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[redragon88]

Whaat spoilers? Where? I read somewhere it's something that could bring up Sakura-Tsunade bonding??

It's all in the chapter thread, although it seems to only have been a fan prediction according to 六道仙人. Speaking of which:

@ 六道仙人

If you have the time, could you let us know about the critic's note of Kizuna regarding Sakura wanting to quit the chunin exams for Naruto's sake?

Edited by redragon88, 07 May 2013 - 10:44 AM.

[六道仙人]

It's all in the chapter thread, although it seems to only have been a fan prediction according to 六道仙人. Speaking of which:

@ 六道仙人

If you have the time, could you let us know about the critic's note of Kizuna regarding Sakura wanting to quit the chunin exams for Naruto's sake?

lol what a coincidence.. I was doing that just now... well,

131中忍試験でナルト達は「失敗したら中忍試験の受験資格を剥奪される」という課題を受けるか否か迫られる。しかも一人の命運は、同班の二名も道連れにする決まりだ。その選択を迫られた時、サクラは棄権を決意する。自分のためでなく「火影になる」というナルトの夢を守るために。苦楽を共にする内に、ナルトの夢はサクラ願いにもなっていた。
131.During the chuunin exams with the challenge of “If you fail the test of eligibility for admission to take the exam, you would be deprived (of it)”, Naruto&Friends were compeled about whether to take it (the test) or not. Moreover, it’s settled that the doom of a single person involves also the other 2 members of the team. When she had to compel that choice, Sakura is determined to abstain. For the sake of protecting Naruto’s dream which is “Becoming Hokage”. While they share joys and sorrows, Naruto’s dream was also that what Sakura wishes.

Now i'm doing the other two.

[Chatte]

"Naruto's dream was also what Sakura wishies" aah, so beautiful! ♥

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Some translations of Kizuna. On the love category (though the one about Sakura raising her hand is not around, I'll post it whenever it gets translated)--



Not really negative for SS as first thought. Concerning the opinion on 469, I'm not surprised.

Not really, it was never to say "SS is dead" it explains why she was so attached to it, but still he severed that bond he doesnt love her.

Why is this Kizuna book such a big deal? If Kishi didn't make it, why should it really be used as evidence?

No one here is using as an evidence, but it's a good point to see opinions from someome who's proffesional with manga, and it's not biased.

[Dkey]

131.During the chuunin exams with the challenge of “If you fail the test of eligibility for admission to take the exam, you would be deprived (of it)”, Naruto&Friends were compeled about whether to take it (the test) or not. Moreover, it’s settled that the doom of a single person involves also the other 2 members of the team. When she had to compel that choice, Sakura is determined to abstain. For the sake of protecting Naruto’s dream which is “Becoming Hokage”. While they share joys and sorrows, Naruto’s dream was also that what Sakura wishes.

So she wants to see Naruto become Hokage? Hmm nothing new here thou.

[redragon88]

lol what a coincidence.. I was doing that just now... well,

Now i'm doing the other two.

Awesome, thanks for the hard work. Let us know about the rest when you can.

131中忍試験でナルト達は「失敗したら中忍試験の受験資格を剥奪される」という課題を受けるか否か迫られる。しかも一人の命運は、同班の二名も道連れにする決まりだ。その選択を迫られた時、サクラは棄権を決意する。自分のためでなく「火影になる」というナルトの夢を守るために。苦楽を共にする内に、ナルトの夢はサクラ願いにもなっていた。
131.During the chuunin exams with the challenge of “If you fail the test of eligibility for admission to take the exam, you would be deprived (of it)”, Naruto&Friends were compeled about whether to take it (the test) or not. Moreover, it’s settled that the doom of a single person involves also the other 2 members of the team. When she had to compel that choice, Sakura is determined to abstain. For the sake of protecting Naruto’s dream which is “Becoming Hokage”. While they share joys and sorrows, Naruto’s dream was also that what Sakura wishes.

Sakura-chaaaaaaan!!!!!

[Inferno180]

These kizuna books are just critic opinion, but it does seem neat that our own guesses were generally on the same level as these critics.

Still the manga is right where it counts so these just attribute some insight to a few events.

So nothing really new that we didn't know before, so in anycase, I think I can say this: These books prove we know the manga from our views from before, not evidence for NS just that we know how the pairing is.

Still I do get the feeling the the whole Land of Iron confession event from their view, they said Naruto understood Sakura's pain for her reasons regarding him and Sasuke. If thats the case, maybe thats just even more reason for Naurto not being over Sakura, if anything this should just be intrepting that Naruto had simply forgiven her and chose to move forward, basically forgive and forget, espcially since the critic said he understood her pain and why she was doing it on part for him. If anything, Naruto still loves Sakura, he just prefers to look at the future and out of all people, only 2 people Naruto would never give up on are Sasuke and Sakura.

Again these books are not evidcence but its neat to see input from others. Even they were able to clearly see this story stuff like us, and we would be considered amatuers. I feel this was just a book for clairity on the situation of somethings. No logical way Naruto would just go to Hinata and be over Sakura after the land of iron event when he knew her pain and reasons why. The NaruSaku bond is still strong.

This was neat: Sakura's wishes are Naruto's dreams that is a deep one.

Also before I go on to do my LAP review about RtN, may need to ask which thread many would find it best with I mean there are a lot of things I am going to cover.

Edited by Inferno180, 07 May 2013 - 11:42 AM.

[六道仙人]

ok, done. I post all of three cards regarding NS

131中忍試験でナルト達は「失敗したら中忍試験の受験資格を剥奪される」という課題を受けるか否か迫られる。しかも一人の命運は、同班の二名も道連れにする決まりだ。その選択を迫られた時、サクラは棄権を決意する。自分のためでなく「火影になる」というナルトの夢を守るために。苦楽を共にする内に、ナルトの夢はサクラ願いにもなっていた。
131.During the chuunin exams with the challenge of “If you fail the test of eligibility for admission to take the exam, you would be deprived (of it)”, Naruto&Friends were compeled about whether to take it (the test) or not. Moreover, it’s settled that the doom of a single person involves also the other 2 members of the team. When she had to compel that choice, Sakura is determined to abstain. For the sake of protecting Naruto’s dream which is “Becoming Hokage”. While they share joys and sorrows, Naruto’s dream was also that what Sakura wishes.

132サスケが里を抜けた時、サクラはナルトに「連れ戻して...」と懇願する。サクラに想いを寄せるがため、その言葉に鋭い胸の痛みを覚えるナルト。それでも彼は親指を立て、自身の忍道に誓いを立てた。サクラがどれだけサスケを好きか、そしてサスケを止められなかったことにどれほど苛まれているか...。その苦しみを、ナルトは誰より深く知るからだ。
When Sasuke leaved the village, Sakura beseeches Naruto by saying “Bring him back...”. Sakura was giving her heart to him. These words feel like a painful stabbing in Naruto’s heart. Even so, he put his thumb up and took on oath to his ninja way itself. How much Sakura loves Sasuke, how much she’s tormented for the matter of which she wasn’t capable to stop Sasuke... Since Naruto knows that distress more deeply than anyone.

135抜け忍となったサスケの討伐命令が下った時、サクラはナルトの心中をおもんぱかり、かつてサスケを連れ戻してと頼んだ自分の言葉が、ナルトを縛っていることに思い至る。その呪縛からナルトを解くため、サクラはナル トに告白する。しかし、ナルトには分かっていた。それがサクラの本心でないことを。そして、自分の気持ちに背く彼女の痛みを。
135.When they hanged down the order of suppressing Sasuke since he has become a missing ninja, Sakura consideres carefully (the feelings) inside Naruto’s heart and realizes that her own words about she requested him to bring the old Sasuke back is a trouble that is binding Naruto. In order to unbind that curse from Naruto, Sakura confesses (her love) to him. However Naruto understood it. It's that those aren't Sakura's true feelings. And (he knows) her distress that she runs counter to her own feelings.

Edited by 六道仙人, 07 May 2013 - 11:43 AM.

[Dkey]

@Rikudou:

Nice so his interpretation is that Naruto is smarter than usual. So she did confess that she loves him but Naruto knew that he wasn't first in her heart. And that's why he told her that she was lying to herself.

Well it seems that the critic acknowledges some feelings between them but Sasuke is making things complicated.

[redragon88]

@六道仙人

Well, it official. Naruto is the one that suffers the most for his love.

That's the thing about Naruto, every aspect of his life is meant to be a difficult challenge to overcome. Sasuke and Sakura are the hardest of all since they are his teammates. It all began with them so it has to end with them.

Sakura was never supposed to stop loving Sasuke until the climax of Naruto came, and the Summit arc was way before that. Sakura has the basis for falling in love with Naruto considering all that has happened. The only thing we can do is wait to see how she'll finally do it for real.

Edited by redragon88, 07 May 2013 - 12:01 PM.

[Inferno180]

@Rikudou:

Nice so his interpretation is that Naruto is smarter than usual. So she did confess that she loves him but Naruto knew that he wasn't first in her heart. And that's why he told her that she was lying to herself.

Well it seems that the critic acknowledges some feelings between them but Sasuke is making things complicated.

Sasuke is the complicated one, so its just natural he makes everything complicated for Naruto, Sakura, Kakashi, the leaf, Orochimaru, Itachi, the Akakstui, Bee, the cloud village, the shinobi world, even Obito. So because he is complicated he makes just so many issues for so many people.

Naruto knows her very well too, but if anything is known, Naruto knew Sakura had a motive despite her attempts to try and free him, to give him happiness at the cost of her own. He questioned her from the exact start and asked her if it was so joke and she continued. But in the second half of the confession Sakura was perfectly honest about why she didn't want Naruto doing it before Naruto stated he was after Sasuke for other reasons, mainly because he understood revenge.

Also 2 things which was never mentioned that many overlook:
-Naruto never condinuted Sakura once she asked "if you don't like me then just say it", instead of answering this he just continues saying it makes no sense, out of all times and places, Naruto was not stupid he knew there was a truth.
-Naruto is unaware of Sakura's knowledge of him loving her. This can always come back, the development between them is not finished, as long as team 7 has a story there is still development to be had between Naruto and Sakura. Sakura is still able to get that gradual shift or realization, that mature transition to overcome Sasuke.

[HauntedCake]

@六道仙人

Well, it official. Naruto is the one that suffers the most for his love.

That's the thing about Naruto, every aspect of his life is meant to be a difficult challenge to overcome. Sasuke and Sakura are the hardest of all since they are his teammates. It all began with them so it has to end with them.

Sakura was never supposed to stop loving Sasuke until the climax of Naruto came, and the Summit arc was way before that. Sakura has the basis for falling in love with Naruto considering all that has happened. The only thing we can do is wait to see how she'll finally do it for real.

Bolded: yep Naruto always suffers the most.

[Dkey]

@六道仙人

Well, it official. Naruto is the one that suffers the most for his love.

That's the thing about Naruto, every aspect of his life is meant to be a difficult challenge to overcome. Sasuke and Sakura are the hardest of all since they are his teammates. It all began with them so it has to end with them.

Sakura was never supposed to stop loving Sasuke until the climax of Naruto came, and the Summit arc was way before that. Sakura has the basis for falling in love with Naruto considering all that has happened. The only thing we can do is wait to see how she'll finally do it for real.

Not just love but bonds mostly. As you said Sasuke and Sakura are the hardest even thou Sakura tries to not be a pain for him anymore.

[redragon88]

Bolded: yep Naruto always suffers the most.

And that's why we have to cheer for him to achieve what makes him the most happy, part of which involves Sakura being able to properly reciprocate his love. That's what most people tend to forget just because it comes into clash with their preferred pairing.

Remember that message that Kishimoto once wrote "Please continue to support Naruto" with a picture of Naruto and Menma. And he wasn't referring to the series, he was referring to the character himself.

@六道仙人

I'm curious about this part:

And (he knows) her distress that she runs counter to her own feelings.

Does Sakura feel distressed for saying that she loves Naruto or for denying she has feelings for Sasuke, or maybe it's a combination of both?

Not sure at which part they make reference for the distressed part. Just curious.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

And that's why we have to cheer for him to achieve what makes him the most happy, part of which involves Sakura being able to properly reciprocate his love. That's what most people tend to forget just because it comes into clash with their preferred pairing.

Remember that message that Kishimoto once wrote "Please continue to support Naruto" with a picture of Naruto and Menma. And he wasn't referring to the series, he was referring to the character himself.

@六道仙人

I'm curious about this part:



Does Sakura feel distressed for saying that she loves Naruto or for denying she has feelings for Sasuke, or maybe it's a combination of both?

Not sure at which part they make reference for the distressed part. Just curious.

Her distress comes from the fact she was denying her true feelings, she was lying to Naruto on this part and this was the reason why she went to kill Sasuke, to end everything.

[LadyGT]

This is kind of an OFF TOPIC but were the stickers that were handed during one of the specials conventions for RTN fake? I mean the one with written Sakura Uzumaki on them, I kind of lost track of that discussion.

And also about the "hug" in the Blood Prison novel, what bout it? Do we know something?

Edited by LadyGT, 07 May 2013 - 12:31 PM.

[六道仙人]

And that's why we have to cheer for him to achieve what makes him the most happy, part of which involves Sakura being able to properly reciprocate his love. That's what most people tend to forget just because it comes into clash with their preferred pairing.

Remember that message that Kishimoto once wrote "Please continue to support Naruto" with a picture of Naruto and Menma. And he wasn't referring to the series, he was referring to the character himself.

@六道仙人

I'm curious about this part:



Does Sakura feel distressed for saying that she loves Naruto or for denying she has feelings for Sasuke, or maybe it's a combination of both?

Not sure at which part they make reference for the distressed part. Just curious.

I think that the critic was saying just that Naruto knows how much painful is for her with running counter to her feelings since he felt the same thing (remember the POL?).

[Inferno180]

Her distress comes from the fact she was denying her true feelings, she was lying to Naruto on this part and this was the reason why she went to kill Sasuke, to end everything.

That's the deal, she loved Sasuke but knew what he had become and what both Sasuke and she herself had been causing Naruto, so she sought to kill Sasuke to stop him from becoming worse and to free naruto from the promise which could be a potential death sentience he put on himself. She knew Naruto would still stick with it and continue though (as sai said she basically anticpated it). As Sai said though, she was thinking of him rather than Sasuke. Naruto understood the pain Sakura was dealing with, her own anxitey and pain over what Sasuke became and what she had uninteninally done to Naruto.

The deal with the lie to themselves line, Naruto just rather wants her to be honest with herself, not hear what he wants to hear. He knew it was not real because of the situation and the timing, as he said why now of all places, he knew she would not go all the way out there just to tell him that and have a team for it as well. Sakura in 470 though gave him her reasons for not following Sasuke only to see that Naruto had the deal with understanding revenge and this was why he would not give up. He just had another reason for Sasuke now stacked on top of the promise. He may have been angry at first but obviously he learned all the reasons from Sai. If anything after this event, I'm still sure that Naruto is the forgive and forget type person, espcially when it comes to Sakura. I mean he always saw Sasuke as a friend and good in him despite the acts he commited, I'm sure he had nothing bad towards Sakura and still loves her. The lie to themselves line I feel can come back to impact Sakura when it deals with Sasuke. Sakura may have felt forced due to her position during the confession but then again, she always has been conflicted between Naruto's efforts and Sasuke's trouble making.

[redragon88]

I think that the critic was saying just that Naruto knows how much painful is for her with running counter to her feelings since he felt the same thing (remember the POL?).

Ohhhhhhhh, so in the same way Naruto repressed her love for Sakura she did the same with her feelings for Sasuke, but Naruto doesn't want her to feel the same pain he did back then so that's why he snapped at her.

So even if Naruto believes Sakura does love him he knows that her feelings for Sasuke are still there and doesn't want her to pretend otherwise.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

That's the deal, she loved Sasuke but knew what he had become and what both Sasuke and she herself had been causing Naruto, so she sought to kill Sasuke to stop him from becoming worse and to free naruto from the promise which could be a potential death sentience he put on himself. She knew Naruto would still stick with it and continue though (as sai said she basically anticpated it). As Sai said though, she was thinking of him rather than Sasuke. Naruto understood the pain Sakura was dealing with, her own anxitey and pain over what Sasuke became and what she had uninteninally done to Naruto.

The deal with the lie to themselves line, Naruto just rather wants her to be honest with herself, not hear what he wants to hear. He knew it was not real because of the situation and the timing, as he said why now of all places, he knew she would not go all the way out there just to tell him that and have a team for it as well. Sakura in 470 though gave him her reasons for not following Sasuke only to see that Naruto had the deal with understanding revenge and this was why he would not give up. He just had another reason for Sasuke now stacked on top of the promise. He may have been angry at first but obviously he learned all the reasons from Sai. If anything after this event, I'm still sure that Naruto is the forgive and forget type person, espcially when it comes to Sakura. I mean he always saw Sasuke as a friend and good in him despite the acts he commited, I'm sure he had nothing bad towards Sakura and still loves her. The lie to themselves line I feel can come back to impact Sakura when it deals with Sasuke. Sakura may have felt forced due to her position during the confession but then again, she always has been conflicted between Naruto's efforts and Sasuke's trouble making.

135抜け忍となったサスケの討伐命令が下った時、サクラはナルトの心中をおもんぱかり、かつてサスケを連れ戻してと頼んだ自分の言葉が、ナルトを縛っていることに思い至る。その呪縛からナルトを解くため、サクラはナル トに告白する。しかし、ナルトには分かっていた。それがサクラの本心でないことを。そして、自分の気持ちに背く彼女の痛みを。
135.When they hanged down the order of suppressing Sasuke since he has become a missing ninja, Sakura consideres carefully (the feelings) inside Naruto’s heart and realizes that her own words about she requested him to bring the old Sasuke back is a trouble that is binding Naruto. In order to unbind that curse from Naruto, Sakura confesses (her love) to him. However Naruto understood it. It's that those aren't Sakura's true feelings. And (he knows) her distress that she runs counter to her own feelings.

The problem with SS starts here.

Critic saying that Naruto also feels distressed may think that he also struggles with the fact she loves Sasuke which proves to me that he has feelings for her.
And also why he's not able to move on without coming in terms with Sakura which basically proves that Nh can only happen if SS happens first.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 May 2013 - 12:57 PM.