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[HauntedCake]

The secret feeling theory doesnt work without more than an asspull. It makes no sense storytelling wise to show no feelings or hints of hidden feelings throughout the whole story but suddenly in the end they are there. It has no point to show something like that. Unless you cant tell me a reason for kishi to do so, i wont even think about it anymore.

Yeah, the incoming SS moment is going to have asspulls in it. It's just the way it's worded "Wasn't able to..." makes it sound like he couldn't even think about it because of Itatchi, but that doesn't mean he would'nt have, if you get what i mean.... That's until Part 2 ofc

If he had secret feelings for Sakura he would not be able to try to kill Sakura like that, Sasuke left Naruto alive because he cares about him even not accepting those emotions, he even got bothered when his chakra was resonanting all over the place.

Yeah thats a good point

Edited by HauntedCake, 03 May 2013 - 05:21 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sasuke wasn't able to reciprocate because he just doesn't feel that way for her. Sasuke could've said "I love you too" and left just the same, but since he didn't have feelings for her at least he wanted to express his gratitude for her caring about him with his "thank you".

THe thank you was relevant to Sakura because she thought she was just an useless girl and only was on his way like sh stated on her own confession and the thank you was more like an acknowledgment that he doesnt view her like she thought she was.
Which was pretty much retarded due to his cold actions towards her.
That he cared about her as a teammate he just said based on his actions when he wanted to save both Naruto and Sakura, nothing romantic actually was the same thing he did with Karin when she come back.

THis whole secret theory got downhill since Karin was introduced and he viewed the taka team as his own team 7, and on the summit arc where it was obvious that for Sasuke, Sakura and Karin were on the same pedestal.
He had any special feelings towards them but views them as his teammates.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 May 2013 - 05:22 PM.

[StriderC]

THe thank you was relevant to Sakura because she thought she was just an useless girl and only was on his way like sh stated on her own confession and the thank you was more like an acknowledgment that he doesnt view her like she thought she was.
Which was pretty much retarded due to his cold actions towards her.

How is it retarded? Naruto and Sakura got closure with Sasuke in Part 1.

A thank you from Sasuke was for Sakura, and Sasuke acknowledged Naruto as his equal before he left. He SAW both of them. The confession scene with Sasuke and Sakura was a nice scene when it comes to development given he appreciated Sakura. He may not love her, but it's still a positive moment IMO.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

How is it retarded? Naruto and Sakura got closure with Sasuke in Part 1.

A thank you from Sasuke was for Sakura, and Sasuke acknowledged Naruto as his equal before he left. He SAW both of them. The confession scene with Sasuke and Sakura was a nice scene when it comes to development given he appreciated Sakura. He may not love her, but it's still a positive moment IMO.

Becuase he treated her like trash and was cold to her when she demonstrated concern over him and made her think that she was an annoyance just to mislead her and say that he doesnt view her like that, i'm not talking if it's positive or negative my comment wasnt about that.

Strange because Naruto said on the summit that Sasuke doesnt view him as an equal, which is the whole reason why he wants to fight with Sasuke.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 May 2013 - 05:27 PM.

[PhenixElite]

Let me add a couple of things though. Dammit, I couldn't resist.

1. In the fight versus Sasori, while Chiyo helped her more than a lot, guess what Sakura did? The same thing. If it weren't for her strength, the obstacles they had encountered wouldn't have been as easy. SHE took out the first puppet Hiroku or whatever the hell it's name was. SHE took down the Kazekage puppet, and SHE was the reason Chiyo was even able to use her ten puppet jutsu given SHE'S the reason the iron sand had lost it's effect, so yeah. Oh, and let's not forget she saved Chiyo's life as well. So while Sakura may be a healer to you, she's way more than that to me and she's proven that she is.

Also, let's not forget what her desires were in Part 1. Also, I could easily say that Kishi didn't give her taijutsu skills and super strength for nothing. Note, in the databooks, her taijutsu skills definitely increased as well her other skills, and support types are still people would could possibly assist in battle. If she weren't capable of fighting on her own, she'd be one of the dead shinobi in the tents but she wasn't.

LOL I respect your opinion, but I just don't agree with ya.

I think you already know my response , but we agreed to disagree.
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Same here, but no problem

Yeah, the incoming SS moment is going to have asspulls in it. It's just the way it's worded "Wasn't able to..." makes it sound like he couldn't even think about it because of Itatchi, but that doesn't mean he would'nt have, if you get what i mean.... That's until Part 2 ofc

Who says that theres an asspull incoming? All i know is that if kishi wanted to make SS canon in the end he would have written the story completly different. You dont show sakuras love for sasuke as a bad one and make her develope feelings for the main protoganist who is in love with her through the whole story, just to make her go back to the bad love in the end and trash all what happened with her development before.

[StriderC]

Becuase he treated her like trash and was cold to her when she demonstrated concern over him and made her think that she was an annoyance just to mislead her and say that he doesnt view her like that, i'm not talking if it's positive or negative my comment wasnt about that.

Strange because Naruto said on the summit that Sasuke doesnt view him as an equal, which is the whole reason why he wants to fight with Sasuke.

Strange... Why in the world did he put his headband on when fighting him at the VoTE?? I'm not talking about the summit. I'm talking about Part 1 when the events happened. Now, why did he put the headband on his forehead Dark?

[KnS]

You're putting way too much thought into it. The Databook is not a Da Vinci Code.

I think this could be extended to the entire story, more or less. While one should take into account that Kishimoto is a grown man with what is likely a full array of life experiences, he's not building the narrative equivalent of a rocket here. It's a shonen manga, with a target demographic of age 10 and up. Age 10. I think a lot of people forget that. (Including Kishimoto, at times.)

It doesn't make sense that Kishimoto would take Sasuke, the principle antagonist of the main three characters, and give him "secret feelings" -- secret feelings of which the nature and complexity would escape a good portion of his audience.

As admitted above, Kishimoto is not overly consistent with this kind of thing. He introduces a lot of complex ideas and mature themes in some areas, but not others. There is an expectation that readers will look underneath the underneath sometimes, but othertimes to accept things at face value. As I've said before, I sometimes think Kishimoto forgets the wide range of age and sophistication among his readers, and he ends up bouncing around.

It's fun to dig into the details and look for deeper meanings and try to connect things; I do it myself all the time. That's what fandom is all about. But in the end, we really can't assume anything that's not expressly stated or drawn on the page. Pro or con.

Getting carried away with the idea that Sasuke has any "secret feelings" at all -- much less for Sakura -- is, I think, just looking too hard at things. As Dr. Freud supposedly said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

[soraandven]

the mario one shot was awesome i saw alot of similarity with mario and saori to narusaku

[T XD]

the mario one shot was awesome i saw alot of similarity with mario and saori to narusaku

What can we say... The guy loves parallels XD

[soraandven]

if he continued with mario it would of been a good story between him and saori and most fans on youtube critisize kishi's female characters lol

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think this could be extended to the entire story, more or less. While one should take into account that Kishimoto is a grown man with what is likely a full array of life experiences, he's not building the narrative equivalent of a rocket here. It's a shonen manga, with a target demographic of age 10 and up. Age 10. I think a lot of people forget that. (Including Kishimoto, at times.)

It doesn't make sense that Kishimoto would take Sasuke, the principle antagonist of the main three characters, and give him "secret feelings" -- secret feelings of which the nature and complexity would escape a good portion of his audience.

As admitted above, Kishimoto is not overly consistent with this kind of thing. He introduces a lot of complex ideas and mature themes in some areas, but not others. There is an expectation that readers will look underneath the underneath sometimes, but othertimes to accept things at face value. As I've said before, I sometimes think Kishimoto forgets the wide range of age and sophistication among his readers, and he ends up bouncing around.

It's fun to dig into the details and look for deeper meanings and try to connect things; I do it myself all the time. That's what fandom is all about. But in the end, we really can't assume anything that's not expressly stated or drawn on the page. Pro or con.

Getting carried away with the idea that Sasuke has any "secret feelings" at all -- much less for Sakura -- is, I think, just looking too hard at things. As Dr. Freud supposedly said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

Well said.

You know what it is, we want to be reminded of his intention and honestly, I guess it's for the best for everyone. I don't want to go too deep but I just recently saw a video of a top best episode of a show and his #1 pick really makes me think about it and ended up agreeing with him. That said if you wish to know what I am trying to say, feel free to ask. All I can say is this place needs a reminder from Kishi and when it happens, I believe everyone in here will be ok.

[soraandven]

i hope japanese translations for rtn come out soon cuz junko and chie voice them the best although chie thinks kate voices sakura better lol

[T XD]

Well said.

You know what it is, we want to be reminded of his intention and honestly, I guess it's for the best for everyone. I don't want to go too deep but I just recently saw a video of a top best episode of a show and his #1 pick really makes me think about it and ended up agreeing with him. That said if you wish to know what I am trying to say, feel free to ask. All I can say is this place needs a reminder from Kishi and when it happens, I believe everyone in here will be ok.

From the way the manga is represented till now, I don't think there's a need for a reminder. It's just that over thinking in things too much, or seeing underneath the underneath will lead to doubt and confusion. Maybe we do need a reminder, and I think another reminder will be shown in the manga sooner or later also.

Edited by T XD, 03 May 2013 - 06:05 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

From the way the manga is represented till now, I don't think there's a need for a reminder. It's just that over thinking in things too much, or seeing underneath the underneath will lead to doubt and confusion. Maybe we do need a reminder, and I think another reminder will be shown in the manga sooner or later also.

I already see a different picture as well as others, but there are those who wants a reminder. It's nothing wrong with people thinking otherwise, but I don't want them to be so worried, that they may place a character or two on a pedestal. Again, it's timing that makes it seem like one gets a better treatment when to be honest, they're not. This volume could be last or not for this climax, so this should give a better picture. Time will tell.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 03 May 2013 - 06:26 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Strange... Why in the world did he put his headband on when fighting him at the VoTE?? I'm not talking about the summit. I'm talking about Part 1 when the events happened. Now, why did he put the headband on his forehead Dark?

Case closed.

[StriderC]

Case closed.

Nope. You're talking about the summit, and I'm talking about the VoTE. You didn't answer my question. Why did Sasuke put his headband on at the VoTE when he fought Naruto?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Nope. You're talking about the summit, and I'm talking about the VoTE. You didn't answer my question. Why did Sasuke put his headband on at the VoTE when he fought Naruto?

I bring the most updated version of this about Naruto and Sasuke and Naruto states that he didnt acknowledge him as an equal why keep pushing forward?
Blame Kishi not me.
Naruto only wants sasuke to acknowledge him as an equal which is why he wanted to fight with him and still wants to fight with him.
If Sasuke already acknowledged Naruto there would any reason for them to fight and they would not be rivals anymore.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 May 2013 - 07:05 PM.

[Shadow1275]

Nope. You're talking about the summit, and I'm talking about the VoTE. You didn't answer my question. Why did Sasuke put his headband on at the VoTE when he fought Naruto?

Agreed, plus that line is from Naruto not Sasuke. During that whole confrontation all Sasuke was focused on was Naruto. He even told Obito off so that he could listen to what Naruto said. And if Sasuke doesn't consider him an equal, why did he suddenly change his mind to use Itachi's eyes?

[Dkey]

Well Sasuke acknowledges him as a worthy opponent and probably as a friend. But Naruto sees him as a brother in suffering and the only one who understands loneliness. So yeah Sasuke doesn't see him as an equal but as an outsider regarding feelings.

[StriderC]

Agreed, plus that line is from Naruto not Sasuke. During that whole confrontation all Sasuke was focused on was Naruto. He even told Obito off so that he could listen to what Naruto said. And if Sasuke doesn't consider him an equal, why did he suddenly change his mind to use Itachi's eyes?

Exactlyyyyyy! Sasuke acknowledges Naruto, and vice versa. Naruto was one of the people Sasuke WANTED to fight acknowledging him as a worthy opponent. If he didn't, then he would of never wanted to fight him in the first place...

Edited by StriderC, 03 May 2013 - 07:59 PM.