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[KnS]

Well it's nothing about me but i'll left my thoughts.
kishimoto used the term "love" for Sakura to Sasuke when it's based on infatuation but with Hinata he labelled it as "infatuation".

That's actually very interesting. Thanks for adding that.

We could say that the difference is physical attraction but thats ones personal opinion.

That's why I made a point of saying it was my opinion, and my take on the terms. I said it was subjective, and we each had to speak for ourselves.

In the ask.com post I linked before someone gave a very good example of "in love" meaning to be able to "fall out of love" as oposed to loves being long term.

That person's example is only their subjective opinion too. Not right or wrong, just one you happen to like.

But this case here is strictly a matter of grammar and vocabulary. Not biology. So its best to look it up in the dictionary and be done with it.

Well, obviously I don't agree. I prefer to believe that the term "in love" exists for a reason, and that it describes the transformation of one form of love into romantic love. The word "love" can mean that as well, of course, but it doesn't always and you have to understand the context and history of the relationship to know what kind of love it is. "In love" tells you what kind of love it is immediately.

Just my opinion. ;)

[Slextrem]

I would like to ask you what would you categorize sakuras love? to me for now its ether love or ambiguous.

I'm no psychologist, so my opinion is going to mean zilch. LOL. With that said, and based on Sternberg's theory, this is my take on Sakura's feelings:

It's hard to say because both sides of Sakura's love have complications. With Sasuke, her love was not reciprocated, and with Naruto, she's still unsure.

I believe her love for Sasuke started off as infatuation, as KnS stated. Infatuation occurs when the only component of love present is passion. It's all about physical attraction, and therefore, is a very short-term type of love. However, I feel that it has since evolved into a different type of love. Perhaps a mix of liking, which occurs when the main component is intimacy, (or feelings of closeness that one has for another person), and empty love, which occurs when the main component is commitment. Sakura is still committed to her feelings for Sasuke, but I'm not sure if there is romantic or consumate love present at this time. The fact that Sasuke hasn't reciprocated her feelings is what makes it all really hard to categorize, as I feel this theory is based on mutual relationships.

What she feels for Naruto is what Sternberg's theory categorizes as "liking", where the main component is intimacy, (or feelings of closeness that one has for another person or the sense of having close emotional ties to another.) Liking is the first step of every relationship, but it doesn't always lead to a romantic relationship. Sakura, right now, is confused about her feelings. We're all hoping that she can take another step in developing either romantic or consumate love for Naruto, but we have to wait and see.

[Inferno180]

Love like many other words can have several definitions, perceptions, meanings, and contexts.

Simple to say though that NS has the best elements.

[Tokura Misaki]

For NH haters, time to rate the new NH FC 1 star.

[Branden]

For NH haters, time to rate the new NH FC 1 star.

try to be nice please

[Derock]

For NH haters, time to rate the new NH FC 1 star.

Let's not. Unless you want to be in trouble, lay off the bashing and the disrespectfulness towards the rival pairings.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So, let's see...

Regardless that you already acknowledged that Sakura is a tsundere character, do you wish that she wasn't? Why?

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 03 May 2013 - 03:18 AM.

[Inferno180]

So, let's see...

Regardless that you already acknowledged that Sakura is a tsundere character, do you wish that she wasn't? Why?

Technically in her development, she is a tsunadere and doing it actually in the good way they all develop, basically all out mean to Naruto and ingnoring him at first, hardly nice. But this shifts more and more towards the nice side as she develops, going from the forest of death, her fight with ino, getting saved from Gaara, the promise. Its obvious Sakura shifted away from the mean side to the nice side. However as a tsundere she acts harsh on him but its for the sake of comedy (and also to keep naruto in line) the deal in shippuden is, she becomes more open as towards him as the series progresses further. Sakura was nice with Naruto but just normal friends, after the first few shippuden events she becomes very close friends with him. Sakura in the later segments shows more openness and emotion towards Naruto rather than just simple friendship, events kinda like the offer to feed him or hugging him, those are when she acts open with honest feelings towards him. The 4 tails was one too but that was on her part to see the curse Naruto had of being the 9 tails jinchurki and naruto was out cold from this, he never had any idea Sakura cried for him.

Despite her character, Sakura is a good developed tsundere who has shifted in the right way like a few others in the course of her general development, hating a person in the start and becoming very close to the one they once hated. 13 years ago in the story she was focused only on Sasuke, now she is fully supportive and concerned and has faith in Naruto.

Edited by Inferno180, 03 May 2013 - 03:46 AM.

[rikakim94]

I have a pretty sad topic to talk about to but do you wish that sakuras character was owned by a better writer? why or why not?

Lately i,v been getting into a sakuras character depression as of now i don't know if i can handle her character if kishi desides to overdue her romantic feelings into something more complicated and unnessary drama. My worry is if kishi does a wrong move with her character again she might get hate thats so bad even much worse then it already is. That its gonna cause me to leave the fandom forever I don't if i can take this anymore.

Edited by rikakim94, 03 May 2013 - 03:56 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I have a pretty sad topic to talk about to but do you wish that sakuras character was owned by a better writer? why or why not?

Lately i,v been getting into a sakuras character depression as of now i don't know if i can handle her character if kishi desides to overdue her romantic feelings into something more complicated and unnessary drama. My worry is if kishi does a wrong move with her character again she might get hate thats so bad even much worse then it already is. That its gonna cause me to leave the fandom forever I don't if i can take this anymore.

Maybe in terms of actions, I would say maybe yeah, but I'm just going to wait on the end. As for character herself, to be honest, I'm ok with it. Agree to disagree, so I won't argue. Honestly, Slextrem said it best in the podcast and I should try to find it and hear it over again. Mentally and realistically, she was done really well. As of now, it's hard to say because it's like doing so many things right, but if the end doesn't complete her or take her the wrong way, then it was a waste. The end does matter in this case. So she can be one of the best or one of the worst. Huge gamble. As of now, I say she's done nicely. Do I wish for more action? Yeah, but I would come back to this and answer it in a full thought-out writing. Maybe one day I will explain it.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 03 May 2013 - 04:05 AM.

[Atheck]

I have a pretty sad topic to talk about to but do you wish that sakuras character was owned by a better writer? why or why not?

Lately i,v been getting into a sakuras character depression as of now i don't know if i can handle her character if kishi desides to overdue her romantic feelings into something more complicated and unnessary drama. My worry is if kishi does wrong move with her character again she might get hate thats so bad even much worse then it already is. That its gonna cause me to leave the fandom forever I don't if i can take this anymore.

I wish that Kishi had selected to do more with her character apart from confining it to the bloody entanglement that is pairing wars. She should have played a more significant role in the general story, not just as Tsunade's apprentice but as an individual proving her worth and making a name for herself like Naruto did after fighting Pain.

I agree with what you're saying There really needs to be some additional focus placed on Sakura in the upcoming chapters to ameliorate some of the damage that recent events have caused to her. At this point it's impossible to reverse all of the neglect that Kishi has made her suffer from but if nothing else this can be perceived as a consolation for some long overdue screentime.

[KnS]

Ciccarelli, S. K. (2012). Psychology An Exploration. Boston: Pearson Learning Solutions.

Love is much more than a definition, my friend. Much, much more. KnS made a very good post.

I sincerely thank you from the bottom of my unfinished neuroscience degree. You backed up my scribbled thoughts with, you know, really cool science and stuff. Thanks for taking the time to do that.

I have a pretty sad topic to talk about to but do you wish that sakuras character was owned by a better writer? why or why not?

Honestly, no. The way I see it, that would be like me wishing I'd had different parents. But if I'd had different parents, I wouldn't be here to complain about the parents I have.

It's the same with Kishimoto and Sakura. Sakura is his character. She came from his mind and imagination, and all the things we love about her are because of the way he has written her. The two can't be separated. If Kishimoto hadn't created her, she wouldn't be here for us to wish he was writing her differently or "better." Having anyone besides the original author take over always feels like fan fiction to me.

I'm not sure if I'll be satisfied with Sakura's overall role in the story, but it's too soon to tell. I have to wait until Kishimoto is finished to form an opinion. Even if I end up not liking what he does, I'll always defend his right to do what he wanted with his own characters.

Edited by KnS, 03 May 2013 - 05:01 AM.

[Dkey]

ok but one question. How does sympathy like the scenes when Sakura decided to be nicer to Naruto after Sasuke called her annoying or after Naruto decided to make the POAL after Sakura asked her to bring back Sasuke.

Does sympathy belong to the idea of love?

[StrikerTheNoble]

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It's not "strictly a matter of grammar and vocabulary", because love can have more than one definition, and there is more than just one kind of love out there. Biology most definitely ties into feelings of love, (i.e. the whole physical attraction), as well as psychology.

Here is what my Psychology text book, (a much more reliable source than "ask.com"), says about love:

"Dictionary definitions of love refer to a strong affection for another person due to kinship, personal ties, sexual attraction, admiration, or common interests. But those aren't all the same kind of relationships. I love my family and I love my friends, but in different ways.

Psychologists generally agree that there are different kinds of love. One psychologist, Robert Sternberg, outlined a theory of what he determined were the three main components of love and the different types of love that combinations of these three components can produce.

The Three Components of Love
According to Sternberg, love consists of three basic components: intimacy, passion, and commitment.

Intimacy, in Sternberg's view, refers to the feelings of closeness that one has for another person or the sense of having close emotional ties to another. Intimacy in this sense is not physical but psychological. Friends have an intimate relationship because they disclose things to each other that most people might not know, they feel strong emotional ties to each other, and they enjoy the presence of the other person.

Passion is the physical aspect of love. Passion refers to the emotional and sexual arousal a person feels toward the other person. Passion is not simply sex; holding hands, loving looks, and hugs can all be forms of passion.

Commitment involves the decisions one makes about a relationship. A short-term decision might be, "I think I'm in love." An example of a more long-term decision is, "I want to be with this person for the rest of my life."

The Love Triangles

A love relationship between two people can involve one, two, or all three of these components in various combinations. The combinations can produce seven different forms of love.

Two of the more familiar and more heavily researched forms of love from Sternberg's theory are romantic love and companionate love. When intimacy and passion are combined, the result is the more familiar romantic love, which is sometimes called passionate love by other researchers. Romantic love is often the basis for a more lasting relationship. In many Western cultures, the ideal relationship begins with liking, then becomes romantic love as passion is added to the mix, and finally becomes a more enduring form of love as a commitment is made.

When intimacy and commitment are the main components of a relationship, it is called companionate love. In companionate love, people who like each other, feel emotionally close to each other, and understand one another's motives have made a commitment to live together, usually in a marriage relationship. Companionate love is often the binding tie that holds a marriage together through the years of parenting, paying bills, and lessening physical passion. In many non-Western cultures, companionate love is seen as more sensible. Choices for a mate on the basis of compatibility are often made by parents or matchmakers rather than the couple.

Finally, when all three components of love are present, the couple has achieved consumate love, the ideal form of love that many people see as the ultimate goal. This is also the kind of love that may evolve into companionate love when the passion lessens during the middle years of a relationship's commitment.

The other four kinds of love are liking, infatuation, fatuous love, and empty love." (Ciccarelli, 2012)

Reference
Ciccarelli, S. K. (2012). Psychology An Exploration. Boston: Pearson Learning Solutions.

Love is much more than a definition, my friend. Much, much more. KnS made a very good post.

I will agree to disagree. I like facts and thats what just who I am.

My last thaughts on the topic:

Yes its not all about grammar. Love itself is a concept which means you can look at it from biological, psychological, social, philosophical etc. perspective. While you can do that every field will have a different way of defining it. But what they all have in common is the term itself which is defined in the dictionary. So its my personal conviction that when being asked How does this term compare to this one you should look it up for the most acurate conparison. You are of course free to disagree. Yes KnS made a good post but I simply provided a more objective claim.

[HauntedCake]

ok but one question. How does sympathy like the scenes when Sakura decided to be nicer to Naruto after Sasuke called her annoying or after Naruto decided to make the POAL after Sakura asked her to bring back Sasuke.

Does sympathy belong to the idea of love?

Bolded: that's the thing, i feel NS relationship was built on a foundation of guilt and sympathy from sakura towards Naruto. which is not a good thing at all

[T XD]

Bolded: that's the thing, i feel NS relationship was built on a foundation of guilt and sympathy from sakura towards Naruto. which is not a good thing at all

If this was the case then we wouldn't have seen Sakura showing feelings for him from expressions to try to protect him and saving him. Guilt and sympathy are things you do in terms of help, and not something beyond that.

NS is built on a long relationship, from understanding to fondness, that is being unfold slowly.

[Dkey]

Maybe it isnt simpathy but solidarity. arghhh Cant find a word for it. There actions towards eachother are mostly based by the fact that they share some feelings.

[Gravenimage]

If this was the case then we wouldn't have seen Sakura showing feelings for him from expressions to try to protect him and saving him. Guilt and sympathy are things you do in terms of help, and not something beyond that.

NS is built on a long relationship, from understanding to fondness, that is being unfold slowly.

This^.

[HauntedCake]

What i'm saying is their entire relationship started via guilt/sympathy when sakura said she would be nicer to Naruto. IMO i would rather not know that person if i found out he/she became friends with be only because of guilt/pity it's a horrible reason for starting a friendship

[StrikerTheNoble]

What i'm saying is their entire relationship started via guilt/sympathy when sakura said she would be nicer to Naruto. IMO i would rather not know that person if i found out he/she became friends with be only because of guilt/pity it's a horrible reason for starting a friendship

Actually their friendship started on her decision to not be a b*tch anymore. She wasnt going all out for him she just stopped treating him like the lowest scum on the earth.