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[ThroughWithLove]

 

The only reason Hinata doesn't get this kind of grilling is because she never spoke about any other goals except getting Naruto. 

 

And because she's a friggin side character who got very little screen time throughout the entire manga.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

And she's still popular despite knitting a frigging scarf while her sister got kidnapped and that really pisses me off. I would risk my life to save my sister from an evil god.

[Narufan85]

 

Meh - read it. The only thing the author confirms is that Kishimoto never developed Sakura into what she was intended. She certainly didn't destroy team 7. Vilifying Sakura after the fact is pointless. It's like trying to slice and serve an unbaked cake, then complaining about how poorly it turned out.

 

Sakura's character was never fully developed and her story was not resolved. It was just dropped, then served up half-done.  

 

Sakura was all those things the author said — a cocky girl of no special talent who liked her hair and boys, etc. — but in the end, Sakura never achieved the things that were set out to be goals from the beginning: To be a strong shinobi and to have her team rely on her for a change. She had one moment in the war, but in the end it was all for naught. She turned housewife at 19 or 20, just when she would be hitting her prime. So the resolution of her storyline — does not occur. It was downgraded for Hinata's sake.

 

The only reason Hinata doesn't get this kind of grilling is because she never spoke about any other goals except getting Naruto. 

 

Even the one thing you'd think Sakura would get; standing beside Naruto to help save Sasuke; is denied her. She's reduced to crying for him, not challenging him as his equal in force of will if not raw strength and skill.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

http://remedialactio...7679890445/guys

Some NH fan more than likely trying to twist around the words of our own HalfDemonInuyasha when I explained why I am an NS fan since he said it best, even if he isn't a shipping fan.

[Illnevergiveup3]

lol, I hope some genius was able to come up with a Bullpup Rifle. And riddle the kitten out of Sasuke GTA V style.

[Nar123]

http://remedialactio...7679890445/guys

Some NH fan more than likely trying to twist around the words of our own HalfDemonInuyasha when I explained why I am an NS fan since he said it best, even if he isn't a shipping fan.

 

This guy smh, he is all over anti posts spilling his BS, just ignore him, its useless

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

This guy smh, he is all over anti posts spilling his BS, just ignore him, its useless

 

I know, Nar. He sounds almost like he is being butt-hurt because of HDI's words being pretty accurate, and trying to use one scene to explain "development".

[Nar123]

 

I know, Nar. He sounds almost like he is being butt-hurt because of HDI's words being pretty accurate, and trying to use one scene to explain "development".

 

He is a lost cause, he thinks only his deranged explanation can be the real one because "canon", the problem is just because it's "canon" doesnt mean it's good and he nitpicks NH moments like no one 

 

So yeah, don't lose your time with him. There are other few anti people however who easily destroyed his "arguments"  btw

Edited by Nar123, 29 April 2015 - 03:19 PM.

[Nar123]

Information about Gaiden....

 

SPOILER

 

 

Naruto, Salad master confirmed?

[LuckyChi7]

Information about Gaiden....

 

SPOILER

 

 

Naruto, Salad master confirmed?

 

 

Wait, so is my prediction actually coming true? 

 

I was just making a joke out of it!!!

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

Wait, so is my prediction actually coming true? 

 

I was just making a joke out of it!!!

 

Dammit, Chi! X-D Don't say anything else then, we could get jinxed somehow!!

[Narufan85]

Information about Gaiden....

 

SPOILER

 

 

Naruto, Salad master confirmed?

 

I don't think Kishi is even trying to think up original storylines anymore. So predictable.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Information about Gaiden....
 

SPOILER

 

 
Naruto, Salad master confirmed?

The title has Naruto or Seventh Hokage whatever, so we got to get him somewhere. I don't think it's what you guys think at all. That's too literally reading. Granted, it can be the case, but I'm siding on something else. Again, the title.

[LuckyChi7]

Went through some pics and ugh... How I hoped how much I hoped for this to happen

 

 

[Aizen-Sama]

NS wasn't the core....it was Naruto and Sasuke mostly then comes the others, she didn't kill Team 7 , Kishi did and what killed the bond was Hinata

Naruto and Sasuke's relationship was the most intense but it was terrible. Naruto and Sakura had the best relationship of Team 7.

[rocci]

 It isn't team 7 without Sasuke, It's Team Kakashi and later new team kakashi 

You are right too.
I think it would be better after chunin exam arc, kishi made an arc for team 7 before sasuke leave. So he could highlight naruto, sasuke, sakura feeling respectively.

[ultranx]

 

This guy smh, he is all over anti posts spilling his BS, just ignore him, its useless

seriously all the tard keeps saying is "IN THE TEXT" like the whole point of reading a manga is just the text and not INTERPRETATION OF LITERATURE 

[Otaru]

There's a new argument going on between fans or ex-fans regarding Kishimoto in the anti-THE LAST thread.
All this argument is happening due to Kishi's new interview or comment of BORUTO. I don't know whatever that is But people are arguing on whether Kishi is only a victim and has the right to express his regrets or whether he's to blame.

New argument amongstJapanese fans/ex-fans

839 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2015/04/03(金) 14:47:25.16 ID:Rjd2gUBj.net
>僕が本当に作りたい映画
>僕はこれ以上のものは描けません

この期に及んで本気出すという態度(原作含めこれまでは適当だったんかい)といい、そのくせ、言い訳がましく予防線張るような向上心のない弱気発言といい、この作者、作品と一緒でぶれまくり
意気込みを語れば語るほど不快度が増すわ

>This is the movie I really wanted to make
>I could not draw something more

The way he acts suddenly serious(was he not serious during his canon manga), but at the same time speak weakly like he can't aim higher, makes me think that this author is exactly like his series with no purpose
The more he talks about his motivation, the more it makes me feel unpleasant

842 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2015/04/03(金) 16:12:32.15 ID:22qTWxH4.net[2/3]
>>837
アレってよく考えたらすごい事だよな
今から映画始まるって時にまたは映画鑑賞後に作者自ら映画の主題に思い入れ無いって
原稿上がった時にもう少しオブラートに包むとか差し替えないなんてバカ正直というか
NARUTOに関わる人間にしては公平というか
それとも差し替えもきかないほど締め切りブッチで原稿が上がったのかな

Come to think of it, it's quite unbelievable
He had the nerve to say that he had no interest towards the movie in the pamphlet handed before the movie. He is so stupidly honest he didn't think about covering his words or he's just really fair.
Or was the due date so quick they couldn't exchange it with something else?

843 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2015/04/03(金) 16:24:48.16 ID:Is1VX5eC.net[3/3]
アニスタのやる気が凄くて自分も頑張りまし的なコメントしてたな

He also made a comment saying that he only tried because the anime staff tried too hard.

844 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2015/04/03(金) 16:31:59.09 ID:RVPrTvcs.net
遠回しにこれは僕の考えじゃないんですよって主張は再三入れてるような気がしてたよ
立場上はっきりは言えないけど
キスシーンが見れるかどうかわからなかったとか作者のコメントじゃないからな

ボルト映画のコメント見てもこっちが自分のやりたいことですって言ってるし
lastはほんとは抵抗あったんだなってのが伝わってくる

I've always felt that he's always inserting his thoughts trying to tell us indirectly that this isn't how he feels although he cannot say it due to his circumstances.
Saying he didn't know if he could see the kiss scene isn't what a writer would comment

Even reading his comment regarding the Boruto movie, he says this is what he actually wanted to do
I could understand that he actually didn't want to do the THE LAST

845 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2015/04/03(金) 16:35:16.37 ID:ZXNXidLl.net[1/2]
恋愛映画なのに相手役のヒロインに対しての手抜きは酷かった
オマケ漫画も

It's supposed to be a romance movie but the negligent depiction of the love interest heroine was terrible
Even in the Omake manga

847 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2015/04/03(金) 19:15:55.09 ID:146FZOyA.net
>>844
すごい妄想だな
作者も含めて同罪だよ
抵抗なんてどこにある
そういうありもしない作者は被害者妄想は正直気持ち悪い

What a great fantasy
The writer is just as guilty
Where do you see that he's trying to fight against THE LAST?
Those kinds of non-existent 'author is a victim' fantasy is disgusting

849 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2015/04/03(金) 19:29:16.07 ID:B8fg9BR5.net[2/3]
今回の岸本のコメントにヒナタ信者が発狂していたのでそれだけでOK

I'm satisfied enough that the Hinatards were going mad with Kishi's recent comment

853 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2015/04/03(金) 22:12:47.68 ID:CVruT5rT.net
>>844
830が言っている通りだったらむしろキッシーが往生際が悪く見える
自分で原作と地続きの699.5話って言ってるし
制作にも関わっているんだから被害者じゃないし

>>847
同意
ただ最後の表現はもう少し抑えよう

>>844
If it is like what 830 said then it makes Kishimoto look even more pathetic
He is the one who said that it's connected to canon as chapter 699.5
He's also involved in the creation so he's not a victim

>>847
Agree
But stop being too offensive with the way of your expression

854 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2015/04/03(金) 23:17:44.15 ID:Crg0+Dcc.net
まぁ作者も実は嫌だったんだは絶対にないと言っていいな
LASTだってノリノリだったろうし今更キッシーも嫌だったんだなんてこのスレでは不快になる人も多いと思う

Well I think we can say that there is definitely no, "The writer actually didn't want it"
He must have enjoyed the Last. If you say NOW that Kishi actually hated it, it makes people in this thread feel unpleasant

855 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2015/04/03(金) 23:23:33.38 ID:5Ru/ZnjO.net[2/2]
ノリノリには思えなかった

But it didn't look like he was enjoying it

857 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2015/04/03(金) 23:54:35.43 ID:1rXMhQVm.net
珍しく信者がNARUTOは恋愛だけじゃないというからどうしたのかと思ったら
秘伝の恋愛配分で揉めたらしく、秘伝はメインキャラの恋愛だけじゃない
だから自分の押しているカップルの恋愛が押されても当然、文句を言うなということらしい
色んなもの放り投げた700話やら映画を絶賛してる時点でお察しだったけどな
ところで秘伝でナルトがヒナタ選んだ理由が胸になったと聞いたが本当なのか
あれだけ幻術くりかえして結局それなら酷いもんだな

>>844
BORUTOは原作者が全力でやったよ、だからLASTで離れた人も見に来てねオーラがムンムン漂ってるな
作者の斜め上を修正できる人間がかかわってればまだしも
700話だけであれだけ不快な表現盛り込んじゃう作者だからなどうなることやら

I was surprised hearing the pairing fans suddenly say they NARUTO is not only about romance
It seems they were fighting over the ratio of the focus on romance in the Hiden
(If my favorite couple is more focused than yours, stop complaining) it seems
Well, I could already see that coming with how they were happy with chapter 700 and the last that threw everything away
By the way, I heard that in the Hiden it was written the reason why Naruto chose Hinata was because of the boobs, is that true?
They've done so many genjutsus but if thats the final reason then it's terrible

>>The author is trying hard to say, "I've put all my efforts on BORUTO, so fans who became ex-fans after the LAST please watch it!"
if anyone can fix Kishi's weird way of thinking then maybe....
But he's the writer who wrote so many unpleasant expressions in chapter 700....who knows

859 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2015/04/04(土) 00:15:42.78 ID:umQfXw6H.net[1/2]
>>855
岸本がもしLASTの内容に驚愕して「こんなものが最後なんて冗談じゃない」と内心反発したと仮定しよう
イヤなら作者権限振りかざして止めるなり699.5話という錦の御旗を取り上げLASTはパラレルに過ぎない、
原作に擦り寄るなと拒絶するといった作者ならではの対抗策があったはず
そういった手段を事前に取らず後からパンフでLASTの主題に思い入れなし発言したり
BORUTOの製作コメントで「ほんとに作りたかったのはこっち」といった主張をしているとしたら
みみっちい意趣返ししてんじゃないよとしか言えん
だいたいアニスタに丸投げしたの岸本本人だし

まぁTVシリーズがまだ残っているからスタッフと険悪になる訳にもいかず容認したかもしれないし
他作品からも感じられるアニメ化飯の種にさせてもらう作品へのリスペクト皆無なぴえろだから
イエスマン岸本など適当にあしらわれていたのかもしれない
どうであれ自分の子供である作品を守らない、守れない、こだわりない作者なら駄作製造業者と共犯だし
後から何言ってもムダ、>>836が岸本の本性だろう

>>855
So, let's just pretend that Kishi was surprised with the content of the LAST and thought in his heart that "I can't stand that this will be the end"
If he didn't want it he could use his rights as a writer to stop it, stop saying it's chapter 699.5, say the LAST is only a parallel, reject it being canon material....he could've done any of those as a writer
He didn't do any of those and yet he still has the nerve to say he has no interest in THE LAST or say, "the one I really wanted to make was this" regarding Boruto movie
I can only say he's doing a wimpy retaliation

Well maybe he accepted it because the tv series was still ongoing and he couldn't afford to get in a bad mood with the staff
Seeing that this is Studio Pierrot which has no respect for the series they're animating
They might have easily ignored yes-man Kishimoto
In either case a writer who doesn't care or try to protect about the series which is his child, is a partner in crime with the trash creators
No matter what he say now it's useless, >>836 is his reality

861 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2015/04/04(土) 00:29:50.82 ID:7+/4ekif.net
>>859 ほんと、これ

岸本や公式がLAST後の人気をどう捉えてるのかはわからんが、作者の新人向けのコメントや、今回のほんとに作りたいもの発言見ると、後悔や不本意さは多少は感じてるのかもしれんが、実際公式として売り出してんだからな
大人の事情はあるにせよ、自身で止められなかったのなら出した以上は余計なこと言わず見守ってりゃいいのに、ほんと往生際が悪いよな

以前ここでも言われてたと思うが、そもそも自分の自信作ではない作品を、わざわざ明言してまで客に出す神経がわからんし、反応が悪くなって初めて実はこれこそが本気出した作品なんです!!是非なんて言われても今更なんだよ
離れた読者を取り込む為の策なのかもしれんが、もしあてが外れた上にヒナタ要素皆無のボルトと元七班に尽力し過ぎて、盲信してるヒナタ信者まで取り逃がすようなことになれば、残るのは

>>Truly this

I don't know how Kishimoto or the official is treating the popularity rate after THE LAST, but seeing the author's comment to the the new coming writers, the 'what I really wanted to make was this' comment, I could feel some part of his regrets and unsatisfactory feelings...BUT he has already tried to sell it as an official
Maybe there might have been some behind the scenes situation, but since he hasn't been able to do anything about it he should just shut up and sees how it goes. He's truly pathetic

People have said this before but I don't understand the nerve of a guy who would clearly advertise a story of his that he isn't proud of to his customers, and it's too late to say "THIS is the product I wanted to create!" AFTER the reactions were bad.
He might be trying his best to bring back the fans he lost but if his aiming is wrong and he loses his delusional Hinata fans by putting too much focus on old-team 7 and Boruto who looks nothing like Hinata, who will stay......

863 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2015/04/04(土) 00:34:32.61 ID:cRWUfIHA.net[1/4]
>>858
サスケ信者が出番が少ないことに喜んでいるのを見かけた
そしてナルト信者はこれ以上でないでくれと願っていた
各カプ厨だけは元気だな

>>858
I heard the Sasuke fans are celebrating that Sasuke has few roles
And the Naruto fans were praying to please not give roles to Naruto anymore
Only the pairing fans are excited

864 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2015/04/04(土) 00:35:04.63 ID:cRWUfIHA.net[2/4]
>>862
カプ厨は岸本を叩きまくりだぞ

The pairings fans are bashing Kishi though

What do you guys think?
I'm among the people who thinks he's the one to blame, but many people including my friends, my sister and her husband say that he was forced to do this and they feel sorry for him

 

I always had the feeling he was forced to do this. (thank you for all those informations)

[Aizen-Sama]

Someone on tumblr said Sasuke left Sakura & his daughter for 12 years because he felt he "didn't deserve" to be in their presence. My god these SS fans will make up kittening anything. >.>

[LuckyChi7]

Someone on tumblr said Sasuke left Sakura & his daughter for 12 years because he felt he "didn't deserve" to be in their presence. My god these SS fans will make up kittening anything. >.>

 

 

They're just desperate they'll be willing to do anything to justify reasons behind Sasuke leaving for their pairing to make sense.