
H&E's NaruSaku Debate Thread!
#18461
Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:15 PM

#18462
Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:25 PM
Oh my God, you're right! How could I not see it when it was there all along? I've been such a fool.

Somebody should just call Kishi and force him to answer once and for all the mystery of Sakura's age. The future of the world depends on it.

Edited by redragon88, 30 April 2013 - 07:25 PM.
#18463
Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:27 PM

Somebody should just call Kishi and force him to answer once and for all the mystery of Sakura's age. The future of the world depends on it.

Ikr! Tis the simplest answer and the most obvious one! Lmao I would die if kishi gave the exact same answer.

#18464
Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:28 PM

That moment belongs to the couple in Chikara. I would be laughing so hard because it would show the difference between holding hands to show support and to hold hands in order to symbolize love.
It's funny because if that was the hand holding that 615 presented instead, I would have reconsider, but the one we got is no difference from Fairy Tail last chapter before time skip. But, because she's a girl, Naruto is a guy, she loves him, he does not, we have to auto assume that they are getting together as lovers. I mean if Naruto does move on, shouldn't he hold her in her palm, not the other side? Oh well, nothing can do.

#18465
Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:34 PM

That moment belongs to the couple in Chikara. I would be laughing so hard because it would show the difference between holding hands to show support and to hold hands in order to symbolize love.
I would actually be ok with the manga closing like this if there wasn't a kiss, and it'd DEFINITELY tell us that they're canon. I mean, the locking of fingers, and such can only signify love between those two, and it wouldn't be one overwhelming the other like Naruto>Hinata and their hand holding. It'd be both of them. Hell, Chikara actually has a really awesome couple, and even though we didn't delve into their relationship toooo much given it was only 5 episodes, we got enough to where I actually appreciated both of them and I do wish they all were canon characters to be perfectly honest. The best filler characters IMO.

#18466
Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:39 PM
It's 6 episodes and yes, I do think this is the best filler arc that the studio ever produced. It made me care for them, especially for that guy who felt so guilty about the past and the more you learn about that incident, the more you feel bad for him. For the record, there will be a director cut version coming soon to DVD. I hope it's on the ending, because that's the part I really wished to see more than "You did it, Naruto!". I want Naruto/Sakura to have a closing moment with them.
#18467
Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:40 PM
It would remind me of the nonsensical answers Oda, author of One Piece, sometimes gives about the readers' questions. For example:
Reader: How is Zoro able to speak when he has a sword in his mouth?
Oda: It's his heart speaking!
When I heard that I was like WTF?

#18468
Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:41 PM
Second bolded: Doubly Absolutely. Honestly, when Minato gets there, I hope that he kicks his idiot son's ass to hell and back for being an even bigger idiot than he was. I've always had the notion Minato is where Naruto gets his obliviousness about love. You combine that with Kushina's ditzy personality, and you get one very, very bad combination

Naruto seriously needs some lessons from his old man about being a shinobi casanova

And Kns.
It's not his fault actually Naruto only witnessed Sakura struggling for Sasuke's affection this is the reason why he think she can only loves him and deeply cares about him, think about the part where Naruto reachs Sasuke on part 1, for me that pretty much showed up that he also hates Sasuke because of the pain that he mades her going though, also to conclude, Naruto never witnessed Sakura struggling because of him, he never saw her efforts towards him(because he's fainted every time) and when he was almost going to realize that, Sai pulls out that she was doing that because she loves Sasuke.
The parts were Sakura shows affection towards him he always gets surprised like she's doing something that he never expect for her to do with him.
Example : Sakura feeding me? Sakura hugging me? and etc.. he always shows a surprised reaction.
Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 April 2013 - 07:42 PM.

#18469
Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:44 PM
Reader: How is Zoro able to speak when he has a sword in his mouth?
Oda: It's his heart speaking!
When I heard that I was like WTF?


Now that's how you answer the question!
It's not his fault actually Naruto only witnessed Sakura struggling for Sasuke's affection this is the reason why he think she can only loves him and deeply cares about him, think about the part where Naruto reachs Sasuke on part 1, for me that pretty much showed up that he also hates Sasuke because of the pain that he mades her going though, also to conclude, Naruto never witnessed Sakura struggling because of him, he never saw her efforts towards him and when he was almost going to realize that, Sai pulls out that she was doing that because she loves Sasuke.
The parts were Sakura shows affection towards him he always gets surprised like she's doing something that he never expect for her to do with him.
Example : Sakura feeding me? Sakura hugging me? and etc.. he always shows a surprised reaction.
Yeah, it's like if a boy sees his love interest kissing someone (though the other guy came to her), he will be heart broken. Once he leaves, the girl finally reacts to the kiss and tell him what the hell are you doing. Pretty much, you don't know a person completely from seeing it. Seeing is not believing. Not to mention that he always come in the time where you can say he doesn't wants to see. It's just the way of life.
Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 30 April 2013 - 07:46 PM.
#18470
Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:46 PM
Reader: How is Zoro able to speak when he has a sword in his mouth?
Oda: It's his heart speaking!
When I heard that I was like WTF?

Wow!! LOL That's actually a pretty damn crazy answer. I'm sure that one had quite a few people "WTF"-ing and laughing their ass off. If Kishi pulled that one when it comes to age, I'd be dying.
NS4life
Oh? Where did you hear about this, and yes, it's the best filler as well. The quality animation added to it for sure, but the story was really nice also. The story was pretty fresh for the anime, and the characters were very likable IMO. My one and only problem with it was the ending. It was so adrupt, but everything else was ahmazzing!

#18471
Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:46 PM
Now if we have a cynical view of Sakura we could argue she's doing this to manipulate Naruto into getting Sasuke back for her by using his feelings for her as leverage. Him thinking about Hinata and the romantic feelings behind the promise could jeopardize her chances of getting Sasuke back. This could be true only up to the confession when she decides to take care of Sasuke herself. She could have revealed then and there that Hinata loved him and that he was being selfish and insensitive by spurning her feelings. Instead she says nothing of the fact and even cries for Naruto because she caused him pain.
Now even after that there are people saying the promise was dissolved and Naruto wants Sasuke back only for his own reasons. Why doesn't Sakura bring up Hinata and her strong feelings for him then? Because she is cold and ruthless and doesn't want Naruto or Hinata to have happiness if she can't? I think not. It has already been proven many times that she is not that kind of person.
What this says to me is that Sakura is protective and maybe even jealous of Naruto's feelings. She doesn't need to show any outward jealousy towards Hinata because she already knows that Naruto doesn't feel for Hinata in that way. Sakura's expression as she's healing Hinata however indicates that she is worried that maybe if she doesn't come to terms with her feelings soon, Naruto might begin to see Hinata in a different light.
#18472
Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:50 PM
Now if we have a cynical view of Sakura we could argue she's doing this to manipulate Naruto into getting Sasuke back for her by using his feelings for her as leverage. Him thinking about Hinata and the romantic feelings behind the promise could jeopardize her chances of getting Sasuke back. This could be true only up to the confession when she decides to take care of Sasuke herself. She could have revealed then and there that Hinata loved him and that he was being selfish and insensitive by spurning her feelings. Instead she says nothing of the fact and even cries for Naruto because she caused him pain.
Now even after that there are people saying the promise was dissolved and Naruto wants Sasuke back only for his own reasons. Why doesn't Sakura bring up Hinata and her strong feelings for him then? Because she is cold and ruthless and doesn't want Naruto or Hinata to have happiness if she can't? I think not. It has already been proven many times that she is not that kind of person.
What this says to me is that Sakura is protective and maybe even jealous of Naruto's feelings. She doesn't need to show any outward jealousy towards Hinata because she already knows that Naruto doesn't feel for Hinata in that way. Sakura's expression as she's healing Hinata however indicates that she is worried that maybe if she doesn't come to terms with her feelings soon, Naruto might begin to see Hinata in a different light.
i dont believe that Hinata is an obstacle for NS because she knew that and still made the confession she knows that Naruto love her, and this is more an obstacle for SS, because she knows that Naruto loves her, and it's confirmed by kishimoto himself that she cares more about Naruto then Sasuke, also if she thinks "Hinata deserves you more" it's already stupid by nature, since she doesnt have legit reasons to pull off a thinking or a comment like that, if she thinks like that why she would has feelings for Sasuke like on 540?
Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 April 2013 - 07:50 PM.

#18473
Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:02 PM
NS4life
Oh? Where did you hear about this, and yes, it's the best filler as well. The quality animation added to it for sure, but the story was really nice also. The story was pretty fresh for the anime, and the characters were very likable IMO. My one and only problem with it was the ending. It was so adrupt, but everything else was ahmazzing!
I heard it from NF and the guy said it will have the director edition, never before seen in broadcast, as well as making of and a booklet. I guess they really love their work. I would be proud if it came out well and it did. The ending is the only downside because I feel like it needed a final closure. Yes, the filler characters did have a closure, but I think Naruto/Sakura should have one with them like "Thank you for everything" or something. I mean they were with them for the whole mission. But instead, we got a karate flick ending: end the boss, thumbs up, end.
Now if we have a cynical view of Sakura we could argue she's doing this to manipulate Naruto into getting Sasuke back for her by using his feelings for her as leverage. Him thinking about Hinata and the romantic feelings behind the promise could jeopardize her chances of getting Sasuke back. This could be true only up to the confession when she decides to take care of Sasuke herself. She could have revealed then and there that Hinata loved him and that he was being selfish and insensitive by spurning her feelings. Instead she says nothing of the fact and even cries for Naruto because she caused him pain.
Now even after that there are people saying the promise was dissolved and Naruto wants Sasuke back only for his own reasons. Why doesn't Sakura bring up Hinata and her strong feelings for him then? Because she is cold and ruthless and doesn't want Naruto or Hinata to have happiness if she can't? I think not. It has already been proven many times that she is not that kind of person.
What this says to me is that Sakura is protective and maybe even jealous of Naruto's feelings. She doesn't need to show any outward jealousy towards Hinata because she already knows that Naruto doesn't feel for Hinata in that way. Sakura's expression as she's healing Hinata however indicates that she is worried that maybe if she doesn't come to terms with her feelings soon, Naruto might begin to see Hinata in a different light.
That what I said about Sakura. The hug was not necessary from Sakura and we all know that. She could have done what Nami did with Luffy back in Arlong Arc, and it would be a-ok. But no, the hug scene happened with people creating the romantic atmosphere. Why? I'm not complaining but stuff like this shows a purpose. Every media shows this scene as a significant point of the main plot, regarding with Naruto. Hell, none of the later event should even happen. Oh well. I have to wait.
I guess the best way to see where she stands with Hinata is to have Hinata kiss Naruto, accident or not, but it won't happen. If she reacts in a comedy way with no jealousy, then she approves. If she reacts in a drama way with heartbroken look, then she definitely loves Naruto. Oddly enough, a girl can still feel like she doesn't like the guy, but the thing is if she's reacting this way, then that means she doesn't know what she truly feels. It happens a lot. That's why I believe if Yamato would have finish the sentence, it would have a huge effect on Sakura than Sai. Sai helped, but ironically it didn't because now she's placed on not worthy of him side. Their next drama interaction can return when the moment arrives (Sasuke's situation). So time will tell I guess.
#18474
Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:13 PM
Exactly. This post was just to show that Sakura does have feelings for Naruto beyond mere friendship.
Hinata could be a problem in Sakura's eyes because of Hinata's obvious concern and affection for Naruto. She could be worried that if she doesn't show Naruto she loves him then Hinata might seize the opportunity and get Naruto to see her in a more romantic light. And maybe Sakura does think Hinata deserves him more but is unwilling to play matchmaker for the two because of her own feelings. I don't believe this is a problem for NaruSaku because I have full faith that Naruto is still in love with Sakura.
#18475
Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:18 PM
Hinata could be a problem in Sakura's eyes because of Hinata's obvious concern and affection for Naruto. She could be worried that if she doesn't show Naruto she loves him then Hinata might seize the opportunity and get Naruto to see her in a more romantic light. And maybe Sakura does think Hinata deserves him more but is unwilling to play matchmaker for the two because of her own feelings. I don't believe this is a problem for NaruSaku because I have full faith that Naruto is still in love with Sakura.
While it's not canon, I find it funny that Sakura got jealous of Hinata getting close with Naruto in that High School special. Even when everyone was laughing, Sakura wasn't. It's hard to say if she's intimidated by Hinata, but we do know that it didn't please her. I think Kishi keeps finding a way to show her feelings for Naruto that it's more than meets the eyes.
#18476
Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:29 PM
If we go by the not canon stuff I think it's overwhelmingly clear that Sakura loves Naruto. In fact I think that's why a lot of that stuff exists. The manga is mostly serious with moving the plot along and chronicling Naruto's growth while Sakura is missing from much of it. The anime and movies give us fanservice moments and just Naruto and Sakura being together. Kishimoto is too serious about his manga to fill it full of romance, yet even so the most poignant boy/girl scenes happen between those two.
#18477
Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:34 PM
It's really clear. It's just that like I said, I wish someone was to tell her how she really feels, so the quest will be a lot shorter. But again, that's no fun. That's why Yamato's line got cut off. It's funny because if you know Kishi's writing style, you'll know that moment was going to be huge. So much, the background disappeared and only leaves were floating around, which usually means a shocking point. But that all went back to normal when Naruto woke up. That said it's all about the adventure and that's where the story lies within.
#18478
Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:35 PM
Hinata could be a problem in Sakura's eyes because of Hinata's obvious concern and affection for Naruto. She could be worried that if she doesn't show Naruto she loves him then Hinata might seize the opportunity and get Naruto to see her in a more romantic light. And maybe Sakura does think Hinata deserves him more but is unwilling to play matchmaker for the two because of her own feelings. I don't believe this is a problem for NaruSaku because I have full faith that Naruto is still in love with Sakura.
The problem with NS isn't Sakura or Sasuke, it's Naruto himself. Because of his obsession for Sasuke he can't see the bigger picture that Sakura loves him and she has chosen him above Sasuke. The ball has been on Naruto's side of the court since Sakura's confession he has to figure out how much she loves him and what she's willing to go for him. Sakura has already chosen him for a long time and she doesn't have to push herself on him, it's Naruto the one who has to push himself to Sakura and tell her how he feels period.
#18479
Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:43 PM
It's both, Naruto is not to blame since Sakura did a lot of stuff right in front of his eyes and proved to him that she really loves Sasuke, no matter how Naruto hates the way that Sasuke treated Sakura, first part was her desperate hug at the bridge, then the hospital scene and the final blow was her selfish confession, which makes him hate Sasuke because the suffering he cause to Sakura.
And when Sakura display those things for him he's fainted, like the bridge scene, and even the confession were Sai suddenly pulls off that she's doing that because she loves Sasuke.
And with Sakura is her innability to perceive that Sasuke is not the type for her, the "thank you" was mere a illusion she thinks that deep inside there's a "nice" and "warm" Sasuke, it's like the thank you was a display that Sasuke's cold attitude is just a shield that inside he's a nice guy like Naruto.
It's all based on wishfull thinking, she thinks that someday he might change and became a nice guy and affective but what she doesnt realized is that she's not the girl and that Sasuke has his own team and there's other girls that also want his affection and love him for the same reasons as her, that someday he might return to team 7 and they could be like that again, but what she didnt realized is that the old days would never come back because Sasuke has his own "team 7".
Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 April 2013 - 09:06 PM.

#18480
Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:51 PM
Also since then we had the feeding scene, the hug scene, the confession and all were initiated by Sakura of her own free will. So we can assume that maybe Naruto should show some honesty towards his feelings and at least confess his feelings to her. But that's highly unlikely he is fixed on the idea that Sakura loves Sasuke and maybe would feel disappointed that she would give up on Sasuke. He still has that image of her asking him to get Sasuke back for her livid in his mind and even thou maybe the promise isn't a burden to him but because of Sasuke, the others may call him a hero and a great man but he doesn't feel like one. He is willing to give up his dream of being Hokage all because he can't fix Sasuke issues. In a way sounds selfish, but seeing what Madara and Hashirama, and even the conflict between Kakashi and Obito it feels like if he doesn't patch up things with Sasuke their conflict would destroy the entire world.
We probably won't see another of those strong NS moment until the end of war, just that if we are looking at Kishi track record it will be even more major than the confession. Or maybe not the confession but at least the hug.
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