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[RyrineaHaruno]

Thank you, Miss soupy that is what I have been trying to say.

[Cloud]

Yes, Miss Soupy. That's what I was reerry trying to say as well.

Hee.

[Froot]

Hallelujah! Soupy's right. Don't blame everything on fanservice.

And like I said before, Sakura seems to be the more sensible one right now, and as we all know, she's about to talk to Naruto about Sasuke. What's she going to say? Only time will tell, but whatever it is, it won't be ''another mistake,'' like she said, and might even ask Naruto to drop the promise.

Am I the only one who thinks so?

[Whirlpool-Maelstrom]

Hallelujah! Soupy's right. Don't blame everything on fanservice.

And like I said before, Sakura seems to be the more sensible one right now, and as we all know, she's about to talk to Naruto about Sasuke. What's she going to say? Only time will tell, but whatever it is, it won't be ''another mistake,'' like she said, and might even ask Naruto to drop the promise.

Am I the only one who thinks so?

Not really, your not the only one who thinks that.

Also if Sasuke dies it would be great personality development for Naruto, while I think he's an admirable character, that whole "I always keep my promises" will have to come down sometime, Naruto has to mature and understand that not every promise can be kept, sometimes is just to much to keep it going, Secondly I think Sakura will be the one that will open up his eyes, maybe a slap to wake the boy up, right IMO Naruto needs to understand what I said earlier about keeping promises.

Edited by Whirlpool-Maelstrom, 06 September 2009 - 01:39 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

Hallelujah! Soupy's right. Don't blame everything on fanservice.

And like I said before, Sakura seems to be the more sensible one right now, and as we all know, she's about to talk to Naruto about Sasuke. What's she going to say? Only time will tell, but whatever it is, it won't be ''another mistake,'' like she said, and might even ask Naruto to drop the promise.

Am I the only one who thinks so?

Honestly, I can't see Naruto ever giving up on Sasuke, even if Sakura did. Sakura may try to talk him out of it, say he doesn't have to keep that promise, but Naruto is chasing Sasuke for himself as well. If anything, Sakura will offer to stand by Naruto's side rather than Sasuke's. She will help him try to get to Sasuke because she doesn't want Naruto to have to stand alone when the whole village is after Sasuke's blood. I think that might be how she will show her love for Naruto. But, it would be a pleasant surprise if Naruto does give up on him XD

[Froot]

Honestly, I can't see Naruto ever giving up on Sasuke, even if Sakura did. Sakura may try to talk him out of it, say he doesn't have to keep that promise, but Naruto is chasing Sasuke for himself as well. If anything, Sakura will offer to stand by Naruto's side rather than Sasuke's. She will help him try to get to Sasuke because she doesn't want Naruto to have to stand alone when the whole village is after Sasuke's blood. I think that might be how she will show her love for Naruto. But, it would be a pleasant surprise if Naruto does give up on him XD

It would, and what I was saying was, that Sakura might see how awful Sasuke has become, and maybe even go against him. Because right now, Naruto and Sakura are the only ones who are supporting Sasuke.

And Shikamaru and Sai seem to have convinced her that the promise is unhealthy. Sakura, being Naruto's team mate, friend, and love interest, might be the only one he listens to at this point.

And yeah, maybe a hard slap to the face would wake him up. That would be hot dramatic.

[NaruSaku93]

i can kind of see naruto not giving up on sasuke. especially since he says that sasuke is like a brother to him and the promise of a lifetime. i agree that the only one that can desuade him is sakura. like fruitylishis said, sakura serves as narutos teammate, friend and love interest, so hes bound to listen to her. sakura can tell naruto how much sasuke is making both them and the whole village suffer and blah blah blah. it could be like the total narusaku epic win moment

[Sherry]

I don't know why but...I got feeling that, even though Sakura asks Naruto to give up on Sasuke, he won't listen to her even she's his love interest. Maybe Naruto will think "this is about me and Sasuke only", so, no one can interrupt it. Except, Sakura will say that she will help Naruto, whatever he wants to do, just for his sake.

[catsi563]

Naruto wont give up on Sasuke ever. it simply isnt what he does nor who he is.

however A story i read recently entitled confession through suffering spun an interesting scenario where Sakura confronted Naruto and then got into a nasty fight with him that was reminicent of the VoTE fight.

in the end Naruto agreed to open his eyes a bit wider about sasuke or to sue another analogy take off the rose colored glasses.

he did however state that he was still intent on saving sasuke from himself. the reaosn being beyond the bonds between them was that it was his new way. the promise he made to pein that he would seek a new path.

its that determination which he needs to embrace instead of his current path which is the betrayed best friend and comerade.

[Ndnchimp]

I don't think Naruto's being selfish, its more like their looking out for Sasuke's well-being, Even if a kid wants to run with scissors, you don't let him cause its contradictive towards his safety. Sure thats a bad example but i think the point remains. If your friend wants to drink and drive, are you being selfish by stopping them? i dont think so at least

[Miss Soupy]

^ he is being selfish in that he chooses Sasuke over the well-being of the village. For someone who wants to be hokage, it seems like a bad plan, but the way Naruto sees it, if he cant save his 'brother', if he cant keep his promises, how can he hope to be hokage?

[Froot]

I don't know why but...I got feeling that, even though Sakura asks Naruto to give up on Sasuke, he won't listen to her even she's his love interest. Maybe Naruto will think "this is about me and Sasuke only", so, no one can interrupt it. Except, Sakura will say that she will help Naruto, whatever he wants to do, just for his sake

Hm... this reminds me of that time right after Naruto and Sasuke's fight on the hospital rooftop, where Naruto warned Sakura not to interfere again.

He looked like he felt guitly after having said that when Sakura looked all sad. I honestly don't think Naruto would do it again.

As for the ''do it for his sake,'' I'd have to disagree. She said to herself, ''no more mistakes,'' and while there's no way to tell exactly what she was referring to, it seems to me that she was alluding to the Promise of a Lifetime.

She knows now how much it's hurting him, and she'll be adamant and assertive this time. She's tried to call that promise off twice already, and now she won't take ''no'' for an answer. She'll tell him to give up on it, for his own sake, as you've said before.

[Cupcake-chan]

Sakura might try to make Naruto give up on the promise... but if he just simply gave it up, he would have spent two and a half years training for nothing. And lose many things he holds dear for an unfinished promise. Naruto won't give up, because it's just who he is, he isn't a lier, and like he said in an episode to Sasuke. "How can I be Hokage if I can't even save a friend?"
I think, that accomplishing the promise will be a sign closure of all the suffering he has had to put up with all fo these years, and if he doesn't finish what he started, he will have to suffer with it in his subcontios for the rest of his life and watch his dear friend folow the path of hatred.
He won't listen to Sakura, even if he loves her. He will he a stubborn nucklehead like has has always been and he will try to save his friend even if it takes his life.
Now, Sakura will talk to him, and he might stop trying to accomplish the promise for Sakura, but continue for himself. He didn't make a promise just for the one he loves, he also made it for himself.

[Shadowmoon~]

Sakura might try to make Naruto give up on the promise... but if he just simply gave it up, he would have spent two and a half years training for nothing. And lose many things he holds dear for an unfinished promise. Naruto won't give up, because it's just who he is, he isn't a lier, and like he said in an episode to Sasuke. "How can I be Hokage if I can't even save a friend?"
I think, that accomplishing the promise will be a sign closure of all the suffering he has had to put up with all fo these years, and if he doesn't finish what he started, he will have to suffer with it in his subcontios for the rest of his life and watch his dear friend folow the path of hatred.
He won't listen to Sakura, even if he loves her. He will he a stubborn nucklehead like has has always been and he will try to save his friend even if it takes his life.
Now, Sakura will talk to him, and he might stop trying to accomplish the promise for Sakura, but continue for himself. He didn't make a promise just for the one he loves, he also made it for himself.

Quoted for truth!

I think that Sakura would either tell him to stop chasing after Sasuke, or, she might help him in defeating the Uchiha.

More likely, it would be like ...

< Naruto, you don't have to push yourself so hard! I-I just want us to be happy, to be Team 7 again, for Sasuke to return...to Konoha...to us. >

*cue tears*

She will use "to" a lot, for sure!

[deafdrum]

Perhaps it would be best to approach this from a utilitarian perspective.

In any type of relationship, one may think that if anyone something that benefits the person themselves is selfish, but I don't think this is entirely the case. While the idea of a self-sacrificing love seems appealing, a relationship in which someone only gives and never receives anything in return is not. It is important for there to be give and take in every relationship in order for both participants to properly function in their lives. For example, the reason why Naruto didn't become like part I Gaara wasn't because he was able to give his friendship to others, but because he received friendship from them as well, in other words, a "bond". On the other hand, a relationship where someone receives at the expense of others (i.e. Sasuke because of his revenge) is not a good thing, and to me would be considered selfish.

The relationships between members of Team 7 can be understood in terms of happiness. What Naruto has wanted with Sakura since the beginning is purely her optimal happiness. on the other hand, optimal happiness for her meant optimal happiness for him as well, hence the "give-and-take" aspect of the relationship. This is what caused him to make the promise of a lifetime in the first place. He was willing to sacrifice the happiness he would gain with reciprocated love between him and Sakura in order to bring her back Sasuke, the source of her optimal happiness.

However, Sakura realizes that this promise has also been a source of pain, because he has failed to bring Sasuke back and thus failed to bring Sakura optimal happiness. This realization in turn has caused Sakura unhappiness and has prompted her to go talk to Naruto. The fact that she acts this way shows that her happiness is affected by his happiness just as his is for hers. Because of this, I believe it wouldn't be enough for Sakura to simply ask Naruto to give up on the promise. Right now, Naruto believes this promise is the best, maybe even the only way he is able to influence Sakura's happiness, and to be relieved of the promise would separate him from her and make him unhappy. As explained previously, this in turn would make Sakura unhappy. It seems that the best possible solution would be for Sakura to offer an alternative way for Naruto to connect with her, or in other words, to receive something from her in their relationship, and this solution is for her to reciprocate his feelings.

Of course, there's still the matter of Sasuke, because Naruto wants a bond with him as well. I think I would agree with whoever said it previously (I think it might have been Cupcake) that Sakura can absolve Naruto of his promise to her, but still be ok with him chasing after Sasuke purely for the fact that he wants to maintain his bond with him. That way, he won't feel as separated and helpless when it comes to bringing his friends happiness, because he'll know of Sakura's wishes.

By now, you may be asking, "So where does love fit into all of this? All you talk about is happiness, but what about love?" This is a very good point, since wishing optimal happiness for others (so that we may experience optimal happiness ourselves) is something we would do for both friendly and romantic relationships. For this reason, it is still very much ambiguous at this point if Sakura confronting Naruto will lead to a reciprocation of feelings. However, taking everything else into account concerning the development of their relationship, it does seem like a logical step.

[pharix]

what chapter/episode is this? I've been trying to find it forever >_<

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also, what do you guys think Sakura's talking about "screwing up" on this page?

http://read.mangasha...59/page015.html

[Jenskott]

what chapter/episode is this? I've been trying to find it forever >_<

It's chapter 285, page 5.

Link.

also, what do you guys think Sakura's talking about "screwing up" on this page?

IMO, I think she is talking about having ignored/disregarded/rejected Naruto and falling in for Sasuke in spite of the former offered freely a love the later was unable to give.

Or maybe she's pondering if her old Sasuke's crush was real love or not (I don't know if you know this, but the third databbok states "she used -USED- to have a crush on Sasuke" and "she felt towards Sasuke admiration and a feeling similar to love").

Or maybe she's thinking she must sort out her feelings regarding Naruto once and for all before it's too late or Naruto gets hurt further.

I think those are the likelier possibilities.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

Or maybe she's pondering if her old Sasuke's crush was real love or not (I don't know if you know this, but the third databbok states "she used -USED- to have a crush on Sasuke" and "she felt towards Sasuke admiration and a feeling similar to love").

i agree to this. but I think Sakura had this LOVE feeling due to Naruto disguised as Sasuke during the chapter 3 in the manga. I had somewhat concluded due remembering in the part where Sakura confessed her love on Sasuke where his defection occured, there is somewhat FLASHBACKS from the chapter 3. SO i think Sakura don't know it was Naruto from the Start

[Jenskott]

i agree to this. but I think Sakura had this LOVE feeling due to Naruto disguised as Sasuke during the chapter 3 in the manga. I had somewhat concluded due remembering in the part where Sakura confessed her love on Sasuke where his defection occured, there is somewhat FLASHBACKS from the chapter 3. SO i think Sakura don't know it was Naruto from the Start

Sakura had a crush on Sasuke prior to the bench scene, but obviously that moment enhanced her feelings, since Sakura was deceived in believing Sasuke was her dreamed boyfriend and he was actually interested in her (it's ironical Naruto's ill-conceived and ill-advised plat backfired so spectacularly).

Not matter what, it's evident she doesn't know. And you aren't the first person whom I have heard suggesting the bench scene was the root of her love for Sasuke. Catsi also thinks that, and she theorizes it'll play a part in the future.

Sakura must be reevaluating her feelings right now. If she finds out that charming, tender Sasuke what loved her by her good and bad parts never existed and in fact it was Naruto... She's bound to wonder herself why she wasted her time chasing phantoms.

How Kakashi told during the First Bell Test: "You were chasing after Sasuke despite of Naruto was in front of you."

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

Sakura had a crush on Sasuke prior to the bench scene, but obviously that moment enhanced her feelings, since Sakura was deceived in believing Sasuke was her dreamed boyfriend and he was actually interested in her (it's ironical Naruto's ill-conceived and ill-advised plat backfired so spectacularly).

Not matter what, it's evident she doesn't know. And you aren't the first person whom I have heard suggesting the bench scene was the root of her love for Sasuke. Catsi also thinks that, and she theorizes it'll play a part in the future.

Sakura must be reevaluating her feelings right now. If she finds out that charming, tender Sasuke what loved her by her good and bad parts never existed and in fact it was Naruto... She's bound to wonder herself why she wasted her time chasing phantoms.

How Kakashi told during the First Bell Test: "You were chasing after Sasuke despite of Naruto was in front of you."

WOW !^_^ it would be so GREAT/EPIC if SAKURA WILL FINALLY KNOWS it was NARUTO

i somewhat think that the MISTAKES Sakura is referring to has a part on this.