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#18701 Bryon_Konoha_Ninja

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Posted 16 December 2014 - 04:06 PM

Falling in love doesn't need a reason.

 

Staying in love does.

 

Hinata and Naruto have done nothing to warrant the type of romantic shift seen in the movie.

 

Naruto and Sakura have both shown that they are falling in love, have fallen in love, and have multiple reasons why they would stay in love.

 

Yeah, plus you can tell Sakura isn't really too jealous in regards to Naruto, yet she does have moments of sadness with him out of fear for him and his safety, like when she saw Hinata loves Naruto and how sad she was. Not to mention I like to think that in the epilogue, Naruto's realized that his marriage with Hinata is now fruitless all those years after they got hitched and it explains perhaps why he is shown being so busy at work; he just realized what he's lost, and he's throwing himself into work out of regret. Once again, it just shows Naruto is just like his sensei and repeating the same mistakes that will lead to the same results.



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Posted 16 December 2014 - 06:11 PM

That whole Genjutsu thing really makes me believe Kishimoto was telling the truth when he said NaruHina happened out of pity... cause Naruto just pitied her because of her devotion to him in all of two points in time mixed in with fake s*** that destroys the manga's canon


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Posted 16 December 2014 - 06:25 PM

Falling in love doesn't need a reason.
 
Staying in love does.
 
Hinata and Naruto have done nothing to warrant the type of romantic shift seen in the movie.
 
Naruto and Sakura have both shown that they are falling in love, have fallen in love, and have multiple reasons why they would stay in love.


I think the one thing that kept Naruto from falling in love with Hinata was that he was already interested in Sakura. Sakura already had problems of her own with Sasuke so I think Naruto was reluctant to complicate the mess even further and ruin his chances with Sakura. Because I think that if she ever believed he loved Hinata she would've dropped him in an instant. Just look at her reaction during the Pain fight and that was only Hinata --> Naruto.

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Posted 16 December 2014 - 08:08 PM

I'll admit...we were never given a clear reason why Naruto liked Sakura besides her wanting to be acknowledged like him. I believe he was just genuinely attracted to her which isn't a bad thing considering that's what he lacks with Hinata. She's stuck with him a long time and is a good friend so those are probably his other reasons for liking her.
Sakura of course appreciated how Naruto always supported her and also thought he was cute after the timeskip so that would explain why she may have liked him.
The attraction was there. I dislike NH/SS fans when they try to write it off as "brother and sister" stuff. It wasn't.

Nor will we see ever,remember that they want to destroy Sakura as heroine SJ will address less and less about the relationship of naruto and sakura



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Posted 16 December 2014 - 08:13 PM

2 New scene these ones are translated

 

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Oh my god this movie is so ridiculous...


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Posted 16 December 2014 - 08:17 PM

I'll admit...we were never given a clear reason why Naruto liked Sakura besides her wanting to be acknowledged like him. I believe he was just genuinely attracted to her which isn't a bad thing considering that's what he lacks with Hinata. She's stuck with him a long time and is a good friend so those are probably his other reasons for liking her.
Sakura of course appreciated how Naruto always supported her and also thought he was cute after the timeskip so that would explain why she may have liked him.
The attraction was there. I dislike NH/SS fans when they try to write it off as "brother and sister" stuff. It wasn't.

That's exactly why I would love to see how Naruto met and started taking an interest in Sakura, but this will never happen. Instead we found out how Naruto met Hinata -.-


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Posted 16 December 2014 - 08:40 PM

I really regret I lost my time reading that manga... but still... I love Naruto. The real Naruto. He's so bright...


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Posted 16 December 2014 - 08:42 PM

That's exactly why I would love to see how Naruto met and started taking an interest in Sakura, but this will never happen. Instead we found out how Naruto met Hinata -.-


Exactly! When did Naruto start liking Sakura? When they first met in class? The only love who was ever explained was Hinata's. Not even Sakura got a clear cut reason of what made her start liking Sasuke besides him being "hot". Kikitten shouldn't have ended it with pairings if he couldn't write romance. It was all for fanservice and having spawns for the spin-off.

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Posted 16 December 2014 - 08:43 PM

2 New scene these ones are translated

 

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Wow, Hinata seems like a totally different character in that second clip. :confused:  I guess she's not been spared from the occ-ness of this movie either.



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Posted 16 December 2014 - 08:45 PM

Exactly! When did Naruto start liking Sakura? When they first met in class? The only love who was ever explained was Hinata's. Not even Sakura got a clear cut reason of what made her start liking Sasuke besides him being "hot". Kikitten shouldn't have ended it with pairings if he couldn't write romance. It was all for fanservice and having spawns for the spin-off.

Leave it to LadyGT. She said she will finish that one doujinshi in which Naruto fell in love with Sakura ;)


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Posted 16 December 2014 - 09:16 PM

Exactly! When did Naruto start liking Sakura? When they first met in class? The only love who was ever explained was Hinata's. Not even Sakura got a clear cut reason of what made her start liking Sasuke besides him being "hot". Kikitten shouldn't have ended it with pairings if he couldn't write romance. It was all for fanservice and having spawns for the spin-off.

 

I know I want to figure it out myself for my fanfic, since NaruSaku is gonna be one of the end couples since it also does justice to Naruto AND Sakura.

 

 

Leave it to LadyGT. She said she will finish that one doujinshi in which Naruto fell in love with Sakura ;)

 

I'll be glad to see her do this :)



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 01:23 PM

 

Yeah, plus you can tell Sakura isn't really too jealous in regards to Naruto, yet she does have moments of sadness with him out of fear for him and his safety, like when she saw Hinata loves Naruto and how sad she was. Not to mention I like to think that in the epilogue, Naruto's realized that his marriage with Hinata is now fruitless all those years after they got hitched and it explains perhaps why he is shown being so busy at work; he just realized what he's lost, and he's throwing himself into work out of regret. Once again, it just shows Naruto is just like his sensei and repeating the same mistakes that will lead to the same results.

 

He regret's it but he still "knocked her up"? :zaru:


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 02:06 PM

Exactly! When did Naruto start liking Sakura? When they first met in class? The only love who was ever explained was Hinata's. Not even Sakura got a clear cut reason of what made her start liking Sasuke besides him being "hot". Kikitten shouldn't have ended it with pairings if he couldn't write romance. It was all for fanservice and having spawns for the spin-off.

I agree. When was naruto fall in love with sakura?
I really want to know. What make her special compare to ino.

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 02:19 PM

Falling in love doesn't need a reason.

 

Staying in love does.

 

Hinata and Naruto have done nothing to warrant the type of romantic shift seen in the movie.

 

Naruto and Sakura have both shown that they are falling in love, have fallen in love, and have multiple reasons why they would stay in love.

 

 

Yeah but...it doesn't matter.

 

Is Kishi after all... :P


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 04:25 PM

 

He regret's it but he still "knocked her up"? :zaru:

 

Dude, that kinda thing can happen X-D :rofl:



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 05:37 PM

At the beginning, the story was about an ostracized boy, working hard to gain recognition.

 

In the second part, the boy became a chosen one destined to end the cycle of hatred.

 

At the end, the boy becomes a jealous prick who's major goal seems to get with a girl he never really paid much attention to until now.

 

Kishimoto, stick to one thing and keep it!



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 05:56 PM

What angers me the most is Kishi's excuse that Hinata was the first person to understand Naruto. Seriously ? I'm supposed to accept such bs from the guy who wrote the story..?! 

 

What exactly did Hinata understand about Naruto other than his pain of loneliness and his nindo ? Maybe, just maybe Hinata was able to understand Naruto better initially simply because she was suffering from the same kind of pain.. ?

 

'' Sakura only understood Naruto by the middle of the story '' - Yes Kishi, Sakura was a 10 year old girl who had a very normal childhood. She did not understand Naruto initially because unlike Hinata , she did not experience loneliness. How can you expect a 10 year old child to understand others when even mature adults are sometimes incapable of that ?   :roll:

 

As far as I'm concerned, I see no fault in Sakura. She was simply acting her age. Its beyond ridiculous to compare Hinata and Sakura then ! Hinata only understood Naruto because she had the same problems as Naruto. This led her to observe Naruto more closely and she found out about his nindo.

 

Sakura had no reason to do the same. To Sakura, Naruto was this obnoxious prankster who always got into trouble. Only when she was put into the same team as Naruto did she understand that there is more to Naruto than a troublesome brat. How exactly does figuring out Naruto a little later make Sakura any less worthy..? 

 

What happened after that ? Hinata's 'understanding' of Naruto never went beyond his nindo while Sakura understood his dreams, she understood his abilities, his pain of being a Jinchuriki, the importance of his bonds with Sasuke, Jiraiya etc. Its safe to say there is no one who understands Naruto as much as Sakura.

 

The epitome of their difference in understanding can be seen when Hinata and Sakura are thinking about Naruto in the War arc. Hinata was all 'me, I want your hand, I want to walk together with you, me ' while Sakura was ' Us, your dream is in front of our eyes, no matter what you say we'll do everything together'. 

 

If Hinata was indeed supposed to be that special person to Naruto, why is it that she never ever was shown to even care about his dream about becoming Hokage ? Why is it that Sakura ended up being the only person who, from the beginning till the end, showed an unwavering and selfless devotion to Naruto's life-defining dream ?

 

Kishi can do all the mental gymnastics he wants in the interviews to try and convince everyone that Hinata was always the one. What he cannot do is erase from our minds the 698 chapters of his manga. And its there for all to see that the person who always understood and stood by Naruto's side is Sakura. 


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 06:43 PM

@ns.Believe.it

Looking at your sig still makes sad, because it's the truth.  No matter how happy they try to show Naruto from now on.  We all know it's forced and unnatural, and not true happiness.



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 06:54 PM

@ns.Believe.it

Looking at your sig still makes sad, because it's the truth.  No matter how happy they try to show Naruto from now on.  We all know it's forced and unnatural, and not true happiness.

Its so so disappointing. Kishimoto pretty much sucked the soul out of Naruto and also stabbed Sakura. Following this manga was like watching a movie with a depressing ending, it was train-wreck ! 


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 07:21 PM

Its so so disappointing. Kishimoto pretty much sucked the soul out of Naruto and also stabbed Sakura. Following this manga was like watching a movie with a depressing ending, it was train-wreck ! 

 

He made a movie to back up NH and SS pretty much shows how much ''Development'' both pairings got Kishi knew this was a stupid way but meh fans are fans right? more fans = more $ thats the way this world works i guees...


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