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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:34 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ May 7 2013, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm but if Kishi is taking "the changed man sasuke" route......... sleep.gif

Still, where is the reason behind it? No sense in making something that only would damage the story instead of making it greater.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:56 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ May 7 2013, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm but if Kishi is taking "the changed man sasuke" route......... sleep.gif

Yep he does change Sasuek but what Sasuke did to Sakura?
Even with Sasuke changing it does need buildup, the problem is that Sakura still has an unfinished development, and her two problem are her insecurities i cant imagine Sasuke pulling "your forehead is charming" unless if Naruto does that again smile.gif.
Or he telling Sakura that her things she does to Naruto are important which is basically 0%.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:58 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ May 7 2013, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm but if Kishi is taking "the changed man sasuke" route......... sleep.gif

The only possible way would be for Sasuke to change back into the person he was before he left because that is the Sasuke that Sakura has feelings for. Then he could have Sasuke remember all the times that Sakura was devoted to him.

There are a couple problems however,

1. That Sasuke didn't love her either

2. Sasuke has passed the point of no return and is not 100% good. Even if he changes, he still attacked Danzo and the Kages.

3. He has been pronounced an international criminal

4. Naruto loves Sakura

5. He already acknowledged her devotion and still turned her down when she made her confession

6. Sakura has feelings for Naruto

7. He tried to kill her [Twice]

8. Karin

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:06 PM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ May 7 2013, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The only possible way would be for Sasuke to change back into the person he was before he left because that is the Sasuke that Sakura has feelings for. Then he could have Sasuke remember all the times that Sakura was devoted to him.

There are a couple problems however,

1. That Sasuke didn't love her either

2. Sasuke has passed the point of no return and is not 100% good. Even if he changes, he still attacked Danzo and the Kages.

3. He has been pronounced an international criminal

4. Naruto loves Sakura

5. He already acknowledged her devotion and still turned her down when she made her confession

6. Sakura has feelings for Naruto

7. He tried to kill her [Twice]

8. Karin

I feel that there's some big event coming, because on this arc everyone is changing Sakura is still being the same character when the arc started, maybe because it needs Sasuke to continue her development since the previous one was with Naruto or a confrontation between the two.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:52 PM

I don't defend SasuSaku, I just try to be objective as possible.

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ May 7 2013, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. That Sasuke didn't love her either

We don't know that yet, but yeah, his feelings for her doesn't seem to be something romantic.
Like Sakon says, she is more like a part of his new family, than his futur girlfriend and woman.
Databook says that Naruto is like a brother to him, Kakashi like a father, so Sakura would be like his sister.
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2. Sasuke has passed the point of no return and is not 100% good. Even if he changes, he still attacked Danzo and the Kages.

Sasuke will probably return at Konoha because Naruto will be futur Hokage and will have full control of the village. People around him (Shikamaru, Sakura, Kakashi, Iruka, Hinata) will support him.
Forgiveness in Naruto is pretty simple I guess. Of course in a more serious/realistic story, or even a Seinen manga, Sasuke's return would be a big problem.
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3. He has been pronounced an international criminal

Like Kabuto who I'm pretty sure of it, will join Konoha's orphanage, were he always belong to be (probably will finish his developpement against Orochimaru).
Shinobi system is changing, each shinobi is about to understand heir mistakes.
Forgiveness is nessecary for that. That's why you have a Shinobi Alliance right now. (something like European Union after Worl War I guess)
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4. Naruto loves Sakura

Big problem indeed.
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5. He already acknowledged her devotion and still turned her down when she made her confession

But we never know with Kishimoto those days.
Friendship between Kyuubi and Naruto happend so fast (and there was no devellopement)... everything can happen in this manga. Even if it will never make sense...
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6. Sakura has feelings for Naruto

Let's say that Kishi created some developpement wich shows us Sakura realizing little by little new feelings for someone else.
Her feelings for him right now are uknown, and are meant to be realized by her one day, if we read Yamato's speech, Zabuza's scene and Databook.
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7. He tried to kill her [Twice]

Poor argument to me.
He stabbed Karin, he stabbed Naruto, he killed Itachi.
Those people always love him.
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8. Karin

The fact that Kishimoto didn't destroy her feelings for him after what he did and made her an Uzumaki is indeed a big problem for SasuSaku.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 11:02 PM

I know one major problem: we are supporting Naruto! Sasuke, we don't have anything to support him, rather hoping for Naruto, I repeat Naruto, to be happy that Sasuke is back to normal and best friend/Naruto. Look at the background of Sasuke, did he ask (you know what I mean) us to support him? No. Naruto does. That's where the major flaw is at for anyone who is against Naruto.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:05 AM

QUOTE (Sojobo @ May 7 2013, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't defend SasuSaku, I just try to be objective as possible.


We don't know that yet, but yeah, his feelings for her doesn't seem to be something romantic.
Like Sakon says, she is more like a part of his new family, than his futur girlfriend and woman.
Databook says that Naruto is like a brother to him, Kakashi like a father, so Sakura would be like his sister.

Sasuke will probably return at Konoha because Naruto will be futur Hokage and will have full control of the village. People around him (Shikamaru, Sakura, Kakashi, Iruka, Hinata) will support him.
Forgiveness in Naruto is pretty simple I guess. Of course in a more serious/realistic story, or even a Seinen manga, Sasuke's return would be a big problem.

Like Kabuto who I'm pretty sure of it, will join Konoha's orphanage, were he always belong to be (probably will finish his developpement against Orochimaru).
Shinobi system is changing, each shinobi is about to understand heir mistakes.
Forgiveness is nessecary for that. That's why you have a Shinobi Alliance right now. (something like European Union after Worl War I guess)

Big problem indeed.

But we never know with Kishimoto those days.
Friendship between Kyuubi and Naruto happend so fast (and there was no devellopement)... everything can happen in this manga. Even if it will never make sense...

Let's say that Kishi created some developpement wich shows us Sakura realizing little by little new feelings for someone else.
Her feelings for him right now are uknown, and are meant to be realized by her one day, if we read Yamato's speech, Zabuza's scene and Databook.

Poor argument to me.
He stabbed Karin, he stabbed Naruto, he killed Itachi.
Those people always love him.

The fact that Kishimoto didn't destroy her feelings for him after what he did and made her an Uzumaki is indeed a big problem for SasuSaku.



We don't know that yet, but yeah, his feelings for her doesn't seem to be something romantic.
Like Sakon says, she is more like a part of his new family, than his futur girlfriend and woman.
Databook says that Naruto is like a brother to him, Kakashi like a father, so Sakura would be like his sister.

Which Databook was that out of curiosity? Anyways, I'm not saying that SS can't happen, there are just some things that I disagree with.

Well for Sasuke's feelings for Sakura, I'd normally agree with you that we don't know if it was only based on the confession. The problem is that in the first reunion he states that he severed all of his bonds except for his bond with Naruto. Which is why at least right now, I don't consider him having even feelings of friendship towards her.


Sasuke will probably return at Konoha because Naruto will be futur Hokage and will have full control of the village. People around him (Shikamaru, Sakura, Kakashi, Iruka, Hinata) will support him.
Forgiveness in Naruto is pretty simple I guess. Of course in a more serious/realistic story, or even a Seinen manga, Sasuke's return would be a big problem.


Perhaps, but the other thing to remember is that 3 out of the four people you mentioned have already resolved to kill him. Sakura may believe that Sasuke is redeemable, but Kakashi and Shikamaru have already stated otherwise. Now if Sasuke has truly changed for good and he becomes a hero of the ninja world than perhaps his crimes will be pardoned, but then Naruto will have no reason to fight Sasuke. At this point, I would still question Sasuke's moral state, but that's a whole nother thing entirely.


Like Kabuto who I'm pretty sure of it, will join Konoha's orphanage, were he always belong to be (probably will finish his developpement against Orochimaru).
Shinobi system is changing, each shinobi is about to understand heir mistakes.
Forgiveness is nessecary for that. That's why you have a Shinobi Alliance right now. (something like European Union after Worl War I guess)


Konoha's Orphanage? Not quite sure what you mean sweatdrop.gif but this international criminal thing relies on one thing, has Sasuke truly changed at all? What I do know is that Kishi has built up Naruto vs. Sasuke since the beginning. The other thing to consider is how Sasuke may act once he reaches the battlefield. For example, Naruto may sacrifice his chakra to protect everyone with the Kyubbi cloak, Sasuke may launch an amaterasu that will kill more people then just Madara, even if innocents are within the blast radius.


But we never know with Kishimoto those days.
Friendship between Kyuubi and Naruto happend so fast (and there was no devellopement)... everything can happen in this manga. Even if it will never make sense...


Here here, the man's a mystery.
But as for Kurama and Naruto, he did promise during the Kushina arc that he would do something about the hatred within the Fox. Plus the Fox has witnessed all of Naruto's fights so I wouldn't say that it is without development.

Poor argument to me.
He stabbed Karin, he stabbed Naruto, he killed Itachi.
Those people always love him.

The fact that Kishimoto didn't destroy her feelings for him after what he did and made her an Uzumaki is indeed a big problem for SasuSaku.


As for the Stabbing, I do want to point out a couple things. That [even though I didn't appreciate the fact that she let him off the hook] dry.gif Karin has always fan-girled Sasuke throughout all of part 2. She is a side character and Side characters are usually static.

In Naruto's case, sure he may want to forgive Sasuke, but that doesn't mean that everyone else does, or that Sasuke doesn't cause him pain. Personally, I wouldn't have spared Sasuke but, If you look at the Land of Iron arc. Naruto doesn't say that he will bring Sasuke back to Konoha, only that he will bear his hatred. That means that he may not force Sasuke to come back, but just finish the process started by Itachi and Hashirama.

Now as for Itachi, I don't consider that an evil act for a couple of reasons. First, Itachi knew that he was going to die. He was sick and took medication to purposely pro-long his life. He planned on losing because he wanted Sasuke to achieve Mangekyo. He wanted to free Sasuke form Orochimaru which is why he didn't die until after he removed the curse mark. And he wanted Sasuke to be seen as a hero to the leaf village. That being said, Itachi wouldn't hold his death against his brother because he never planned on beating Sasuke in the first place.

Now, I don't think that Sakura will let Sasuke off the hook so easily for a couple of reasons. One, as 540 illustrates, she knows that Sasuke has changed and that he is not a great man. Two, her feelings for Naruto are unknown but why would Kishi keep them unknown for so long? three, She hasn't fan-girled over Sasuke at all in part 2. and lastly, To me anyway it seems like she is getting over him. Up until the Land of Iron arc, she has not seen what Sasuke has become. Karin, was not affected as severely by Sasuke's evilness as Sakura was and here is why I think that way. She doesn't cry until she sees Sakura crying. In that scene, Sakura sees the true Sasuke and accepts the person he has become. Then we get 540 which shows two things. One that she still has feelings for Sasuke, but two that she is beginning to understand that those feelings are wrong.

Now I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, this is just my opinion and reasons why.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:09 AM

Its easiest to say the pairings like this:

NS has come too far, NH and SS are far too underdeveloped compared to it.

If Kishi does NH or SS, it makes a 2 sided fallacy and just drags the story down for those 2 reasons we know so well:
-1. The biggest developed relationship the main character has aside from his rival, his other best friend it just comes out to mere friendship.
-2. The other 2 pairings becoming canon would be a massive shortcoming, mainly due to one character being minor in the story with very short events and the other pairing being based on a childish ideal which was bad for so long just making it suddenly positive. The other being that the main character's rival who was never interested in any relationship would be forced completely out of character.

Simply put again, NS has everything, even the Kizuna books from the professional critic opinions just again have people like them saying stuff we know well. (I mean its not evidence but neat to see amateurs like us and "professional opinions" have some things in common. If they can see it than obviously we do as well).

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:15 AM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ May 7 2013, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We don't know that yet, but yeah, his feelings for her doesn't seem to be something romantic.
Like Sakon says, she is more like a part of his new family, than his futur girlfriend and woman.
Databook says that Naruto is like a brother to him, Kakashi like a father, so Sakura would be like his sister.

Which Databook was that out of curiosity? Anyways, I'm not saying that SS can't happen, there are just some things that I disagree with.

Well for Sasuke's feelings for Sakura, I'd normally agree with you that we don't if it was only the confession. The problem is that in the first reunion he states that he severed all of his bonds except for his bond with Naruto. Which is why at least right now, I don't consider him having even feelings of friendship towards her.


Sasuke will probably return at Konoha because Naruto will be futur Hokage and will have full control of the village. People around him (Shikamaru, Sakura, Kakashi, Iruka, Hinata) will support him.
Forgiveness in Naruto is pretty simple I guess. Of course in a more serious/realistic story, or even a Seinen manga, Sasuke's return would be a big problem.


Perhaps, but the other thing to remember is that 3 out of the four people you mentioned have already resolved to kill him. Sakura may believe that Sasuke is redeemable, but Kakashi and Shikamaru have already stated otherwise. Now if Sasuke has truly changed for good and he becomes a hero of the ninja world than perhaps his crimes will be pardoned, but then Naruto will have no reason to fight Sasuke. At this point, I would still question Sasuke's moral state, but that's a whole nother thing entirely.


Like Kabuto who I'm pretty sure of it, will join Konoha's orphanage, were he always belong to be (probably will finish his developpement against Orochimaru).
Shinobi system is changing, each shinobi is about to understand heir mistakes.
Forgiveness is nessecary for that. That's why you have a Shinobi Alliance right now. (something like European Union after Worl War I guess)


Konoha's Orphanage? Not quite sure what you mean sweatdrop.gif but this international criminal thing relies on one thing, has Sasuke truly changed at all? What I do know is that Kishi has built up Naruto vs. Sasuke since the beginning. The other thing to consider is how Sasuke may act once he reaches the battlefield. For example, Naruto may sacrifice his chakra to protect everyone with the Kyubbi cloak, Sasuke may launch an amaterasu that will kill more people then just Madara, even if innocents are within the blast radius.


But we never know with Kishimoto those days.
Friendship between Kyuubi and Naruto happend so fast (and there was no devellopement)... everything can happen in this manga. Even if it will never make sense...


Here here, the man's a mystery.
But as for Kurama and Naruto, he did promise during the Kushina arc that he would do something about the hatred within the Fox. Plus the Fox has witnessed all of Naruto's fights so I wouldn't say that it is without development.

Poor argument to me.
He stabbed Karin, he stabbed Naruto, he killed Itachi.
Those people always love him.

The fact that Kishimoto didn't destroy her feelings for him after what he did and made her an Uzumaki is indeed a big problem for SasuSaku.


As for the Stabbing, I do want to point out a couple things. That [even though I didn't appreciate the fact that she let him off the hook] dry.gif Karin has always fan-girled Sasuke throughout all of part 2. She is a side character and Side characters are usually static.

In Naruto's case, sure he may want to forgive Sasuke, but that doesn't mean that everyone else does, or that Sasuke doesn't cause him pain. Personally, I wouldn't have spared Sasuke but, If you look at the Land of Iron arc. Naruto doesn't say that he will bring Sasuke back to Konoha, only that he will bear his hatred. That means that he may not force Sasuke to come back, but just finish the process started by Itachi and Hashirama.

Now as for Itachi, I don't consider that an evil act for a couple of reasons. First, Itachi knew that he was going to die. He was sick and took medication to purposely pro-long his life. He planned on losing because he wanted Sasuke to achieve Mangekyo. He wanted to free Sasuke form Orochimaru which is why he didn't die until after he removed the curse mark. And he wanted Sasuke to be seen as a hero to the leaf village. That being said, Itachi wouldn't hold his death against his brother because he never planned on beating Sasuke in the first place.

Now, I don't think that Sakura will let Sasuke off the hook so easily for a couple of reasons. One, as 540 illustrates, she knows that Sasuke has changed and that he is not a great man. Two, her feelings for Naruto are unknown but why would Kishi keep them unknown for so long? three, She hasn't fan-girled over Sasuke at all in part 2. and lastly, To me anyway it seems like she is getting over him. Up until the Land of Iron arc, she has not seen what Sasuke has become. Karin, was not affected as severely by Sasuke's evilness as Sakura was and here is why I think that way. She doesn't cry until she sees Sakura crying. In that scene, Sakura sees the true Sasuke and accepts the person he has become. Then we get 540 which shows two things. One that she still has feelings for Sasuke, but two that she is beginning to understand that those feelings are wrong.

Now I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, this is just my opinion and reasons why.

Im going to point out this part because there's room for trolling her from Kishimoto, Sasuke is not a great guy but what if he helps Naruto to defeat Madara/Juubi what if he goes to the battlefield and has a decisive action that allows the victory, wont he also become a "great guy" a "hero"?
Also when she thinks about the great guy she see Sasuke envolved on dark flames that means he's evil then if he's not evil he is a...?
This is the only part where i'm concerned on the next chapters, because for me the great guy should be the guy who treats you better and cares about you not just a guy that is a hero and save everyone.
I'm just poiting out that there's room for trolling on the Lover-nin stuff.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:19 AM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ May 8 2013, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Im going to point out this part because there's room for trolling her from Kishimoto, Sasuke is not a great guy but what if he helps Naruto to defeat Madara/Juubi what if he goes to the battlefield and has a decisive action that allows the victory, wont he also become a "great guy"?
This is the only part where i'm concerned on the next chapters, because for me the great guy should be the guy who treats you better and cares about you not just a guy that is a hero and save everyone.
I'm just poiting out that there's room for trolling on the Lover-nin stuff.

Well the next thing you have to consider is why did Kishi call her love selfish? In my opinion it's because as Sasuke said, he cut the bond between them. In other words he does not feel any sort of feeling for her at all which is why he attempted to kill her in the Land of Iron. Now maybe Hinata does end up with Naruto, but all things considered. Sakura will get over Sasuke.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:23 AM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ May 7 2013, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well the next thing you have to consider is why did Kishi call her love selfish? In my opinion it's because as Sasuke said, he cut the bond between them. In other words he does not feel any sort of feeling for her at all which is why he attempted to kill her in the Land of Iron. Now maybe Hinata does end up with Naruto, but all things considered. Sakura will get over Sasuke.

I know it's selfish and bad, i know he tried to kill her and all but again the lessons are too ambiguous and the lover-nin become a potential master trolling scene.
also he did considered her love selfish because she did selfish things because of it, we saw her making Naruto wanting to bring Sasuke back not because she cared about him as a teammate but because she loved him, also she says that she would scream just because he was leaving and later she says that she wants to go with him and would do whatever he wants her to do even if he asks her to kill someome, those are selfish actions.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:28 AM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ May 8 2013, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know it's selfish and bad, i know he tried to kill her and all but again the lessons are too ambiguous and the lover-nin become a potential master trolling scene.
also he did considered her love selfish because she did selfish things because of it, we saw her making Naruto wanting to bring Sasuke back not because she cared about him as a teammate but because she loved him, also she says that she would scream just because he was leaving and later she says that she wants to go with him and would do whatever he wants her to do even if he asks her to kill someome, those are selfish actions.

Well if Naruto is to get over his feelings for Sakura, now would be the best time. He said he hated people who lie to themselves and Hinata stood by his side. Plus Naruto saw that Sakura could not kill Sasuke which means he knows that she still has feelings for him. Personally I doubt he's over her, but if Kishi wants to take that route then now would be the time.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:34 AM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ May 7 2013, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well if Naruto is to get over his feelings for Sakura, now would be the best time. He said he hated people who lie to themselves and Hinata stood by his side. Plus Naruto saw that Sakura could not kill Sasuke which means he knows that she still has feelings for him. Personally I doubt he's over her, but if Kishi wants to take that route then now would be the time.


And yet no matter what kishi does, NH would still be rushed and weak. All NS development which he chose to then just have the purpose of making it all undone, that's just pointless. Not to mention Naruto would have actually given up on Sakura which would have defeated the purpose of him never giving up. Just a character contradiction on Naruto. It's just too much of a problem, I mean NS is just the one part of a proper ending and good development for Sakura and ending on Naruto's part when it comes to Sakura, same with Sasuke coming back. I seriously think the proper ending for team 7 would be the opposite of when they were first introduced and spoke their dreams or goals to kakashi. Naruto being hokage and the most powerful ninja, Sakura loving Naruto (who she hated at first), and Sasuke back with his own goal in life. I just still cannot see the ending in a nutshell Naruto comes back with Sasuke but just basically shoves him on Sakura then goes to Hinata, thats what all anti-fans are expecting. Its just insane to think that.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:38 AM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ May 7 2013, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well if Naruto is to get over his feelings for Sakura, now would be the best time. He said he hated people who lie to themselves and Hinata stood by his side. Plus Naruto saw that Sakura could not kill Sasuke which means he knows that she still has feelings for him. Personally I doubt he's over her, but if Kishi wants to take that route then now would be the time.

He knows she has feelings for him way before that, when the kumo ninjas came and said that Sasuke joined akatsuki, he felt sad because of Sakura's reaction she was crying hard and he also got heartbroken there, ofc he would feel that there's something wrong because basically, yesterday Sakura was deeply sad and crying because Sasuke joined akatsuki and then on the other day she pulls that she loves Naruto and Sasuke means nothing to her anymore, that he's just a criminal that deserves to die :/

Also on the very same scene he repressed his feelings again and put Sakura to stand aside that he would resolve the things for her(which ended up about him being beaten and he didnt wanted to explain that to Sakura and ended up with Sai feeling sorry for his misery) and take the decision to go to the raikage to ask him to remove the order to kill Sasuke because of Sakura.
(which ended up being the master trolling moment for the Hinata's confession)

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 May 2013 - 12:43 AM.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:40 AM

I think we are overworking ourselves and the path is still the same. Timing is what caused this uproar. That's what I believe.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:45 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ May 8 2013, 01:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think we are overworking ourselves and the path is still the same. Timing is what caused this uproar. That's what I believe.

I'm not worried, I know NS will happen I'm just along for the ride.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 01:35 AM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ May 7 2013, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Madara doesn't kittening care about Naruto.the only one who he is interesting in is Hashirama.


The only reason I was keeping on eye on the thread was because I was looking forward to your translation of the critic comment but it seems that you change your mind, oh well maybe next time.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 01:39 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ May 7 2013, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The only reason I was keeping on eye on the thread was because I was looking forward to your translation of the critic comment but it seems that you change your mind, oh well maybe next time.

He already did. It's nothing new. Just stating the obvious that we all have been talking about.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 04:18 AM

QUOTE (Atheck @ May 7 2013, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A very impressive post. I think I will keep this saved in a file alongside numerous other arguments presented for NS from the debate thread. Things like this should be preserved not just because of their exceptional quality but because of its potential applications in an actual debate with contentious fans from other pairing fandoms. Not that anyone should use it without the creator's prior consent. If nothing else it can act as a personal motivator for reading when there are tumultuous periods on the forum or in the manga.

Thanks. Considering the great posts you have written out here, I take this as a compliment.

I don't know what good it does to debate with contentious fans from other pairing fandoms; it's my experience that nothing -- not even the final decision from the author/creator -- can change the minds of some. I'm a survivor veteran of a few fierce pairing wars in other fandoms, so I've been around the block and back in terms of unchangeable attitudes. It's always tempting but rarely worth the headache.

Nevertheless, if you feel the points in my post might come in handy some day, by all means use them. smile.gif


QUOTE (Chatte @ May 7 2013, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kns, mind if I share it on Tumblr? Credited, of course. smile.gif I think it's the best analyzed post I have seen regarding Sakura's love for both boys from someone. No offense to the others, you guys are also great but Kns's post just... pure perfection!

No, I don't mind. Thanks for asking first, though, and thanks for the kind words. smile.gif


QUOTE (Dkey @ May 7 2013, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@Kns: Awesome analysis it seems that there are others that agree with what's written in the kizuna books.

Nothing much to add apart from the fact that the part where she wanted to give up her chance at being chuunin so that Naruto can have a chance. It seems that scene is more important than I personally thought it was.

It was a pretty clear sign that Sakura was actually in sync with Naruto early on. It proved that even though she didn't think she liked Naruto all that much then, and especially not compared to Sasuke, it was his feelings / will / needs / dreams that spoke to her heart and inspired her to sacrifice.

@redragon88 and NaruSaku4Life3g -- thanks to you two as well. smile.gif


QUOTE (HauntedCake @ May 7 2013, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please... anyone tell me if kishi can make SS convincing???? Sasuke's secret feelings for her is about as good as it can get for SS really ermm.gif

In my opinion, no, he can't make it convincing -- certainly not in the time he has left. But I don't think for a minute he's even going to try.

Kishimoto might -- might -- do some kind of Hail Mary troll to yank our chains, but I firmly believe SS has no chance at all. I don't think it's ever been anything but an extended Teachable Moment for Sakura.

It's logical to assume we will see Sakura and Sasuke interacting again, and that some event will occur that somehow ends up cementing Sakura's feelings for Naruto, but that's it. I don't see any way for Kishimoto to return to SS beyond the necessity of closure. Sakura's side of it is the only foundation the pairing has ever had, and it's too late to build on it believably.


QUOTE (HauntedCake @ May 7 2013, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm but if Kishi is taking "the changed man sasuke" route......... sleep.gif

Look at it this way. Sasuke had to be changed in order to justify the faith and love both Sakura AND Naruto have always had in him. Sakura's feelings won't have to resolve between a hateful loser and a silver medal hero; she can choose between someone she once loved and someone she grew to love more.

Sasuke becoming a changed man, in whatever capacity he is truly changed, would pave the way for Sakura's love for Naruto to become complete, and for Naruto to finally be able to accept it.

P.S. Thanks, StriderC. smile.gif

Edited by KnS, 08 May 2013 - 04:23 AM.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:04 AM

QUOTE (KnS @ May 8 2013, 05:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kishimoto might -- might -- do some kind of Hail Mary troll to yank our chains, but I firmly believe SS has no chance at all. I don't think it's ever been anything but an extended Teachable Moment for Sakura.


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