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[TouKen4Life3g]

Naruto and Madara barely interacts. It was mainly on Obito and Naruto. Madara is just chilling, but now Hashirama is back, he got sudden interest.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Naruto and Madara barely interacts. It was mainly on Obito and Naruto. Madara is just chilling, but now Hashirama is back, he got sudden interest.

Obito also lose interest on Naruto since Naruto failed due to the fact he proved his point.

[KnS]

Regardless he discussed the fact that Sakura wanted to repress her love for Sasuke just like Naruto did for Sakura but Naruto stopped her. Do you guys agree with this?

The short answer is yes, I agree.

The long answer is, I think it's an interesting way to assess Naruto and Sakura's actions during her confession.

Naruto loves Sakura so much he puts his own feelings aside so she has a chance at the life she wants.
Sakura loves Naruto so much she puts her own feelings aside so he has a chance at the life he wants.

The difference lies in the feelings that are being put aside. Naruto is putting aside his feelings for her because of his feelings for her, while Sakura is putting aside her feelings for someone else because of her feelings for Naruto. It's very similar, but there's an important distinction there.

The way I see it, Naruto stopped her for several reasons. A main one being that his feelings are pure (by human standards, anyway) and they don't change. Once he's committed, he's committed -- in love, friendship, missions, whatever. I don't think he was capable of comprehending that Sakura might be willing to try giving up on a love she has held close to her heart because Naruto never would. He can't. It's not in his nature. He didn't want her to do it because for him, giving up is so wrong it's not possible. But at the time of the confession, at least, he didn't understand Sakura's conflict.

In a sense, Naruto has it easier than Sakura. His feelings are not conflicted or divided. They are all for Sakura and he hasn't been forced to make a choice between his love for her and someone else equally if not more important to him. He can love her completely and sacrificially -- as long as he can endure the pain of his unrequited love.

Sakura's feelings ARE conflicted and divided. They are not all for Sasuke or all for Naruto, but she WAS forced to make a choice between her love for one and her love for the other. At the time of the confession she wasn't able to love either of them completely, but chose to love Naruto sacrificially. In a way, Sakura has unrequited love on both sides of her equation.

The way the main love triangle has developed through the course of the story, the logical and most probable conclusion is the unchangeable Naruto's love will remain constant, Sasuke will not suddenly express feelings for Sakura that he's never had, and Sakura's confusion will resolve in favor of the man who loves her, who appears to be her true love, and in a way that strengthens her personal character.

Edited by KnS, 07 May 2013 - 05:43 PM.

[HauntedCake]

We aren't going to get an answer to the romance sector of Naruto fora long time

[TouKen4Life3g]

Obito also lose interest on Naruto since Naruto failed due to the fact he proved his point.

Yeah, which seems to leave him only Juubi, unless Obito returns ASAP, but I guess we have to see how Obito/Kakashi plays out first.

[Atheck]

The short answer is yes, I agree.

The long answer is, I think it's an interesting way to assess Naruto and Sakura's actions during her confession.

Naruto loves Sakura so much he puts his own feelings aside so she has a chance at the life she wants.
Sakura loves Naruto so much she puts her own feelings aside so he has a chance at the life he wants.

The difference lies in the feelings that are being put aside. Naruto is putting aside his feelings for her because of his feelings for her, while Sakura is putting aside her feelings for someone else because of her feelings for Naruto. It's very similar, but there's an important distinction there.

The way I see it, Naruto stopped her for several reasons. A main one being that his feelings are pure (by human standards, anyway) and they don't change. Once he's committed, he's committed -- in love, friendship, missions, whatever. I don't think he was capable of comprehending that Sakura might be willing to try giving up on a love she has held close to her heart because Naruto never would. He can't. It's not in his nature. He didn't want her to do it because for him, giving up is so wrong it's not possible. But at the time of the confession, at least, he didn't understand Sakura's conflict.

In a sense, Naruto has it easier than Sakura. His feelings are not conflicted or divided. They are all for Sakura and he hasn't been forced to make a choice between his love for her and someone else equally if not more important to him. He can love her completely and sacrificially -- as long as he can endure the pain of his unrequited love.

Sakura's feelings ARE conflicted and divided. They are not all for Sasuke or all for Naruto, but she WAS forced to make a choice between her love for one and her love for the other. At the time of the confession she wasn't able to love either of them completely, but chose to love Naruto sacrificially. In a way, Sakura has unrequited love on both sides of her equation.

The way the main love triangle has developed through the course of the story, the logical and most probable conclusion is the unchangeable Naruto's love will remain constant, Sasuke will not suddenly express feelings for Sakura that he's never had, and Sakura's confusion will resolve in favor of the man who loves her, who appears to be her true love, and in a way that strengthens her personal character.

A very impressive post. I think I will keep this saved in a file alongside numerous other arguments presented for NS from the debate thread. Things like this should be preserved not just because of their exceptional quality but because of its potential applications in an actual debate with contentious fans from other pairing fandoms. Not that anyone should use it without the creator's prior consent. If nothing else it can act as a personal motivator for reading when there are tumultuous periods on the forum or in the manga.

Edited by Atheck, 07 May 2013 - 06:14 PM.

[六道仙人]

Madara doesn't kittening care about Naruto.the only one who he is interesting in is Hashirama.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Madara doesn't kittening care about Naruto.the only one who he is interesting in is Hashirama.

Exactly.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Madara doesn't kittening care about Naruto.the only one who he is interesting in is Hashirama.

Why do you think he made a tattoo of Hashirama on his chest.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 May 2013 - 06:30 PM.

[T XD]

Now that Hashirama is back and is going to be talking face to face with Madara, I think Madara will have to deal too with the other Kages. But, I think that there will be some Hahirama-Madara talking first since they have a past.

[六道仙人]

Why do you think he made a tattoo of Hashirama on his chest.

but that wasn't made from Madara himself but from Kabuto.

[TouKen4Life3g]

but that wasn't made from Madara himself but from Kabuto.

I think he's just kidding. Though Kabuto was the one that did it. I guess Kabuto knows Madara has a thing for Hashirama. So, what a nice guy.

[redragon88]

@KnS

That was a pretty incredible post if I ever saw one. I agree in it's entirety.

[Chatte]

Kns, mind if I share it on Tumblr? Credited, of course. I think it's the best analyzed post I have seen regarding Sakura's love for both boys from someone. No offense to the others, you guys are also great but Kns's post just... pure perfection!

[TouKen4Life3g]

@KnS: Wow, how I missed that post. That was great.

[Dkey]

@Kns: Awesome analysis it seems that there are others that agree with what's written in the kizuna books.

Nothing much to add apart from the fact that the part where she wanted to give up her chance at being chuunin so that Naruto can have a chance. It seems that scene is more important than I personally thought it was.

[HauntedCake]

The short answer is yes, I agree.

The long answer is, I think it's an interesting way to assess Naruto and Sakura's actions during her confession.

Naruto loves Sakura so much he puts his own feelings aside so she has a chance at the life she wants.
Sakura loves Naruto so much she puts her own feelings aside so he has a chance at the life he wants.

The difference lies in the feelings that are being put aside. Naruto is putting aside his feelings for her because of his feelings for her, while Sakura is putting aside her feelings for someone else because of her feelings for Naruto. It's very similar, but there's an important distinction there.

The way I see it, Naruto stopped her for several reasons. A main one being that his feelings are pure (by human standards, anyway) and they don't change. Once he's committed, he's committed -- in love, friendship, missions, whatever. I don't think he was capable of comprehending that Sakura might be willing to try giving up on a love she has held close to her heart because Naruto never would. He can't. It's not in his nature. He didn't want her to do it because for him, giving up is so wrong it's not possible. But at the time of the confession, at least, he didn't understand Sakura's conflict.

In a sense, Naruto has it easier than Sakura. His feelings are not conflicted or divided. They are all for Sakura and he hasn't been forced to make a choice between his love for her and someone else equally if not more important to him. He can love her completely and sacrificially -- as long as he can endure the pain of his unrequited love.

Sakura's feelings ARE conflicted and divided. They are not all for Sasuke or all for Naruto, but she WAS forced to make a choice between her love for one and her love for the other. At the time of the confession she wasn't able to love either of them completely, but chose to love Naruto sacrificially. In a way, Sakura has unrequited love on both sides of her equation.

The way the main love triangle has developed through the course of the story, the logical and most probable conclusion is the unchangeable Naruto's love will remain constant, Sasuke will not suddenly express feelings for Sakura that he's never had, and Sakura's confusion will resolve in favor of the man who loves her, who appears to be her true love, and in a way that strengthens her personal character.

Amazing post!!!

Bolded: yeah, it would be an insult if Sakura chooses Sasuke >>>FOR A BAD REASON<<<<. If kishi can somehow miracuously make SS convincing and not an asspull then....

But how the hell will he be eevr able to do this lol???

Please... anyone tell me if kishi can make SS convincing???? Sasuke's secret feelings for her is about as good as it can get for SS really

[TouKen4Life3g]

Amazing post!!!

Bolded: yeah, it would be an insult if Sakura chooses Sasuke >>>FOR A BAD REASON<<<<. If kishi can somehow miracuously make SS convincing and not an asspull then....

But how the hell will he be eevr able to do this lol???

Please... anyone tell me if kishi can make SS convincing???? Sasuke's secret feelings for her is about as good as it can get for SS really

Yet still asspulling because it doesn't flow the story at all. Bring everything together and you will notice how damaging it is.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Amazing post!!!

Bolded: yeah, it would be an insult if Sakura chooses Sasuke >>>FOR A BAD REASON<<<<. If kishi can somehow miracuously make SS convincing and not an asspull then....

But how the hell will he be eevr able to do this lol???

Please... anyone tell me if kishi can make SS convincing???? Sasuke's secret feelings for her is about as good as it can get for SS really

Still asspull, Sasuke was never there when Sakura needed the most and neither added consistence to Sakura's character he's just her crush and nothing else.
It's not just Sasuke having secret feelings for Sakura but the fact that there's no reason on her love for him.
When you see all the relationships that worked up on the manga you encouragement (Dan/Tsunade), changing (Mina/Kushi), caring (Obi/Rin) you do not see it on SS what you can label for SS? there's nothing really, 0 buildup and also it's damaging because Sasuke never did anything to Sakura in terms of character, and vice-versa.

[HauntedCake]

Hmm but if Kishi is taking "the changed man sasuke" route.........

Edited by HauntedCake, 07 May 2013 - 09:31 PM.