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[sushi.]

Hey halfstar, I'll try to explain.

Because Hinata is always thinking of Naruto, she only has a few chances left to improve herself. But she always do the same, this isn't the first time she only thought about Naruto. I think last time were 2 chapters ago...

If it was Sakura, I wouldn't like it because it would be OOC. She's too levelheaded, but she's the only other girl who's in love with him so
- then I would be like "Okay, it just happened once"

My problem with her isn't just that they forgot about Neji's death too soon. They "have" to, kind of, it's a war. But they were smiling at the end wtf? I just would've liked it more if she said something like "Don't worry Neji, your sacrifice will not be in vain".

Edit; Everyone's talking about Naruto's free hand, and since we've seen ghosts in Naruto before(Asuma, Minato, Jiraiya), what if Neji was watching the entire thing

Edited by sushi., 02 January 2013 - 12:46 AM.

[mone_]

Lets be honest. A large reason for the Hinata hate right now is because she's proving herself a threat. I don't believe in covering up the reason for the bashing of her character (which is whats going on right now).

Well...yes. She is a threat to NS, and since it's a NS fanclub, I guess we're entitled to have some dislike for a character that threatens our beloved pairing. It's human, really.

But also, it's because we DO consider her a threat that shows that we acknowledge her and discuss the possibility of NH. NS still has more hints/proof/whatever you call it. So we can still have a valid belief in NS which is quite different from what most of NH fanbase do, i.e. ignore or deny any factor not in favor of NH.

[HalfStarStudios]

Hey halfstar, I'll try to explain.

Because Hinata is always thinking of Naruto, she only has a few chances left to improve herself. But she always do the same, this isn't the first time she only thought about Naruto. I think last time were 2 chapters ago...

That's what her character is though, how are we not used to it by now? At least this time it was good development that had to do with Naruto. Btw, everyone in this war is thinking about Naruto. It IS a war to protect him, no?

If it was Sakura, I wouldn't like it because it would be OOC. She's too levelheaded, but she's the only other girl who's in love with him so
- then I would be like "Okay, it just happened once"

It would be OOC for Sakura to bring Naruto back to his senses?

My problem with her isn't just that they forgot about Neji's death too soon. They "have" to, kind of, it's a war. But they were smiling at the end wtf? I just would've liked it more if she said something like "Don't worry Neji, your sacrifice will not be in vain".

Umm...where were they smiling at the end? Can you show me? Because I do not see it. As for the bold, wasn't that the entire point of her speech?

[Gravenimage]

Hey halfstar, I'll try to explain.

Because Hinata is always thinking of Naruto, she only has a few chances left to improve herself. But she always do the same, this isn't the first time she only thought about Naruto. I think last time were 2 chapters ago...

If it was Sakura, I wouldn't like it because it would be OOC. She's too levelheaded, but she's the only other girl who's in love with him so
- then I would be like "Okay, it just happened once"

My problem with her isn't just that they forgot about Neji's death too soon. They "have" to, kind of, it's a war. But they were smiling at the end wtf? I just would've liked it more if she said something like "Don't worry Neji, your sacrifice will not be in vain".

Edit; Everyone's talking about Naruto's free hand, and since we've seen ghosts in Naruto before(Asuma, Minato, Jiraiya), what if Neji was watching the entire thing

This^. I want to change my opinion but I can't because all I have seen about Hinata's character is her entire world revolves around Naruto, the rest of the world doesn't exist. I bet a 100$ that next chapter if she's still holding hands with Naruto, instead of thinking of a way to fight the Jyuubi she's thinking how good it feels to hold Naruto's hand.

Edited by Gravenimage, 02 January 2013 - 12:51 AM.

[CynMichi]

It's one panel dude. lol Plus she thought about his hand then got ready to fight against the Juubi with Naruto. It's not like how you guys are making it sound like:

Hinata: ERRMAHGAWD, Naruto-Kun held my hand! We're gonna get married and make kids with ugly eyes! Wait, what's the thing in front of us? Oh! Who cares, love love love!!!

When it was just this:

Hinata:*epic speech* *Naruto holds her hand* His hand is so big and strong *Gets ready to get back into the fight with Naruto*

Let's try to keep the biased down to a minimum guys, ok?

Yes because she still wants to prove to her dad that she isn't the failure he thought she was. Btw, if Naruto didn't exist then there wouldn't be a war.

It's a bias if you apply the same feeling toward only one character. But I'm telling you right now we'd all be furious if Sasuke showed up and Sakura had a single panel where she thought he looked hot in his... ninja gear....Sorry this is my best example..... Not JUST because of the pairing but because its just not an appropriate time or place.

I'm not trying to bash Hinata .... I like aspects of her character and WANT her to do better.....IMO her father should have jumped in there and been impaled! Wrong Hyuuga bit the big one but at least Neji chose his own death.

[HalfStarStudios]

This^. I want to change my opinion but I can't because all I have seen about Hinata's character is her entire world revolves around Naruto, the rest of the world doesn't exist. I bet a 100$ that next chapter if she's still holding hands with Naruto, instead of thinking of a way to fight the Jyuubi she's thinking how good it feels to hold Naruto's hand.

Since you didn't seem to get it the first time, i'll post it again.

It's one panel dude. lol Plus she thought about his hand then got ready to fight against the Juubi with Naruto. It's not like how you guys are making it sound like:

Hinata: ERRMAHGAWD, Naruto-Kun held my hand! We're gonna get married and make kids with ugly eyes! Wait, what's the thing in front of us? Oh! Who cares, love love love!!!

When it was just this:

Hinata:*epic speech* *Naruto holds her hand* His hand is so big and strong *Gets ready to get back into the fight with Naruto*

Let's try to keep the biased down to a minimum guys, ok?

It's a bias if you apply the same feeling toward only one character. But I'm telling you right now we'd all be furious if Sasuke showed up and Sakura had a single panel where she thought he looked hot in his... ninja gear....Sorry this is my best example..... Not JUST because of the pairing but because its just not an appropriate time or place.

I'm not trying to bash Hinata .... I like aspects of her character and WANT her to do better.....IMO her father should have jumped in there and been impaled! Wrong Hyuuga bit the big one but at least Neji chose his own death.

Again, it's just one panel of her inner thoughts that barely lasted. You guys are making too much of a big deal about this thing. It was on her thoughts for a second then she went back to the fight. It's not like it distracted her from what was happening in reality.

Edited by HalfStarStudios, 02 January 2013 - 12:55 AM.

[sushi.]

That's what her character is though, how are we not used to it by now? At least this time it was good development that had to do with Naruto. Btw, everyone in this war is thinking about Naruto. It IS a war to protect him, no?

It would be OOC for Sakura to bring Naruto back to his senses?


Umm...where were they smiling at the end? Can you show me? Because I do not see it. As for the bold, wasn't that the entire point of her speech?

It's war to protect Naruto and Bee. Heck, the rest of the world too, because that's what Obito declared he would control, isn't it?

No. I mean, it would be OOC for Sakura to think about how warm Naruto's hand is.

Well then, because her speech was finished, there is nothing more for her to think about. She should just go out and show some Hyuuga pride.

And you said we should keep the bashing to a minimum, like it's OK just to bash a little. xD I looked up to the definition of bashing, and I don't see myself in that description.

Edited by sushi., 02 January 2013 - 12:57 AM.

[KnS]

What's most confusing is that Hinata/NH is liked by some very different people. At first I thought she was liked only by those that saw themselves in her (shy, silent ones). But so many confindent, loud, outgoing people like her that I'm not sure anymore if there is any psychological factor.

I get what you're saying, but there are still clear trends and they are based on a lot of factors. If I cared enough I could write an essay on this topic.

Exactly so shouldn't we be praising her for ONCE instead of always criticizing her?

I actually was praising her as I was reading. I actually cheered out loud when she slapped Naruto. I thought she was finally showing some real growth, which was what I was hoping for and expecting. But then she reverts back to her obsession with Naruto as a love interest.

As far as I'm concerned it makes no difference that she loves him. It makes no difference that the thoughts about his hand were in her head. The implication is yet to be contradicted that Naruto loves Sakura, but we're not shown that he thinks about holding her hand. Sakura is believed to love Sasuke, but it's the same story. The only time we've seen her think about him in even close to the same sort of sense is during the Lover-nin conversation, and that was, you know, ABOUT LOVE.

Sorry, but I can't see defending Hinata on this. Her schmoopie infatuation with Naruto is frequently inappropriate in its timing. But what else does Kishimoto have to work with where she's concerned? Kishimoto has repeatedly shown Hinata to be weak and out of her league with strong opponents, and plagued with very deep insecurities. If she is shown to suddenly be a powerhouse now, it will either be because of Naruto's chakra or because she got to hold his hand. In either case, it is strength external to her.

I'm gonna have to agree with this. While I do see her as a threat, I'm not gonna hate her because of that. It's silly and would make me no better than most of the NaruHina fans.

Not everyone who dislikes Hinata and the disproportionate focus on her considers her a threat. I don't. I simply can't identify with anything about her. If Naruto ends up liking her, and choosing her, I'll be happy for him if he's happy. But unless her personality radically changes into something with more true strength and independence, I'll still think of her as a pathetic kitten. Just my opinion.

Edited by KnS, 02 January 2013 - 12:57 AM.

[luffyq1]

It's one panel dude. lol Plus she thought about his hand then got ready to fight against the Juubi with Naruto. It's not like how you guys are making it sound like:

Hinata: ERRMAHGAWD, Naruto-Kun held my hand! We're gonna get married and make kids with ugly eyes! Wait, what's the thing in front of us? Oh! Who cares, love love love!!!

When it was just this:

Hinata:*epic speech* *Naruto holds her hand* His hand is so big and strong *Gets ready to get back into the fight with Naruto*

Let's try to keep the biased down to a minimum guys, ok?

Yes because she still wants to prove to her dad that she isn't the failure he thought she was. Btw, if Naruto didn't exist then there wouldn't be a war.

Halfstar, I think you have me confused with someone who actually cares if Hinata is a threat. My dislike for Hinata does not come from that at all. Let me restate that the NS happening has lost it's value to me.

And I don't think I'm exaggerating at all. We all know that the only relevance Hinata can get is when it pertains to Naruto. It's been stressed out enough as it is. Hinata loves Naruto. We get it. Stop reminding us of the very thing that drives her character.

Edit: Deleted lewd text. - Trixie

[HalfStarStudios]

It's war to protect Naruto and Bee. Heck, the rest of the world too, because that's what Obito declared he would control, isn't it?

While you're right, how come you aren't complaining about Sakura who also only thought about this war to protect Naruto? Or Chouji? Or Kiba? Or Neji? etc. Why only Hinata?

No. I mean, it would be OOC for Sakura to think about how warm Naruto's hand is.

Sakura=/=Hinata so I don't see the point of bringing her up. 2 different personalities and Sakura isn't confirmed to be in love with Naruto.

Well then, because her speech was finished, there is nothing more for her to think about. She should just go out and show some Hyuuga pride.

And that is what she was getting ready to do at the end of the chapter, no?

And I don't think I'm exaggerating at all. We all know that the only relevance Hinata can get is when it pertains to Naruto. It's been stressed out enough as it is. Hinata loves Naruto. We get it. Stop reminding us of the very thing that drives her character.

That's how it's been for over a decade now, how are you not used to it by now? I can understand you not liking it but at least be realistic about the situation for your own benefit.

Edited by tricksie, 02 January 2013 - 04:31 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

I don't care to be honest. I wanted Hinata to be something more than just a Naruto tumor, but she disappointed me for the last time. I gave her chances to grow up or to prove to me she is not a fan-girl and she failed every time.

Yes, I call her a tumor. A tumor that sucks the lifeforce from other characters to grow. No, I don't care if it is bashing. No, I don't care what reasoning someone gives me about Hinata or whatever, she disappointed me. This whole chapter disappointed me. You can disagree with me, but at least respect my view.

No, it has nothing to do with "NH is canonz" stuff. Yes, I feel this chapter was forced and badly written. No, I don't care what the NH fans say or feel about their pairing choice. If NH becomes canon it will not be because of good development, but rather rushed "convenient" plot devices that ruined the entire manga and it's continuity.

The whole point for Hinata's growth is for her to do something NOT Naruto related. Something she does DIFFERENTLY than what she normally does. Yeah she was more assertive, but it is a moment that didn't last and immediately she went back to her old self. No change. If it was Sakura that did it, I would say it was change and improvement of her character since as of now it is something different than she normally would do.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 02 January 2013 - 01:05 AM.

[Askia31]

People still doesn't believe Naruhina is canon?


I guess it's gonna take the next chapter.

[HalfStarStudios]

I don't care to be honest. I wanted Hinata to be something more than just a Naruto tumor, but she disappointed me for the last time. I gave her chances to grow up or to prove to me she is not a fan-girl and she failed every time.

Yes, I call her a tumor. A tumor that sucks the lifeforce from other characters to grow. No, I don't care if it is bashing. No, I don't care what reasoning someone gives me about Hinata or whatever, she disappointed me. This whole chapter disappointed me. You can disagree with me, but at least respect my view.

No, it has nothing to do with "NH is canonz" stuff. Yes, I feel this chapter was forced and badly written. No, I don't care what the NH fans say or feel about their pairing choice. If NH becomes canon it will not be because of good development, but rather rushed "convenient" plot devices that ruined the entire manga and it's continuity.

I can't believe people really thought she would grow out of Naruto though. o: Come on, this is Hinata of all people. She's a pairing fodder. The best we can do is be glad that she has some good development inside of being a pairing fodder.

[luffyq1]

That's how it's been for over a decade now, how are you not used to it by now? I can understand you not liking it but at least be realistic about the situation for your own benefit.

It has turned into plan annoyance.

[HalfStarStudios]

People still doesn't believe Naruhina is canon?


I guess it's gonna take the next chapter.

Probably because we're open minded.

It has turned into plan annoyance.

What annoys me most is that we have to deal with her when we can be getting some needed Sakura development. While what she did in this chapter was good, I would have liked it better if it was Sakura who was doing it instead of gawking like an idiot in the background. I could have sworn she was a main character...

Edited by HalfStarStudios, 02 January 2013 - 01:06 AM.

[Gravenimage]

Halfstar, I think you have me confused with someone who actually cares if Hinata is a threat. My dislike for Hinata does not come from that at all. Let me restate that the NS happening has lost it's value to me.

And I don't think I'm exaggerating at all. We all know that the only relevance Hinata can get is when it pertains to Naruto. It's been stressed out enough as it is. Hinata loves Naruto. We get it. Stop reminding us of the very thing that drives her character.

This^ Just this. We know Naruto will always love Sakura but Kishi doesn't have to put thoughts to him or flashbacks about her showing that he loves her in every single chapter. No because we have enough chapters to prove his point of his love for Sakura, and almost the entire manga to remind us he loves her. But in Hinata's case it's like that whenever she appears in a panel because you know very well if Hinata appears in a chapter you know the first words that will come out of her mouth is" Naruto-kun". It's always the same whenever she appears Kishi has to keep reminding us that she likes Naruto, it gets tiring and annoying. We get the picture stop showing us Hinata's feelings for him sheesh.

Edited by tricksie, 02 January 2013 - 04:32 AM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

You can hate Hinata, sure, but now it feels that you want to turn everything she does into something negative. Like you don't want to acknowledge that she has any good qualities at all. She was inspiring in this chapter, willing to fight. She stood up to Naruto and made him pull himself back together. So what that she also squee-ed about Naruto's hand?

It is hard to believe that you would have been criticizing Naruto if he had taken a look at Sakura in this chapter and thought about how cute Sakura looked.

[sushi.]

Since you didn't seem to get it the first time, i'll post it again.

I know that you did not say this to me, but still. Just because someone disagrees with you, does not mean they didn't listen. I read your entire post, then I found out that I disagree with you.

While you're right, how come you aren't complaining about Sakura who also only thought about this war to protect Naruto? Or Chouji? Or Kiba? Or Neji? etc. Why only Hinata?

Because they have proved other times that they care about others as well, and Hinata has not. Simple as that.

^Poison, I really liked Hinata this chapter! -until I saw the last page.

Edited by sushi., 02 January 2013 - 01:10 AM.

[HalfStarStudios]

Gravenimage, may I ask why you keep on ignoring my reply about how you over exaggerated and how I proved the difference between how you were saying it and what really happened?

[CynMichi]

I don't care to be honest. I wanted Hinata to be something more than just a Naruto tumor, but she disappointed me for the last time. I gave her chances to grow up or to prove to me she is not a fan-girl and she failed every time.

Yes, I call her a tumor. A tumor that sucks the lifeforce from other characters to grow. No, I don't care if it is bashing. No, I don't care what reasoning someone gives me about Hinata or whatever, she disappointed me. This whole chapter disappointed me. You can disagree with me, but at least respect my view.

No, it has nothing to do with "NH is canonz" stuff. Yes, I feel this chapter was forced and badly written. No, I don't care what the NH fans say or feel about their pairing choice. If NH becomes canon it will not be because of good development, but rather rushed "convenient" plot devices that ruined the entire manga and it's continuity.

^ This !!!