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#18681 Dkey

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:29 PM

Well she didn't initially realize that Naruto did love her until Sai told her in the tent and it does make sense. She was hurt because of Sasuke departure and unknowingly also hurt Naruto with her request. Now here comes maybe Naruto's greatest character flaw; the fact that he would do anything just so he won't lose a bond no matter what kind of bond it is. Now this character flaw wasn't always a bad thing and probably would find a way to twist it around.
Heck the 615 convinced him that if he dedicates all his power to defend his friends than they will prevail against the ten tails but things aren't really going according to plan.

Naruto knew one failure, that of not managing to bring Sasuke back to the village, maybe two if we count Neji's death and both changed him to be better but judging by the fact that he was already tired from protecting everyone and the ten tails unleashed it's destructive power Naruto will surely be exhausted by the attack.


Until now we had Sakura hurting Naruto but I wonder if the tables will turn now?



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:28 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Feb 12 2013, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bwuahahah, finally asked my friend aaaand this is what Kishi says:

ナルトは近いが、サクラやはりサスケが好き的な発言。後あんまりナルト対していい言葉は使わなかったような驕っている…だっけ思い出せない。

Sakura feels close to Naruto, but she says she loves Sasuke after all. After that she doesn't really have any kind words for Naruto, I think... I can't remember.


That sound kind of negative for NS tbh OVERALL

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ May 2 2013, 05:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That reminded me, snow environment is known to be romantic, whether it is a hit or miss. Miss means something you two can get together but something needs to be done. Hit is well, you did it. Lol. Actually, didn't Lee in SD even vision himself with Sakura in a snow environment and she's all romantic and all? It was in episode 2 or 3. I don't remember. Point is snow environment is often considered romantic, and Kishi will go his way to make the atmosphere as romantic as it can get.


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QUOTE (KnS @ May 2 2013, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I said she loves Naruto, not that she's IN LOVE with Naruto. And yes, she does love Naruto.
As true as this might be, it has no relevance to what I said about the confession in terms of how it affects Naruto and Sakura's relationship dynamic going forward.


Whats the difference???

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ May 2 2013, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He picked the negative ones to justify her actions on part 2, this is where part 1 served as development it's more a justificative, how she became so much close to Naruto and the answer is that she did a lot of bad stuff to him, also the promise and etc and she felt the need ot help him and make Naruto share his burdens with her.
Also the promise was indeed negative to her character because like the confession it was selfish too, she didnt asked Naruto because she cared about Sasuke as a teammate she just wanted Sasuke back because she loved him.
And Naruto got the message to a point that he said "You really loves Sasuke", and plus he says that he was feelings the same way "heartbroken" like her and then she understood when he wanted to say with that quote.


I have to agree here Sakura asked for sasuke back because of her love for him. She didnt ask for him back for anyone else but herself....ergo selfish love

Edited by HauntedCake, 02 May 2013 - 08:29 PM.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ May 2 2013, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That sound kind of negative for NS tbh OVERALL



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Whats the difference???



I have to agree here Sakura asked for sasuke back because of her love for him. She didnt ask for him back for anyone else but herself....ergo selfish love


Aparently people believe there is a difference.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:44 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ May 2 2013, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have to agree here Sakura asked for sasuke back because of her love for him. She didnt ask for him back for anyone else but herself....ergo selfish love

Then what was the purpose of her going to Naruto first? Sai told us. He said that she cared about his feelings so much, that she was willing to have him hate her forever if it meant he would be safe. She was doing it to stop Sasuke from falling deeper into darkness, and also to take away Naruto's heavy burden.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:55 PM

Well, it's more of neutral zone because Naruto is closer to Sakura yet she says, the key word says, she loves Sasuke. Sometimes feelings juggles your words, hence at times we can stuttered or be unsure. The funny thing is that he claims that he don't remember the rest. I smell BS. Kishi is making us wait longer. In the end, it's back in waiting game. Don't put anything in a pedestal and just wait. That's the problem with us, which is ironic, because when it's NS, it's cool, but when it's anything else, it's beyond the galaxy that it can't be toppled. How's that even work?

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ May 2 2013, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Yes, really. I can't think many anime/manga at the moment, knowing I'm playing a game, but take Clannad the alternate story. It was snowing, and the dramatic moment happens in the snow. What happens? Two are reunited and love each other. Another example, Hajime No Ippo, but this time, a failure attempt. The main character had all he need to pop the confession. Instead, he chickened out and caused his love interest to get in an argument, ending with her calling him an idiot. Do they patch things up? Well, yeah, just later. Again, even in SD spin-off, anime and manga (chapter cover chapter 2) acknowledged snow is a romantic season. I have to research it and it is, to many.

The funny thing is even the park is often considered romantic, hence why AU! Team 8 thought they were dating. Yes, it's a movie, but ask yourself: why give these traits to NS? This truly begs the question and if NS ends up canon, then your question has been answered.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:09 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ May 2 2013, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, really. I can't think many anime/manga at the moment, knowing I'm playing a game, but take Clannad the alternate story. It was snowing, and the dramatic moment happens in the snow. What happens? Two are reunited and love each other. Another example, Hajime No Ippo, but this time, a failure attempt. The main character had all he need to pop the confession. Instead, he chickened out and caused his love interest to get in an argument, ending with her calling him an idiot. Do they patch things up? Well, yeah, just later. Again, even in SD spin-off, anime and manga (chapter cover chapter 2) acknowledged snow is a romantic season. I have to research it and it is, to many.


Hmm... saying becuse it's snowing it's romantic IMO is kind of silly... unless it's a japaneese thing, then yeah sure....

QUOTE (StrikerTheNoble @ May 2 2013, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aparently people believe there is a difference.

Yes I googled it.




I liked that post who answered him THE FEELS wub.gif

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In love apposed to loving --Click here to view--
I, for one, am a lot more partial to loving people, rather than "being in love" with them. "Falling in love" implies that a person could eventually "fall out of love", which happens a lot. Loving someone (truly loving a person) usually lasts a lifetime.
I was "in love" with my ex, and that didn't get me anywhere.
If I was to be honest, even when I was "in love" with him, I knew, deep inside, that we were not meant to be together. There was no way we could deal with each other for the rest of our lives. I hated when people asked "When are you guys getting married?" because I knew, even though we'd made it through three years of being together, neither of us wanted to get married to each other.
I used birth control religiously, cause I was afraid, if I got pregnant, I'd be stuck with him forever (Yes, I'm the girl).

Now I am married, to the most wonderful guy in the world. I consider him my best friend and I love him with all my heart. I did not "fall in love". I grew to love him for who he was, and I accept him the way he is, and he accepts me the way I am. We are never trying to change each other because we never "fell in love".

I guess the difference is, when you "fall in love", you fall for the initial impression, not the real person.

Knowing, and loving the real person seems a lot more important to me that being "in" something you could just as easily be "out" of.

Just think. You love your parents, and your siblings, and your best friends, all in different ways, but almost all of them, except for special circumstances, you'll love forever. "Forever" is better than "for now".

Edited by HauntedCake, 02 May 2013 - 09:10 PM.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ May 2 2013, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm... saying becuse it's snowing it's romantic IMO is kind of silly... unless it's a japaneese thing, then yeah sure....

It is. I just gave you all Japanese related work. Why you think Lee thought of snow scene when in manga NEVER snow in Konoha. Spin-off yes, but that's not point. The point is dreaming of a setting for romantic day and snow is one of it. I know you may think "aren't you being hypocrite?" but it's not my fault, blame Kishi for subtle romance settings. Even TokyoKit said something about it for the park scene. Trust me on this one. Er, does that country needed to be snow setting? Seems like an excuse for NS confrontation. Like in Ippo, it happened to snow because his time was coming but yet, failed.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:51 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ May 2 2013, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whats the difference???

Well, the difference can definitely be in the eye of the beholder. Defining love is a subjective exercise, and we each can really only speak for ourselves.

In my mind, the difference between love for someone and being in love with someone basically boils down to biology. You can care about someone, be committed to your relationship with them, and be willing to do anything to help them. That's love. But being in love includes the element of physical attraction and desire. In other words, biology.

We've talked about it out here before, and I posted the old quote of the late advice columnist Ann Landers who famously said, "Love is friendship caught fire." To me, the caught fire part is the "fall in love" part. That fire is what distinguishes the love between friends from romantic love.

People love their siblings, parents, friends, and pets, but the term in love is reserved for a love for someone to whom you are physically attracted. It's a special designation that unifies all the meaningful aspects of loving another person into a single bond.

To summarize my take on it:

Love = care, concern, commitment, admiration, willingness to sacrifice for another.

Infatuation = physical attraction not based on character, suitability, or reciprocation.

In Love = care, concern, commitment, admiration, willingness to sacrifice, and physical attraction for another above all others.

True Love = In Love reciprocated from both sides.


To summarize my take on it with regard to the Naruto pairings:

Hinata is in love with Naruto.
Naruto is in love with Sakura.
Sasuke is none of the above for anyone, so far as we know.

The tough one to categorize is Sakura. She started out infatuated with Sasuke. Then she was in love with him. But the "above all others" part no longer applies because of her feelings for Naruto. She obviously loves Naruto, and we know she is physically attracted to him (#245 told us that), and yet her lingering feelings for Sasuke cast a shadow on her being in love with Naruto. She can't be in love with both of them, so which way is her heart really headed?

I think it's just a matter of time. Sakura will turn the corner on Sasuke, making way for NS to end in True Love.

Just my opinion.



Edited by KnS, 02 May 2013 - 10:54 PM.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:59 PM

QUOTE (KnS @ May 3 2013, 12:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, the difference can definitely be in the eye of the beholder. Defining love is a subjective exercise, and we each can really only speak for ourselves.

In my mind, the difference between love for someone and being in love with someone basically boils down to biology. You can care about someone, be committed to your relationship with them, and be willing to do anything to help them. That's love. But being in love includes the element of physical attraction and desire. In other words, biology.

We've talked about it out here before, and I posted the old quote of the late advice columnist Ann Landers who famously said, "Love is friendship caught fire." To me, the caught fire part is the "fall in love" part. That fire is what distinguishes the love between friends from romantic love.

People love their siblings, parents, friends, and pets, but the term in love is reserved for a love for someone to whom you are physically attracted. It's a special designation that unifies all the meaningful aspects of loving another person into a single bond.

To summarize my take on it:

Love = care, concern, commitment, admiration, willingness to sacrifice for another.

Infatuation = physical attraction not based on character, suitability, or reciprocation.

In Love = care, concern, commitment, admiration, willingness to sacrifice, and physical attraction for another above all others.

True Love = In Love reciprocated from both sides.


To summarize my take on it with regard to the Naruto pairings:

Hinata is in love with Naruto.
Naruto is in love with Sakura.
Sasuke is none of the above for anyone, so far as we know.

The tough one to categorize is Sakura. She started out infatuated with Sasuke. Then she was in love with him. But the "above all others" part no longer applies because of her feelings for Naruto. She obviously loves Naruto, and we know she is physically attracted to him (#245 told us that), and yet her lingering feelings for Sasuke cast a shadow on her being in love with Naruto. She can't be in love with both of them, so which way is her heart really headed?

I think it's just a matter of time. Sakura will turn the corner on Sasuke, making way for NS to end in True Love.

Just my opinion.


Alright Im gonna go grammar nazi on this thing:

love= verb

1. (tr) to have a great attachment to and affection for
2. (tr) to have passionate desire, longing, and feelings for
3. (tr) to like or desire (to do something) very much
4. (tr) to make love to
5. (intr) to be in love

love = noun
1.
a. an intense emotion of affection, warmth, fondness, and regard towards a person or thing
b. (as modifier) love song love story
2. a deep feeling of sexual attraction and desire
3. wholehearted liking for or pleasure in something
4. (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) Christianity
a. God's benevolent attitude towards man
b. man's attitude of reverent devotion towards God
5. Also my love a beloved person: used esp as an endearment
6. Brit informal a term of address, esp but not necessarily for a person regarded as likable
7. (Individual Sports, other than specified) (in tennis, squash, etc.) a score of zero

idioms:

for love
Out of compassion; with no thought for a reward: She volunteers at the hospital for love.
for love or money
Under any circumstances. Usually used in negative sentences: I would not do that for love or money.
for the love of
For the sake of; in consideration for: did it all for the love of praise.
in love
1. Deeply or passionately enamored: a young couple in love.
2. Highly or immoderately fond: in love with Japanese painting; in love with the sound of her own voice.
no love lost
No affection; animosity: There's no love lost between them.

Hard facts straight from the dictionary.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:04 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ May 2 2013, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That sound kind of negative for NS tbh OVERALL

It doesnt sound negative.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:36 PM

QUOTE (StrikerTheNoble @ May 2 2013, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Alright Im gonna go grammar nazi on this

Not sure what you're trying to say. That I'm wrong? That my definition of love doesn't match your dictionary? That semantics are irrelevant when speaking of something as subjective as an evolving love? Help me understand.




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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:44 PM

QUOTE (KnS @ May 2 2013, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not sure what you're trying to say. That I'm wrong? That my definition of love doesn't match your dictionary? That semantics are irrelevant when speaking of something as subjective as an evolving love? Help me understand.


Sounded right to me. I too think she loves Naruto, but it's debatable whether she's in love with him like Naruto is with her.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:45 PM

QUOTE (FoolishYoungling @ May 2 2013, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Then what was the purpose of her going to Naruto first? Sai told us. He said that she cared about his feelings so much, that she was willing to have him hate her forever if it meant he would be safe. She was doing it to stop Sasuke from falling deeper into darkness, and also to take away Naruto's heavy burden.

The point of the Selfish Love vs. Unselfish is the foundation. Sakura fell in "Love" with Sasuke because of his looks, talent, and his past. She continuously saw his struggles with the curse mark and the temptation it brought on. In other words she sees him as a wounded person and felt sorry for him. The problem is that this love isn't based off of his personality or chemistry that they have.

Naruto and Her relationship is different. Sure in part 2 she learns about Naruto's hardships but they were already close friends in part 1. In part 2, this foundation grows as Sakura learns more about his life. The difference is that when Sakura gets close, Naruto does not push her away. They both know and love the real personalities of each other [even the hidden perverted sides]

The main point is that throughout the whole series Sasuke always causes Sakura pain. But Naruto always makes her happy and that is not one-sided. They bring out the best in each other.

Edited by Shadow1275, 02 May 2013 - 11:46 PM.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:50 PM

QUOTE (KnS @ May 2 2013, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, the difference can definitely be in the eye of the beholder. Defining love is a subjective exercise, and we each can really only speak for ourselves.

In my mind, the difference between love for someone and being in love with someone basically boils down to biology. You can care about someone, be committed to your relationship with them, and be willing to do anything to help them. That's love. But being in love includes the element of physical attraction and desire. In other words, biology.

We've talked about it out here before, and I posted the old quote of the late advice columnist Ann Landers who famously said, "Love is friendship caught fire." To me, the caught fire part is the "fall in love" part. That fire is what distinguishes the love between friends from romantic love.

People love their siblings, parents, friends, and pets, but the term in love is reserved for a love for someone to whom you are physically attracted. It's a special designation that unifies all the meaningful aspects of loving another person into a single bond.

To summarize my take on it:

Love = care, concern, commitment, admiration, willingness to sacrifice for another.

Infatuation = physical attraction not based on character, suitability, or reciprocation.

In Love = care, concern, commitment, admiration, willingness to sacrifice, and physical attraction for another above all others.

True Love = In Love reciprocated from both sides.


To summarize my take on it with regard to the Naruto pairings:

Hinata is in love with Naruto.
Naruto is in love with Sakura.
Sasuke is none of the above for anyone, so far as we know.

The tough one to categorize is Sakura. She started out infatuated with Sasuke. Then she was in love with him. But the "above all others" part no longer applies because of her feelings for Naruto. She obviously loves Naruto, and we know she is physically attracted to him (#245 told us that), and yet her lingering feelings for Sasuke cast a shadow on her being in love with Naruto. She can't be in love with both of them, so which way is her heart really headed?

I think it's just a matter of time. Sakura will turn the corner on Sasuke, making way for NS to end in True Love.

Just my opinion.


Well this does sum it up but Narutos has progressed to the point of love, I mean hasn't Sakura sacrificed stuff herself for him too, even willing to sacrifice her own friendship and intial selfish request to free him? Thats just it though, the promise was intially that simple, but Naruto went along with it because like Sakura, he was hurt with Sasuke leaving. Naruto did it for his own reasons aside from Sakura.

Remember Naruto accepted the promise because of these reasons:

On Sakura's part:
-He loves her
-She is his friend
-He does not want to see her sad and he is selfless to her, if she is sad, he is sad
-She was suffering and was desperate because her fear of Sasuke leaving as Orochimaru said came true

On his own part:
-He felt the same pain as Sakura with Sasuke leaving, Sasuke was a like a brother to him.
-Both Sasuke and Sakura were his first real bonds, he did not want to lose the one he could relate with most.
-He was concerned for Sasuke's wellbeing and fate (orochipedo wanted to take his body).
-He wanted Sasuke to be safe for his own wellbeing and because both he and Sakura worried about him.
-He was commited to this because he never gave up on his goals
-He accepted it even if it meant he would ruin his own chances to get with Sakura, he would do it though in the hopes that she would not forget him and notice him in a better light.

Eventually these came tacked on the promise though:
-Needs to finish it for the self validation to be hokage, if he cannot protect one friend how can be be hokage
-needs to finish it for the self validation to confess to Sakura, he never finished the one thing she ever asked of him and feels bad about it
-Struggles to protect Sasuke no matter how the world came to hate him
-Struggles to fulfill Sakura's happiness at the expense of his own
-Maintained nobility for Sakura's love and not taking advantage of the fact that Sasuke is gone, only way he would want Sakura to love him is if she did so freely or if she accepted his confession after Sasuke returned.
-Once he defeated pain and understood revenge, Naruto just had another reason alongside the promise to get Sasuke back.
-Determined to finish it even with Sasuke becoming a great villain (though this may change due to the recent turn he had with Hashirama).

Anyways its still reasonable to think that like his orginal ideal for becoming Hokage, Naruto intially wanted to be hokage for acknowledgement but it later turned to his desire to protect his friends and home as the reason to become hokage. He has the power now but won't due to Sasuke's abstance. Its reasonable to think that its been another situation of the promise becoming an element of the journey rather than the destination as in for NaruSaku, their interaction would trigger NaruSaku at a point they never expected, basically NaruSaku is not only part of the journey but later on, its reasonable to think that niether Naruto or Sakura thought they would love each other in the journey (well Naruto always sought it as a destination but for Sakura it would be totally unexpected).

NaruSaku is part of the journey, the others are still just destinations.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:51 PM

QUOTE (KnS @ May 2 2013, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not sure what you're trying to say. That I'm wrong? That my definition of love doesn't match your dictionary? That semantics are irrelevant when speaking of something as subjective as an evolving love? Help me understand.

Well it's nothing about me but i'll left my thoughts.
kishimoto used the term "love" for Sakura to Sasuke when it's based on infatuation but with Hinata he labelled it as "infatuation".

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:53 PM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ May 2 2013, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The point of the Selfish Love vs. Unselfish is the foundation. Sakura fell in "Love" with Sasuke because of his looks, talent, and his past. She continuously saw his struggles with the curse mark and the temptation it brought on. In other words she sees him as a wounded person and felt sorry for him. The problem is that this love isn't based off of his personality or chemistry that they have.

Naruto and Her relationship is different. Sure in part 2 she learns about Naruto's hardships but they were already close friends in part 1. In part 2, this foundation grows as Sakura learns more about his life. The difference is that when Sakura gets close, Naruto does not push her away. They both know and love the real personalities of each other [even the hidden perverted sides]

The main point is that throughout the whole series Sasuke always causes Sakura pain. But Naruto always makes her happy and that is not one-sided. They bring out the best in each other.

The feels meter is going to burst! arg.gif

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:06 AM

QUOTE (FoolishYoungling @ May 3 2013, 12:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The feels meter is going to burst! arg.gif


That's why I would be disappointed if she never got over her feelings for Sasuke. They've been her weakest point throughout the whole series and I'm really tired of them. I'm not saying that she has to love Naruto just bc of all he has done for her. What he's done is sweet but if she feels like she owes him then she'd be as submissive as she was with Sasuke. But her "feelings" for Sasuke have to go. It's about time that this one-sided love triangle ended already.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:07 AM

QUOTE (KnS @ May 3 2013, 01:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not sure what you're trying to say. That I'm wrong? That my definition of love doesn't match your dictionary? That semantics are irrelevant when speaking of something as subjective as an evolving love? Help me understand.


First of it`s not my dictionary. In my dictionary its more or less the same word. Its the dictionary of the English speaking countries.

Your version is not wrong but its not right either. We could say that the difference is physical attraction but thats ones personal opinion. In the ask.com post I linked before someone gave a very good example of "in love" meaning to be able to "fall out of love" as oposed to loves being long term.

But this case here is strictly a matter of grammar and vocabulary. Not biology. So its best to look it up in the dictionary and be done with it.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:34 AM

QUOTE (StrikerTheNoble @ May 2 2013, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
First of it`s not my dictionary. In my dictionary its more or less the same word. Its the dictionary of the English speaking countries.

Your version is not wrong but its not right either. We could say that the difference is physical attraction but thats ones personal opinion. In the ask.com post I linked before someone gave a very good example of "in love" meaning to be able to "fall out of love" as oposed to loves being long term.

But this case here is strictly a matter of grammar and vocabulary. Not biology. So its best to look it up in the dictionary and be done with it.

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It's not "strictly a matter of grammar and vocabulary", because love can have more than one definition, and there is more than just one kind of love out there. Biology most definitely ties into feelings of love, (i.e. the whole physical attraction), as well as psychology.

Here is what my Psychology text book, (a much more reliable source than "ask.com"), says about love:

"Dictionary definitions of love refer to a strong affection for another person due to kinship, personal ties, sexual attraction, admiration, or common interests. But those aren't all the same kind of relationships. I love my family and I love my friends, but in different ways.

Psychologists generally agree that there are different kinds of love. One psychologist, Robert Sternberg, outlined a theory of what he determined were the three main components of love and the different types of love that combinations of these three components can produce.

The Three Components of Love
According to Sternberg, love consists of three basic components: intimacy, passion, and commitment.

Intimacy, in Sternberg's view, refers to the feelings of closeness that one has for another person or the sense of having close emotional ties to another. Intimacy in this sense is not physical but psychological. Friends have an intimate relationship because they disclose things to each other that most people might not know, they feel strong emotional ties to each other, and they enjoy the presence of the other person.

Passion is the physical aspect of love. Passion refers to the emotional and sexual arousal a person feels toward the other person. Passion is not simply sex; holding hands, loving looks, and hugs can all be forms of passion.

Commitment involves the decisions one makes about a relationship. A short-term decision might be, "I think I'm in love." An example of a more long-term decision is, "I want to be with this person for the rest of my life."

The Love Triangles

A love relationship between two people can involve one, two, or all three of these components in various combinations. The combinations can produce seven different forms of love.

Two of the more familiar and more heavily researched forms of love from Sternberg's theory are romantic love and companionate love. When intimacy and passion are combined, the result is the more familiar romantic love, which is sometimes called passionate love by other researchers. Romantic love is often the basis for a more lasting relationship. In many Western cultures, the ideal relationship begins with liking, then becomes romantic love as passion is added to the mix, and finally becomes a more enduring form of love as a commitment is made.

When intimacy and commitment are the main components of a relationship, it is called companionate love. In companionate love, people who like each other, feel emotionally close to each other, and understand one another's motives have made a commitment to live together, usually in a marriage relationship. Companionate love is often the binding tie that holds a marriage together through the years of parenting, paying bills, and lessening physical passion. In many non-Western cultures, companionate love is seen as more sensible. Choices for a mate on the basis of compatibility are often made by parents or matchmakers rather than the couple.

Finally, when all three components of love are present, the couple has achieved consumate love, the ideal form of love that many people see as the ultimate goal. This is also the kind of love that may evolve into companionate love when the passion lessens during the middle years of a relationship's commitment.

The other four kinds of love are liking, infatuation, fatuous love, and empty love.
" (Ciccarelli, 2012)

Reference
Ciccarelli, S. K. (2012). Psychology An Exploration. Boston: Pearson Learning Solutions.

Love is much more than a definition, my friend. Much, much more. KnS made a very good post.

Edited by Slextrem, 03 May 2013 - 01:00 AM.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:42 AM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ May 2 2013, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
... facepalm.png

It's not "strictly a matter of grammar and vocabulary", because love can have more than one definition, and there is more than just one kind of love out there. Biology most definitely ties into feelings of love, (i.e. the whole physical attraction), as well as psychology.

Here is what my Psychology text book, (a much more reliable source than "ask.com"), says about love:

"Dictionary definitions of love refer to a strong affection for another person due to kinship, personal ties, sexual attraction, admiration, or common interests. But those aren't all the same kind of relationships. I love my family and I love my friends, but in different ways.

Psychologists generally agree that there are different kinds of love. One psychologist, Robert Sternberg, outlined a theory of what he determined were the three main components of love and the different types of love that combinations of these three components can produce.

The Three Components of Love
According to Sternberg, love consists of three basic components: intimacy, passion, and commitment.

Intimacy, in Sternberg's view, refers to the feelings of closeness that one has for another person or the sense of having close emotional ties to another. Intimacy in this sense is not physical by psychological. Friends have an intimate relationship because they disclose things to each other that most people might not know, they feel strong emotional ties to each other, and they enjoy the presence of the other person.

Passion is the physical aspect of love. Passion refers to the emotional and sexual arousal a person feels toward the other person. Passion is not simply sex; holding hands, loving looks, and hugs can all be forms of passion.

Commitment involves the decisions one makes about a relationship. A short-term decision might be, "I think I'm in love." An example of a more long-term decision is, "I want to be with this person for the rest of my life."

The Love Triangles

A love relationship between two people can involve one, two, or all three of these components in various combinations. The combinations can produce seven different forms of love.

Two of the more familiar and more heavily researched forms of love from Sternberg's theory are romantic love and companionate love. When intimacy and passion are combined, the result is the more familiar romantic love, which is sometimes called passionate love by other researchers. Romantic love is often the basis for a more lasting relationship. In many Western cultures, the ideal relationship begins with liking, then becomes romantic love as passion is added to the mix, and finally becomes a more enduring form of love as a commitment is made.

When intimacy and commitment are the main components of a relationship, it is called companionate love. In companionate love, people who like each other, feel emotionally close to each other, and understand one another's motives have made a commitment to live together, usually in a marriage relationship. Companionate love is often the binding tie that holds a marriage together through the years of parenting, paying bills, and lessening physical passion. In many non-Western cultures, companionate love is seen as more sensible. Choices for a mate on the basis of compatibility are often made by parents or matchmakers rather than the couple.

Finally, when all three components of love are present, the couple has achieved consummate love, the ideal form of love that many people see as the ultimate goal. This is also the kind of love that may evolve into companionate love when the passion lessens during the middle years of a relationship's commitment.

The other four kinds of love are liking, infatuation, fatuous love, and empty love.
"

Love is much more than a definition, my friend. Much, much more. KnS made a very good post.


I would like to ask you what would you categorize sakuras love? to me for now its ether love or ambiguous. happy.gif




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