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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

As good as it would be for NS as a parallel I wouldn`t want Rin to die loving Obito. The poor kid gave his life and eye to protect his friend and love. His last wish was for Kakashi to protct her. Then the poor guy survives, trains for who knows how long to see his friends again and what does he find? His best friend kills his love that he swore to protect.

As evil as he has become I think his story might be amongst the more tragic ones there is. Itachi had a nice life for the most part, Naruto grew up in complete loniless (lets ignore for a sec Obito did that), many people shared Nagato`s backstory.

I would feel just to sorry for him if he found out Rin actually loved him. he has a high sanity level right now... but who knows what that would do to him. TnJ would be out of the question because his resolved would get a major kick start.

I think it seems that she loves him later when she looks at the sky, Obito was the poor kid but this poor kid loved her and while she make the confession to Kakashi she knew that he give up his life to save her because he loved her, and Kakashi was going to abandon her, this is the reason why he replied that he was a trash that was capable of abandoning her and ends with her looking at the sky, i felt that Rin realized that she loved him but he was dead, and it could help him to TnJ because Rin loved him and look at what he become now, he become someome who was capable of abandoning her, he become evil.
The same reason that made Sasuke seek revenge against the village was the same reason of why he now wants to protect it, the same reason why Madara wanted to change the world become the same reason why he wants to destroy it, why not with Obito the very same reason that made him go evil could not be the reason he becomes "good".

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 05 May 2013 - 05:04 PM.

[redragon88]

That's true. I feel like something about that will be addressed. I mean that panel wasn't needed and it so happened when Sasuke went to an agreement with Naruto. Again, Kishi don't waste panels like that, let alone that one was random to us for now. One thing I ask now is why have her excluded from the whole talk with Hashirama. Maybe I should just wait and see everything comes down.

Because Kishi wanted the first thing Sasuke did after he encountered Karin once again was to apologize to her. It wouldn't have been possible beforehand since Sasuke was too busy find out the meaning of life.

Thin of it like this, Sasuke goes off the deep end so Karin gets separated from him. Once he somewhat returns to a more sane mentality Karin steps right back in.

As good as it would be for NS as a parallel I wouldn`t want Rin to die loving Obito. The poor kid gave his life and eye to protect his friend and love. His last wish was for Kakashi to protct her. Then the poor guy survives, trains for who knows how long to see his friends again and what does he find? His best friend kills his love that he swore to protect.

As evil as he has become I think his story might be amongst the more tragic ones there is. Itachi had a nice life for the most part, Naruto grew up in complete loniless (lets ignore for a sec Obito did that), many people shared Nagato`s backstory.

I would feel just to sorry for him if he found out Rin actually loved him. he has a high sanity level right now... but who knows what that would do to him. TnJ would be out of the question because his resolved would get a major kick start.

Or maybe the fact that Rin ended up loving Obito is what causes him to reevaluate why he's doing all of this. His love for Rin is what caused Obito to fall, it could very well be something regarding his love for her that would cause him to rethink everything.

I'm not saying it's sure that Rin came to love Obito, although I would like for that to happen. But I do think it makes sense that his love for her is what will in part be key to Obito's final character development.

It would be reminiscent to Sasuke's love for Itachi and his family. It was that love that caused him to fall into deep darkness and also to come back into a more sane state.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Or maybe the fact that Rin ended up loving Obito is what causes him to reevaluate why he's doing all of this. His love for Rin is what caused Obito to fall, it could very well be something regarding his love for her that would cause him to rethink everything.

I'm not saying it's sure that Rin came to love Obito, although I would like for that to happen. But I do think it makes sense that his love for her is what will in part be key to Obito's final character development.

It would be reminiscent to Sasuke's love for Itachi and his family. It was that love that caused him to fall into deep darkness and also to come back into a more sane state.

He could've well get his best ending, using edo rinne tensei to ressurrect the people he killed on the battlefield(including Neji) then dies and reuniting with her like Konan had when she died and went back to their place with Jiraiya Nagato and Yahiko.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 05 May 2013 - 05:24 PM.

[sushi.]

He could've well get his best ending, using edo rinne tensei to ressurrect the people he killed on the battlefield(including Neji) then dies and reuniting with her like Konan had when she died and went back to their place with Jiraiya Nagato and Yahiko.

I don't want the same ending again, but nothing really surprise me in the series anymore. Even if it is something I was not expecting, that kind of says that the series is dull to me now.

Indifferent. Naruto has lost a lot of it's charms that used to get me excited for the chapter each week.

mhm!

Edited by sushi., 05 May 2013 - 05:38 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Because Kishi wanted the first thing Sasuke did after he encountered Karin once again was to apologize to her. It wouldn't have been possible beforehand since Sasuke was too busy find out the meaning of life.

Thin of it like this, Sasuke goes off the deep end so Karin gets separated from him. Once he somewhat returns to a more sane mentality Karin steps right back in.

That does make sense.

Ok, so now I need to know why make her an Uzumaki. That's the one I'm still thinking about today. What purpose does that achieve? I feel like Kishi has skipped the opportunity with Hashirama talking about Uzumaki. That said what is Karin's title purpose then? I also think if the fight still happens, is her moment in that bridge scene comes to play or not, because it does suggest that she heard the whole talk along with others. I mean let's face it, in anime/manga world, you can whisper and a guy from top of the stadium will hear you. Maybe I'm saying this now because I remember a roaring crowd was happening and the girl in the arena was talking low saying I am about to use the 13th gate, only to have a character actually heard her from like high above the arena. How's that possible? Anyway, point is I got to wait.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 05 May 2013 - 05:46 PM.

[Inferno180]

So how he was able to control the mizukage?
If the third war started because of him also just like with Kisame.
It's even show him with the Madara's long hair.

1. Obito was underground for a few weeks or months following his "death"
2. When Zetsu comes back to tell them about how he spotted Kakashi and Rin and them being in trouble Obito tries to go to work.
3. Obito Had long hair at this time from spending months underground and after busting his replacement arm and leg to goo, Sprial zetsu offers to merge with him.
4. Obito with spiral zetsu works like an exosuit for Obito. This is how Obito was taller a year later facing Minato during the 9 tails attck, , he had the power to face the strongest ninja at the time, no surprise he could control Yagura.
5. There is no clear time when Yagura died exactly but Mei was said to have taken office recently and open relations with the other lands so she has been a recent Mizukage.
6. Yagura could have died anytime between Rin's death and the start of the series, this is a 12 year span give or take. Obito had gone to meet Nagato and the other Ame orphans but Yahiko told Obito to stay away from them at one point too.

There are 2 things clear though, Madara could not have been controlling Yagura, he was 80 or 90 by this point, he could not move beyond the gedo statue or he would die. They were a minor country between the fire, earth, and wind countries, the mist was all the way at the other side of the world, I don't think Madara could just summon and move himself with the gedo statue either. Obito also got his long hair within that time he was underground. Madara was limited in mobility and Obito did have long hair, check the flashback after chapter 600 when his reveal came in.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

1. Obito was underground for a few weeks or months following his "death"
2. When Zetsu comes back to tell them about how he spotted Kakashi and Rin and them being in trouble Obito tries to go to work.
3. Obito Had long hair at this time from spending months underground and after busting his replacement arm and leg to goo, Sprial zetsu offers to merge with him.
4. Obito with spiral zetsu works like an exosuit for Obito. This is how Obito was taller a year later facing Minato during the 9 tails attck, , he had the power to face the strongest ninja at the time, no surprise he could control Yagura.
5. There is no clear time when Yagura died exactly but Mei was said to have taken office recently and open relations with the other lands so she has been a recent Mizukage.
6. Yagura could have died anytime between Rin's death and the start of the series, this is a 12 year span give or take. Obito had gone to meet Nagato and the other Ame orphans but Yahiko told Obito to stay away from them at one point too.

There are 2 things clear though, Madara could not have been controlling Yagura, he was 80 or 90 by this point, he could not move beyond the gedo statue or he would die. They were a minor country between the fire, earth, and wind countries, the mist was all the way at the other side of the world, I don't think Madara could just summon and move himself with the gedo statue either. Obito also got his long hair within that time he was underground. Madara was limited in mobility and Obito did have long hair, check the flashback after chapter 600 when his reveal came in.

To point it looked exactly like Madara?
I have any doubts that he is able to control Yagura but Yagura was mizukage right on the begining of the war, i think it's kinda obvious that the whole timeline is pretty much f**cked up.
On this time Nagato was younger since it was on the third war that he lose his parents and Nagato was just a kid when Obito goes out Nagato was a teenager much like Naruto's current age, and despite in peace there were some conflicts like the village of the rain, which Jiraiya pretty much described that he heard that he died on one of those "wars".

[redragon88]

These seem to be links for the Kizuna books that we previously talked about.

Book 1: http://pan.baidu.com...p;uk=3793240732

Book 2: http://pan.baidu.com...p;uk=3793240732

Just in case anyone is interested in translating certain parts. Pretty sure you guys know which parts I refer to.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

These seem to be links for the Kizuna books that we previously talked about.

Book 1: http://pan.baidu.com...p;uk=3793240732

Book 2: http://pan.baidu.com...p;uk=3793240732

Just in case anyone is interested in translating certain parts. Pretty sure you guys know which parts I refer to.

I'll only read the pictures the best as i can with my current japanese language skills.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 05 May 2013 - 06:39 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

These seem to be links for the Kizuna books that we previously talked about.

Book 1: http://pan.baidu.com...p;uk=3793240732

Book 2: http://pan.baidu.com...p;uk=3793240732

Just in case anyone is interested in translating certain parts. Pretty sure you guys know which parts I refer to.

Thanks. I got to wait since I'm away at work and download would be slow. That said I'll try my best to translate it but preferable anyone who knows it fluidly.

[六道仙人]

Isn't it chinese?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Isn't it chinese?

It is? Ah crap. I can't even ask my gf since she's not really good at it. Lol. Oh boy, she'll kill me if she read this. Anyway, I'm going to download it and see what's up.

[Inferno180]

To point it looked exactly like Madara?
I have any doubts that he is able to control Yagura but Yagura was mizukage right on the begining of the war, i think it's kinda obvious that the whole timeline is pretty much f**cked up.
On this time Nagato was younger since it was on the third war that he lose his parents and Nagato was just a kid when Obito goes out Nagato was a teenager much like Naruto's current age, and despite in peace there were some conflicts like the village of the rain, which Jiraiya pretty much described that he heard that he died on one of those "wars".

Thats the problem with the time of the series, we can only use the age of characters and some events as to how much time actually passes and what occurs and when. There is no yearly dating system, we only get an approximation of time that passes but not the actual span of it.

If we go by the whole series, we only know these spans of time that occur:
1,000 or so years between the Sage and the village era, the tailed beasts are hundreds of years old, this length of time is also for the "evolution" of ninja, its a given set of time for the tailed beasts to grow, the bloodlines of ninja to expand and change, and the passage of time for the 5 great nations to have been established at one point during this period of time along with technology (or whatever technology exists in this universe) to pass and develop. The 5 nations existed before the ninja villages. We also know that there was a great span of time due to others like the elder toad sage being 1,000 years old and fukasaku himself being 800 years old. Jiriaya even said that the nine tails appeared several times in human history, generally whenever hate festered and human malice was at its height.

The era of the ninja villages: we only know that the era our story takes place in is around 70-85 years in the era. This is due to Hiriuzen's age (69) and Kakuzu (91) basically the villages are older than 60 but younger than 90. The village was around with Hashirama and Tobirama too, but they had to be about mid thirty to forty when they died. The first war had to have occurred for at least 5 years too, Tobirama died in the first war but had to be hokage for a small amount of time because Hiruzen was a child (10-12) when he was trained by both senju brothers, but on the night of his death Hiruzen had to be at least 17 when he became hokage and he was hokage for a long time until he was at least 57. Kakuzu was from the warring clan era but lived unnaturally long due to his earth grudge fear techniques.

The only real sense of time we know of is:
Month break in the chunin exam between preliminary and finals.
3 month gap between Sasuke running away and Naruto leaving with Jiriaya (This passage of time is canon as even for one simple panel space, Tsunade says Sakura had come far in that short time during medical training).
The timeskip 2-1/2 years
At least 6 months from the start of shippuden to the "death" of orochimaru by Sasuke.
Past events based on the age of certain characters like Jiriaya, Kakashi, and so on.

Problem is we never get even a notion of a month for these events. Thats why we are left with approximations and estimates.

[六道仙人]

It is? Ah crap. I can't even ask my gf since she's not really good at it. Lol. Oh boy, she'll kill me if she read this. Anyway, I'm going to download it and see what's up.

No, pardon me... I wanted to check so I downloaded it... It's raw jp version... good

[TouKen4Life3g]

No, pardon me... I wanted to check so I downloaded it... It's raw jp version... good

Ah ok. Thanks. Well, I'll give it a shot.

[六道仙人]

Good that I haven't bought it.... It doesn't say anything new.This is only a collection of famous quotes and stop really. The only new things are Kishimoto's interview which doesn't say something interesting.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Good that I haven't bought it.... It doesn't say anything new.This is only a collection of famous quotes and stop really. The only new things are Kishimoto's interview which doesn't say something interesting.

Oh well that's a shame. What kind of question Kishimoto's answer?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

No, pardon me... I wanted to check so I downloaded it... It's raw jp version... good

Which is some parts are in english.

[redragon88]

Good that I haven't bought it.... It doesn't say anything new.This is only a collection of famous quotes and stop really. The only new things are Kishimoto's interview which doesn't say something interesting.

I see. I was pretty sure they also gave a slight analysis regarding those quotes as well.

So, nothing of note at all regarding Sakura's bond with Naruto? Is there any mention regarding Hinata?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

These seem to be links for the Kizuna books that we previously talked about.

Book 1: http://pan.baidu.com...p;uk=3793240732

Book 2: http://pan.baidu.com...p;uk=3793240732

Just in case anyone is interested in translating certain parts. Pretty sure you guys know which parts I refer to.

The links are the same.