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[ramenanmitsu]

Let's think of the things he copied.

Super duper bloodline-Dragonball
Rokudou Sennin-Dragonball
Rival-Slam Dunk
Fighting the big bad with former enemy/rival -Dragonball
Love triangle-Slam Drunk
Chuunin Exams-HxH
Chakra Paper-HxH
Best friend tortured by brother-HxH
Akatsuki-HxH

To be honest....I can find ANY idea that was completely original. Everything is rip off one or the other.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 11 February 2015 - 04:57 AM.

[Atheck]

Lol the chakra paper was definitely a copy of Togashi's.

 

Ramen! Good to see you. Could you maybe tell us what the general mood and discussions are about on 2chan, please? 

[AHK]

Let's think of the things he copied.
Super duper bloodline-Dragonball
Rokudou Sennin-Dragonball
Rival-Slam Dunk
Love triangle-Slam Drunk
Chuunin Exams-HxH
Chakra Paper-HxH
Best friend tortured by brother-HxH
Akatsuki-HxH

Sasuke- HxH
Orochimaru- HxH
Gai's Eighth Gate air step- One Piece
A's/3rd Raikage Lightning high speed movement- HxH

[RyohkiFan]

You can't have everything
 
Everything

Yes I can

[Gaara's hair]

Yes I can

[ramenanmitsu]

Ramen! Good to see you. Could you maybe tell us what the general mood and discussions are about on 2chan, please?

  
I don't go there anymore. Because I don't really care about NARUTO all that much. I'm only here to see my friends.

Sasuke- HxH
Orochimaru- HxH
Gai's Eighth Gate air step- One Piece
A's/3rd Raikage Lightning high speed movement- HxH

Orochimaru was definitely based off on Irumi AND Hisoka.
Sasuke is a mixture of Rukawa from Slam Dunk and Killua I think.

[RyohkiFan]

Yes I can

[AHK]

I don't go there anymore. Because I don't really care about NARUTO all that much. I'm only here to see my friends.
Orochimaru was definitely based off on Irumi AND Hisoka.
Sasuke is a mixture of Rukawa from Slam Dunk and Killua I think.

Yeah, that's the impression I got off of Orochimaru.
I've never seen Slam Dunk so I can't really say anything regarding that, but what makes you say Killua? The first thing I though of after watching HxH was that Kurapika was exactly the same as Sasuke, backstory, character traits, and eye powers all in one. Although, the "in the older brother's shadow" definitely fits both Killua and Sasuke, now that I think of it.

[Atheck]

  
I don't go there anymore. Because I don't really care about NARUTO all that much. I'm only here to see my friends.

 

Really? Well would you still be willing to help with translations here on H&E when the spin-off and the next movie are released? 

[ramenanmitsu]

Yeah, that's the impression I got off of Orochimaru.
I've never seen Slam Dunk so I can't really say anything regarding that, but what makes you say Killua? The first thing I though of after watching HxH was that Kurapika was exactly the same as Sasuke, backstory, character traits, and eye powers all in one. Although, the "in the older brother's shadow" definitely fits both Killua and Sasuke, now that I think of it.

Oh yeah true. Kurapica's revenge and backstory is very similar to Sasuke. By Killua, I meant about the brother feud and the friend(Naruto/Gon) that saves them from darkness.

Lol seems like Kishi rips off not one but TWO characters for a single Naruto character.

Really? Well would you still be willing to help with translations here on H&E when the spin-off and the next movie are released?

I doubt it. I'm mostly busy with my work. I'm here today because I have a holiday.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 11 February 2015 - 05:20 AM.

[Change]

He's also friends with the guy who created HxH and still didn't learn anything about character development.

Geez he's surrounded by people who are great writers yet he turned out to be complete kitten.

Didn't Oda kind of talked down about Kishi in a roundabout kind of way?

Well how old is the interview, because around the end of November Oda apparently said "No matter how great the series, it doesn't get the cover for final chapter. Gotta love Jump for sticking to its guns"(got it from one piece bay)
Now was Naruto the only manga that ended around that time?

He disowned Kishi after the ending U_U

It'll be funny if he really did

I want you guys to take a look at this. Its somewhat related to Naruto, but mainly writing in general and what happens when fandom gets involved, as in really involved. (Found this in a Sonic forum in a somewhat similar BS).
 
http://amazonpoodle....-of-whats-going

I heard the sonic fandom is toxic, especially the pairing fandom. In so scared of clicking the link lol

Edited by TheMagicConch, 11 February 2015 - 05:22 AM.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

^They can't be worse than NaruHina fandom. 

[Derock]

I heard the sonic fandom is toxic, especially the pairing fandom. In so scared of clicking the link lol

 

The link isn't scary. Its just something important for those who want to be an author.

 

As a Sonic fan (universal), I hardly be involved in the pairing fandom (I'm SonAmy but I respect the others. I lost one ship in the comics because of an ex-writer who doesn't want to move on).

[RyohkiFan]

Geez he's surrounded by people who are great writers yet he turned out to be complete kitten.
Well how old is the interview, because around the end of November Oda apparently said "No matter how great the series, it doesn't get the cover for final chapter. Gotta love Jump for sticking to its guns"(got it from one piece bay)
Now was Naruto the only manga that ended around that time?
It'll be funny if he really did
I heard the sonic fandom is toxic, especially the pairing fandom. In so scared of clicking the link lol

There's a pairing fandom in Sonic? Since when?

[AHK]

Oh yeah true. Kurapica's revenge and backstory is very similar to Sasuke. By Killua, I meant about the brother feud and the friend(Naruto/Gon) that saves them from darkness.
Lol seems like Kishi rips off not one but TWO characters for a single Naruto character.
I doubt it. I'm mostly busy with my work. I'm here today because I have a holiday.

  
I hadn't even thought of the Gon/Killua relationship. Good point.

Lol yeah, looking back, I can't help but doubt Kishi's ideas and their genuineness.

Geez he's surrounded by people who are great writers yet he turned out to be complete kitten. Well how old is the interview, because around the end of November Oda apparently said "No matter how great the series, it doesn't get the cover for final chapter. Gotta love Jump for sticking to its guns"(got it from one piece bay)
Now was Naruto the only manga that ended around that time?It'll be funny if he really didI heard the sonic fandom is toxic, especially the pairing fandom. In so scared of clicking the link lol

The link isn't bad, it talks about authorship and fan engagement.

[Sedna]

There's a pairing fandom in Sonic? Since when?

Nowadays there's a pairing for everything.

[RyohkiFan]

Nowadays there's a pairing for everything.

I didn't expect Sonic to have one though lol

[Change]

^They can't be worse than NaruHina fandom. 

Probably not, but who knows nowadays

 
The link isn't scary. Its just something important for those who want to be an author.
 
As a Sonic fan (universal), I hardly be involved in the pairing fandom (I'm SonAmy but I respect the others. I lost one ship in the comics because of an ex-writer who doesn't want to move on).

Hmm sounds like a good post(just read the first paragraph would read the rest later)
Interesting, what do you mean by "he doesn't want to move on"

The link isn't bad, it talks about authorship and fan engagement.

Somebody should probably send this to kishimoto

Nowadays there's a pairing for everything.

Lol I was going to say that

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

I think NaruHina has the worst fandom ever. 

[Derock]

Hmm sounds like a good post(just read the first paragraph would read the rest later)
Interesting, what do you mean by "he doesn't want to move on"
 

 

Well, long story for Archie Sonic comics shorten to a couple of paragraphs:

 

Long story as I can type

We had this writer for the Sonic comics named Ken Penders. During the time, his most notable work was working on the Knuckles comics, expanding his adventures and giving him new characters and stories. However, it wasn't hyped as it was because it was full of family drama, rushed romance, and tons and tons of sci-fi references (Star Trek especially), all of it not in tune with the Sonic stuff. 32 issues later, the spin-off was cancelled and the Knuckles stories were backups for Sonic comics for the time. Because of his stuff with Knuckles, he planned out this "epic future" story. Thing about that was he making Knuckles was holding the spotlight (bad idea because this is Sonic) in terms of defeating Dr. Eggman and everything was all about the echidnas.

 

A couple of years and issues later around 2003-4, we had gotten the future story as a backup. Sadly, Knuckles was the star along with his daughter, him and Sonic were not buddy-buddy, and it was all about sleepovers, sweet sixteens, unnecessary stuff. And in the main stories, most of his stuff were basically character assassinations, especially for Sally, plus doing a lot of foreshadowing to the point that the plot doesn't go anywhere and was saved for later.

 

(Back then, the comics wasn't doing well. Many of the stories was filled with soap opera drama, boring and unnecessary plots. Many fans perceived the issues around 50-159, the Dark Ages. Though there were some good ones, but that was from other writers).

 

Anyway, the story was cut. Around issue 160, he quit. Reason I saved for later. And we gained a new writer, Ian Flynn, who is a fan. Long story short, he fixed up mostly everything that went wrong and brought the lore of the Sonic games to the comics. That made the comic books gain better attention and recognition. Meanwhile, BioWare (the game company) asked Sega to use the Sonic license to create a game called Sonic Chronicles around 2008. Why I mention this game? Get this, the developers were Sonic fans and used the comics and the stories as inspirations but hadn't used the actual characters in the game. They were inspired by Penders' lore and creations (technology obsessed echidnas -The Dark Legion-). Ok that sounds fine and dandy, right?

 

NOPE!  Well, someone on the webs told Penders that the game "ripoff" his works (which they didn't, they were expies). And he started these lawsuits like crazy. He wanted to sue Sega and BioWare, now owned by EA, for "royalties". Meanwhile, he started to copyright stories from the comics, majority of them has titles starring the official Sonic characters like Amy and Shadow. Archie began to sue him but then, BS was going on in the court, resulting of, get this: he now LEGALLY own characters (though his creations but many of them were based on the Sonic characters' designs, especially Sonic and Knuckles) that are from an IP of a parent company. That resulted the comics had to erase the characters was owned by him currently in the story (241-44), one of them I liked was Julie-Su who was Knuckles' girlfriend, but has a terrible backstory. When the Sonic and Megaman crossover stuff was over, the comics had to reboot the series.

 

Now since Penders owned his creations (why?), he had claim to start this new series starring Knuckles' daughter, Lara-Su. But he keeps going back and forth like crazy, saying it doesn't tie to Sonic yet it will. Majority of talks was that he wants Archie to beg him back to the series, deleting Flynn's stuff, trying to reclaim his word of God bs and wants his future story canon and the true ending for the comics with lots of contradicting BS along the way.

 

Basically,  the reason I said he doesn't move on because he want to stay relevant since the comics was his "income".  He developed some interesting stuff and characters, but he can't write for kitten. Not to mention he draws badly and used stock images for backgrounds.