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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I don't care who he is. YOU'RE the one who boasted about his achievements talking about how he is a professional critic. I said, he's a reader just like everyone else and his opinion doesn't overtake others because of his title. And how in the hell am I attacking him? I'm done dude. You're making some flat out ridiculous accusations.

Still "boasted" iw as trying to refute his points and even debating about his points, i never did "omg he's a professional critic his opinions are a fact".

[HauntedCake]

Didn't Obito went through the same? Well, minus the confession. I mean he witnessed Rin going all love for Kakashi and all he can do is watch and mope. Lastly, he got excited that he thought he was going to get something special from Rin, so he got all fired up and believed it was time to confess to her. Sadly, it was still about Kakashi, so that's pretty low blow without doing it intentional. Of course you can't do everything the same as Naruto but the point is that they feel the heartbroken feel when they see their love interest loving another, let alone your rival.

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[StriderC]

Still "boasted" iw as trying to refute his points and even debating about his points, i never did "omg he's a professional critic his opinions are a fact".

You threw him on a pedestal.


he's not biased, and it's from someome who has far more experience with manga than us and lives with it.


Yeah so let's close the forum to just our opinions because our opinions are better and throw opinions of people who are unbiased and passed years studying manga and become a proffessional critic, to a point that most of the parts he was able to give the same opinion of kishimoto even on that confession stuff.

Uh huh. Yup, you put him on a pedestal and you loved bringing up the fact that he was a critic like that was crucial.

Also, who in the hell said YOU felt what he said was factual?

You're also VERY good at putting words in my mouth. Half the stuff you're spouting in regards to what I'm saying doesn't even add up.

Edited by StriderC, 07 May 2013 - 03:08 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You threw him on a pedestal.


he's not biased, and it's from someome who has far more experience with manga than us and lives with it.


Yeah so let's close the forum to just our opinions because our opinions are better and throw opinions of people who are unbiased and passed years studying manga and become a proffessional critic, to a point that most of the parts he was able to give the same opinion of kishimoto even on that confession stuff.

Uh huh. Yup, you put him on a pedestal and you loved bringing up the fact that he was a critic like that was crucial.

Also, who in the hell said YOU felt what he said was factual?

You're also VERY good at putting words in my mouth. Half the stuff you're spouting in regards to what I'm saying doesn't even add up.

But still i wrote my opinions and write "walls of text" about his points and also putting mine and you retained only on "he's just a critic should not be taken seriously" i'm upset because it wasnt the topic that i was debating, i was debating on how SS is impossible to happen and how NH can only happen if SS happen because it will surely be with an asspull based on my opinions and also the critic opinions and you answered with forcibly changing the subject and almost leading into a fight.(retaining to discuss about he's just a critic).

This is not the topic i want to discuss so let's drop it.

I can predict because there has parallels and hints that Naruto got heartbroken so many times when she shoves on his face that she loves Sasuke, when Sakura cries because Sasuek joined Akatsuki he felt the same way like when they did the promise and even on the hospital scene, and i posted that image here couple of pages ago.

Also "Naruto has made vows" funny thing is that he promised to Tsunade he would be hokage but then says that he would die with Sasuke, and later says that he cant be hokage because he cant save a friend. says also that he would not die until he became hokage but then says that he would die with Sasuke.
Naruto has made so many promises that some of them contradict themselves.

it was not her fault because she didnt knew, look at all those moments when she did that and Naruto was there and he got heartbroken, and then when sai tells her that Naruto loves her, she felt she was an horrible person for breaking his heart.
But also with "Naruto moving on" you're basically replying my words back then, if Naruto would move on is because SS happened(which if happens will be with an asspull so if you already ruined the story why not make NH canon to seal the deal?) because it's not possible for him to move on without coming in terms with her feelings but the fact is that Sakura never did anything that would make him move on since she proved she cares more about him than Sasuke and the critic also states the same thing that Kishimoto had said but with other words.
She really cares about Naruto's feelings, which also makes impossible SS without Naruto and Sakura resolving their situation which also goes into a circle of disgreement because she knows for sure that Naruto will be heartbroken, and for Naruto no matter how he tries to deny this he will be heartbroken.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 May 2013 - 03:15 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So, how do you guys picture Obito going down? I know it's not really NS, but your prediction can lead to it. So what do you think?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

So, how do you guys picture Obito going down? I know it's not really NS, but your prediction can lead to it. So what do you think?

Well i think it will be something regarding to Rin because i dont think it will be Kakashi that will bring him back.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 May 2013 - 03:17 PM.

[StriderC]

But still i wrote my opinions and write "walls of text" about his points and also putting mine and you retained only on "he's just a critic should not be taken seriously" i'm upset because it wasnt the topic that i was debating, i was debating on how SS is impossible to happen and how NH can only happen if SS happen because it will surely be with an asspull based on my opinions and also the critic opinions and you answered with forcibly changing the subject and almost leading into a fight.(retaining to discuss about he's just a critic).

Okay, now, point out where I said he shouldn't be taken seriously.

And I lead you into a fight? LMAO Dude, you put words in my mouth SEVERAL times, and I ASKED a question because what you said made it SEEM like he one upped us readers because he was a professional critic with far more experience with manga than us readers... You boasted his title, and then tried to say that I feel as though his opinion is kitten because he is a critic when that's not even the case in the slightest. I didn't forcibly change anything, and if you feel this is leading to a fight then you're sadly wrong and it's clearly on your end.

And who cares if the subject gets changed. Happens all the damn time in this forum. If you don't want to respond and don't like where I'm going in my comments, then simply ignore me comment and continue on with your subject. Not everyone has to follow a particular subject in this forum.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well i think it will be something regarding to Rin because i dont think it will be Kakashi that will bring him back.

But she's dead and you said Kakashi won't bring him back. So how do you see it all goes down?

[StriderC]

You didnt even reply to my points.
You keep shoving into my face that my only posts where about i'm sayign his opinions are facts when i give my reply to those points, i'm happy with the fact that he basically said the same things that i was thinking, about Sakura, Naruto,NS and SS.

What points? I replied to your, "NH can only happen if SS happens". I didn't say you said his opinions were factual *again you're putting words in my mouth* but you did in fact boast his title. You brought it up numerous times like it was game changer or something.

LOL Just drop it dude. I don't want to derail you anymore than I have so hop back to your topic.

Edited by StriderC, 07 May 2013 - 03:31 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

What points? I replied to your, "NH can only happen if SS happens". I didn't say you said his opinions were factual *again you're putting words in my mouth* but you did in fact boast his title. You brought it up numerous times like it was game changer or something.

LOL Just drop it dude. I don't wan to derail you anymore than I have so hop back to your topic.

Anyway, what does this have to do with Naruto possibly moving on? You can bring up past moments, but that won't change what COULD happen. Kishi's running the show. I'm not saying it's going to since I'm sure Kishi is running for NS but I don't agree with, "NH can only happen if SS happens

it was not her fault because she didnt knew, look at all those moments when she did that and Naruto was there and he got heartbroken, and then when sai tells her that Naruto loves her, she felt she was an horrible person for breaking his heart.
But also with "Naruto moving on" you're basically replying my words back then, if Naruto would move on is because SS happened(which if happens will be with an asspull so if you already ruined the story why not make NH canon to seal the deal?) because it's not possible for him to move on without coming in terms with her feelings but the fact is that Sakura never did anything that would make him move on since she proved she cares more about him than Sasuke and the critic also states the same thing that Kishimoto had said but with other words.
She really cares about Naruto's feelings, which also makes impossible SS without Naruto and Sakura resolving their situation which also goes into a circle of disgreement because she knows for sure that Naruto will be heartbroken, and for Naruto no matter how he tries to deny this he will be heartbroken.

Is possible that SS may never happen if she keeps that love because she will be afraid of hurting Naruto's feelings and also Naruto who will tries to say that he will be fine but she knows he will be heartbroken, there's no way for SS to happen logically.

So what you do think?
i feel taht it's impossible for NH to happen first due to Naruto's love for Sakura and the need to come up with those terms(which has no reason to come up without Sakura having to take the first step).

But she's dead and you said Kakashi won't bring him back. So how do you see it all goes down?

Maybe saying that she loved him later or that she was struggling because of him.
It's going to be surprisingly though.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 May 2013 - 03:35 PM.

[StriderC]

So what you do think?
i feel taht it's impossible for NH to happen first due to Naruto's love for Sakura and the need to come up with those terms(which has no reason to come up without Sakura having to take the first step).

As I've said before, I don't entirely feel it's impossible. I mean, just look at what he did to Sasuke just recently. Sure, I knew eventually he was likely going to become a good guy again BUT I THOUGHT this would of been with Naruto's influence given it was what basically pushed the story but nope, Naruto had no part in this whatsoever. Not even a mention from Sasuke... So with that said, Kishi could very well push NH if he wanted to. No matter what we'd think about the situation and the story, that doesn't mean it can't happen.

Edited by StriderC, 07 May 2013 - 03:38 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

As I've said before, I don't entirely feel it's impossible. I mean, just look at what he did to Sasuke just recently. Sure, I knew eventually he was likely going to become a good guy again BUT I THOUGHT this would of been with Naruto's influence given it was what basically pushed the story but nope, Naruto had no part in this whatsoever. Not even a mention from Sasuke... So with that, said, Kishi could very well push NH if he wanted to. No matter what we'd think about the situation and the story, that doesn't mean it can't happen.

I think the same but i said impossible due to the fact he's incapable of making it canon without asspulling, which is bad.
What he did with Sasuke could be explainable since if he wants to become the "villain" if he will be he cant have the reason that he wants to destroy the entire world because of Itachi, and that he needs to purse a greater objective that conflicts with Naruto's beliefs.
I knew he would change but we doesnt know what he really wants and what his objectives are.
We dont know if he wants to pursue peace but for sure like Obito predicted that someome would do the same thing and that after the war the alliance will not exists anymore, maybe Sasuke will try to seek for a world were there will be no more people like him.
We also doenst know if Sasuke is really changed and due to the whole premise of shippuuden was about Naruto changing Sasuke then it's still open until it proves otherwise the only thing we can do is wait.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 May 2013 - 03:40 PM.

[Dkey]

We don't have the entire books translated but it seems he analyzed Naruto based on the themes present in the story.

It wasn't a Sakura, Naruto or NS analysis it was a love analysis and more specifically the love triangle. He also analyzed the main events of the love triangle (interesting that he considered the chuunin exam more important than the bench scene or any other scene). Why he didn't go more in depth with the analysis I don't know. Maybe because he didn't want to show any bias ( the fact that Naruto is still a work in progress makes any claim of pairing speculation) or any other reason.

Regardless he discussed the fact that Sakura wanted to repress her love for Sasuke just like Naruto did for Sakura but Naruto stopped her. Do you guys agree with this?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

We don't have the entire books translated but it seems he analyzed Naruto based on the themes present in the story.

It wasn't a Sakura, Naruto or NS analysis it was a love analysis and more specifically the love triangle. He also analyzed the main events of the love triangle (interesting that he considered the chuunin exam more important than the bench scene or any other scene). Why he didn't go more in depth with the analysis I don't know. Maybe because he didn't want to show any bias ( the fact that Naruto is still a work in progress makes any claim of pairing speculation) or any other reason.

Regardless he discussed the fact that Sakura wanted to repress her love for Sasuke just like Naruto did for Sakura but Naruto stopped her. Do you guys agree with this?

I felt the last part important because it does prove to me that he really loves her and makes it even harder to consider NH happening because he feels the same things as she feels and also understand Sakura perfectly like not even Sasuke was capable to, Naruto struggles trying to repress his love to make her happy and hiding this from her it was the reason why he knew she didnt loved him, because he felt she was struggling because of that, that she was doing the same thing as naruto, repressing her love for Sasuke to make Naruto happy and he doesnt want that he wants her to genuinely loves him, it's drama and more than that a beautiful scene and Naruto's proof of genuine love.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Maybe saying that she loved him later or that she was struggling because of him.
It's going to be surprisingly though.

But wouldn't that just make Obito goes further for the plan, since he has become selfish like that?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

But wouldn't that just make Obito goes further for the plan, since he has become selfish like that?

I think the same question should be asked to Sasuke, after hearing the story from Itachi's standpoint he said his hatred only increased and then when he heared it from the kages he suddenly decides to protect it like his hatred was vanished.

[Dkey]

I felt the last part important because it does prove to me that he really loves her and makes it even harder to consider NH happening because he feels the same things as she feels and also understand Sakura perfectly like not even Sasuke was capable to, Naruto struggles trying to repress his love to make her happy and hiding this from her it was the reason why he knew she didnt loved him, because he felt she was struggling because of that, that she was doing the same thing as naruto, repressing her love for Sasuke to make Naruto happy and he doesnt want that he wants her to genuinely loves him, it's drama and more than that a beautiful scene and Naruto's proof of genuine love.

I agree Naruto showed character by rejecting her there and calling her off on her feelings. I for one never considered that the confession is a parallel scene to the POAL and basically having both decide to repress their feelings for the other. Now even if the POAL is solved Sasuke is still a stepping stone for their relationship. Naruto will have to bring Sasuke and Sakura will have to sort her feelings. What I wonder thou is if Sakura really lied or was honest towards Naruto when she said that she loved him. I know after it was revealed she couldn't bring herself to kill Sasuke but still at least in her mind did she try to trick him or was she honest.

But wouldn't that just make Obito goes further for the plan, since he has become selfish like that?

Well hopefully he wont be changed by the words: "Friends who abandon their friends are worse than trash". Yet his situation is different. And in a way Naruto can't relate like he could with Nagato. Obito lost his loved one and having Naruto or Kakashi say " I know how you feel man" feels wrong. Not sure if he decides to betray Madara or not but maybe he will receive some form of closure just before he dies.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think the same question should be asked to Sasuke, after hearing the story from Itachi's standpoint he said his hatred only increased and then when he heared it from the kages he suddenly decides to protect it like his hatred was vanished.

Hm, perhaps a good point. I wouldn't be that confident that he's done with everything just yet. I wonder who will bring up the whole Rin's death. Most likely Obito.

[HauntedCake]

I think tommorrows chapter will be Naruto/Madara trash talking and then cutting to taka/kages

[sushi.]

I think tommorrows chapter will be Naruto/Madara trash talking and then cutting to taka/kages

You mean Naruto and Obito? I'm very tired of it. blabla..Shikaku told him not to talk to Tobi, but that's all he does