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#18941 Inferno180

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 10:23 PM

I think part of the deal is rather that, for NH and SS fans, its otherwise an issue to some that Sakura is actually changing, 663 being a notion that she cares for him more than a friend to go supporting his dream in this case. It doesn't sit well with SS fans if Sakura turns to Naruto because then they feel Sasuke is ruined. NH fans dont sit well with this because with naruto still loving sakura and sakura potentially turning to him, this makes them upset cause then Hinata, to them is unfulfilled.

 

Really my gripe is that the fans supporting NH and SS, its not given a foundation for most cases to be a legimate pairing, in anycase if the pairing stuff is a subplot, like any plot it needs development, a beginning, a middle, and an end. Theres no problem with NS, its been going through these stages, but for the other 2, well SS couldnt occur that much when Sasuke left and it didnt even change much in the start so its otherwise, still stuck on its beginning. NH at least has a beginning, the chunin exams, ironically this arc was also the last in which hinata had a major role, but everything afterwards has been a short moment, sudden, and otherwise unresolved. The point is, NH has a beginning at least, but no middle, the whole aspect of hinatas time in part 2 to this point can be summed up as she resees naruto and faints (this was just a short scene to reintroduce her team like team 10 had), she then tagged along with naruto and yamato when hunting itachi (but this wasn't development, only sasuke and to a lesser degree naruto himself had development in this arc, hinata seeing kabuto was only a progenitor to show kabuto had taken orochimarus power). Then came the confession in pain, really that doesn't seem sudden? Both prior events she was in, we didnt see more about her character herself. Then came the stuff with the war which didnt answer anything, than 615 which blew stuff out of proportion to NH fans. Thats just among the whole "disjointed" arguement I make for NH, it has a beginning, but such a lose middle, its not strucutured, it has no middle.

 

My point is, at this time, NH and SS fans are otherwise only hoping for an end, and end in which their pairings occur, but feasibly, even by just story structure, you cannot have an end without a beginning first, followed by a middle. This isn't hard to work out yet fans make it harder than it needs to be. Literally, even on tumblr, I have seen how there have been more angry activities from some fans that, this just makes me ashamed to be a shipping fan at this point, some people on tumblr (not saying them) have been almost marked for death because apparently, they cannot stand the authors choice in actually doing something with his characters, there are those who cannot stand the notion of sakura changing, those who dont like it that sasuke is otherwise under no necessity to even love another, that kishi isnt using the fan favorite hinata when theres no purpose to use her right now. People cannot stand how the author best thought he should bring about the story and think he should shove this stuff aside all for the sake of 2 hardly touched upon pairings. The thing these types of fans need to understand is kishi had the choice, he had the ability, the freaking freedom, the will, the capability, the opportunity, and the reason and ability to create priority and reason to have made the story end up making sasuke go for sakura or focus more on hinata with naruto gradually shifting to her, but he freaking chose to focus on sakura changing in regards to both naruto and sasuke and with sasuke, if its her maturing and eventually ending her love for sasuke, thats the authors damned choice. Its not like he hasn't given us reason to suspect sakura could have strong feelings for naruto and at the same time giving the reader moments where her feelings to sasuke are called into question. It was kishi's damned choice, just as gallieo said if god wanted us to know everything that was said and done, he could have made us into a million different ways and revealed all about the universe, kishi had the choice, the opportunity, etc about how to write his story. JK rowling may have restarted an old flame war with her remarks saying she regretted ron with herminoe but its too late, she had the choice then and there, now its said and done. If kishi is intent on sakura turning away from sasuke and possibly going to naruto, that was his choice and he had the story flow so this one subplot could fit into it along with the main plot. If people cannot accept that, they should just stop reading. There are some points in a story when things are no longer able to happen, and each chapter that goes by, makes it harder for NH and SS to even have reason to go canon.



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 10:24 PM

Uh...not to break the NS debate here, but I have a question, and I don't really want to start another thread for it. Does anybody know some really good horror or scary anime? Or does such a thing even exist? Just send me a Private message if you have something you'd like to recommend so this thread doesn't go too far off topic.

 

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 10:31 PM

have a look your self one and all and see for your self.

I watched for a couple of minutes and I just want to punch him in the face with my alligator fist.


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Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 19 May 2014 - 10:33 PM

I watched for a couple of minutes and I just want to punch him in the face with my alligator fist.

I have some gloves with spikes on the knuckles if you'd rather have them...



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 10:38 PM

I have some gloves with spikes on the knuckles if you'd rather have them...

I'm going to tie a whole alligator to my hand, like 6 foot alligator and hit him in the head with it. :D


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Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 19 May 2014 - 10:39 PM

I watched for a couple of minutes and I just want to punch him in the face with my alligator fist.

Yeah I mean we should do a rant on Hinata I just ignored it and backed away after he started to speak, hell I bet he praised Hinata.



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 10:42 PM

I hope this next chapter has some foreshadowing for Sakura. Whether it be a new power up or her finally stating she no longer loves Sasuke. I just want to see her do something amazing like break out of the genjutsu, meet Kaguya( that would be strange, but so interesting), or resolves her feelings. Because I really want to troll all Sakura haters at this moment.( actually at every moment.)


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Posted 19 May 2014 - 10:46 PM

I hope this next chapter has some foreshadowing for Sakura. Whether it be a new power up or her finally stating she no longer loves Sasuke. I just want to see her do something amazing like break out of the genjutsu, meet Kaguya( that would be strange, but so interesting), or resolves her feelings. Because I really want to troll all Sakura haters at this moment.( actually at every moment.)

Oh that will be good I feel that when Madara does do the Genjutsu Sakura should get free before after all it said he was always weak and it should still stand, and I'm with you on that just laughing at all haters.



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 10:56 PM

I saw his video. Ok lets be real. I love Sakura. I'm obsessed with her, but I agree with him when he said that she shouldn't be thinking about Sasuke. Kishi did a big mistake tbh. Her obsession over Sasuke is really destroying her development and degrading her character. , but I still havr hope for her to change. :(

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 10:57 PM

Does anyone know where all those pictures of Sakura with an axe started? Like is it only fans thinking it up or did Kishi do it first as a cover or something?


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Posted 19 May 2014 - 11:00 PM

I saw his video. Ok lets be real. I love Sakura. I'm obsessed with her, but I agree with him when he said that she shouldn't be thinking about Sasuke. Kishi did a big mistake tbh. Her obsession over Sasuke is really destroying her development and degrading her character. , but I still havr hope for her to change. :(

Yeah I say that's the only real flaw she has, IMO. But it seems to be leading up to her getting over him with all the negativity SS has been getting, since I don't know part two.


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Posted 19 May 2014 - 11:07 PM

I saw his video. Ok lets be real. I love Sakura. I'm obsessed with her, but I agree with him when he said that she shouldn't be thinking about Sasuke. Kishi did a big mistake tbh. Her obsession over Sasuke is really destroying her development and degrading her character. , but I still havr hope for her to change. :(

well its more than that as many here will tell you she is slowly moving away true I think Kishi needs to do it faster than what he did but I feel that this is all needed to show and to confirm that Sasuke can not be trusted.

 

Does anyone know where all those pictures of Sakura with an axe started? Like is it only fans thinking it up or did Kishi do it first as a cover or something?

Well I'm not sure on that, but for a story I'm doing on fanfiction called Sakura's curse mark she will later use them.



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 11:18 PM

I saw his video. Ok lets be real. I love Sakura. I'm obsessed with her, but I agree with him when he said that she shouldn't be thinking about Sasuke. Kishi did a big mistake tbh. Her obsession over Sasuke is really destroying her development and degrading her character. , but I still havr hope for her to change. :(

What he cried about in that video is something that Sakura is obviously going to overcome. While her timing for this realization she's going through is questionable, it's still a good sign that she's going through this so she can overcome this. Between the 3 hetero pairings, Sakura is the only one that's having questions, doubts and wavering feelings. It's been a long time coming, but it's finally here.


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Posted 19 May 2014 - 11:24 PM

Nostradamus@ agree with you a 100%. What Hinata feels for Naruto is one big hero worthship, its just admiration. Hinata sees him as someone she wants to become the perfect role model, from zero to hero. More proof of Hinata's feelings in every relationship chart from the data books she has an arrow pointing towards Naruto with the word" admiration". Yet the fandom ignores this and claims that Kishi didn't wrote the data books so its not canon. But if she truly loves Naruto romantically wouldn't her arrow have the word" suki" which means like/love just like Sakura's arrow on Sasuke? Yet the fandom ignores it thinking Hinata's love for Naruto is pure and romantic.

 

If it was written that Naruto loves Hinata in the databooks, well believe me, they would say databooks are canon. LOL

 

Also, about Hinata's love for Naruto, IMO she loves him but it's a type of love that is more admiration than a desire to bear his kids. IMO.

Also, the difference between her and Sakura is that Hinata wants to pursue Naruto, when Sakura wants Naruto's dream to be true. What Sakura wants is selfless. What Hinata wants is selfish. I don't blame Hinata for it. She's not a bad person. She is not a selfish person. But she isn't the right girl for Naruto. To build a good relationship, this is not good. And I think it's part of the lesson Kishi wants to give us. It's the same about Sakura and her feelings for Sasuke. This were about pursuing. This were a feeling supported by inner flaws, by psychological issues.

 

Also Hinata, I'm sure, knows about Naruto's feelings for Sakura. She smiled at their hug, and her only late inner struggle were about be at Naruto's side because she were afraid to no be here in the future. What she wants is not to be his wife IMO. She thought about it while Shikamaru was talking about be Naruto's councelor, and when other rookies were talking about the position they will have at Naruto's side when he will be hokage. It's also a message from Kishimoto we should understand from this part. Kishimoto basically told us where will be Naruto's FRIENDS at the end. Hinata has been friendzoned clearly. Hinata just wants to live around Naruto. Not with him. I think she never even thought about something like that because she's the type of person to look down on herself.


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Posted 19 May 2014 - 11:33 PM

Naruto Chapter 678; Sakura states she no longer loves Sasuke.

 

SS Fans; NOOOO~ :cry:

 

NH Fans; kitten! Now she's going to get with Naruto! :cuss:   :wallbash:

 

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 11:40 PM

Stuff like this makes me say, "This is why I wait." If I say something and see something that now makes sense, I will look foolish. Even so, when you compile everything, you'll be like "oh now I get it." Keep in mind, Kishi has already said, "She still needs to grow up." Lastly, this depends on your take. If you look at one way, you would say, "Oh I get it." If you look at the other way, you would say, "Oh this is stupid." And so on. I can't never write a full review of a character, until he/she is done.

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Posted 20 May 2014 - 12:00 AM

Naruto Chapter 678; Sakura states she no longer loves Sasuke.

 

SS Fans; NOOOO~ :cry:

 

NH Fans; kitten! Now she's going to get with Naruto! :cuss:   :wallbash:

 

NS Fans; My brothers and sisters rejoice! :excited:  :D :dance:

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I think we are close to this conclusion but i dont know if this will happpen next chapter.Rather after war this will be settled. There s not time in war to things like that unless its POV of Sakura



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Posted 20 May 2014 - 12:08 AM

Stuff like this makes me say, "This is why I wait." If I say something and see something that now makes sense, I will look foolish. Even so, when you compile everything, you'll be like "oh now I get it." Keep in mind, Kishi has already said, "She still needs to grow up." Lastly, this depends on your take. If you look at one way, you would say, "Oh I get it." If you look at the other way, you would say, "Oh this is stupid." And so on. I can't never write a full review of a character, until he/she is done.

How many chapters ago were people saying that Sakura was gonna get the Byakugou? Sometimes Kishi brings in some stupid random kitten, and I do mean stupid. But when he lays out the groundwork for future events to occur, it's way too predictable. While I am still extremely annoyed that she finally realized Sasuke doesn't care, I'm somewhat happy that it's finally being addressed. All the negative development is finally coming into play.


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Posted 20 May 2014 - 12:14 AM

redrose3443@ that's the next move Kishi needs to make. He made Kakashi confirmed that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke have changed, next Sakura will say it or she will think it. Then again she did said she didn't like Sasuke anymore back at her confession, with 675 proving she doesn't love him romantically it proves she was been honest and aside Kishi confirmed she was been honest. And I don't give a crap about anyone who still thinks she was lying.


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Posted 20 May 2014 - 12:38 AM

How many chapters ago were people saying that Sakura was gonna get the Byakugou? Sometimes Kishi brings in some stupid random kitten, and I do mean stupid. But when he lays out the groundwork for future events to occur, it's way too predictable. While I am still extremely annoyed that she finally realized Sasuke doesn't care, I'm somewhat happy that it's finally being addressed. All the negative development is finally coming into play.

 

This is something I've been thinking about since the release of the chapter. While I said before that this could be development for Sakura to get over Sasuke (and I still think it can), do you believe that Kishi would resolve her feelings by showing that Sasuke doesn't care in the least? From a storytelling perspective that seems somewhat flawed, as it would leave Sasuke's character in a negative light. He still needs to accept all of team 7 at some point, and if he doesn't have just basic care for her well being by the end, that would be an issue.

 

Imo its more appropriate for Sakura to change her mind based on the fact that he doesn't reciprocate romantically. Not because she means absolutely nothing to him. Sasuke still needs to recognize her as a teammate/friend for the story to come full circle. If that makes sense.






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