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[redragon88]

Yeah well I was just ranting about how endings are made. Halo 3 unfortunately isn't a game I experienced first hand. I like to play games for their storylines and because I couldn't be arsed to buy a Xbox but I still saw a lot of playthroughs and read a lot about the game series and this was the impression it left on me. This year Crysis 3 was launched and because I don't have a directx 11 on my laptop's video card I couldn't play it but saw the playthroughs and the ending. Considering the ending and the fact that Crytek would stop making games in the series I felt a little let down by the Ceph mess. The book that came with the second game hinted at so much more yet the third had a different theme, ( hinted thou in the second game) and the ending was.... Never mind it's not the place to rant about endings.

@Redragon88: Well even thou she was added in shippuden gotta say for the killer bee and danzou fight she pretty much was there. Not to fight like let's say Suigetsu or Hinata but her comments on the fight offered a different perspective on the fight. Hinata is a fighting character not a support one and she did her fighting but didn't had an opponent per say like other characters. It seems that her moment to shine was 615. Yet I want to ask you something else? Do you think the 615 will connect with another moment in this arc that would finnally conclude her development or it was 615, we get to see her in a few shots and then hopefully we are going to see Naruto's take on the entire matter. I mean Kishi having Naruto ignore Hinata really gave fuel to this shipping war.

Nah, she done.

In all seriousness I really don't know. Maybe she'll just fade into the background never to come again, maybe she'll see how Naruto loves Sakura and give silent approval since she wants the best for Naruto.

What I'm sure of is that her moment to shine in the war is done. If she gets focus again it will be along the rest of the alliance and not as an individual.

@NaruSaku4Life3g

Thanks for your answers.

Edited by redragon88, 06 May 2013 - 07:48 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well Kishi created two small character focus polls. One is Naruto the other Sasuke. So Hinata's actions where shown focused when the story was regarding Naruto's actions ( Pain arc, Shinobi arc, Ten tails arc) while Karin belongs to Sasuke's character group. But she didn't really push the plot. Apart from the moment Sasuke decides to impale her with Chidori in order to kill Danzou. In the killer bee fight she healed him when he was injured, ( and indirectly helped him gain a new ability), and in the Danzou fight she was only seeing Sasuke's internal transformation.

She doesn't push the plot but it seems like she's made to be like what if Sakura actually do something right for him and much more. Karin is not only bossy, but she can tell something is wrong and see it evolve as well as being a good support for Sasuke, hence Tobi's comment. I'm not saying they're going out, but I'm saying that the team he has is good enough for him. Karin is a good support for the team. Not sure if the bite is exclusive for Sasuke but that's besides the point. The point is that her character is part of Sasuke's newfound family, similar to Team 7, and to me, I think Kishi sees it more relevant than his other side characters with developments, believe it or not.

[redragon88]

Well Kishi created two small character focus polls. One is Naruto the other Sasuke. So Hinata's actions where shown focused when the story was regarding Naruto's actions ( Pain arc, Shinobi arc, Ten tails arc) while Karin belongs to Sasuke's character group. But she didn't really push the plot. Apart from the moment Sasuke decides to impale her with Chidori in order to kill Danzou. In the killer bee fight she healed him when he was injured, ( and indirectly helped him gain a new ability), and in the Danzou fight she was only seeing Sasuke's internal transformation.

Not really sure what you want to say with that. Are you saying Hinata = Karin in regards to Naruto and Sasuke? I highly disagree.

If anything Sakura = Karin since Sakura has been besides Naruto's journey of light and Karin was in Sasuke's journey of darkness. Not to mention that they both heal their respective man. But of course Sakura has more relevance given that she's a main character and member of the original Team 7.

Since Sasuke doesn't have that many true companions at his side we can't really find any character the would equal Hinata for him. Team Taka is his new Team 7, but Sasuke doesn't have anyone besides that. The Hokage aren't really his companions, they just made an alliance in order to make sure the world doesn't become an illusion.

[Inferno180]

Focus on the big picture. The only times I remember Hinata being of note in Part 2 are the chapter of her introduction, her confession chapter and those three you mentioned. That's a grand total of 5 chapters in which she actually mattered.

Her involvement in the Itachi arc is nearly forgettable since she wasn't connected to the plot. She was just there to assist as a background character.

The you have Karin being essential in the pursuit of Itachi and evasion of Konoha, you have her assisting Sasuke in the fight against Killer Bee, and you have her dealing with Sasuke's darkness in the Summit arc. That's a lot of relevance in a lot of chapters.

God I cannot believe I did not notice this, Karin is actually more important than Hinata

She has had active involvement, generally around Sasuke, but this goes across the Itachi pursuit arc to the invasion of pain to the 5 kage summit and now her reunion with taka. She has had an active involvement even if she purely was on the sidelines. I mean Sakura does fight in a bit minor roles for most battles, but Karin is just a sensor and medic. Sakura is a fighter and medic. Yet What has Hinata done of importance? Get blasted in the face twice and lose her cooler well developed cousin.

Its like if Sakura ended up defending Naruto in the next few chapters but gets gravely injured (I don't believe she would die, if she died it would ruin a lot of the story.) The majority of fans would go "Haha serves you right you pink haired *****." Yet with Hinata, they go "Aww she got stabbed though the abdomen again, that must be love." Before 615, they claimed Hinata would never hit Naruto on purpose, yet she does in 615 and they become double standard boot lickers again. This whole mental gymnastics stuff really gets tiresome.

If we want to go by prominent active female characters in order, I think it would be like this:
1. Sakura - as she is the heroine she has the most screentime
2. Tsunade - she is the hokage, she has a constant reoccurring but also takes some active roles like in her intro arc, pain, and obviously the war.
3. Ino - not as enduring but she did get a major arc with team 10 and that part in the war arc when facing edo Asuma with Shikamaru and Choji.
4. Shizune - generally follows Tsunade around and only has a comment or two but she appears more than most others and yet has less importance in the story aside from being Tsuande's aid.
5. Karin- She was around heavily at the start of the Itachi pursuit but still had present roles with the killer bee fight and her betrayal at the 5 kage summit.
6. Hinata- now we have Hinata, she takes a backseat to all these other ladies. Her only arc of having a significant role is still the chunin exams, after Naruto pummels Neji, her importance in part 1 ends. In part 2 she makes a minor reappearance and does nothing until pain. Then another 4 years until 615. Even for her major moments, they are minimal, they just literally come forward once every 100 chapters. Even then, because her first reappearance towards Naruto was only her reintro, that does not count for development. Literally from her ending role in the chunin exams until pain, hinata does nothing for the story. 332 chapters of nothing. This is supposed to be important? Thats practically half the series. NH fans think that this big gap can be erased, it cannot. Yeah she was around in the Itachi pursuit but that arc was focused on Sasuke and Itachi, Naruto, Sakura, Kakashi, and everyone else had no real development that arc. Hinata literally spends most of her time in the crowd.
7. Tenten- her roles are minimal and battles are offscreen. She has had some activity in the kazekage rescue arc but TenTen is practically non-existent.
8. Temari- she is only important when Gaara is around. Even then it is a highly rare to see Temari.

So this is as I see with the reoccurring females most with constant activity in the manga. Sakura at the top (no suprise here) and Temari at the back.

[Dkey]

Not really sure what you want to say with that. Are you saying Hinata = Karin in regards to Naruto and Sasuke? I highly disagree.

If anything Sakura = Karin since Sakura has been besides Naruto's journey of light and Karin was in Sasuke's journey of darkness. Not to mention that they both heal their respective man. But of course Sakura has more relevance given that she's a main character and member of the original Team 7.

Since Sasuke doesn't have that many true companions at his side we can't really find any character the would equal Hinata for him. Team Taka is his new Team 7, but Sasuke doesn't have anyone besides that. The Hokage aren't really his companions, they just made an alliance in order to make sure the world doesn't become an illusion.

No hell no. In fact apart from 615 I don't really see her helping more than others. Karin has that for Sasuke. She did save his life. They are similar in the fact that all they're actions are focused on one of the main 2 characters. I thought that Karin would have some involvement after she was brought back to Konoha in regards to Naruto but her only comment was that Naruto was the antithesis of Sasuke. And that he had some darkness in him. Maybe she was the only one who could give that comment.

Sakura = Karin. Well yes and no. She was there for Naruto, and helped him but she is also her own character. And while Karin goes because of Sasuke, Sakura shares some of Naruto's burdens.

I'm indifferent but I do like it in maybe guilty pleasure way. For the love of god, anyone, don't start saying side shipping........

I also have started liking SK, ironically after the reveal of the sorry thing in 627. And I feel you on the side shipping thing. I just wanna see what happens next

Edited by Dkey, 06 May 2013 - 08:06 PM.

[Sojobo]

I don't know. Maybe a bit close. Karin might be behind a little. Then again, maybe I should do a count. Hinata got more shots in 559, 614, and 615. Then again, Karin sure got a lot in Kage Summit Arc. She's still relevant than her. Yeah, I said it.

There is intrigue with Karin, Hinata not. So even if Hinata has more screentime than her right now, her importance will not affect the mainplot like Karin WILL in the futur.
Remember Suigetsu talk about "I know in the past, you and Sasuke..." ?
Also, she is part of the main clan's of the series. In Naruto, Uchiha, Senju and Uzumaki are the most important clans in the whole story. Karin and Naruto are the only Uzumaki's left in this world (Karin's village was destroyed), this isn't a coincidence.

Karin has an impact on both Naruto (she probably will in the futur) and Sasuke. Hinata, only on Naruto.

Edited by Sojobo, 06 May 2013 - 08:51 PM.

[Shadow1275]

There is intrigue with Karin, Hinata not. So even if Hinata has more screentime than her right now, her importance will not affect the mainplot like Karin WILL in the futur.
Remember Suigetsu talk about "I know in the past, you and Sasuke..." ?
Also, she is part of the main clan's of the series. In Naruto, Uchiha, Senju and Uzumaki are the most important clans in the whole story. Karin and Naruto are the only Uzumaki's left in this world (Karin's village was destroyed), this isn't a coincidence.

Karin has an impact on both Naruto (she probably will in the futur) and Sasuke. Hinata, only on Naruto.

I agree except for one thing: has Hinata really had that much of an effect on Naruto?

When he vowed to defeat Neji, the reason he made that vow was because Neji said that people couldn't change themselves. Then the next spotlight moment, Hinata's confession, Naruto pushed it to the side and hasn't answered her. Finally after Hinata's speech in 615, Naruto is still very distraught and needs the fox to remind him of his parents' sacrifice in order to get better.

To me anyway it doesn't seem like Hinata can reach Naruto the way any of his closer friends can. Even Shikamaru managed to help Naruto overcome his feelings when Jiraiya died.

[Inferno180]

There is intrigue with Karin, Hinata not. So even if Hinata has more screentime than her right now, her importance will not affect the mainplot like Karin WILL in the futur.
Remember Suigetsu talk about "I know in the past, you and Sasuke..." ?
Also, she is part of the main clan's of the series. In Naruto, Uchiha, Senju and Uzumaki are the most important clans in the whole story. Karin and Naruto are the only Uzumaki's left in this world (Karin's village was destroyed), this isn't a coincidence.

Karin has an impact on both Naruto (she probably will in the futur) and Sasuke. Hinata, only on Naruto.

Well there is a whole chain of character associations and who associates with who.

Naruto for instance, obviously Sasuke, Sakura, and Kakashi are the main ones he impacts and is impacted by. Yamato, Sai, Jiraya, and Tsunade would be second, and it keeps going. He is a main character so his association is large.

Sasuke being a protagonist, then anti-hero, than antagonist, and now maybe anti-hero again, he obviously associated with Naruto at first but his correlation has been anchored with him but had many changing focus points. He goes from team 7 to Orchimaru and Kabuto to Taka to Akasuti. Sasuke is very dynamic. He also effected Sakura but was not effected by her, these types of relations exist from time to time among characters. He is always impacted by Itachi though.

Sakura being the heroine, her main correlation is with Naruto and Kakashi, while Sasuke she does not impact, she is only impacted by him. Her second most important correlation would obviously be Tsunade. She also has relevance with Shizune, Ino, Sai, and Yamato. She spent a fair amount of time among them.

Kakashi- too many to count, I mean its that reputation of his. He has relations all over the place.

Now what about Hinata? Well obviously Naruto, but she is impacted by him more than she impacts him. Her only other real correlation is Neji. Yes she has team 8, but when did we actually see growth of team 8 together? Never. Kiba has gotten separate development while Shino is just abandoned all the time. Her only other relation is with her father and sister Hanabi. Yet Her father and Hanabi are rarely seen. Hanabi is not even seen once in part 2 during the manga. So in total Hinata only has 4 real people she correlates with, but 2 of them are so tiny in the greater scale of things, that is just not very expansive on her part. Okay rather because neji died, if not for Naruto, she would have no real plot revelvance anymore. It does not help her that there are more important people anchored to Naruto right now, people that actually matter like Sakura, Sasuke, and even Obito has more correlation with him than she does for now.

Heck we know Naruto will have a connection to Hashirama by the similar attitudes. Yet even Sakura has correlation to Hashirama merely by being Tsunade's apprentice. I don't think anything major will come from it save that Hashirama would think tsunade did very well in carrying on his will and giving it to others like Sakura and Naruto. Its funny how even some of these crtically important lore characters, we see many roads with Naruto and Sakura still having more to be associated with rather than Hinata. If Hinata is not even connected to the main plot of things now, I'd say its far too late for her to make an impact on the story.

[FoolishYoungling]

I agree except for one thing: has Hinata really had that much of an effect on Naruto?

When he vowed to defeat Neji, the reason he made that vow was because Neji said that people couldn't change themselves. Then the next spotlight moment, Hinata's confession, Naruto pushed it to the side and hasn't answered her. Finally after Hinata's speech in 615, Naruto is still very distraught and needs the fox to remind him of his parents' sacrifice in order to get better.

To me anyway it doesn't seem like Hinata can reach Naruto the way any of his closer friends can. Even Shikamaru managed to help Naruto overcome his feelings when Jiraiya died.

Bolded: Don't you mean Iruka?

Edited by FoolishYoungling , 06 May 2013 - 09:33 PM.

[redragon88]

Bolded: Don't you mean Iruka?

Wasn't it both?

@Sojobo

The Uzumaki country was destroy before Naruto was even born. Minato makes reference of Kushina loosing her country in the flashback. From what I remember the remaining Uzumaki spread all over the world and why you only find members here and there.

Whatever village Karin came from it wasn't the Uzumaki one, but it was destroyed as well none the less.

[FoolishYoungling]

Wasn't it both?

@Sojobo

The Uzumaki country was destroy before Naruto was even born. Minato makes reference of Kushina loosing her country in the flashback. From what I remember the remaining Uzumaki spread all over the world and why you only find members here and there.

Whatever village Karin came from it wasn't the Uzumaki one, but it was destroyed as well none the less.

If Shikamaru helped him, I would like to see where it was. Don't remember that one.

Man, Karin can't catch a break.

[Inferno180]

Wasn't it both?

@Sojobo

The Uzumaki country was destroy before Naruto was even born. Minato makes reference of Kushina loosing her country in the flashback. From what I remember the remaining Uzumaki spread all over the world and why you only find members here and there.

Whatever village Karin came from it wasn't the Uzumaki one, but it was destroyed as well none the less.

Karin was part of the grass village, but she is descended from the Uzumaki clan. Same situation as Nagato's origin, he was part of the rain country but descended from the Uzumaki clan.

[Sojobo]

Wasn't it both?

@Sojobo

The Uzumaki country was destroy before Naruto was even born. Minato makes reference of Kushina loosing her country in the flashback. From what I remember the remaining Uzumaki spread all over the world and why you only find members here and there.

Whatever village Karin came from it wasn't the Uzumaki one, but it was destroyed as well none the less.

Yeah I know that, Databook just doesn't confirm wich village she lived in.

Just saw RTN. Man, how can I see another pairing than NaruSaku in the manga after that?
Kushina is really a Sakura bis. She scares her husband, she has authority, she hugs her son the same way Sakura hugs Naruto after Pain arc.

Parallel between MinaKushi and NaruSaku is just obvious in this movie. Kishi did well, can't wait when manga confirms NS or even Naruto's feelings for Sakura 'again) so that we can end this kitten about NH.

Edited by Sojobo, 06 May 2013 - 10:26 PM.

[Shadow1275]

If Shikamaru helped him, I would like to see where it was. Don't remember that one.

Man, Karin can't catch a break.

http://www.onemanga....o_manga/406/12/

Naruto was still depressed and then Shikamaru took him to see Kurenai pregnant.

[Sojobo]

And again in RTN, Sakura is thinking about Naruto's dream after seeing her dad's face on the rocks.
I was immediatly thinking about the Chuunin exam.

Kishimoto really insist on Sakura being the only girl close to Naruto, thinking about his futur.
Kishi never show it with Hinata. Coincidence? I don't think so...

Isn't it kinda obvious?

- Sakura's working in the Hokage's Library
- Sakura is intelligent and can handle the Hokage's paper stuff
- Sakura knows pretty well the Hokage's work
- Sakura admire Naruto's dream


Kishimoto did it all in purpose in my opinion. Sakura will assist Naruto ad his woman, when he'll be Hokage.

Edited by Sojobo, 06 May 2013 - 10:38 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I agree except for one thing: has Hinata really had that much of an effect on Naruto?

When he vowed to defeat Neji, the reason he made that vow was because Neji said that people couldn't change themselves. Then the next spotlight moment, Hinata's confession, Naruto pushed it to the side and hasn't answered her. Finally after Hinata's speech in 615, Naruto is still very distraught and needs the fox to remind him of his parents' sacrifice in order to get better.

To me anyway it doesn't seem like Hinata can reach Naruto the way any of his closer friends can. Even Shikamaru managed to help Naruto overcome his feelings when Jiraiya died.

She encourages him which is the effect she has on Naruto, ofc she didnt do it alone, but Sakura never encourage Naruto actually because she always ended up being encouraged by him, she has a lot of insecurities and thinks that she do nothing for Naruto, she is not capable of giving encouragement to Naruto when she has to overcome her own problems she hasnt been changed by Naruto yet which is why i believe he will change her and then she will fall in love with him.

When Sakura is capable of encouraging Naruto is because her development as a character is done, she's not like Hinata.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 06 May 2013 - 11:56 PM.

[Gravenimage]

And again in RTN, Sakura is thinking about Naruto's dream after seeing her dad's face on the rocks.
I was immediatly thinking about the Chuunin exam.

Kishimoto really insist on Sakura being the only girl close to Naruto, thinking about his futur.
Kishi never show it with Hinata. Coincidence? I don't think so...

Isn't it kinda obvious?

- Sakura's working in the Hokage's Library
- Sakura is intelligent and can handle the Hokage's paper stuff
- Sakura knows pretty well the Hokage's work
- Sakura admire Naruto's dream


Kishimoto did it all in purpose in my opinion. Sakura will assist Naruto ad his woman, when he'll be Hokage.

Yes I can see that happening. Sakura not just his wife but his right hand assistant and adviser. Just like the third who had his wife Biwako help him with the work.

[Shadow1275]

She encourages him which is the effect she has on Naruto, ofc she didnt do it alone, but Sakura never encourage Naruto actually because she always ended up being encouraged by him, she has a lot of insecurities and thinks that she do nothing for Naruto, she is not capable of giving encouragement to Naruto when she has to overcome her own problems she hasnt been changed by Naruto yet which is why i believe he will change her and then she will fall in love with him.

When Sakura is capable of encouraging Naruto is because her development as a character is done, she's not like Hinata.

Hinata may try to support Naruto, but you have to question how affected he is by it.

Sakura has encouraged Naruto and actually reached him http://www.onemanga....to_manga/310/5/

And that's not even counting part 1

Edited by Shadow1275, 07 May 2013 - 12:29 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's like Yamato said. Sakura don't need to do anything to help. Being there is already good enough. True story.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Hinata may try to support Naruto, but you have to question how affected he is by it.

Sakura has encouraged Naruto and actually reached him http://www.onemanga....to_manga/310/5/

And that's not even counting part 1

That's not encouragement really like something that the hero having doubts about himself or whatever, it's more like she trying to cheer him up.

Encouragement is when the hero is about to fall or much like she did with Sasuke when she called him a coward.
Even on Kizuna books there's no NaruSaku on the encouragement stuff.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 May 2013 - 12:55 AM.