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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Did she giggle? I just remember her putting her hand in front of her mouth because of how shocking it was what Sai said.

I don't know how much sexual attraction that constitutes. Besides, this isn't some harem comedy so that kind of thing would be rare. It doesn't even matter anyway since at the very least NS has the mutuality that NH and SS so desperately crave.

I still find it funny how some people speculated (and still do) about Hinata getting some golden byakugan. They were hoping for some amazing NH team up in 616 that was apparently own the Juubi and solidify them as the greatest couple in existence since Hinata was getting some exclusive power up that only she could handle because she was Naruto's chosen one.

But no, then comes next chapter and it turns out it 615 was all about Hinata's development and that Naruto immediately gave the same treatment to all of the alliance. Oh I do so remember the disappointment of some people. But hey, that's what you get for getting your hopes up that a side character is going to suddenly take center stage when there absolutely no build up or any necessary reason whatsoever for it to happen.

I still remember how so many reviewer where trying to hide their disappointment about not getting their absurdly speculated NH combo. They kept calling what Naruto did as unnecessary and yet praised Hinata getting that power in the previous chapter.

And now after 628 comes out not only are some wondering why isn't Naruto addressing Hinata, as if she's now some key character, but they're claiming to the heavens that the only reason Sakura appeared now is because Sasuke is coming. I mean, seriously, we see Sakura back and the first thing she does is to keep worrying about Naruto pushing his limits, which was the central theme of that chapter, and yet people have the audacity to conclude that it's related to Sasuke. How far up their... sorry, I let myself get a little carried away there.

How twisted can some make their believes that they assume everything about Sakura has to be related to Sasuke, do people really so easily forget that Sakura has an important bond with Naruto as well? That regardless of their romantic outcome that they want to take care of each other?

It's just sad that for some people all Sakura means to them is the girl that loves Sasuke and nothing more. It really is selective reading at it's finest. But hey, Kishi already showed that NH isn't what people hyped it up to be, so I'm sure that SS will end up being the same.

Sad is people bothering about it.
I dont argue with them because i dont care, saying that Sakura only appeared because of Sasue and bashing her because of it, seems to me that they forgot that on the entire arc Hinata was only "naruto-kun" and nonetheless, she did anything to her clan or even Neji.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 May 2013 - 12:28 PM.

[Slextrem]

It's not surprising that some people think Sakura's appearance has to do with Sasuke. It doesn't make a lick of sense, but these are the same people that thought she was running off to meet him in Konoha when he appeared again too. Because Sakura has a Sasuke-radar and knows where he is 24/7.

Edited by Slextrem, 02 May 2013 - 12:26 PM.

[redragon88]

@HauntedCake

I'm serious, is there any development that doesn't have a follow up involving Naruto?

When she confessed to Sasuke she later when to Naruto and she realized how much he understood her and later vowed to work together with him after seeing him get hurt.

And the reason she went to kill Sasuke is because she realized how much of a burden it was becoming for Naruto, so she was only thinking about his well being that whole time.

Those two are her biggest moments with Sasuke and they both are connected to Naruto in some way. So I don't know what you mean she's only related to Sasuke when it seems that it just ricochets right back to her connection to Naruto.

Well, the only moment I can think of is when she hugged him in the forest of death to stop him from killing more people, but that got instantly diminished in the preliminary rounds of the chunin exams when Sakura got worried for Sasuke and he immediately responded by telling her it was none of her business. So at the end that development ended badly.

Oh wait, he did try to make her feel better by saying she noticed the genjutsu at the beginning of the chunin exams, I guess there's that. Not really much to cling on.

Sad is people bothering about it.
I dont argue with them because i dont care, saying that Sakura only appeared because of Sasue and bashing her because of it, seems to me that they forgot that on the entire arc Hinata was only "naruto-kun" and nonetheless, she did not to her clan or even Neji.

Don't misunderstand, I don't argue with any of them.

But inevitably you encounter those types of messages when you see Naruto related stuff on the internet. I just wanted to vent a little, that's all.

Edited by redragon88, 02 May 2013 - 12:32 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Don't misunderstand, I don't argue with any of them.

But inevitably you encounter those types of messages when you see Naruto related stuff on the internet. I just wanted to vent a little, that's all.

Yes i see too, funny is that they dont care about her character or even the plot overall just if she will end up with Naruto no matter what.

they hate Sakura because they have to and nothing else, and the funny thing is that they ship SS because of it, and got overjoyed when SS stuff happens.
Despicting "Bravery", "honestity" and etc.. but with Naruto is a b*tch, liar and the same old adjectives we see all day.

I'm serious, is there any development that doesn't have a follow up involving Naruto?

When she confessed to Sasuke she later when to Naruto and she realized how much she understood her and later vowed to work together with him after seeing him get hurt.

And the reason she went to kill Sasuke is because she realized how much of a burden it was becoming for Naruto, so she was only thinking about his well being that whole time.

Those two are her biggest moments with Sasuke and they both are connected to Naruto in some way. So I don't know what you mean she's only related to Sasuke when it seems that it just ricochets right back to her connection to Naruto.

Well, the only moment I can think of is when she hugged him in the forest of death to stop him from killing more people, but that got instantly diminished in the preliminary rounds of the chunin exams when Sakura got worried for Sasuke and he immediately responded by telling her it was none of her business. So at the end that development ended badly.

Oh wait, he did try to make her feel better by saying she noticed the genjutsu at the beginning of the chunin exams, I guess there's that. Not really much to cling on.

She got downplayed ot it since the bridge scene when she starteed thinking she could do anything to Naruto, it's all about Naruto or Sasuke.
and it's always something romance driven.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 May 2013 - 12:35 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

And to think, if there wasn't any romantic implications at all we wouldn't even be having the pairing war period. By "romantic implications" I mean from all ends.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

And to think, if there wasn't any romantic implications at all we wouldn't even be having the pairing war period. By "romantic implications" I mean from all ends.

This pairing war started since Naruto's plot didnt become more interesting and then pairings become something more relevant than the story itself.

[TouKen4Life3g]

And to think, if there wasn't any romantic implications at all we wouldn't even be having the pairing war period. By "romantic implications" I mean from all ends.

The fact that Sakura actually being hinted to love Naruto is what caused the war. It was more like small battles back in part 1 that no one should be aware about it. When part 2 happened, it's like a declaration of war has happened because one unintentionally did something that their place is considered "illegal". Now, here we are. On one hand, you got allies with one who could possibly be misled/misguided due to wrong interpretations and the other you got a nation that wonder if this one army is on your side or it's on the other side all the long, just to strike you bad. Yep, what a war...

[Chatte]

Sorry to bring it up here, but has anyone thought about Kishi inserting parallels of SasuKarin in MinaKushi?


To be honest, I see a little parallel here too. The same facial expressions on Karin and Kushina and the smiley way Minato and Sasuke look at them. Dat Kishi, hiding hints here and there.

[James S Cassidy]

The fact that Sakura actually being hinted to love Naruto is what caused the war. It was more like small battles back in part 1 that no one should be aware about it. When part 2 happened, it's like a declaration of war has happened because one unintentionally did something that their place is considered "illegal". Now, here we are. On one hand, you got allies with one who could possibly be misled/misguided due to wrong interpretations and the other you got a nation that wonder if this one army is on your side or it's on the other side all the long, just to strike you bad. Yep, what a war...

Actually, what I mean is is that if Kishi chose not to write any romance at all nor have any character exhibit love in anyway then we wouldn't have sites like this nor be debating on the moments that occur. It's not a harem, but there is enough romantic tension in this book to warrant such debates. So we know any and all moments are not coincidental or done by "accident."

It's just...well, take a step back for a moment and imagine Naruto without the romance moments. To think this is one of the greatest and yet worst aspect of this manga because love is such a topic that has great depth. Not all stories have love in it, but introduce love and love tension and you start to humanize the characters. They become more relatable. It makes them more than just characters on a page and makes them almost real. It is an interesting thing to see people get so interested in such a thing that you could have sworn Naruto was a real person simply because of this.

Of course pairing wars have existed since the comics of old. One of the oldest Wars is Superman and Lois Lane or Superman and Wonder Women or Wonder Woman and Batman. Even now with the new 52, I see fans both love and hate how Superman and Wonder Woman are together because they felt WW should be with Batman. Is it not at all different from what we do here and it has been occurring even longer than this one. One joy of the American comic books is that since artist continue the series you can have many series where the pairings can change and offer a different view.

Imagine if manga was like that. Imagine the first Naruto series had NS in the end. Then another mangaka comes in, reboots it, and has NH become the canon in that version. Naruto remains similar, as do all other characters, but the story changes and events go a different route.

What is a more interesting reality is that if you really think about it, a good deal of us would not be as passionate for this manga if no romantic tension existed. Some might even say they hate romance, but willing to argue over this. Unlike Dramas where love tension happens every 15 minutes, this has tension occur every so often showing that the hero doesn't just fight the bad guys, but also fights real world problems. Maybe that's why we find this so interesting because it is so realistic in that aspect.

It makes me think and take a step back to look at it. To those who think the "romance" is not there I have to question them because well, it is more than just subtle advances or playful interaction. It can become serious at times and to ignore it or deny it exists in some form is to be kind of being ignorant to it. Not stupid, but blind to it. So you know the next time you meet someone who says that Sakura's advances are just platonic love, I would love to ask them "then why do you feel threatened by them" or "Why would you even bring it up at all?" If it is important enough to bring it up, then it has to be something.

You wouldn't be as passionate about something if it didn't exist in that reality.

It's just all interesting to me to see people behave the way they do about some thing and it makes me wonder if there really was nothing there, would you still be standing here?

Sorry, I was deep thinking again. I do that sometimes. Questioning existence and all. Not so much on "why," but more of trying to answer "how." (And yes, there is a difference.)

Sorry to bring it up here, but has anyone thought about Kishi inserting parallels of SasuKarin in MinaKushi?

I guess on a physical aspect it is there, but...I don't know. It doesn't have the same "warmth" if you know what I mean. Yeah...warmth. That's the word I want to use.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 02 May 2013 - 01:38 PM.

[Chatte]

I guess on a physical aspect it is there, but...I don't know. It doesn't have the same "warmth" if you know what I mean. Yeah...warmth. That's the word I want to use.

Yeh I know what you mean but if you look at it, the way it was for Kushina with falling in love with him after being saved by him, just as Karin, the facial expressions and everything, how for Kushina and Karin they both looked like the most amazing ninjas, so on and so forth., It's like the gaps that aren't filled by NS are filled by SK.

[Branden]

Sorry to bring it up here, but has anyone thought about Kishi inserting parallels of SasuKarin in MinaKushi?


To be honest, I see a little parallel here too. The same facial expressions on Karin and Kushina and the smiley way Minato and Sasuke look at them. Dat Kishi, hiding hints here and there.

I sure as hell hope not..... Ever since 627 I stopped liking SasuKarin and started disliking Karin. Karin is even worse than Sakura with her crush on Sasuke, to even think about comparing SasuKarin to the beautiful lovestory that was MinaKushi is just sickening! SICKENING!

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yeh I know what you mean but if you look at it, the way it was for Kushina with falling in love with him after being saved by him, just as Karin, the facial expressions and everything, how for Kushina and Karin they both looked like the most amazing ninjas, so on and so forth., It's like the gaps that aren't filled by NS are filled by SK.

She fell in love because of his comment on her hair, she even states "most importantly he liked my hair".

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 May 2013 - 01:50 PM.

[Chatte]

Myeah, anyway, I am gonna leave it away. It was just a quick one but anyway...

[James S Cassidy]

Yeh I know what you mean but if you look at it, the way it was for Kushina with falling in love with him after being saved by him, just as Karin, the facial expressions and everything, how for Kushina and Karin they both looked like the most amazing ninjas, so on and so forth., It's like the gaps that aren't filled by NS are filled by SK.

Ehhh....Karin's part yeah, but Minato seemed to really like Kushina at that time. Sasuke doesn't even remember that incident at all or shows no hint of it. Nothing for nothing, but wouldn't Sasuke remember something like that? I wouldn't say it is a full blown parallel simply because Sasuke and Minato are nothing alike and Sasuke is just too cold to me. He doesn't have that same glow Minato has and while Karin finds his heroics note worthy, it's...weird.

Don't get me wrong, I see where you are coming from and from Karin's POV yeah I can see it, but as a whole I wouldn't call it a true parallel. That's just my opinion.

[Chatte]

Ehhh....Karin's part yeah, but Minato seemed to really like Kushina at that time. Sasuke doesn't even remember that incident at all or shows no hint of it. Nothing for nothing, but wouldn't Sasuke remember something like that? I wouldn't say it is a full blown parallel simply because Sasuke and Minato are nothing alike and Sasuke is just too cold to me. He doesn't have that same glow Minato has and while Karin finds his heroics note worthy, it's...weird.

Don't get me wrong, I see where you are coming from and from Karin's POV yeah I can see it, but as a whole I wouldn't call it a true parallel. That's just my opinion.

I know but if you think at it, all the parallels come more from the girl's POV. Granted, with NS is quite different.

[Canadian_DJ]

just read inferno's last LAP and he said Sakura is not in love woth Naruto ATM. What do you guys think???

Personally i would say she is but hasn't come to accept/realize it (Due to sasuke preoccupying her mind when it comes to romance)

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Im still catching up and this might be off topic but, for those of you who think sakura doesn't love naruto yet is complete BS, and thats a fact, I mean how much more evidence from the manga must kishi put forth? Why keep going in circles guys? Sakura confessed her feelings but lied about not caring about sasuke, she gavr logical reasons to start loving sasuke and logical reasons to stop loving sasuke-and for gods sake what sai said was wrong cuz if she really went to kill sasuke out of love (seriously? Sai didnt read this out of a book) then why didnt she kill sasuke? Because she cares about him, but she doesnt love sasuke anymore, kishi even said in his interview that sakura was being honest, and if you deny that then......:| thats BS, sorry for ranting all of a sudden but I just needed to clear this up.

Sakura has already gotten over her feelings for sasuke, it just needs to be adressed in the manga.

[StrikerTheNoble]

This

Im still catching up and this might be off topic but, for those of you who think sakura doesn't love naruto yet is complete BS, and thats a fact, I mean how much more evidence from the manga must kishi put forth? Why keep going in circles guys? Sakura confessed her feelings but lied about not caring about sasuke, she gavr logical reasons to start loving sasuke and logical reasons to stop loving sasuke-and for gods sake what sai said was wrong cuz if she really went to kill sasuke out of love (seriously? Sai didnt read this out of a book) then why didnt she kill sasuke? Because she cares about him, but she doesnt love sasuke anymore, kishi even said in his interview that sakura was being honest, and if you deny that then......:| thats BS, sorry for ranting all of a sudden but I just needed to clear this up.

Sakura has already gotten over her feelings for sasuke, it just needs to be adressed in the manga.

Lol That book should be discontinued.

The guide to killing for love. When you are trully in love with a person who is not perfect you should kill them for their own sake.

[StriderC]

True but it should have stopped after the first time. Naruto learned his lesson after his first encounter with an enemy ninja, Sakura only learned hers near the end of part 1. She simply didn't try hard enough to get stronger, and she didn't have the mental strength to fight like a shinobi should. If she put in more effort after the Zabuza arc then this wouldn't be a problem. In fact if she did then she would likely have become an expert in both medical ninjutsu and genjutsu.

That's not entirely her fault considering she didn't have anyone to train her in Part 1. Kakashi sure as hell didn't given he spent his time training Sasuke and Naruto had Jiraiya. Sakura didn't have anyone but eventualy she got Tsunade. I don't think she would of sought out Genjutsu even though she was supposedly a genjutsu type.

As for the hate in Part 1, I never hated her because, I don't hate characters, and she wasn't as annoying as people made her out to be. In fact, Naruto actually was quite annoying in Part 1, but he was tolerable for me. I still liked his character a lot. Sakura wasn't as abusive as people made her out to be, and I can't understand how one gets upset at her confession to Sasuke no matter how selfish it was... but whatever.

[James S Cassidy]

I know but if you think at it, all the parallels come more from the girl's POV. Granted, with NS is quite different.

Honestly, I think our definition of parallels is different. Yeah, there is a lot of parallels when it comes to the female POV, but it's not the only thing that makes it a parallel in my eyes. It's not enough to me to label a parallel solely based on Karin's face. Otherwise, any situation could be considered a parallel.

I do want to be very careful when it comes to parallels because so many make so many claims that it is hard to tell what is a real parallel and what is just a fabrication of the mind of what we want to see.

Given enough time, I probably could make SK and NH look parallel.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Actually, what I mean is is that if Kishi chose not to write any romance at all nor have any character exhibit love in anyway then we wouldn't have sites like this nor be debating on the moments that occur. It's not a harem, but there is enough romantic tension in this book to warrant such debates. So we know any and all moments are not coincidental or done by "accident."

It's just...well, take a step back for a moment and imagine Naruto without the romance moments. To think this is one of the greatest and yet worst aspect of this manga because love is such a topic that has great depth. Not all stories have love in it, but introduce love and love tension and you start to humanize the characters. They become more relatable. It makes them more than just characters on a page and makes them almost real. It is an interesting thing to see people get so interested in such a thing that you could have sworn Naruto was a real person simply because of this.

Of course pairing wars have existed since the comics of old. One of the oldest Wars is Superman and Lois Lane or Superman and Wonder Women or Wonder Woman and Batman. Even now with the new 52, I see fans both love and hate how Superman and Wonder Woman are together because they felt WW should be with Batman. Is it not at all different from what we do here and it has been occurring even longer than this one. One joy of the American comic books is that since artist continue the series you can have many series where the pairings can change and offer a different view.

Imagine if manga was like that. Imagine the first Naruto series had NS in the end. Then another mangaka comes in, reboots it, and has NH become the canon in that version. Naruto remains similar, as do all other characters, but the story changes and events go a different route.

What is a more interesting reality is that if you really think about it, a good deal of us would not be as passionate for this manga if no romantic tension existed. Some might even say they hate romance, but willing to argue over this. Unlike Dramas where love tension happens every 15 minutes, this has tension occur every so often showing that the hero doesn't just fight the bad guys, but also fights real world problems. Maybe that's why we find this so interesting because it is so realistic in that aspect.

It makes me think and take a step back to look at it. To those who think the "romance" is not there I have to question them because well, it is more than just subtle advances or playful interaction. It can become serious at times and to ignore it or deny it exists in some form is to be kind of being ignorant to it. Not stupid, but blind to it. So you know the next time you meet someone who says that Sakura's advances are just platonic love, I would love to ask them "then why do you feel threatened by them" or "Why would you even bring it up at all?" If it is important enough to bring it up, then it has to be something.

You wouldn't be as passionate about something if it didn't exist in that reality.

It's just all interesting to me to see people behave the way they do about some thing and it makes me wonder if there really was nothing there, would you still be standing here?

Sorry, I was deep thinking again. I do that sometimes. Questioning existence and all. Not so much on "why," but more of trying to answer "how." (And yes, there is a difference.)

Ok, I see what you mean. Well, I do think the outcome is predictable. The only thing I'm worried is how he will handle the closure, because you can't just rush it. This needs like a chapter of itself. I mean they did it for Sakura's confession that lasted 2 chapters or 1 chapter and a half. Pretty big for a pairing drama, don't you think? Heck, we got a cliffhanger on a pairing drama. Anyway, I'm only worried on how he's going to make it an impact. I guess you can say Naruto's speech is being hyped as we speak.

Sorry to bring it up here, but has anyone thought about Kishi inserting parallels of SasuKarin in MinaKushi?


To be honest, I see a little parallel here too. The same facial expressions on Karin and Kushina and the smiley way Minato and Sasuke look at them. Dat Kishi, hiding hints here and there.

Perhaps, though it is more to NaruSaku, but I won't argue with this. I'm just still bewildered to see Sasuke's smile that's not Naruto. What? Uzumaki has the power to make you feel "new"? But seriously, I just think Kishi likes the whole girl dominates the guy in daily life and according to Kushina, that seems to be the case (won all arguments except last).