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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Agreed, plus that line is from Naruto not Sasuke. During that whole confrontation all Sasuke was focused on was Naruto. He even told Obito off so that he could listen to what Naruto said. And if Sasuke doesn't consider him an equal, why did he suddenly change his mind to use Itachi's eyes?

And StriderC

Looks like you guys seem to missing a lot of previous posts that i did, Sasuke does not accept it, Naruto knows he doesnt accept him as an equal, he may act like he acknowledges but he refuses to accept.
Which is the point of my past posts.
Which is why Naruto wants to fight with him for Sasuke to accept him as an equal this is the same as not acknowledging someome.

it's annoying, Naruto says "you dont acknowledge me as an equal" and people keep trying to prove otherwise, are you going now to say that Hinata doenst love Naruto, that Obito is not Tobi and so on...

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 May 2013 - 08:23 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

And StriderC

Looks like you guys seem to missing a lot of previous posts that i did, Sasuke does not accept it, Naruto knows he doesnt accept him as an equal, he may act like he acknowledges but he refuses to accept.
Which is the point of my past posts.
Which is why Naruto wants to fight with him for Sasuke to accept him as an equal this is the same as not acknowledging someome.

I think the only acknowledgement is that Naruto is the true close friend that he has bonded with and he will break it by defeating him, which he did. So now, or not(?), killing him will be a permanent broken bond.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 03 May 2013 - 08:23 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I think the only acknowledgement is that Naruto is the true close friend that he has bonded with and he will break it by defeating him, which he did. So now, or not(?), killing him will be a permanent broken bond.

he acknowledged him as his best friend and that he's strong but during that he still views Naruto as inferior to him to a point that he even said that he wasnt even able to do a scratch on his headband.Sasuke.
Sasuke refuses to acknowledge Naruto, despite showing hints that he feels bothered when gets stronger and etc..., which was one of the reasons to drove him to leave the village.
If basing on this is enough to say that "Sasuke acknowledges Naruto" then Sasuke acknowledged Naruto since Gaara's battle.

naruto knows he was his best friends but Sasuke views him as inferior even during he "acknowledges " him on that arc and even during the whole part 2, does nto matter how many hints he display he still views Naruto as inferior.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 May 2013 - 08:28 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

he acknowledged him as his best friend and that he's strong but during that he still views Naruto as inferior to him to a point that he even said that he wasnt even able to do a scratch on his headband.Sasuke.
Sasuke refuses to acknowledge Naruto, despite showing hints that he feels bothered when gets stronger and etc..., which was one of the reasons to drove him to leave the village.
If basing on this is enough to say that "Sasuke acknowledges Naruto" then Sasuke acknowledged Naruto since Gaara's battle.

naruto knows he was his best friends but Sasuke views him as inferior even during he "acknowledges " him on that arc and even during the whole part 2, does nto matter how many hints he display he still views Naruto as inferior.

Yeah. It's funny because Sasuke felt inferior to him or at least feeling like he was growing that he is. It doesn't help that Sasuke thought Naruto was more special to Itachi though he didn't know why earlier. Then he got too arrogant that he's not worthy but just a Kyuubi. Trust me, you don't know how much I can't wait Naruto to kick his ass. I think general and Naruto (character) fan can't wait for it too. If Naruto did beat him in part 1, then the closure would have happen already, much like Sakura's love if she didn't love Sasuke.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 03 May 2013 - 08:37 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yeah. It's funny because Sasuke felt inferior to him or at least feeling like he was growing that he is. It doesn't help that Sasuke thought Naruto was more special to Itachi though he didn't know why earlier. Then he got too arrogant that he's not worthy but just a Kyuubi. Trust me, you don't know how much I can't wait Naruto to kick his ass. I think general and Naruto (character) fan can't wait for it.

Yep, Sasuke resembles Vegita on all way.
Funny thing is that revisiting some chapters, interesting is that NaruSasu and Obi/Kakashi does resemble NaruHina.

Naruto's words to Sasuke resembled Hinata's declaration fo love to naruto, Naruto says "You inspired me, and i wanted to be like you, i wanted to be strong like you", and Hinata 's quotes were basically the same.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 May 2013 - 08:38 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yep, Sasuke resembles Vegita on all way.
Funny thing is that revisiting some chapters, interesting is that NaruSasu and Obi/Kakashi does resemble NaruHina.

Wait what?

Oh never mind. Well Hinata is about being influenced. I have a retrace of the NH and all I get is about inspiration. That's nothing new.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 03 May 2013 - 08:40 PM.

[StriderC]

Yeah. It's funny because Sasuke felt inferior to him or at least feeling like he was growing that he is. It doesn't help that Sasuke thought Naruto was more special to Itachi though he didn't know why earlier. Then he got too arrogant that he's not worthy but just a Kyuubi. Trust me, you don't know how much I can't wait Naruto to kick his ass. I think general and Naruto (character) fan can't wait for it too. If Naruto did beat him in part 1, then the closure would have happen already, much like Sakura's love if she didn't love Sasuke.

The bolded. Throughout part 1, Naruto turned into some that Sasuke saw as a rival, and someone who was very strong. He stated this before.
That he wanted to fight Naruto the most I believe. You don't say things like that to people who you don't acknowledge.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Wait what?

Oh never mind. Well Hinata is about being influenced. I have a retrace of the NH and all I get is about inspiration. That's nothing new.

Hinata is romantic driven while Naruto is rivalry stuff.
But resembles up a bit but with differences, it "ended" with she being acknowledged and i think will end up on the same way with Naruto being acknowledged by Sasuke.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 May 2013 - 08:49 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The bolded. Throughout part 1, Naruto turned into some that Sasuke saw as a rival, and someone who was very strong. He stated this before.
That he wanted to fight Naruto the most I believe. You don't say things like that to people who you don't acknowledge.

It makes sense. He does think of him time to time.

Let's put it this way. End of part 1:

Sasuke: acknowledged him as best friend/rival
Sakura: acknowledged him as a close friend to rely on

Now part 2 status:

Sasuke: hasn't been beaten by Naruto (strength/mentally), so Naruto needs to get stronger to finally close the story with him.
Sakura: doesn't love him romantically or at least acknowledge it, so Naruto continues to move her (unintentionally) to finally close the story with her.

This makes sense to me. Feel free to agree to disagree.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 03 May 2013 - 08:48 PM.

[Inferno180]

About Sasuke giving the thank you to Sakura, he was honestly thankful to her but this was kind of a last act of kindness before his corruption by Orochimaru.

It was like when Sasuke stepped out of the village, the further he got the more he lost his former self. Sasuke knew that if he wanted revenge, he have to get his hands dirty so before anything happened he gave one last act of kindness while he still his good sense of morale, he did not want his teammates to get involved because he felt Itachi was his duty, so before he left the village, it was an act to ensure they would not get involved.

The way Sasuke ran from the village reminds me of way back in the teen titans show when Raven found out she was supposed to bring the end of the world, she tried everything to avert it but it was not enough, her friends tried to stop and protect her from it but in the end she gave in, however before the evil act was commited, she encased them in a protective shield so they would survive the end of the world before they actually had the chance to fix and restore it.

What I mean is, Sasuke still in the village when he faced Sakura and like Naruto as well, he did not want them to get involved as he left and did not want them to chase him, because he was set on killing Itachi.

He wanted Sakura and Naruto to be left behind for these reasons:
-It was his business
-He did not want them to get in the way
-He did not want them to get hurt for his goal

However he left Naruto alive in the VoTE because he did not want to obtain power in the same way Itachi did, the MS was obtainable by killing your best friend. He left Naruto alive so as not to follow Itachi (as he thought back then). After Orochimaru corrupted him, he merely wanted them to leave him alone, only threatening to harm or even kill them if they interfered. When Itachi's truth was revealed then he was set on killing his former teammates and classmates, his memories got twisted and made him think that the peace they enjoyed was at the cost of using Itachi. Obviously Sasuke entered emo rage mode at this point and tried to kill Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi all in one go in this short arc. When Sasuke meets up with team 7 again, either there has to be some caution with them when they first meet given the last situation or Sasuke better still be harboring some resientment to the village for using Itachi like Naruto did for the past hate he had towards the villagers even though they trusted and respected him for beating pain. Only naruto managed to kill his hate by accepting himself and trusting in others who trusted in him.

Now if anything though this still means Sasuke never saw Naruto or Sakura as anything more than friends. He saw Naruto as a rival and friend and Sakura merely as a comrade/friend nothing more.

Edited by Inferno180, 03 May 2013 - 08:49 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

About Sasuke giving the thank you to Sakura, he was honestly thankful to her but this was kind of a last act of kindness before his corruption by Orochimaru.

It was like when Sasuke stepped out of the village, the further he got the more he lost his former self. Sasuke knew that if he wanted revenge, he have to get his hands dirty so before anything happened he gave one last act of kindness while he still his good sense of morale, he did not want his teammates to get involved because he felt Itachi was his duty, so before he left the village, it was an act to ensure they would not get involved.

The way Sasuke ran from the village reminds me of way back in the teen titans show when Raven found out she was supposed to bring the end of the world, she tried everything to avert it but it was not enough, her friends tried to stop and protect her from it but in the end she gave in, however before the evil act was commited, she encased them in a protective shield so they would survive the end of the world before they actually had the chance to fix and restore it.

What I mean is, Sasuke still in the village when he faced Sakura and like Naruto as well, he did not want them to get involved as he left and did not want them to chase him, because he was set on killing Itachi.

He wanted Sakura and Naruto to be left behind for these reasons:
-It was his business
-He did not want them to get in the way
-He did not want them to get hurt for his goal

However he left Naruto alive in the VoTE because he did not want to obtain power in the same way Itachi did, the MS was obtainable by killing your best friend. He left Naruto alive so as not to follow Itachi (as he thought back then). After Orochimaru corrupted him, he merely wanted them to leave him alone, only threatening to harm or even kill them if they interfered. When Itachi's truth was revealed then he was set on killing his former teammates and classmates, his memories got twisted and made him think that the peace they enjoyed was at the cost of using Itachi. Obviously Sasuke entered emo rage mode at this point and tried to kill Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi all in one go in this short arc. When Sasuke meets up with team 7 again, either there has to be some caution with them when they first meet given the last situation or Sasuke better still be harboring some resientment to the village for using Itachi like Naruto did for the past hate he had towards the villagers even though they trusted and respected him for beating pain. Only naruto managed to kill his hate by accepting himself and trusting in others who trusted in him.

Now if anything though this still means Sasuke never saw Naruto or Sakura as anything more than friends. He saw Naruto as a rival and friend and Sakura merely as a comrade/friend nothing more.

He wanted power, and orochimaru showed him that he could make him way more strong than he was, and with Naruto being more strong each time he felt that soon Naruto would surpass him, then he felt that he had to leave the village if he wanted to defeat Itachi.
He left Naruto alive because he really cared about him, but doesnt accept or admit it, even when they come back he gives a fake explanation about why he didnt killed him.
He was about to Kill Naruto even resembling the memory that he would obtain power but could not because Naruto counter-attacked.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 May 2013 - 08:54 PM.

[Shadow1275]

About Sasuke giving the thank you to Sakura, he was honestly thankful to her but this was kind of a last act of kindness before his corruption by Orochimaru.

It was like when Sasuke stepped out of the village, the further he got the more he lost his former self. Sasuke knew that if he wanted revenge, he have to get his hands dirty so before anything happened he gave one last act of kindness while he still his good sense of morale, he did not want his teammates to get involved because he felt Itachi was his duty, so before he left the village, it was an act to ensure they would not get involved.

The way Sasuke ran from the village reminds me of way back in the teen titans show when Raven found out she was supposed to bring the end of the world, she tried everything to avert it but it was not enough, her friends tried to stop and protect her from it but in the end she gave in, however before the evil act was commited, she encased them in a protective shield so they would survive the end of the world before they actually had the chance to fix and restore it.

What I mean is, Sasuke still in the village when he faced Sakura and like Naruto as well, he did not want them to get involved as he left and did not want them to chase him, because he was set on killing Itachi.

He wanted Sakura and Naruto to be left behind for these reasons:
-It was his business
-He did not want them to get in the way
-He did not want them to get hurt for his goal

However he left Naruto alive in the VoTE because he did not want to obtain power in the same way Itachi did, the MS was obtainable by killing your best friend. He left Naruto alive so as not to follow Itachi (as he thought back then). After Orochimaru corrupted him, he merely wanted them to leave him alone, only threatening to harm or even kill them if they interfered. When Itachi's truth was revealed then he was set on killing his former teammates and classmates, his memories got twisted and made him think that the peace they enjoyed was at the cost of using Itachi. Obviously Sasuke entered emo rage mode at this point and tried to kill Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi all in one go in this short arc. When Sasuke meets up with team 7 again, either there has to be some caution with them when they first meet given the last situation or Sasuke better still be harboring some resientment to the village for using Itachi like Naruto did for the past hate he had towards the villagers even though they trusted and respected him for beating pain. Only naruto managed to kill his hate by accepting himself and trusting in others who trusted in him.

Now if anything though this still means Sasuke never saw Naruto or Sakura as anything more than friends. He saw Naruto as a rival and friend and Sakura merely as a comrade/friend nothing more.

It was more of him trying to sever the bonds he had made for power in my opinion and here's why. Up until he finally defeats Naruto in the VOTE, Sasuke is trying to gain power because of what Itachi told him. The reason he says thank you is to sever his bond with Sakura. However, because Naruto fights him and manages to scratch his forehead, even giving in to the fox to save him to which Sasuke asks "why are you doing this for me?", Sasuke fails to sever the bond between himself and Naruto. That was the whole point of the VOTE fight, that Naruto managed to preserve the bond between himself and Sasuke. This led to several later events which prove this. First, because of the bond, Sasuke cannot bring himself to kill an unconscious Naruto and vows to not follow in Itachi's footsteps. Then in the first Team 7 reunion, he specifically says, "I managed to sever all of my bonds ." http://www.onemanga....to_manga/307/8/

And then he says "I wasn't able to sever my bond with you." Talking to Naruto. http://www.onemanga....o_manga/307/12/

Then of course we have the Land of Iron reunion where he almost kills Sakura, laughs at Kakashi, but then stops and tells off Madara to listen to Naruto.

As for Sasuke acknowledging Naruto, bottom line is that other characters can say whatever. But only Sasuke can speak for himself. And he clearly stated that he considers Naruto his equal.

Edited by Shadow1275, 03 May 2013 - 09:43 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's funny to see that chapter again, shadow. Why? Because Naruto sure did a lot of talking and Sai got easily talked back in a negative way. Why I said funny? I don't know, maybe because Sakura never got anything to say to him? I don't know why but don't you think that means it's a closure back in part 1 as in not asking him what do you mean about thank you, or why you leave them? That's why I always feel like there's nothing to be close except well talk to him as a good people. There's nothing like "I must find answer by asking this and that." To me, she's not only proving herself that she can protect both of them but plays as a support for Naruto's goal. But I guess Sasuke needs to have feelings for Sakura, don't he...

[Slextrem]

It's funny to see that chapter again, shadow. Why? Because Naruto sure did a lot of talking and Sai got easily talked back in a negative way. Why I said funny? I don't know, maybe because Sakura never got anything to say to him.

This part of your post made me think of Shino.

Why? Because Shino can never say something outright.

Why? Because he has to ask you, "why", before he can get to his point.

Why? Because he's awkward like that.

[TouKen4Life3g]

This part of your post made me think of Shino.

Why? Because Shino can never say something outright.

Why? Because he has to ask you, "why", before he can get to his point.

Why? Because he's awkward like that.

Lol I wonder if the anime started that or was if Kishi?

[Shadow1275]

It's funny to see that chapter again, shadow. Why? Because Naruto sure did a lot of talking and Sai got easily talked back in a negative way. Why I said funny? I don't know, maybe because Sakura never got anything to say to him? I don't know why but don't you think that means it's a closure back in part 1 as in not asking him what do you mean about thank you, or why you leave them? That's why I always feel like there's nothing to be close except well talk to him as a good people. There's nothing like "I must find answer by asking this and that." To me, she's not only proving herself that she can protect both of them but plays as a support for Naruto's goal. But I guess Sasuke needs to have feelings for Sakura, don't he...

My take was the same.

Sasuke's thank you meant different things to different people:

Sasuke: Thanks for everything but I'm not interested. This is the end of our bond Sakura.

Sakura: He just won't listen to me no matter what. The only person who can change him is Naruto.

SS fans: He loves her, he loves her, He soooo Loves Her!!!!!

Bottom line is Sakura never said anything about changing Sasuke, all she promised to do was be by Naruto's side when they went after him. Sakura knows that she can't change Sasuke, why else would she resolve to kill him. Which is why her love for Sasuke is selfish. It's not selfish because she hasn't chosen Naruto after all he has done, it's selfish because she loves a man who doesn't exist and doesn't feel the same way.

[TouKen4Life3g]

My take was the same.

Sasuke's thank you meant different things to different people:

Sasuke: Thanks for everything but I'm not interested. This is the end of our bond Sakura.

Sakura: He just won't listen to me no matter what. The only person who can change him is Naruto.

SS fans: He loves her, he loves her, He soooo Loves Her!!!!!

Bottom line is Sakura never said anything about changing Sasuke, all she promised to do was be by Naruto's side when they went after him. Sakura knows that she can't change Sasuke, why else would she resolve to kill him. Which is why her love for Sasuke is selfish. It's not selfish because she hasn't chosen Naruto after all he has done, it's selfish because she loves a man who doesn't exist and doesn't feel the same way.

This.

Honestly, I still at this point think SS is done already. Right now, it's Sakura that needs to be done. There's no cliffhanger note for SS, besides perhaps last interaction as friends, but that's like really gamble. NS has two or three: being clear with confession and the confession from Naruto. Not to mention, we still don't know how it all goes down but if the final battle still have something in stake, then "Both of us will die" will come back again. NS has huge advantages because of these developments and buildups. SS only lies with one, and Sakura doesn't question their last interaction. The message was clear: thanks for memory. That's it. Otherwise, Sasuke will be thinking about it in some point, but none. No excuse because he sure thinks about Naruto.

[TrueSacrifice]

This.

Honestly, I still at this point think SS is done already. Right now, it's Sakura that needs to be done. There's no cliffhanger note for SS, besides perhaps last interaction as friends, but that's like really gamble. NS has two or three: being clear with confession and the confession from Naruto. Not to mention, we still don't know how it all goes down but if the final battle still have something in stake, then "Both of us will die" will come back again. NS has huge advantages because of these developments and buildups. SS only lies with one, and Sakura doesn't question their last interaction. The message was clear: thanks for memory. That's it. Otherwise, Sasuke will be thinking about it in some point, but none. No excuse because he sure thinks about Naruto.

Exactly. Sasuke is a foil for Naruto. Naruto is a rival for him. Naruto is probably one of the few people he actually thinks about.

Sasuke's true feelings for Sakura are unknown but judging on past interactions there really is nothing. If SasuSaku had ever been intended there would have been more hints and development.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

This.

Honestly, I still at this point think SS is done already. Right now, it's Sakura that needs to be done. There's no cliffhanger note for SS, besides perhaps last interaction as friends, but that's like really gamble. NS has two or three: being clear with confession and the confession from Naruto. Not to mention, we still don't know how it all goes down but if the final battle still have something in stake, then "Both of us will die" will come back again. NS has huge advantages because of these developments and buildups. SS only lies with one, and Sakura doesn't question their last interaction. The message was clear: thanks for memory. That's it. Otherwise, Sasuke will be thinking about it in some point, but none. No excuse because he sure thinks about Naruto.

About SS i think it will be the same course as Sasuke.
Because the main reason to people hate Sasuke was the fact that he pursued revenge against the village without having reasons to do so, he was just emo rage fueled with no reason like a rebel teenager, but wthen he suddenly changed and people still hated him(which includes me) because of the reason for him to change(?).
With Sakura is no difference really the main reason for people to hate her is the fact that she still loves him despite all the bad things he did to her and also she doesnt have any reason to love him at all which is even stated by her own words and her own flashbacks, misleading people like now, and suddenly NS happens and people will still hate her, despite having development to have a change of heart it's kinda obvious that the scene will be quick and probably will realize the same thing she realized before.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 May 2013 - 01:02 AM.

[TrueSacrifice]

About SS i think it will be the same course as Sasuke.
Because the main reason to people hate Sasuke was the fact that he pursued revenge against the village without having reasons to do so, he was just emo rage fueled with no reason like a rebel teenager, but wthen he suddenly changed and people still hated him(which includes me) because of the reason for him to change(?).
With Sakura is no difference really the main reason for people to hate her is the fact that she still loves him despite all the bad things he did to her and also she doesnt have any reason to love him at all which is even stated by her own words and her own flashbacks, misleading people like now, and suddenly NS happens and people will still hate her, despite having development to have a change of heart it's kinda obvious that the scene will be quick and probably will realize the same thing she realized before.

I think she still loves Sasuke just so it will make a more dramatic impact. If we knew she had already gotten over him it wouldn't be as impactful when she finally chooses Naruto. Unfortunately it's having the effect of Sakura looking selfish and unable to face reality.

This is why I'm actually excited that Sasuke is coming.