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[Branden]

Oh i understand. But why dd you try to see her as a normal character?

because I had very high epxecations for her as a main character and heroine of the series. I was looking at things from a structural standpoint, not a story driven standpoint.

[Inferno180]

Check out this translation of a Databook regarding Sasuke's goodbye to Sakura in Part 1

The love of Sakura filled the emptiness of loneliness, but Sasuke wasn't able to reciprocate it. The only word he can find to tell her goodbye is "Thank you".

Well, so much for the theories about Sasuke's "secret feelings" for Sakura.

[PhenixElite]

because I had very high epxecations for her as a main character and heroine of the series. I was looking at things from a structural standpoint, not a story driven standpoint.

Ohh, i see her as a heroine, but i have a different view on heroines of a manga than alot of people in here, so for me she has no elements of a sidecharacter. She got alot of development and screentime during the story as well as the major part of her charcater is based on romance. Everyone wants to see her fighting and have some incerdible scenes like naruto. I mean she never really had those special moments in the manga and still shes the favourite character of a lot of people in here.

So i dont understand why alot of people are complaining about her lately. Shes didnt do less than usual in the current chapter.

Edited by PhenixElite, 03 May 2013 - 04:41 PM.

[HauntedCake]

Check out this translation of a Databook regarding Sasuke's goodbye to Sakura in Part 1



Well, so much for the theories about Sasuke's "secret feelings" for Sakura.

Well "Wasn't able" could mean many things. Especially as at that time Itatchi was the only thing that registered in his mind other then Naruto. The secret feelings theory could be plausible if that what it says in the databook

[TouKen4Life3g]

Branden, that was a great post.

One thing to note is that she is the main character as Kishi said so himself. That said she's not being treated the same as Naruto and Sasuke, because her character is rather different from those two. She can fight still, but don't think she has to get all training that Naruto received. She's a mixed of a fighter/supporter in terms of character. Fighter that fights like how Rukia from Bleach would do and support like how Winry from FMA would do. So yeah, I understand what you mean.

Check out this translation of a Databook regarding Sasuke's goodbye to Sakura in Part 1



Well, so much for the theories about Sasuke's "secret feelings" for Sakura.

I was looking for this, thank you. It's no wonder it never returned in DB3 because it's a moment, that's not really anything to move forward. Heck, NS got almost a page, including pictures to describe her moments. We even got her questioned about her feelings with no answer. Sasuke don't even get that. I know it's DB3, it's old, blah blah blah, but you don't hype it or question it if it's not important or part of plot.

[Branden]

Branden you hit the bullseye, this is something many people who hate on Sakura never understand.

Thanks!

Still one of the best aspects of her character was when she was confronted with Naruto and Sasuke being knocked out in the forest of death, she had no skills and no real techniques. When the sound ninja came to attack her, it was an impossible situation in which she almost died but only held out due to reenforcements from Lee, team 10, and later team guy.

That point was when Sakura realized if she was to be a ninja she needs to grow up, the land of waves was a forced situation on her but she was lucky others had the skill to handle it. She had been caught in an impossible situation during the battle, after the events of the chunin exams, seeing how strong Naruto became after defeating neji (the one she used to lecture) she was jealous. Sasuke was always ahead of her too. It was only due to these events along with Naruto's failure with Sasuke that she climaxed in part 1 to become better for her team, not just herself. Basically her line "you may need to wait for me" kinda resonated along others, kinda like how Naruto felt fear in his first fight during the ambush, he resolved after that to never run away again. Sakura encountered this during the forest of death but didn't put forward the effort to train more until after Sasuke ran away.

I just looked back on that arc and the more I analyze it the more I understand what Sakura is going through. She couldn't possibly have prepared for all the events that happened during the chunin exams, she simply didn't have the time. Everything that happened with Team 7 was so rushed, and she never got time to prepare. Given the situation that she was in I think it's safe to say that she did everything she could have done to help her squad. curse the ninja world! It's been so unforgiving and unfair to her.

One thing people commonly miss when bashing on Sakura is never understanding her character. She is normal, she does not have any special latent powers (save for perfect chakra control and a natural resislence towards genjutsu but this could be due to her intellengence). I kinda feel from the road to ninja prolouge that aired recently, now we know a bit more about her daily life, kinda like in the start how she says her parents lecture her a lot. She has dyanmic parents, her mother being stern and strict but her father being goofy and a jokester. Maybe this influenced her tsundere personality? Maybe it was influence by both Meubeki and Tsunade that they both have a personality of strictness but also kindness. But as anyone can tell, Sakura's mother is just the type of mother who though strict just tries to do what she thinks is best and still cares for her. Sakura is also a teenager, teenagers are rebels. If anything Sakura fighting with her mother is just a daily thing but Kizashi is just there to be the middle one of their family to break things up, kinda like with that dumb salt joke. Maybe Sakura herself just acts lazy at times too and her parents just don't want that. Its just due to having parents like this Sakura has a good counterbalance to a background of Naruto and Sasuke. Naruto who never knew his until later on and Sasuke who lost his in his life. Sakura has the parents but learns to empathize with the others who lost them. Its like the transistion from initally thinking Naruto was better off with no parents to learning that the 9 tails was the reason for his lonliness, that she has a good friendship with him. What she could not do for him the past she makes up for by being friends in the present due to their growth as teammates and friends.

I wonder if Kishi already knew what Sakura's parents were like before he created the manga. If he did then it's safe to say that Sakura's personality could have been influenced by her parents. But, if Kishi made them years after, then it probably means Sakura gained her personality from being friends with Ino.

[PhenixElite]

Well "Wasn't able" could mean many things. Especially as at that time Itatchi was the only thing that registered in his mind other then Naruto. The secret feelings theory could be plausible if that what it says in the databook

The secret feeling theory doesnt work without more than an asspull. It makes no sense storytelling wise to show no feelings or hints of hidden feelings throughout the whole story but suddenly in the end they are there. It has no point to show something like that. Unless you cant tell me a reason for kishi to do so, i wont even think about it anymore.

[StriderC]

Ohh, i see her as a heroine, but i have a different view on heroines of a manga than alot of people in here, so for me she has no elements of a sidecharacter. She got alot of development and screentime during the story as well as the major part of her charcater is based on romance. Everyone wants to see her fighting and have some incerdible scenes like naruto. I mean she never really had those special moments in the manga and still shes the favourite character of a lot of people in here.

So i dont understand why alot of people are complaining about her lately. Shes didnt do less than usual in the current chapter.

Well she certainly did less than usual in an entire arc... Hell, what's "usual" when it comes to Sakura anyway to you? I'm curious to know. Also, she's had an incredible fight so it's not UNEXPECTED to see her shine again given SHE ALREADY HAS. Kishi just hadn't had her do so for whatever reason. To say she isn't a fighter is ridiculous when she's done her fair share of it. She's not just a medical nin. She's taken down her enemies with ease. A summon jutsu with one hit, and a Zetsu with little to no effort.

Sure, she's a heroine, but Kishi is wishy washy when it comes to writing her IMO. I love her CHARACTER. Hell yeah I do, but I definitely want better for her.

[redragon88]

Well "Wasn't able" could mean many things. Especially as at that time Itatchi was the only thing that registered in his mind other then Naruto. The secret feelings theory could be plausible if that what it says in the databook

You're putting way too much thought into it. The Databook is not a Da Vinci Code.

Sasuke wasn't able to reciprocate because he just doesn't feel that way for her. Sasuke could've said "I love you too" and left just the same, but since he didn't have feelings for her at least he wanted to express his gratitude for her caring about him with his "thank you".

[Branden]

Ohh, i see her as a heroine, but i have a different view on heroines of a manga than alot of people in here, so for me she has no elements of a sidecharacter. She got alot of development and screentime during the story as well as the major part of her charcater is based on romance. Everyone wants to see her fighting and have some incerdible scenes like naruto. I mean she never really had those special moments in the manga and still shes the favourite character of a lot of people in here.

So i dont understand why alot of people are complaining about her lately. Shes didnt do less than usual in the current chapter.

well I guess what I really wanted was a second hero.

as it stands right now Team 7 can be broken down into 4 different roles.

Hero: Naruto
Rival: Sasuke
Heroine: Sakura
Sensei: Kakashi

There's probably a better term for Kakashi but I can't think of one right now.

EDIT:

You're putting way too much thought into it. The Databook is not a Da Vinci Code.

NONBELIEVER!

Edited by Branden, 03 May 2013 - 04:54 PM.

[StriderC]

You're putting way too much thought into it. The Databook is not a Da Vinci Code.

Sasuke wasn't able to reciprocate because he just doesn't feel that way for her. Sasuke could've said "I love you too" and left just the same, but since he didn't have feelings for her at least he wanted to express his gratitude for her caring about him with his "thank you".

I feel like at that time, he appreciated the lengths she was willing to go for him, but no, I don't think he secretly meant, I love you or anything along those lines with a thank you, but that's just me!

[TouKen4Life3g]

The secret feeling theory doesnt work without more than an asspull. It makes no sense storytelling wise to show no feelings or hints of hidden feelings throughout the whole story but suddenly in the end they are there. It has no point to show something like that. Unless you cant tell me a reason for kishi to do so, i wont even think about it anymore.

There's nothing for him. You're (not you, hauntedcake) giving Sasuke a pedestal. Honestly, you say that he is a good guy, but why can't his attitude remains the same like Slam Dunk? I know you're worried and people often rush to conclusion of asspull without looking the big picture, but you can't be this guaranteed for SS. Right now. SS is all you're giving to. I don't mean to intrude, but I would like to help to give you a big picture. First of all, that was the last communication and it was there because there's a picture to describe that moment, so yeah, need to address that. The next DB, no more mentioning him about secret, only about his connection with Naruto and Itachi. Sakura is the one that's being questioned about Naruto. There are people that takes DB very serious, so they have the courtesy to make NS a true deal. It's written in the manga, so DB only made it as a summary. Even her relationship chart is being questioned because "worried..." does lead to romance. I mean why not say friend, teammate, or anything. Worried is half way there. Not to mention, Sasuke is not questioned about his love, only Sakura with Naruto. This is obviously Kishi's plan.

The main problem is the journey is blinding us with too much anticipation of the romance side. I remember how many got disappointed that Sasuke immediately tried to kill Sakura. In other words, he's "good" if I have to agree with others, what makes you that they will communicate? We all thought Sasuke would encounter Konoha team back in Search for Itachi arc, but no, only Naruto. Shipping goggles needs a rest and wait when it's over.

[PhenixElite]

Well she certainly did less than usual in an entire arc... Hell, what's "usual" when it comes to Sakura anyway to you? I'm curious to know. Also, she's had an incredible fight so it's not UNEXPECTED to see her shine again given SHE ALREADY HAS. Kishi just hadn't had her do so for whatever reason. To say she isn't a fighter is ridiculous when she's done her fair share of it. She's not just a medical nin. She's taken down her enemies with ease. A summon jutsu with one hit, and a Zetsu with little to no effort.

Sure, she's a heroine, but Kishi is wishy washy when it comes to writing her IMO. I love her CHARACTER. Hell yeah I do, but I definitely want better for her.

Again this discussion eh?
Sure she did less than usual in the war arc, since kishi wanted to focus on the size of the naruto world and also give sidecharacters there developments and shining moments. The latest chapter showed sakura like she was shown in alot of other chapters before the war arc, hence worrying about naruto and stuff like that.

You guys see her as a fighting character, but the only REAL fight she had was against sasori , but chiyo helped her more than a lot there. There hasnt been any special one for her, all she got were some small panels of her beating ONE zetsu and ONE summoning creature of pain, but i dont see something like that as a real fight.

I mean just look back, if there was a battle, all all she did was standing at the side supporting naruto and sasuke, nothing more. But thats ok, she was never really shown as a character like naruto or sasuke. Shes the heroine, but shes not the fighter, shes the supporter. Kishi didnt make her a healer for nothing.

NaruSaku4Life3g: Are you talking to me in your last post`?

Edited by PhenixElite, 03 May 2013 - 05:07 PM.

[redragon88]

I feel like at that time, he appreciated the lengths she was willing to go for him, but no, I don't think he secretly meant, I love you or anything along those lines with a thank you, but that's just me!

Trust me, it's not just you. Anyone that can take a step back and stop overly focusing on shipping can notice it.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The secret feeling theory doesnt work without more than an asspull. It makes no sense storytelling wise to show no feelings or hints of hidden feelings throughout the whole story but suddenly in the end they are there. It has no point to show something like that. Unless you cant tell me a reason for kishi to do so, i wont even think about it anymore.

If he had secret feelings for Sakura he would not be able to try to kill Sakura like that, Sasuke left Naruto alive because he cares about him even not accepting those emotions, he even got bothered when his chakra was resonanting all over the place.

[StriderC]

Again this discussion eh?
Sure she did less than usual in the war arc, since kishi wanted to focus on the size of the naruto world and also give sidecharacters there developments and shining moments. The latest chapter showed sakura like she was shown in alot of other chapters before the war arc, hence worrying about naruto and stuff like that.

You guys see her as a fighting character, but the only REAL fight she had was against sasori , but chiyo helped her more than a lot there. There hasnt been any special one for her, all she got were some small panels of her beating ONE zetsu and ONE summoning creature of pain, but i dont see something like that as a real fight.

I mean just look back, if there was a battle, all all she did was standing at the side supporting naruto and sasuke, nothing more. But thats ok, she was never really shown as a character like naruto or sasuke. Shes the heroine, but shes not the fighter, shes the supporter. Kishi didnt make her a healer for nothing.

LOL I'm gonna cut it short though. I just wanted to voice my opinion on the matter but it's obvious we're gonna remain at a crosswords so, agree to disagree.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You're putting way too much thought into it. The Databook is not a Da Vinci Code.

Sasuke wasn't able to reciprocate because he just doesn't feel that way for her. Sasuke could've said "I love you too" and left just the same, but since he didn't have feelings for her at least he wanted to express his gratitude for her caring about him with his "thank you".

Lol Da Vinci Code, but you're right.

Trust me, it's not just you. Anyone that can take a step back and stop overly focusing on shipping can notice it.

I noticed it. If it was the fan translation, maybe I will think more, but this one pretty much put it in a nutshell with that last event since that line came from that picture.

@PhenixElite: I wasn't talking to you, though I quoted you to back it up.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 03 May 2013 - 05:10 PM.

[PhenixElite]

I think its funny how everyone starts worrying the hell out over SS, just because sasuke turned good now. 1 Month NH was the problem and SS was not even worth disussing about.
I mean we all knwe that he would turn good someday. So whats so surpising now? It has nothing to do with SS becoming more possibilities.



@StrideC: Agreed
@NaruSaku4Life3g: Thought so

Edited by PhenixElite, 03 May 2013 - 05:13 PM.

[Dkey]

And yet do you think her development will continue until the epilogue or she will have her moment before only for the focus to go back to Naruto and Sasuke and then the epilogue happens?

[StriderC]

Again this discussion eh?
Sure she did less than usual in the war arc, since kishi wanted to focus on the size of the naruto world and also give sidecharacters there developments and shining moments. The latest chapter showed sakura like she was shown in alot of other chapters before the war arc, hence worrying about naruto and stuff like that.

You guys see her as a fighting character, but the only REAL fight she had was against sasori , but chiyo helped her more than a lot there. There hasnt been any special one for her, all she got were some small panels of her beating ONE zetsu and ONE summoning creature of pain, but i dont see something like that as a real fight.

I mean just look back, if there was a battle, all all she did was standing at the side supporting naruto and sasuke, nothing more. But thats ok, she was never really shown as a character like naruto or sasuke. Shes the heroine, but shes not the fighter, shes the supporter. Kishi didnt make her a healer for nothing.

NaruSaku4Life3g: Are you talking to me in your last post`?

Let me add a couple of things though. Dammit, I couldn't resist.

1. In the fight versus Sasori, while Chiyo helped her more than a lot, guess what Sakura did? The same thing. If it weren't for her strength, the obstacles they had encountered wouldn't have been as easy. SHE took out the first puppet Hiroku or whatever the hell it's name was. SHE took down the Kazekage puppet, and SHE was the reason Chiyo was even able to use her ten puppet jutsu given SHE'S the reason the iron sand had lost it's effect, so yeah. Oh, and let's not forget she saved Chiyo's life as well. So while Sakura may be a healer to you, she's way more than that to me and she's proven that she is.

Also, let's not forget what her desires were in Part 1. Also, I could easily say that Kishi didn't give her taijutsu skills and super strength for nothing. Note, in the databooks, her taijutsu skills definitely increased as well her other skills, and support types are still people would could possibly assist in battle. If she weren't capable of fighting on her own, she'd be one of the dead shinobi in the tents but she wasn't.

LOL I respect your opinion, but I just don't agree with ya.

Red

Agreed Dragon! I think some clung to that scene because of hope pretty much.