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#19121 六道仙人

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 12:59 PM

QUOTE (LadyGT @ May 7 2013, 02:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is kind of an OFF TOPIC but were the stickers that were handed during one of the specials conventions for RTN fake? I mean the one with written Sakura Uzumaki on them, I kind of lost track of that discussion.

And also about the "hug" in the Blood Prison novel, what bout it? Do we know something?


Those stickers were from a gathering of Naruto fans where there were also Jungo Takeuchi (or Chie Nakamura? I don't remember). I don't know if they were just fan made or made by studio pierrot just for fun.

The hug in blood Prison is present in the novel but, for some reason, they cutted it in the movie :S

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:05 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ May 7 2013, 08:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The problem with SS starts here.

Critic saying that Naruto also feels distressed may think that he also struggles with the fact she loves Sasuke which proves to me that he has feelings for her.
And also why he's not able to move on without coming in terms with Sakura which basically proves that Nh can only happen if SS happens first.


Just more merit then for NS, if Sakura can overcome her ideal crush on Sasuke as she is struggling with it, Naruto will overcome his struggle at trying to fulfill her happiness aside from his. Naruto has always sacrificed so much, that is part of his character and struggle. It takes a part on both of their concern for each other and devotion to each other that should come into effect later on. As I said, long as team 7 still has a story to finish, Naruto and Sakura will still get development and interaction. But even then, when it comes to sakura for Naruto, taking one line from ep 235 as Naruto once stated, "All that matters is her happiness." He just wants her to be happy no matter what and he is commited to that devotion. Should he succeed with Sasuke or Sakura come to him, that is how he would be okay with it. Sakura can get that development and final turn towards naruto rather than Sasuke. Despite their struggles with each other, its the close relationship that makes NaruSaku good, no matter what happens between them they are the closest of friends, they have seen Sasuke in the most evil he ever could be yet they are still the best of friends with each other. They support and have faith in each other. They also have concern and only want each other to be happy. If anything Sakura's land of iron event did show that she does only want Naruto's happiness and like the chunin exams long before, she only wants him to be happy as he does for her. That is what makes NS a good pairing.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:44 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ May 7 2013, 07:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The problem with SS starts here.

Critic saying that Naruto also feels distressed may think that he also struggles with the fact she loves Sasuke which proves to me that he has feelings for her.
And also why he's not able to move on without coming in terms with Sakura which basically proves that Nh can only happen if SS happens first.


Actually SS wouldn't have to happen first. Sakura could very well just end up saying she's not interested in Naruto in that manner, and push for him to move on but that hasn't happened. Also, that's not the ONLY way NH can happen. It could happen with Sakura not being with anyone. A couple doesn't have to happen for another to happen...

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:46 PM

Okay why the hell are you guys depending on something some critic said that he's NOT related to Kishimoto, or the Naruto manga or isn't even working with Shounen Jump??? Sheesh it's only his opinion it doesn't mean squat to the opinions coming from the mangaka who created the series.

Edited by Gravenimage, 07 May 2013 - 01:47 PM.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:48 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ May 7 2013, 08:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay why the hell are depending on something some critic said that he's NOT related to Kishimoto, or the Naruto manga or isn't even working with Shounen Jump??? Sheesh it's only his opinion doesn't mean squat to the one coming from the mangaka who created the series.


I sort of feel the same way. I don't even fully agree with their take on some of the scenes but it was a nice read for what it was. He's basically in the same boat as us readers are. That confession will still be up for interpretation and he gave us his take on it. Doesn't make it factual.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:54 PM

QUOTE (StriderC @ May 7 2013, 10:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually SS wouldn't have to happen first. Sakura could very well just end up saying she's not interested in Naruto in that manner, and push for him to move on but that hasn't happened. Also, that's not the ONLY way NH can happen. It could happen with Sakura not being with anyone. A couple doesn't have to happen for another to happen...

Still he will not move on because she would still be an option because Naruto never gives up, ending with Sasuke is basically a failure to him and something like "i could do anything then move on".
This speech that you tried to put as an example was basically why Jiraiya never stopped loving Tsunade at first place.

If SS happens Naruto is for sure or going to love Sakura 4ever but will probably run away into disgust(becaming a wanderer like Jiraiya) or will forcibly ends up with Hinata(because of pity) since his feelings will never be returned.
NH cant happen first because it's stupid for Naruto to just move on when he proves basically on every arc that he still loves her.

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ May 7 2013, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay why the hell are you guys depending on something some critic said that he's NOT related to Kishimoto, or the Naruto manga or isn't even working with Shounen Jump??? Sheesh it's only his opinion it doesn't mean squat to the opinions coming from the mangaka who created the series.

Because his opinion can be taken in consideration because he's not biased, and it's from someome who has far more experience with manga than us and lives with it.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 May 2013 - 01:58 PM.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:55 PM

QUOTE (StriderC @ May 7 2013, 06:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I sort of feel the same way. I don't even fully agree with their take on some of the scenes but it was a nice read for what it was. He's basically in the same boat as us readers are. That confession will still be up for interpretation and he gave us his take on it. Doesn't make it factual.


Not to mention the critic believes Sakura was lying in her confession when Kishi said she was been honest.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:01 PM

It's like what I always say, his bonds with Sasuke and Sakura are his hardest tasks of them all. While Sakura is still on his side, Naruto, without showing selfishness, wants to win Sakura's heart and to me, that tells me the end is given because of that. The hero is usually gifted in the most unexpected way. Naruto is going to end up getting that. It's funny because if Kishi wanted to end NS, he could have justify that he stopped way back in part 1, but with all hints and confirmation by Sai, he's not changing at all. Kishi wants us to support him, the character, so yeah, why not in love. Again, Naruto takes the pain from many ways, but he always move forward and never give up. Funny, because it does apply to winning her affection. I'm only reminded on how much I adore this pairing because it's realistic and both of them have issue to settle before finally entering the last door.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:01 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ May 7 2013, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not to mention the critic believes Sakura was lying in her confession when Kishi said she was been honest.

She lied when she said Sasuke means nothing to her, or are you going to also take it as like she being "honest".
Not everything on that confession was a lie.
The critic said, she lied when she told Naruto she loved her and Naruto knew that she was struggling because she was denying her true feelings because of Naruto and he didnt wanted to be like that, he did not wanted to cause pain to her, the reason why he said that phrase.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:02 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ May 7 2013, 08:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Still he will not move on because she would still be an option because Naruto never gives up, ending with Sasuke is basically a failure to him and something like "i could do anything then move on".
This speech that you tried to put as an example was basically why Jiraiya never stopped loving Tsunade at first place.


Um. what? Where did I put up a speech? And you can't peg what Naruto would do given you're not the author. Naruto has made vows, and some of these vows he's made hasn't been fulfilled and will probably never fulfilled and he's already failed at one just recently in this war with the comrades supposedly not dying. Why would he follow in Jiraiyas steps when it comes to love and love through and through even when he hasn't a chance. Tsunade ended up with Dan before, and Jiraiya still loved her.

If Naruto moved on from Sakura with a legitimate reason, and whatever other relationship he hops into was built up, I would care. As long as Sakura's character doesn't get wrecked in the process. Does this mean that Naruto has moved on? No, but anything is possible. I personally wouldn't cling so tightly to his vows. You see how the promise got tossed to the wayside in Sakura's confession.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:04 PM

QUOTE (StriderC @ May 7 2013, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Um. what? Where did I put up a speech? And you can't peg what Naruto would do given you're not the author. Naruto has made vows, and some of these vows he's made hasn't been fulfilled and will probably never fulfilled and he's already failed at one just recently in this war with the comrades supposedly not dying. Why would he follow in Jiraiyas steps when it comes to love and love through and through even when he hasn't a chance. Tsunade ended up with Dan before, and Jiraiya still loved her.

If Naruto moved on from Sakura with a legitimate reason, and whatever other relationship he hops into was built up, I would care. As long as Sakura's character doesn't get wrecked in the process. Does this mean that Naruto has moved on? No, but anything is possible. I personally wouldn't cling so tightly to his vows. You see how the promise got tossed to the wayside in Sakura's confession.

I can predict because there has parallels and hints that Naruto got heartbroken so many times when she shoves on his face that she loves Sasuke, when Sakura cries because Sasuek joined Akatsuki he felt the same way like when they did the promise and even on the hospital scene, and i posted that image here couple of pages ago.

Also "Naruto has made vows" funny thing is that he promised to Tsunade he would be hokage but then says that he would die with Sasuke, and later says that he cant be hokage because he cant save a friend. says also that he would not die until he became hokage but then says that he would die with Sasuke.
Naruto has made so many promises that some of them contradict themselves.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:04 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ May 7 2013, 08:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because his opinion can be taken in consideration because he's not biased, and it's from someome who has far more experience with manga than us and lives with it.


How in the world does he have far more experience with the manga when he's just a reader just like every other reader. He doesn't have more "experience" with the manga. He's not the author so who knows if he pegged what Kishi was trying to portray in the scene perfectly. Did Kishi confirm his words? I don't think so.

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ May 7 2013, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I cant predict because there has parallels and hints that Naruto got heartbroken so many times when she shoves on his face that she loves Sasuke, when Sakura cries because Sasuek joined Akatsuki he felt the same way like when they did the promise and even on the hospital scene, and i posted that image here couple of pages ago.


LOL @shoving her love in his face.

Anyway, what does this have to do with Naruto possibly moving on? You can bring up past moments, but that won't change what COULD happen. Kishi's running the show. I'm not saying it's going to since I'm sure Kishi is running for NS but I don't agree with, "NH can only happen if SS happens".

Edited by StriderC, 07 May 2013 - 02:08 PM.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:10 PM

Didn't Obito went through the same? Well, minus the confession. I mean he witnessed Rin going all love for Kakashi and all he can do is watch and mope. Lastly, he got excited that he thought he was going to get something special from Rin, so he got all fired up and believed it was time to confess to her. Sadly, it was still about Kakashi, so that's pretty low blow without doing it intentional. Of course you can't do everything the same as Naruto but the point is that they feel the heartbroken feel when they see their love interest loving another, let alone your rival.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:30 PM

Now I want to know what they say about Hinata's confession in the "encouragement" part ?


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:35 PM

QUOTE (StriderC @ May 7 2013, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How in the world does he have far more experience with the manga when he's just a reader just like every other reader. He doesn't have more "experience" with the manga. He's not the author so who knows if he pegged what Kishi was trying to portray in the scene perfectly. Did Kishi confirm his words? I don't think so.

Yeah so let's close the forum to just our opinions because our opinions are better and throw opinions of people who are unbiased and passed years studying manga and become a proffessional critic, to a point that most of the parts he was able to give the same opinion of kishimoto even on that confession stuff.


QUOTE (StriderC @ May 7 2013, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
LOL @shoving her love in his face.

Anyway, what does this have to do with Naruto possibly moving on? You can bring up past moments, but that won't change what COULD happen. Kishi's running the show. I'm not saying it's going to since I'm sure Kishi is running for NS but I don't agree with, "NH can only happen if SS happens".

it was not her fault because she didnt knew, look at all those moments when she did that and Naruto was there and he got heartbroken, and then when sai tells her that Naruto loves her, she felt she was an horrible person for breaking his heart.
But also with "Naruto moving on" you're basically replying my words back then, if Naruto would move on is because SS happened(which if happens will be with an asspull so if you already ruined the story why not make NH canon to seal the deal?) because it's not possible for him to move on without coming in terms with her feelings but the fact is that Sakura never did anything that would make him move on since she proved she cares more about him than Sasuke and the critic also states the same thing that Kishimoto had said but with other words.
She really cares about Naruto's feelings, which also makes impossible SS without Naruto and Sakura resolving their situation which also goes into a circle of disgreement because she knows for sure that Naruto will be heartbroken, and for Naruto no matter how he tries to deny this he will be heartbroken.

Is possible that SS may never happen if she keeps that love because she will be afraid of hurting Naruto's feelings and also Naruto who will tries to say that he will be fine but she knows he will be heartbroken, there's no way for SS to happen logically.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:45 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ May 7 2013, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah so let's close the forum to just our opinions because our opinions are better and throw opinions of people who are unbiased and passed years studying manga and become a proffessional critic, to a point that most of the parts he was able to give the same opinion of kishimoto even on that confession stuff.


Really dude? That doesn't change anything. "Ohhhh, I'm unbiased so I have a better opinion on a particular moment than a person who ships". No, that's not how it works. People can be biased to something and STILL have a very good opinion on any given situation. What you're doing is basically pushing others opinions aside because this guy is a critic. Well, guess what! Critics aren't always right and their opinion isn't absolute. Go to ANOTHER critic, and they likely won't have the exact same opinion as this guy. Hell, when it comes to movies, DIFFERENT critics rate it differently. No matter how you spin it, they're still a reader, a watcher just like all of us, so I'm not gonna place them on a pedestal just because they're just that, a reader.

As for the second bit that you bolded. No, I'm not saying what you said because you said that NH can ONLY happen if SS happens. Hell, it's on the last page so clearly, we see differently on that matter. I don't feel that SS has to happen for Naruto to move on, and it'd be jacked up if Sakura still didn't love Naruto, hooked up with some other guy but he stills wants her and is waiting for her. sleep.gif No. Some vows are gonna be broken. He's already broken some,

Edited by StriderC, 07 May 2013 - 02:49 PM.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:47 PM

QUOTE (StriderC @ May 7 2013, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Really dude? That doesn't change anything. "Ohhhh, I'm unbiased so I have a better opinion on a particular moment than a person who ships". No, that's not how it works. People can be biased to something and STILL have a very good opinion on any given situation. What you're doing is basically pushing others opinions aside because this guy is a critic. Well, guess what! Critics aren't always right and their opinion isn't absolute. Go to ANOTHER critic, and they likely won't have the exact same opinion as this guy. Hell, when it comes to movies, DIFFERENT critics rate it differently. No matter how you spin it, they're still a reader, a watcher just like all of us, so I'm not gonna place them on a pedestal just because they're just that, a reader.

Is not the same thing, didnt you wanted to discard his opinion just becasue he didnt work with Kishimoto?
DIdnt you basically showing off with my opinion is better he's just a manga critic or whatever, it's the same thing with NH/SS speople saying with RTN, omg there's another director working with Kishimoto so he must have done the movie while Kishimoto was just watching the movie shows anything abou author's intent.
you're basically attacking the person who did the claim instead of refuting the central point.
I'm trying to focus on his opinions not who he is.

He wrote an entire book, talked about particular scenes and give his opinions which most of them match with Kishimoto's thoughts and while most of them explains a lot of things from his own perspective, and none of the people here refuted his points, i see one here saying "but kishi said Sakura was 100% honest" or "he's just a manga critic", trying to change the subject.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:52 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ May 7 2013, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is not the same thing, didnt you wanted to discard his opinion just becasue he didnt work with Kishimoto?


When did I say I was gonna discard his opinion. I said I don't completely agree with the guy and I don't. I also don't feel what he speaks should be completely considered factual just because he's a critic. Critics aren't all knowing...


OMG. Are you serious? So you're saying that I FEEL MY opinion trumps his? If you are then I won't delve any further because CLEARLY you have me pegged completely WRONG.

Edited by StriderC, 07 May 2013 - 02:53 PM.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:53 PM

QUOTE (StriderC @ May 7 2013, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When did I say I was gonna discard his opinion. I said I don't completely agree with the guy and I don't. I also don't feel what he speaks should be completely considered factual just because he's a critic. Critics aren't all knowing...

So okay you doenst agree.
Agree to Disagree and move on.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:57 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ May 7 2013, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is not the same thing, didnt you wanted to discard his opinion just becasue he didnt work with Kishimoto?
DIdnt you basically showing off with my opinion is better he's just a manga critic or whatever, it's the same thing with NH/SS speople saying with RTN, omg there's another director working with Kishimoto so he must have done the movie while Kishimoto was just watching the movie shows anything abou author's intent.
you're basically attacking the person who did the claim instead of refuting the central point.
I'm trying to focus on his opinions not who he is.

He wrote an entire book, talked about particular scenes and give his opinions which most of them match with Kishimoto's thoughts and while most of them explains a lot of things from his own perspective, and none of the people here refuted his points, i see one here saying "but kishi said Sakura was 100% honest".


I don't care who he is. YOU'RE the one who boasted about his achievements talking about how he is a professional critic. I said, he's a reader just like everyone else and his opinion doesn't overtake others because of his title. And how in the hell am I attacking him? I'm done dude. You're making some flat out ridiculous accusations. sleep.gif




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