetched but if it is revealed that Madara had a hand in this then maybe......

Well I explained it already and honestly, it's logical whether they show it or not. Rin is used by mist ninja. They pretend to chase him but in reality, it's all part of the plan. Rin can't kill herself because one, the mist will stop her, and two, perhaps she has no weapon. Now then, mist ninja can't kill her because she's a plot, and Kakashi won't kill her because she's his friend and he promised Obito to protect her. So who's going to kill her? Nobody. If she has a weapon to kill herself and if she try to do so, mist ninja will stop her and perhaps do something that can unleash beast within minutes. So now what? The best idea is to get killed in the unexpected moment and bam, you saw it. The mist ninja believed that Kakashi knew about the plan, so they hurried to get her and leave.

Get it?

[Dkey]

Well I explained it already and honestly, it's logical whether they show it or not. Rin is used by mist ninja. They pretend to chase him but in reality, it's all part of the plan. Rin can't kill herself because one, the mist will stop her, and two, perhaps she has no weapon. Now then, mist ninja can't kill her because she's a plot, and Kakashi won't kill her because she's his friend and he promised Obito to protect her. So who's going to kill her? Nobody. If she has a weapon to kill herself and if she try to do so, mist ninja will stop her and perhaps do something that can unleash beast within minutes. So now what? The best idea is to get killed in the unexpected moment and bam, you saw it. The mist ninja believed that Kakashi knew about the plan, so they hurried to get her and leave.

Get it?

Yeah I get it. Don't know about it. All we know until now is that she chose to be killed by Kakashi.

[redragon88]

I'm curious as to why the mist nin chose Rin. Did they just pick her at random because she was the one easiest to capture?

Rin gets captured a lot, doesn't she? The girl has no luck.

I'm still betting that there's more to the flashback then what it was currently revealed. Especially that conversation between Rin and Kakashi about killing her.

@NaruSaku4Life3g

I get the feeling that Kakashi will somehow make Obito rethink his ideals. They didn't go to the alternate dimension just to have the chance to talk, there was already plenty of talking in the battlefield even though we have a destroyer of worlds rampaging around.

The purpose of fighting away from everyone else is so that Kakashi and Obito can clear out their conflict with each other without any interruptions. Something crucial will happen with Obito in this battle, that's why it's separated from the rest. The point of going away from the battlefield is so that when Obito returns he has a different perspective on things.

I don't really see the point of taking Obito away and later have him return to business as usual. Something will surely change.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm curious as to why the mist nin chose Rin. Did they just pick her at random because she was the one easiest to capture?

Rin gets captured a lot, doesn't she? The girl has no luck.

I'm still betting that there's more to the flashback then what it was currently revealed. Especially that conversation between Rin and Kakashi about killing her.

@NaruSaku4Life3g

I get the feeling that Kakashi will somehow make Obito rethink his ideals. They didn't go to the alternate dimension just to have the chance to talk, there was already plenty of talking in the battlefield even though we have a destroyer of worlds rampaging around.

The purpose of fighting away from everyone else is so that Kakashi and Obito can clear out their conflict with each other without any interruptions. Something crucial will happen with Obito in this battle, that's why it's separated from the rest. The point of going away from the battlefield is so that when Obito returns he has a different perspective on things.

I don't really see the point of taking Obito away and later have him return to business as usual. Something will surely change.

Hard to say for now and that's why I asked how long will it last. Obito seems to take him elsewhere for something, can't say for sure. The reason why this chapter happened is because Kakashi went for the attack and didn't go on. We don't know what's Obito's motive. If Kakashi truly fails to talk to him, then no way it will end there and it seems like a parter with Obito's TnJ as in first it needs Kakashi, then maybe Minato, then Naruto once more, and to close it off, Kakashi. They can go back to the battlefield since perhaps knowing now that Naruto and the alliance is losing, especially right now, Obito can really show him that it's all hell which Naruto may deny it. Look, it all relies on the fate of Obito and Kakashi in the other realm. Right now, Kakashi is losing if not lost the battle between words. To me, Obito needs to go back to battlefield once more and understand the reality of never giving up.

[redragon88]

Hard to say for now and that's why I asked how long will it last. Obito seems to take him elsewhere for something, can't say for sure. The reason why this chapter happened is because Kakashi went for the attack and didn't go on. We don't know what's Obito's motive. If Kakashi truly fails to talk to him, then no way it will end there and it seems like a parter with Obito's TnJ as in first it needs Kakashi, then maybe Minato, then Naruto once more, and to close it off, Kakashi. They can go back to the battlefield since perhaps knowing now that Naruto and the alliance is losing, especially right now, Obito can really show him that it's all hell which Naruto may deny it. Look, it all relies on the fate of Obito and Kakashi in the other realm. Right now, Kakashi is losing if not lost the battle between words. To me, Obito needs to go back to battlefield once more and understand the reality of never giving up.

It just feels a little pointless if Obito comes back completely the same. Something will change.

I'm not saying that Obito will come back to the battlefield saying "I'm good now", that just feels ridiculous. I'm just saying that he'll experience a change, for better or for worse. Who knows, maybe he comes back being even more psychotic.

I'm not sure how long the fight will last, I just think we'll see more of it next chapter and I think there might be more revelations to come regarding Rin. I know I have nothing to base that from, it's just a gut feeling.

Obito's downfall is connected to Rin, so I think his uprise will be related to her as well. Just like it was with Sasuke regarding Itachi.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It just feels a little pointless if Obito comes back completely the same. Something will change.

I'm not saying that Obito will come back to the battlefield saying "I'm good now", that just feels ridiculous. I'm just saying that he'll experience a change, for better or for worse. Who knows, maybe he comes back being even more psychotic.

I'm not sure how long the fight will last, I just think we'll see more of it next chapter and I think there might be more revelations to come regarding Rin. I know I have nothing to base that from, it's just a gut feeling.

Obito's downfall is connected to Rin, so I think his uprise will be related to her as well. Just like it was with Sasuke regarding Itachi.

Oh now I know what you mean. I thought you suggested that he will be good going back to battlefield. Something will happen but then again, maybe that something already happened just now. I mean they did talk alone so the info is all to themselves as Kakashi learns more of his downfall. I feel that Naruto will play a role still. As of now, he is indirectly, but I think directly he will. Something that will trigger his path to TnJ. Again, it lies within Kakashi for now. If he can't do it, then who can?

[六道仙人]

for the sojobo's request, I post the one from Hinata's declaration on kizuna books..

046里を破壊したペインとの一騎討ちで、窮地に陥ったナルト。その時両者の間に飛び込んできたのは日向ヒナタだった。逃げろと叫ぶナルトに背を向け、果敢にペインに立ち向かうヒナタ。今まで何度も逃げたり諦めたりしそうになった自分を支えてくれた存在――それがナルトだから。愛する人への想いは、臆病だったヒナタを強く大きく成長させた。
In the straight fight with Pain who has destroyed the village, Naruto fell into a crisis. At that moment the one who jumped in between them was Hyuuga Hinata. Turning her back on Naruto who is shouting (her) to run away, Hinata has a resolute confront with Pain. Hitherto, there was one being who supported her that has nearly escaped or nearly resigned herself many times... and it was Naruto. Through the feelings for the loved one, Hinata has greatly developed, which was timid, into a strong one.

these kizuna books are really useless... That critic doesn't say really anything new

[Sojobo]

for the sojobo's request, I post the one from Hinata's declaration on kizuna books..




these kizuna books are really useless... That critic doesn't say really anything new

Indeed.
Thank you for the translation. ;)

[Inferno180]

So I guess you can say the way Kakashi struck Obito and how he could not feel pain was a puts sunglasses on, PLOTHOLE

Ok bad jokes aside, I really would not care about Hinata, anything kishi does at this point would just be rushed and weak. She is just suddenly getting up, the only excuses are that she is a minor character but even then its already hard to relate to her if she just suddenly shifts, I mean the story is still team 7, not team 7 plus hinata as many fans think it is. Narutopedia still gets me sick though, they updated Sakura's profile saying she healed Naruto's wounds at this point, but guess what, they don't update Naruto's saying he was injured, mainly because Sakura is doing stuff with him. This is a reason why I hate it, I only use it to look at jutsu or story mechanics like chakra or etc.

Sakura's moment may be coming up, but its just nice in these past 2 chapters she is ready to help and support him. Now soon she may do a great action as a heroine, like kishi said she always displayed the potential, perhaps she did things heroine like from her mental development most of the time, but now she may do something physical again like sasori and the fake neji event. When the focus comes to team 7, Hinata has no purpose here. If anything I bet that Sakura will speak to Naruto before the fight with Sasuke, she is the one caught between them, she can still choose Naruto over Sasuke, Hinata's development can simply just be a leadership and clan leader one, as for Naruto, she is minor, she can easily be happy for naruto and sakura if NS comes forward, I mean she didnt care when Sakura hugged Naruto now did she? Hinata can have a good ending by just becoming clan leader and having confidence, she can easily get off of Naruto because the NH development is just so small, she can then finally stand on her own. Nothing can change the past, kishi could have done more NH but he did not. The NS house has been highly built, to compare them NS is like a mansion nearing completion, NH is like a small cottage with hardly any done. SS is like a tent with some tears in it. The NS house has come too far just to stop or destroy, its like building a house then demolishing it as one other said here. There is no reason for something so pointless. NS does a lot of good for the story, it can even give Hinata a good ending.

Even with Sakura having a jinchurki parallel, well Kushina was a jinchurki too so this may mean a continuation. NS is still highly active. Naruto and Sakura have a great amount of interaction in the past and still to come. Their story is far from over.

The kizuna books just explain stuff we have known for the longest time. I have faith in NS and there will be future interaction, hopefully that future interaction is Naruto and Sakura having more closeness (beyond right now being beside one another ) Things are still good for our pairing.

[Shadow1275]

So I guess you can say the way Kakashi struck Obito and how he could not feel pain was a puts sunglasses on, PLOTHOLE

Ok bad jokes aside, I really would not care about Hinata, anything kishi does at this point would just be rushed and weak. She is just suddenly getting up, the only excuses are that she is a minor character but even then its already hard to relate to her if she just suddenly shifts, I mean the story is still team 7, not team 7 plus hinata as many fans think it is. Narutopedia still gets me sick though, they updated Sakura's profile saying she healed Naruto's wounds at this point, but guess what, they don't update Naruto's saying he was injured, mainly because Sakura is doing stuff with him. This is a reason why I hate it, I only use it to look at jutsu or story mechanics like chakra or etc.

Sakura's moment may be coming up, but its just nice in these past 2 chapters she is ready to help and support him. Now soon she may do a great action as a heroine, like kishi said she always displayed the potential, perhaps she did things heroine like from her mental development most of the time, but now she may do something physical again like sasori and the fake neji event. When the focus comes to team 7, Hinata has no purpose here. If anything I bet that Sakura will speak to Naruto before the fight with Sasuke, she is the one caught between them, she can still choose Naruto over Sasuke, Hinata's development can simply just be a leadership and clan leader one, as for Naruto, she is minor, she can easily be happy for naruto and sakura if NS comes forward, I mean she didnt care when Sakura hugged Naruto now did she? Hinata can have a good ending by just becoming clan leader and having confidence, she can easily get off of Naruto because the NH development is just so small, she can then finally stand on her own. Nothing can change the past, kishi could have done more NH but he did not. The NS house has been highly built, to compare them NS is like a mansion nearing completion, NH is like a small cottage with hardly any done. SS is like a tent with some tears in it. The NS house has come too far just to stop or destroy, its like building a house then demolishing it as one other said here. There is no reason for something so pointless. NS does a lot of good for the story, it can even give Hinata a good ending.

Even with Sakura having a jinchurki parallel, well Kushina was a jinchurki too so this may mean a continuation. NS is still highly active. Naruto and Sakura have a great amount of interaction in the past and still to come. Their story is far from over.

The kizuna books just explain stuff we have known for the longest time. I have faith in NS and there will be future interaction, hopefully that future interaction is Naruto and Sakura having more closeness (beyond right now being beside one another ) Things are still good for our pairing.

Feels like Genjutsu.

My guess is that Kakashi will TNJ Obito by telling him that Rin was in love with him all this time. Though as powerful as Obito seems, I don't think that Kakashi is going to die. Obito himself stated that Kakashi has already had multiple chances to take him out.

[redragon88]

I thought that came to mind:

Sasuke never was implied to have any romantic feelings for Sakura whatsoever. He's aware that Naruto loves Sakura very deeply considering that he witness how Naruto went through hell and back to save Sakura from Gaara. He seems to also be aware that Sakura has a growing affection towards Naruto since he saw first hand her reaction when he told her that it was Naruto who saved her from Gaara.

Taking all of that into consideration, why on earth would Sasuke decide to romance Sakura all of a sudden?

It really doesn't make any sense. He doesn't want her, he knows that Naruto would probably love her more than he ever could, and he sees how Sakura grows more fond of Naruto as time passes by.

Nobody ever brings up how Sasuke would probably feel about the whole relationship between Naruto and Sakura. He could easily go "Well it was about time, your hesitation was getting annoying."

[TouKen4Life3g]

I thought that came to mind:

Sasuke never was implied to have any romantic feelings for Sakura whatsoever. He's aware that Naruto loves Sakura very deeply considering that he witness how Naruto went through hell and back to save Sakura from Gaara. He seems to also be aware that Sakura has a growing affection towards Naruto since he saw first hand her reaction when he told her that it was Naruto who saved her from Gaara.

Taking all of that into consideration, why on earth would Sasuke decide to romance Sakura all of a sudden?

It really doesn't make any sense. He doesn't want her, he knows that Naruto would probably love her more than he ever could, and he sees how Sakura grows more fond of Naruto as time passes by.

Nobody ever brings up how Sasuke would probably feel about the whole relationship between Naruto and Sakura. He could easily go "Well it was about time, your hesitation was getting annoying."

So you're suggesting that Sasuke is a NS fan? I'm not kidding.

[redragon88]

So you're suggesting that Sasuke is a NS fan? I'm not kidding.

Well, I don't think he'd get all giddy in the inside to see Naruto and Sakura being together.

But at the very least he could comprehend that they would make each other the happiest.