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[TouKen4Life3g]

Exactly. Like I said, it happens in real life too, but in real life it also sometimes doesn't have a happy ending. I do want NS to have a happy ending because well it's good to have stories end on high notes. I am personally getting a little tired of the bittersweet endings in stories now. When every story starts to have one, it gets stale.

That idea of 615 is how I saw it, but like I said hundreds of time I just did not like the way it was executed.

SS being dead...it really feels like it is still alive because people push in the idea that it is. I knew SS died when Sasuke tried killing Sakura. That's when I knew it has officially died. I can't see SS getting together after that one even if Sasuke is redeemed.



yeah....but some fans want to "play it safe." So to speak.

I got tired of ambiguous ending, like make your own ending, which has like two directions. I like them but there's too many of them. Then again, maybe I just happened to stumble upon them. Anyway, give us your ending and that will be the end of it. No need to leave it as an interpretation. Funny, because Mass Effect 3 first ending was like ambiguous ending that people hated it (yes, there's more reasons to hate it), but now when they made it clearer, well yeah.

I understand about 615. I guess he got caught up in no choice zone. Sucks but please the fans as you promised to do so. As for SS, well I did say it all ended in part 1, but I am going to play safe and just wait. Sometimes, the more confident I feel about one pairing, the more it backfires me. But, maybe it's pure coincidence. Either way, I think it will be clearer in the upcoming chapters.

[Ex-psych75]

While lack of development for NH is a good reason it won't happen, I think a better reason is that there is no conflict in NaruHina. There has never been a time where Naruto and Hinata just raged or argued at each other. This is needed in a relationship in order to make the characters closer to each other later on after the conflict was resolved.

So unless that happens, Sasuke has a better chance kissing Naruto again than NH happening, so no worries there .

[T XD]

While lack of development for NH is a good reason it won't happen, I think a better reason is that there is no conflict in NaruHina. There has never been a time where Naruto and Hinata just raged or argued at each other. This is needed in a relationship in order to make the characters closer to each other later on after the conflict was resolved.

So unless that happens, Sasuke has a better chance kissing Naruto again than NH happening, so no worries there .

Bolded, who knows

[Dkey]

I got tired of ambiguous ending, like make your own ending, which has like two directions. I like them but there's too many of them. Then again, maybe I just happened to stumble upon them. Anyway, give us your ending and that will be the end of it. No need to leave it as an interpretation. Funny, because Mass Effect 3 first ending was like ambiguous ending that people hated it (yes, there's more reasons to hate it), but now when they made it clearer, well yeah.

I understand about 615. I guess he got caught up in no choice zone. Sucks but please the fans as you promised to do so. As for SS, well I did say it all ended in part 1, but I am going to play safe and just wait. Sometimes, the more confident I feel about one pairing, the more it backfires me. But, maybe it's pure coincidence. Either way, I think it will be clearer in the upcoming chapters.

Ever since that ending I created an opinion that western ( let's not blatantly say American) media handle ending very badly leaving a lot of plot holes so they can use it to hype another sequel. And unfortunately this has plagued the gaming industry.
Games like Tiberium Twilight ( which was crap from the start, but the ending oh my GOD), Call of Duty MW3, Halo 3, Assassin's Creed 3and many more just gave endings that were very cryptic and it didn't feel like a complete journey.'

Somehow I hope the same doesn't happen to Naruto, and Kishi finishes up all the plot holes or at least the relevant ones. Because of bad experience with endings I don't even know how a good one will look so I just hope he manages this. That at the end of the series all questions will be answered.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Ever since that ending I created an opinion that western ( let's not blatantly say American) media handle ending very badly leaving a lot of plot holes so they can use it to hype another sequel. And unfortunately this has plagued the gaming industry.
Games like Tiberium Twilight ( which was crap from the start, but the ending oh my GOD), Call of Duty MW3, Halo 3, Assassin's Creed 3and many more just gave endings that were very cryptic and it didn't feel like a complete journey.'

Somehow I hope the same doesn't happen to Naruto, and Kishi finishes up all the plot holes or at least the relevant ones. Because of bad experience with endings I don't even know how a good one will look so I just hope he manages this. That at the end of the series all questions will be answered.

Well to be fair, Halo 3 ended in a great note for an arc. Assassin Creed 3, yeah I don't blame you. MW3 pretty much ended and thank god the new one is only based in that universe. I don't know about others but I see what you mean. I wouldn't say all games do that, more specifically from western. There are games that leaves a very satisfying ending. Even Bioshock Infinite, which I thought it was excellent and clever. But yeah, when it comes to great story, there are times that they fear to make a big impact ending, so they ended up ruining it for the sake of controversial or open for sequel.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Ever since that ending I created an opinion that western ( let's not blatantly say American) media handle ending very badly leaving a lot of plot holes so they can use it to hype another sequel. And unfortunately this has plagued the gaming industry.
Games like Tiberium Twilight ( which was crap from the start, but the ending oh my GOD), Call of Duty MW3, Halo 3, Assassin's Creed 3and many more just gave endings that were very cryptic and it didn't feel like a complete journey.'

Somehow I hope the same doesn't happen to Naruto, and Kishi finishes up all the plot holes or at least the relevant ones. Because of bad experience with endings I don't even know how a good one will look so I just hope he manages this. That at the end of the series all questions will be answered.

Doesnt count. Theres a whole new trilogy that will continue the story. Plus theres a bonus ending that wraps things up nicely.

[Dkey]

Well to be fair, Halo 3 ended in a great note for an arc. Assassin Creed 3, yeah I don't blame you. MW3 pretty much ended and thank god the new one is only based in that universe. I don't know about others but I see what you mean. I wouldn't say all games do that, more specifically from western. There are games that leaves a very satisfying ending. Even Bioshock Infinite, which I thought it was excellent and clever. But yeah, when it comes to great story, there are times that they fear to make a big impact ending, so they ended up ruining it for the sake of controversial or open for sequel.

Exactly the thing that bothers me about those endings is that they are used as a marketing trap. I get that they are big budget games but they are downgrading one important element just to ensure a sequel. I admire Star wars in a way. Lucas made 6 movies but made billions on the expanded universe, and some can do the same. Even with Naruto I would like to see let's say a manga about the Sage or about the warring clan period, or heck one theme in the manga was surpassing the next, they can make something that continues this idea even after Naruto brings the peace ( something like legend of Kora) but the manga follows the author. If the author doesn't want to write the manga finishes.

And about Halo 3. It isn't the best of examples but it shows that they try to leave a small fraction of ambiguity so they can make a sequel. They tried expanded it but they had to bring Master chief again because he was floating in space.

[Inferno180]

Ever since that ending I created an opinion that western ( let's not blatantly say American) media handle ending very badly leaving a lot of plot holes so they can use it to hype another sequel. And unfortunately this has plagued the gaming industry.
Games like Tiberium Twilight ( which was crap from the start, but the ending oh my GOD), Call of Duty MW3, Halo 3, Assassin's Creed 3and many more just gave endings that were very cryptic and it didn't feel like a complete journey.'

Somehow I hope the same doesn't happen to Naruto, and Kishi finishes up all the plot holes or at least the relevant ones. Because of bad experience with endings I don't even know how a good one will look so I just hope he manages this. That at the end of the series all questions will be answered.

Well Mass Effect 3 was sadly published by EA, one of the demons of the game industry, basically the writers said, "screw it, lets make a color coded ending." And EA is a DLC hording company like Activision.

MW3 ending, well it was simple, you kill the guy but it left so many logical things open ended like "Now the U.S. and Russia are somehow friendly again considering this mess began with a scapegoat?

Halo 3 was meant to be the ending of a trilogy, Bungie gave it an open ended conclusion for the possibility of continuation.

The writers of Futurama actually did this every season because they never knew if the current season would be their last. They made it so every end of season episode could lead to a logical conclusion for the series.

For Naruto, they could leave it open ended, but its just plain and simple, the Naruto-Sakura interaction has been the most present and that friendship and closeness has developed on them more than any other relation in the series. The only other ones I can think of though are Naruto and Sasuke's brotherhood relation and Sasuke's initial to concluded outlook on Itachi. NH pales in comparison to any of these.

The whole deal with the drama may be unnecessary, but its a manga, characters are not going to act realistic, Kishi also cannot give away everything at once. The whole deal of feeling unworthy of each other may seem weak but its still better development between them and more than NH ever had, it did show great deals of confusion, concern, sadness, and sacrifice on both of their parts. They both still have that strong friendship too. Nothing has ever broken that in the series, I mean if Sakura never thought differently of Naruto after the 4 tailed event, I'm sure Naruto is still in love with Sakura. If anything, he is a forgiving guy to still forgive Sasuke for everything he did, (even nearly killing Sakura). I mean Nagato ruined everything he cared about yet he fully forgave him. He could have got revenge but he chose to walk away, that's the basic idea. I still basically see the whole unworthiness theme and chap 540 as just more dramatic suspense. I mean Naruto still is unaware that Sakura knows he loves her. Naruto won't make the move, maybe Sakura will?

Still no matter what happens going forward, 628 basically sunk any and all arguments of Sakura not caring about Naruto, it just again repeated what we all already have seen since the 4 tails event. Sakura is concerned and supportive of him as always, she is one of those who knows that Naruto can pull miracles again and again. If anything, its her and Kakashi who know Naruto best because they spent the most time with him.

Despite shortcomings or delays I guess you can call it with the romance subplot, this is a reason why I feel Kakashi is the best overall character. He already had his share of pains but also gained a chance to make the future better by becoming the sensei of team 7. He failed in Sasuke but still has a chance for his own mistakes with not only Sasuke but also Obito. Its a unique position for Kakashi because he became a better person because of Obito but now he has to take his own former friend on because of what he helped plot in.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Exactly the thing that bothers me about those endings is that they are used as a marketing trap. I get that they are big budget games but they are downgrading one important element just to ensure a sequel. I admire Star wars in a way. Lucas made 6 movies but made billions on the expanded universe, and some can do the same. Even with Naruto I would like to see let's say a manga about the Sage or about the warring clan period, or heck one theme in the manga was surpassing the next, they can make something that continues this idea even after Naruto brings the peace ( something like legend of Kora) but the manga follows the author. If the author doesn't want to write the manga finishes.

And about Halo 3. It isn't the best of examples but it shows that they try to leave a small fraction of ambiguity so they can make a sequel. They tried expanded it but they had to bring Master chief again because he was floating in space.

Not really. It was clear that Master Chief was going to float forever and just say "Well, who knows. Maybe he'll be rescued. The question is how long." So it's a nice note to see him go back where he started from part 1: sleeping. But if you're thinking about Halo 4, that still got explained when you beat legendary. It shows that he's landing in an unknown place and that's where part 4 begins. It left a new arc to start, much like how Kishi used to do. Examples like Itachi and Kisame arrive to Konoha, or Sasuke tell his team to time to destroy Konoha, or when Pain said it's time to get Kyuubi. That's how Halo 3 ended. Plus, there were questions that left unanswered in 3rd game, like him being the forerunner or the chance that all the secrets you found belongs to his father and so on. So yeah, Halo is excused.

[redragon88]

Question: Considering Karin's role in the Itachi arc, Killer Bee fight and Summit arc would you consider that she's had even more screen time than say Hinata?

[StriderC]

Question: Considering Karin's role in the Itachi arc, Killer Bee fight and Summit arc would you consider that she's had even more screen time than say Hinata?

Before the war, I would of considered this but at the moment, nah.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Question: Considering Karin's role in the Itachi arc, Killer Bee fight and Summit arc would you consider that she's had even more screen time than say Hinata?

I don't know. Maybe a bit close. Karin might be behind a little. Then again, maybe I should do a count. Hinata got more shots in 559, 614, and 615. Then again, Karin sure got a lot in Kage Summit Arc. She's still relevant than her. Yeah, I said it.

[redragon88]

Before the war, I would of considered this but at the moment, nah.

I mean as a whole. But let's specify even further.

In Part 2 do you think Karin has had more screen time then Hinata? Try to forget about momentary relevance and think of the story of Part 2 as a whole.

[Gravenimage]

I have come to a radical conclusion that the only reason why SS still exists is because everybody "thinks" it does (fans included). If you know what I mean. Even Naruto supposedly believes it does which is why he is pushing Sakura away. Not that it really is



No problem.

This^ fans are still saying Sakura still loves Sasuke when there's plenty of proof that she doesn't love him and has move on. What I see is Kishi using his mind games making us believe that she still loves him to keep the love triangle alive while at the same time it's been resolved a long time ago. And yes I do mean love triangle of team seven NO Hinata. Perfect example of Kishi's mind games is the famous Tobi/Obito theory so many fans believed Tobi was really Obito because it was too damn obvious but Kishi played his mind game with the fans making them believe he was really Madara and just when the fans "really" believed he was Madara he makes Naruto smash his mask and surprise surprise it was really Obito all along. Fans from opposite fandoms along with some NS fans believe Sakura still loves Sasuke and I'm just using common sense that she doesn't love him anymore and has move on (540) proves of this as she saw him in a negative light proving an anti SS moment instead of her thinking positive of him. However Kishi has continue fooling the fans with the love triangle still alive to keep the tension and the drama on going so in the last chapter when he reveals the final pairing he will expect surprise the readers.

Edited by Gravenimage, 06 May 2013 - 07:37 PM.

[T XD]

Question: Considering Karin's role in the Itachi arc, Killer Bee fight and Summit arc would you consider that she's had even more screen time than say Hinata?

I think the both are kinda equal in this.

I mean as a whole. But let's specify even further.

In Part 2 do you think Karin has had more screen time then Hinata? Try to forget about momentary relevance and think of the story of Part 2 as a whole.

I still think the same.

Edited by T XD, 06 May 2013 - 07:37 PM.

[Dkey]

Yeah well I was just ranting about how endings are made. Halo 3 unfortunately isn't a game I experienced first hand. I like to play games for their storylines and because I couldn't be arsed to buy a Xbox but I still saw a lot of playthroughs and read a lot about the game series and this was the impression it left on me. This year Crysis 3 was launched and because I don't have a directx 11 on my laptop's video card I couldn't play it but saw the playthroughs and the ending. Considering the ending and the fact that Crytek would stop making games in the series I felt a little let down by the Ceph mess. The book that came with the second game hinted at so much more yet the third had a different theme, ( hinted thou in the second game) and the ending was.... Never mind it's not the place to rant about endings.

@Redragon88: Well even thou she was added in shippuden gotta say for the killer bee and danzou fight she pretty much was there. Not to fight like let's say Suigetsu or Hinata but her comments on the fight offered a different perspective on the fight. Hinata is a fighting character not a support one and she did her fighting but didn't had an opponent per say like other characters. It seems that her moment to shine was 615. Yet I want to ask you something else? Do you think the 615 will connect with another moment in this arc that would finnally conclude her development or it was 615, we get to see her in a few shots and then hopefully we are going to see Naruto's take on the entire matter. I mean Kishi having Naruto ignore Hinata really gave fuel to this shipping war.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I mean as a whole. But let's specify even further.

In Part 2 do you think Karin has had more screen time then Hinata? Try to forget about momentary relevance and think of the story of Part 2 as a whole.

Oh. Yeah I do. The more I think about it, she really was into the Kage Summit Arc. Hm, I think I know why you start liking it, especially how timing it was to have NS and SK situations happen. NS is a serious matter but that's not to say SK didn't get anything. It was focused, so I give the credit.

[redragon88]

I don't know. Maybe a bit close. Karin might be behind a little. Then again, maybe I should do a count. Hinata got more shots in 559, 614, and 615. Then again, Karin sure got a lot in Kage Summit Arc. She's still relevant than her. Yeah, I said it.

Focus on the big picture. The only times I remember Hinata being of note in Part 2 are the chapter of her introduction, her confession chapter and those three you mentioned. That's a grand total of 5 chapters in which she actually mattered.

Her involvement in the Itachi arc is nearly forgettable since she wasn't connected to the plot. She was just there to assist as a background character.

The you have Karin being essential in the pursuit of Itachi and evasion of Konoha, you have her assisting Sasuke in the fight against Killer Bee, and you have her dealing with Sasuke's darkness in the Summit arc. That's a lot of relevance in a lot of chapters.

[Dkey]

Focus on the big picture. The only times I remember Hinata being of note in Part 2 are the chapter of her introduction, her confession chapter and those three you mentioned. That's a grand total of 5 chapters in which she actually mattered.

Her involvement in the Itachi arc is nearly forgettable since she wasn't connected to the plot. She was just there to assist as a background character.

The you have Karin being essential in the pursuit of Itachi and evasion of Konoha, you have her assisting Sasuke in the fight against Killer Bee, and you have her dealing with Sasuke's darkness in the Summit arc. That's a lot of relevance in a lot of chapters.

Well Kishi created two small character focus polls. One is Naruto the other Sasuke. So Hinata's actions where shown focused when the story was regarding Naruto's actions ( Pain arc, Shinobi arc, Ten tails arc) while Karin belongs to Sasuke's character group. But she didn't really push the plot. Apart from the moment Sasuke decides to impale her with Chidori in order to kill Danzou. In the killer bee fight she healed him when he was injured, ( and indirectly helped him gain a new ability), and in the Danzou fight she was only seeing Sasuke's internal transformation.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Focus on the big picture. The only times I remember Hinata being of note in Part 2 are the chapter of her introduction, her confession chapter and those three you mentioned. That's a grand total of 5 chapters in which she actually mattered.

Her involvement in the Itachi arc is nearly forgettable since she wasn't connected to the plot. She was just there to assist as a background character.

The you have Karin being essential in the pursuit of Itachi and evasion of Konoha, you have her assisting Sasuke in the fight against Killer Bee, and you have her dealing with Sasuke's darkness in the Summit arc. That's a lot of relevance in a lot of chapters.

Well, I answered your question again but this time, focusing on part 2. Part 1, well she did get a focus in Chuunin Exam and appear again until the closing part 1 chapter. So that answer you quote is for overall. As for part 2, like I said, yeah, Karin got a lot of focus. Not saying she was getting insane amount of developments, but in terms of revelation of Sasuke, she sure got a lot. The other guys were just helping while Karin grows fear for Sasuke to change to darkness. She was used as a person who we supposed to be shock that Sasuke actually stabbed her, especially how Karin wants to help Sasuke like with that line "What am I to you?" It's funny, because she also shows more care for the team than Sasuke. I see why you like this pairing. To me, I'm indifferent but I do like it in maybe guilty pleasure way. For the love of god, anyone, don't start saying side shipping........