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[Slextrem]

I don't think you can make a parallel based on the appearance of a character alone. Kishimoto tends to draw a lot of the characters with the same facial expressions. It's the similarities in the relationships and personalities of the characters that make a parallel, and SasuKarin just doesn't have the same of either as MinaKushi does.

Edited by Slextrem, 02 May 2013 - 02:42 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't think you can make a parallel based on the appearance of a character alone. Kishimoto tends to draw a lot of the characters with the same facial expressions. It's the similarities in the relationships and personalities of the characters that make a parallel, and SasuKarin just doesn't have the same of either as MinaKushi does.

This.

[James S Cassidy]

Ok, I see what you mean. Well, I do think the outcome is predictable. The only thing I'm worried is how he will handle the closure, because you can't just rush it. This needs like a chapter of itself. I mean they did it for Sakura's confession that lasted 2 chapters or 1 chapter and a half. Pretty big for a pairing drama, don't you think? Heck, we got a cliffhanger on a pairing drama. Anyway, I'm only worried on how he's going to make it an impact. I guess you can say Naruto's speech is being hyped as we speak.

Agreed.

Bolded: It's funny that you mention that seeing how that got like two chapters in almost like a mini-arc (Maybe even more if you consider the entire thing from the point Sai told Sakura to Naruto saving her), meanwhile you got Hinata's confession barely last one or even less than half a chapter with no real outcome to it or even great significance later. It was barely even brought up and not in a real dramatic scene anyway.

So much emphasis on something by the writer is not done lightly.

[StriderC]

Agreed.

Bolded: It's funny that you mention that seeing how that got like two chapters in almost like a mini-arc (Maybe even more if you consider the entire thing from the point Sai told Sakura to Naruto saving her), meanwhile you got Hinata's confession barely last one or even less than half a chapter with no real outcome to it or even great significance later. It was barely even brought up and not in a real dramatic scene anyway.

So much emphasis on something by the writer is not done lightly.

LOL It didn't have the potential to be a truly dramatic scene given her situation compared to Sakura's and where she stood with Naruto.

Sakura

- She had feelings for their former teammate
- She had gotten closer to Naruto since Part 1, and it's gotten even better in Part 2


Hinata

-She's only had feelings for Naruto and in her confession she had nothing to lose. She also didn't have to really PROVE her love for Naruto. She was also not even Part of a love triangle either.

Sakura's confession had more weight to it than Hinata's did. One can only speculate if he would of believed it had she not brought up Sasuke. It seems like he would of but who knows.

[Slextrem]

Sakura's confession had more weight to it than Hinata's did. One can only speculate if he would of believed it had she not brought up Sasuke. It seems like he would of but who knows.

I feel that if Sakura hadn't brought up Sasuke during her confession, Naruto would have. He's so into c**k-blocking himself, it's ridiculous.

I say that because, during her confession, he still hadn't moved forward from his experiences in Part One. His flashbacks during Chapter 474 are proof of that. He doesn't think of Shippuden Sakura at all. Rather, his mind immediately goes back to Part One, with Sakura all over Sasuke. It's like he can't accept the possibility of her changing her feelings. In Naruto's mind, she has to love Sasuke because she did in Part One; he's the only guy that can make her happy!

I hope he has moved on from that mentality.

[StriderC]

I feel that if Sakura hadn't brought up Sasuke during her confession, Naruto would have. He's so into c**k-blocking himself, it's ridiculous.

I say that because, during her confession, he still hadn't moved forward from his experiences in Part One. His flashbacks during Chapter 474 are proof of that. He doesn't think of Shippuden Sakura at all. Rather, his mind immediately goes back to Part One, with Sakura all over Sasuke. It's like he can't accept the possibility of her changing her feelings. In Naruto's mind, she has to love Sasuke because she did in Part One; he's the only guy that can make her happy!

I hope he has moved on from that mentality.

You think he would of believed her had she not brought up Sasuke? The reason I feel as though he would of possibly believed her was given his initial response. He was shocked, and needed to hear it again. She could of just left it at that, "I love you Naruto", and he probably would of bitten but she went into the detail on why, and it went downhill from there.

But you're definitely right though. He thought of the old Sakura but not once did he think of the Sakura that fed him. The Sakura that cried for him early on the arc. The Sakura that genuinely hugged him. Just how she was around Sasuke, and it was quite ridiculous. He clung to the past there.

I think he has but I do feel like fault isn't entirely his considering she did lie about how she felt about Sasuke and not caring about him anymore. I hope a chapter comes out soon because Kishi's had way too many breaks lately. LOL

[T XD]

You think he would of believed her had she not brought up Sasuke? The reason I feel as though he would of possibly believed her was given his initial response. He was shocked, and needed to hear it again. She could of just left it at that, "I love you Naruto", and he probably would of bitten but she went into the detail on why, and it went downhill from there.

But you're definitely right though. He thought of the old Sakura but not once did he think of the Sakura that fed him. The Sakura that cried for him early on the arc. The Sakura that genuinely hugged him. Just how she was around Sasuke, and it was quite ridiculous. He clung to the past there.

I think he has but I do feel like fault isn't entirely his considering she did lie about how she felt about Sasuke and not caring about him anymore. I hope a chapter comes out soon because Kishi's had way too many breaks lately. LOL

Bolded, you made me imagine for a future chapter that Kishi is making Naruto realize that Sakura loves him from flashbacks of them in Shippuden, and some from the original XD

Somewhat can't happen, but it would be epic if it did.

[Slextrem]

You think he would of believed her had she not brought up Sasuke? The reason I feel as though he would of possibly believed her was given his initial response. He was shocked, and needed to hear it again. She could of just left it at that, "I love you Naruto", and he probably would of bitten but she went into the detail on why, and it went downhill from there.

But you're definitely right though. He thought of the old Sakura but not once did he think of the Sakura that fed him. The Sakura that cried for him early on the arc. The Sakura that genuinely hugged him. Just how she was around Sasuke, and it was quite ridiculous. He clung to the past there.

I think he has but I do feel like fault isn't entirely his considering she did lie about how she felt about Sasuke and not caring about him anymore. I hope a chapter comes out soon because Kishi's had way too many breaks lately. LOL

I'm not sure if he would have. He showed skepticism of her before she started getting into the gritty details:

:B --Click here to view--

Mind you, she does say, "I'm saying there's nothing between Sasuke and me anymore! I don't know what I was thinking, liking a person like that..." right before this, so maybe that's what affected Naruto.

Still, I feel that Naruto has to come to terms with the past and Sasuke before he'll be able to truly accept Sakura's love. Even if she's the one that caused him to be skeptical in this moment, I can't help but feel that he would question her on this later on.

Sasuke is the biggest obstacle for both of them.

[Dkey]

You think he would of believed her had she not brought up Sasuke? The reason I feel as though he would of possibly believed her was given his initial response. He was shocked, and needed to hear it again. She could of just left it at that, "I love you Naruto", and he probably would of bitten but she went into the detail on why, and it went downhill from there.

But you're definitely right though. He thought of the old Sakura but not once did he think of the Sakura that fed him. The Sakura that cried for him early on the arc. The Sakura that genuinely hugged him. Just how she was around Sasuke, and it was quite ridiculous. He clung to the past there.

I think he has but I do feel like fault isn't entirely his considering she did lie about how she felt about Sasuke and not caring about him anymore. I hope a chapter comes out soon because Kishi's had way too many breaks lately. LOL

Wow this past replies kinda gave me an idea that when Kishi adresses there relationship again it probably will last longer than 1 or 2 chapters. I wonder thou what would make Naruto change his mind that Sakura really changed from Part 1.

[James S Cassidy]

I'm not sure if he would have. He showed skepticism of her before she started getting into the gritty details:

:B --Click here to view--

Mind you, she does say, "I'm saying there's nothing between Sasuke and me anymore! I don't know what I was thinking, liking a person like that..." right before this, so maybe that's what affected Naruto.

Still, I feel that Naruto has to come to terms with the past and Sasuke before he'll be able to truly accept Sakura's love. Even if she's the one that caused him to be skeptical in this moment, I can't help but feel that he would question her on this later on.

Sasuke is the biggest obstacle for both of them.

It's funny how things work out.

Naruto starts off as the confident one and turns into someone who is really insecure, meanwhile Sakura starts out insecure and becomes the confident one. I think he would have been skeptical no matter what Sakura said or how she portrayed it given that he won't accept anything until Sasuke comes back.

It still is funny seeing Naruto change personality that much from part one to part two. He seems to take failure really hard these days. Naruto needs to be knocked back into his original state of mind and confidence he had before.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

LOL It didn't have the potential to be a truly dramatic scene given her situation compared to Sakura's and where she stood with Naruto.

Sakura

- She had feelings for their former teammate
- She had gotten closer to Naruto since Part 1, and it's gotten even better in Part 2


Hinata

-She's only had feelings for Naruto and in her confession she had nothing to lose. She also didn't have to really PROVE her love for Naruto. She was also not even Part of a love triangle either.

Sakura's confession had more weight to it than Hinata's did. One can only speculate if he would of believed it had she not brought up Sasuke. It seems like he would of but who knows.

I would disagree, she hasnt gotten closer to Naruto on part 1, only at the ending when she had to rely on him, because she was going to abandon Naruto for Sasuke, so Sasuke was a bigger presence for her than Naruto who was mostly on a second floor but not too much relevant for her life.
Part 2 is where kishimoto develops what he left open on the ending of part 1.


About Kishimoto romance impact for some reason when some romantic scene happens or something regarded to it, there's always a bench, Jiraiya and Tsunade happened on a bench, Dan kissing tsunade's forehead happened on a bench, Obito's possible confession to Rin also had a bench, Sakura's confession to Sasuke had a bench, Sakura's confession to Naruto had that snow but there was also a bench on that occasion, even the anime team when Naruto spoke to Hinata(Rock LEE SD) there also had a bench.
The msot recently manga "Mario" stuff also had a bench.
I dont know what's the problem with kishimoto but it seems that he love drawing romantic scenes with a bench on the enviroment looks like a fixation.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 May 2013 - 03:56 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Agreed.

Bolded: It's funny that you mention that seeing how that got like two chapters in almost like a mini-arc (Maybe even more if you consider the entire thing from the point Sai told Sakura to Naruto saving her), meanwhile you got Hinata's confession barely last one or even less than half a chapter with no real outcome to it or even great significance later. It was barely even brought up and not in a real dramatic scene anyway.

So much emphasis on something by the writer is not done lightly.

That's true. I don't know, the media don't capture the moment of Hinata's confession as a significant moment for pairing, rather just her. Sakura's confession has be brought up, redone, and has been debate in today's world, including people who interviewed Kishi. That moment was drama heavy because they can't come to an agreement until everything is over. It's ironic because Sasuke is who they cared so much that they will end up loving each other.

Actually, the fact they have a drama like this is in a way a good sign for NS because it's taken serious. People tried to make it seems like it's over between them but where do they even say it? All media has been making it seem like bury the hatchet or we'll come back to this when the time comes. I mean Naruto sure looks happy with Sakura in that one chapter about Tsunade. He sure looks angry when they interact for a brief moment. Oh and that Naruto meeting her in war.

[Dkey]

I don't understand something thou.
What part of NS relationship is japanese orientated that only Japanese and those familiar with it can understand it's hints. I mean before Naruto I haven't read any manga ( I never watched or played Pokemon and Dragon Ball Z) and still saw something starting up between them. Yet in the western world we are numerically inferior.
Yes there are some tropes regarding their relationship but I don't see them so different from western ones that you can't tell what they actually mean.

[HauntedCake]

Yeah.. Sasuke is biggest problem atm. I dont even register NH as a threat anymore.

The chapter with team 7 reunion will be make or break for all pairings, pretty much depending on what Sakura is like towards Sasuke.

[TouKen4Life3g]

That reminded me, snow environment is known to be romantic, whether it is a hit or miss. Miss means something you two can get together but something needs to be done. Hit is well, you did it. Lol. Actually, didn't Lee in SD even vision himself with Sakura in a snow environment and she's all romantic and all? It was in episode 2 or 3. I don't remember. Point is snow environment is often considered romantic, and Kishi will go his way to make the atmosphere as romantic as it can get.

[Gravenimage]

Yeah.. Sasuke is biggest problem atm. I dont even register NH as a threat anymore.

The chapter with team 7 reunion will be make or break for all pairings, pretty much depending on what Sakura is like towards Sasuke.

Last time time Sakura saw Sasuke he tried to stab her with a chidori, then try to slit her throat with a poisoned kunai. Then he threatened to kill Naruto I wonder what will be her reaction if she sees him again?

Edited by Gravenimage, 02 May 2013 - 04:36 PM.

[StriderC]

Bolded, you made me imagine for a future chapter that Kishi is making Naruto realize that Sakura loves him from flashbacks of them in Shippuden, and some from the original XD

Somewhat can't happen, but it would be epic if it did.

LOL It'd be nice if Naruto recollects on some of the moments they've had together. Would be really sweet, but I'm sure if Kishi doesn't do it but makes a moment where we see them and they're canon, the anime team will probably throw in some flashbacks for us to make it a bit more awesome.

Slextrem

You have a point. LOL It's really hard to peg for me what his reaction would of been otherwise.

I will say that they both had to work on themselves for sure. Sakura fully loving Naruto and Naruto fully accepting that she CAN come to love him. It's like he loved her but NEVER expected to get as far as he did with her.

Dkey

Hmmm, it depends on how he addresses it. I could see it last just about 2 chapters and nothing more and that would be the perfect size IMO. A chapter and a half would work also.

Dark

So you're really gonna say that she didn't get close to Naruto until the end of the first part? That's clearly false. Their relationship was built upon since early in Part 1. Just because she didn't harbor romantic feelings for him doesn't mean she didn't care about him at all. I could reference when she fought for him in the Forest of Death, and how he inspired her throughout part 1 and use that against your argument. She was definitely close to him then, and just because she called him annoying doesn't take away from that. Just because she hit him on some occasions doesn't take away from that either. Without all of what happened in Part 1 between them, it wouldn't be as satisfying in Part 2 for me personally. You may feel they weren't close then, but I saw it in the manga.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

LOL It'd be nice if Naruto recollects on some of the moments they've had together. Would be really sweet, but I'm sure if Kishi doesn't do it but makes a moment where we see them and they're canon, the anime team will probably throw in some flashbacks for us to make it a bit more awesome.

Slextrem

You have a point. LOL It's really hard to peg for me what his reaction would of been otherwise.

I will say that they both had to work on themselves for sure. Sakura fully loving Naruto and Naruto fully accepting that she CAN come to love him. It's like he loved her but NEVER expected to get as far as he did with her.

Dkey

Hmmm, it depends on how he addresses it. I could see it last just about 2 chapters and nothing more and that would be the perfect size IMO. A chapter and a half would work also.

Dark

So you're really gonna say that she didn't get close to Naruto until the end of the first part? That's clearly false. Their relationship was built upon since early in Part 1. Just because she didn't harbor romantic feelings for him doesn't mean she didn't care about him at all. I could reference when she fought for him in the Forest of Death, and how he inspired her throughout part 1 and use that against your argument. She was definitely close to him then, and just because she called him annoying doesn't take away from that. Just because she hit him on some occasions doesn't take away from that either. Without all of what happened in Part 1 between them, it wouldn't be as satisfying in Part 2 for me personally. You may feel they weren't close then, but I saw it in the manga.

Yes, and it's not false because when she said clearly that she would be lonely without Sasuke, and even wanted to go with him, it proves to me that Naruto wasnt important to Sakura and only started being built after the promise, because Naruto was there for her.
Then on Shippuuden it started from where part 1 ending on Naruto and Sakura relationship to a point that he had grown beyond close friendship.

Also when Sai tells her that Naruto loves her she remembers about the promise and the part when she said Naruto was annoying after that part she thought about how she was horrible to him before and during the POAL.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 May 2013 - 04:52 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yes, and it's not false because when she said clearly that she would be lonely without Sasuke, and even wanted to go with him, it proves to me that Naruto wasnt important to Sakura and only started being built after the promise, because Naruto was there for her.
Then on Shippuuden it started from where part 1 ending on Naruto and Sakura relationship to a point that he had grown being close friendship.

I don't know. To me, I always see it as Sakura doesn't know what she truly has or feel. I'm sure she was always close to him after Chuunin Exam, but she doesn't realize it until the PoaL moment. That's when it struck her that she was wrong about Naruto and thus, accepts that they're close. To me, it might repeat here but this time, romance level. I won't be surprised that happens.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I don't know. To me, I always see it as Sakura doesn't know what she truly has or feel. I'm sure she was always close to him after Chuunin Exam, but she doesn't realize it until the PoaL moment. That's when it struck her that she was wrong about Naruto and thus, accepts that they're close. To me, it might repeat here but this time, romance level. I won't be surprised that happens.

Part 1 for me it's just like Hinata when shows glimpses that it's already over Naruto then regresses backs to fangirl mode.(all the development that Naruto and Sakura had before her confession to Sasuke was throw into a "trash can")
It's simple unbelievable that after all the stuff that Naruto and Sakrua went though she claimed she would be lonely and wanted to leave him behind for me it only served as a development for other stuff, it was basically Sakura being an horrible person to Naruto while Naruto tried to make her happy and was the only who was concerned about her feelings and etc...
Then it triggers during Sai's speech to her when she says that Naruto loves her then she realizes how horrible person she was during the whole part 1, that despite her hating Naruto and wanted ot leave him behind/betray him and even called him annoying he loved her, then she goes to make her own confession not for just Naruto's sake but for herself and to redeem herself to Naruto.
"Naruto i was an horrible person to you, you dont deserve me" with this thinking is what droves her to kill Sasuke.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 May 2013 - 05:01 PM.