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[TouKen4Life3g]

Not all movies, let alone anything, can meet its demands. DBZ latest movie failed to meet 4 billion yen, so why all the sudden Naruto got a major shot. It has a chance, sure, but if it fails, it fails.

[Toasty Warrior]

So how the kitten is this Momoshiki someone Kaguya feared? I thought Kaguya was the original last bad guy before Toneri showed up, but I guess Kishimoto has to make sure the female characters are weaker then all the guys, so this is where this Momoshiki and Lurch come in.

[Atheck]

Also, only a few went to the screening just to inform others of how it went and still didn't like it

 

Not that early screenings are all too important. We underestimated the potential earnings of TL, believing that it would collapse into failure so incredibly that it would have one of the lowest financial profits of any in the series, at least lower than RtN's, and yet the final turnout saw it earn over 2 billion Yen, iirc.

 

Personally, I'm not going to underestimate this film's ability to ensnare potential viewers like before. I expect it to at least reach 3.0 on the YJ review site with a profit margin somewhere between RtN and TL's. 

Edited by Atheck, 27 July 2015 - 12:52 AM.

[Nostradamus]

I'll be honest when I saw the chapter title True End that was my biggest indication that NS and SK would be canon. Especially since they were pralleling each other from like Panel to Panel. That's what still drives me nuts to this day. 

 

It's weird for me to say this, but I use to that NS and SK were like the Renton x Eureka and Dominic x Anemone of Naruto; For those who've seen Eureka Seven you know exactly what I mean when I say this.  They were just perfect for one another and hey unlike NaruSaku and SK who should've been canon at the very least the two main pairings in Eureka Seven actually did become canon.  

The same. When I saw the title for that chapter and how it was, it was a clear sign of the future. It was obvious as hell. However since the ending; I have this feeling that Kishi called it The Real End because we lost control and couldn't write the ending that we wanted. So in the end he left us a clue to what were his real intentions. Of course we can just be over thinking it all but the truth is all the things that happened after the ending make no sense. It's all wrong.

And no matter what lies they say about how they planned this from the very beginning, the more stuff that comes out the more we see it wasn't planned at all. The cat is slowly getting out of the bag.

[Namaenash]

 
Not that early screenings are all too important. We underestimated the potential earnings of TL, believing that it would collapse into failure so incredibly that it would have one of the lowest financial profits of any in the series, at least lower than RtN's, and yet the final turnout saw it earn over 2 billion Yen, iirc.
 
Personally, I'm not going to underestimate this film's ability to ensnare potential viewers like before. I expect it to at least reach 3.0 on the YJ review site with a profit margin somewhere between RtN and TL's. 

Yes, I got the same take on this. Let's not underestimate the potential viewers.

At least now we know one measurements of success from the producer: At least 2 million viewers (judging from the freebies they are willing to give).

Correction a bit on statistics: The Last didn't made it to 2 billion yen marks in Japan (as of end of December 2014). It made ~1.75 billion yen, or roughly USD 14.76 million by that time (source: https://en.m.wikiped...aruto_the_Movie). Less than half of what Metantei Conan latest movie made...

The difference this time? This movie will be a true measurements on how many have decided to stay supporting the series and the author, versus how many have left. In addition to how many new viewers started to pick up this series...

[redrose3443]

Naruto will most likely always have a following, but many seemed to have moved on, with how bad the ending is. I think it will do the same as a regular Naruto movie.( though maybe with less profits because this animation is of a higher quality, plus advertisements.)

 

It all depends how many people still care enough to actually pay for the movie.

[James S Cassidy]

Am I the only one wondering why the hell Naruto, the guy with a crap ton of stamina (plus a big  demon fox inside him giving him it's chakra ) is exhausted due to a normal day of work? I mean, the guy didn't get "tired" when he was fighting for his life back in the war and now he is tired because he's been moving a lot and doing things a normal mayor does? 

 

This movie is a joke

 

Oh, and of course there would be a good reaction from the early screening because most people there are of course, people who still associate themselves with the series

At this point, there are way too many inconsistencies, unanswered questions, and plot holes to start listing....and the pile keep getting bigger too.

The only question I have left to really sum it all up is this

 

"What's the point?"
 

The same. When I saw the title for that chapter and how it was, it was a clear sign of the future. It was obvious as hell. However since the ending; I have this feeling that Kishi called it The Real End because we lost control and couldn't write the ending that we wanted. So in the end he left us a clue to what were his real intentions. Of course we can just be over thinking it all but the truth is all the things that happened after the ending make no sense. It's all wrong.

And no matter what lies they say about how they planned this from the very beginning, the more stuff that comes out the more we see it wasn't planned at all. The cat is slowly getting out of the bag.

Man, I really hope this is the truth.


 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 27 July 2015 - 02:15 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Not that early screenings are all too important. We underestimated the potential earnings of TL, believing that it would collapse into failure so incredibly that it would have one of the lowest financial profits of any in the series, at least lower than RtN's, and yet the final turnout saw it earn over 2 billion Yen, iirc.

 

Personally, I'm not going to underestimate this film's ability to ensnare potential viewers like before. I expect it to at least reach 3.0 on the YJ review site with a profit margin somewhere between RtN and TL's. 

    You forget The Last isn't a financial failure because it didn't make money it that it didn't make enough money. Have you every read gaming news where games sold millions of copies but were still consider a failure because they didn't sell enough? RnT was a success because while it only made about 12 million dollars it only cost to make it was about 4 million. They as far as we know put 12 million dollars if not more into The Last production and were barely able to break even. When they originally hoping the last would be this huge international money maker to make back any money they put into it if not more. Instead SP had to lower the quality of their anime shows to handle the financial lost. As far as we know they desperate for Bolt to be a success because they are still reeling from their financial losses. Once again not a failure because it didn't make money but it didn't make enough money.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 27 July 2015 - 03:09 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Yes, I got the same take on this. Let's not underestimate the potential viewers.

At least now we know one measurements of success from the producer: At least 2 million viewers (judging from the freebies they are willing to give).

Correction a bit on statistics: The Last didn't made it to 2 billion yen marks in Japan (as of end of December 2014). It made ~1.75 billion yen, or roughly USD 14.76 million by that time (source: https://en.m.wikiped...aruto_the_Movie). Less than half of what Metantei Conan latest movie made...

The difference this time? This movie will be a true measurements on how many have decided to stay supporting the series and the author, versus how many have left. In addition to how many new viewers started to pick up this series...

By the time it left the theaters in Japan it made about $16 mil then made a couple hundred thousands in a few countries.

[rocci]

that healing and punching mooks are side characters duty.
 
in kishi's story the heroine have a duty to fail for drama's sake.
 
which is worse?

I don't think healing and punching mook is a side character duty.

[Bail o' Lies]

http://www.boxoffice...=lastnaruto.htm Huh The last was shown in Russia at some point and made about $429,000.

[Narufan85]

Speaking of "The Real End," Tricksie has made a pretty convenient case for this being Kishi's real ending. I'm sold!

[LuckyChi7]

The same. When I saw the title for that chapter and how it was, it was a clear sign of the future. It was obvious as hell. However since the ending; I have this feeling that Kishi called it The Real End because we lost control and couldn't write the ending that we wanted. So in the end he left us a clue to what were his real intentions. Of course we can just be over thinking it all but the truth is all the things that happened after the ending make no sense. It's all wrong.

And no matter what lies they say about how they planned this from the very beginning, the more stuff that comes out the more we see it wasn't planned at all. The cat is slowly getting out of the bag.

 

 

I couldn't agree more. 

 

This is the only thing that I hope is the real truth. 

[Bail o' Lies]

Wait how would that item Bolt use to mimic lighting jutsu be consider cheating? It's a weapon. The rules seemed very loose on what you can use as long as you don't have another person helping you in battle. Wouldn't it be consider to be a good thing to use weapons like to surprise you're opponent and give you the edge or something?

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 27 July 2015 - 03:21 AM.

[rocci]

Wait how would that item Bolt use to mimic lighting jutsu be consider cheating? It's a weapon. The runs seemed very loose on what you can use as long as you don't have another person helping you in battle. Wouldn't it be consider to be a good thing to use weapons like to surprise you're opponent and give you the edge or something?

You dare questioning kishi logic?


Yeah, it should be encourage ninja to use it more. It's a tool, not a person.

Edited by rocci, 27 July 2015 - 03:15 AM.

[harry4e]

So um....the movie basically shows Naruto as a bigger loser than the genin tests where he got himself tied to a log? Seriously he can fight an entire army with multiple S class enemies, dies get revived in a 24 hour period without sleeping, yet a bit of paperwork gets causes him to collapse? I'm sure Shizune said he also had a habit of fainting as well.

 

Boruto spends the whole time wanking over Sasuke making him another person who fall for Sasuke for no reason whatsover? Cheats dispite getting training from his dad, Konohamaru (who i'm guessing taught him Rasengan) and Sasuke)

 

Hinata is a housemaid. Sakura is...still a fangirl?

 

The enemies that Kaguya created an army for seem to be weaker than Kaguya.

 

Orichimaru is Mitsuki's mother or father or both, Seriously the son of the most notirious criminal is allowed in the same team as two children that have DNA of families he has shown interest in? Yeah that makes sense....typical Kishi the bigger the criminal the more he tries to make them out to be a hero.

 

think about it, Kaguya actually appears to be doing what she was for a noble reason, yet she's portrayed as a heartless kitten, yet Madara, Obito, Orichimaru are all made outto be misunderstood villains.

 

I didn't think the movie could sound worst than the Last but from the spoilers, Boruto sounds like it makes the Last look like an oscar winning movie.

Edited by harry4e, 27 July 2015 - 03:25 AM.

[Nostradamus]

Man, I really hope this is the truth.
 

To quote well myself " When you take in consideration how disconnected the movie is from the actual manga, it’s not really that farfetched to say that Kishi was doing his manga while SP were busy doing the movie, and one day the two collided. SP showed him the movie and Kishi was like "What is this?" and SP's answer was "Well we already did the movie so STFU and adapt to it.” And Kishi being the coward that he said “Ok” and went along with it. I mean for God’s sake they went to the moon.  In the movie Konohamaru has blue eyes, he has blue eyes. Konohamaru doesn’t have blue eyes."

 

 

Speaking of "The Real End," Tricksie has made a pretty convenient case for this being Kishi's real ending. I'm sold!

I believe she was the first one that saw that name and theorize that it was Kishi's message. Don't quote me on this one because I can't remember everything.

 

 

I couldn't agree more. 

 

This is the only thing that I hope is the real truth. 

Time will tell. Sooner or later the truth will come out.

[harry4e]

Wait how would that item Bolt use to mimic lighting jutsu be consider cheating? It's a weapon. The rules seemed very loose on what you can use as long as you don't have another person helping you in battle. Wouldn't it be consider to be a good thing to use weapons like to surprise you're opponent and give you the edge or something?

 

Yup using a Ninja Dog is allowed, using performance enhancing drugs is legal, using a weapon to enhance your element is allowed, carrying a scroll with thousands of weapons sealed in side is allowed but a element mimicking weapon is not allowed...that makes so much sense...not.

 

This is obviously a rule written by the pure blooded snobs who don't want their advanced bloodline limits be shown up by the latest technology.

[LuckyChi7]

Here is kinda a scene Ria and I wrote from our version of The Last if you guys wanna see it: 

 

 

A little moment from Scene 20: The Real idiot

They decided to take their time to walk back to Sakura’s place. She was wrapping her arms around his shoulder as he places his hand around her waist. While doing so the pink haired kunoichi lays her head against The blonde Uzumaki’s shoulder. She could feel the warmth coming from his body as they kept walking slowly as a normal boyfriend and girlfriend would. She wouldn’t have imagined that the person she would be cherishing her time with was who she considered a loser and idiot during the idiot during their years in the Academy and when they were first put on team seven. It caused Sakura to giggle at those memories.

 

Naruto raises his eyebrow at her, “What’s so funny Sakura-chan?”   

 

“I’ve been the idiot this whole time.” The pink haired kunoichi answered in calm tone as she blushes at the thought.

 

“You’re not an idiot, I am. I always tend to mess up things whether it was intentional or unintentional.” The blonde Uzumaki explains.

 

Sakura shaked her head, “That’s not what I mean Naruto.” She tightens the grip on his shoulder, “I’m referring to how I was in the beginning, and the more I think about it the more I realize how much of a brat I was. All I ever thought about back then was Sasuke, and doing that made me a hindrance to the team. With that mentality I kept caught in the danger causing you to risk your own life for my own sake.” Her eyes drifted towards the look on his face, “But you know that promise you swore to me all those years ago, I’m glad it wasn’t fulfilled in the end.”

 

“You think it was a good thing?” Naruto asked.

 

“Of course, your failed attempt at bringing Sasuke back that day started to realize who you really were.” The pink haired kunoichi continued, “From the time you returned to Konoha I kept watching over you, your weakness, determination, and adirmation I saw what made you tick and just how far you were willing to go to accomplish your goals. That’s why on that day when Sasuke attacked at The Five Kage summit I did it because I wanted to protect you and by extinguishing the burden of the promise I gave you, but I couldn’t I made things complicated because I felt I could handle Sasuke on my own.” While doing so tears were beginning to fall from her face, “Yet I couldn’t bring myself to do it because that memory still stuck with me it was hard for me to get over, but just like before you saved me. You were always there for me from the beginning.”

 

The blonde Uzumaki wipes the tears from her face, “Sakura-chan I felt like a jerk on that day, I hated people who lied to themselves, and yet I kept thinking you were still in love with him. That proves yet again how much of an idiot I truly am.”    

 

“You’re wrong dummy, I’m the real idiot here.” Sakura kindly argues with Naruto, “After all I didn’t fully realize how much you meant to me until you were on the verge of death during The Fourth Great Ninja War. I don’t know what would’ve happened if I had lost you.”

 

He slightly chuckles as he faces Sakura opposite from where he is standing, “You’re the real reason I’m still alive today, if you hadn’t kept my heart circulating then I don’t know how things would’ve turned out in the end.”

 

His response glows Sakura’s cheek as she places her hand on his cheek, “You’re the best guy a girl would’ve ever want.” She could feel his hands wrapping around her as they leaned in for a kiss.

A smile came on Naruto’s face as he broke off from it, “That means alot to me Sakura-chan, Thank you.”

[Bail o' Lies]

To quote well myself " When you take in consideration how disconnected the movie is from the actual manga, it’s not really that farfetched to say that Kishi was doing his manga while SP were busy doing the movie, and one day the two collided. SP showed him the movie and Kishi was like "What is this?" and SP's answer was "Well we already did the movie so STFU and adapt to it.” And Kishi being the coward that he said “Ok” and went along with it. I mean for God’s sake they went to the moon.  In the movie Konohamaru has blue eyes, he has blue eyes. Konohamaru doesn’t have blue eyes."

 

 

I believe she was the first one that saw that name and theorize that it was Kishi's message. Don't quote me on this one because I can't remember everything.

Time will tell. Sooner or later the truth will come out.

If i were to guess Bolt movie was probably original just going to be about Bolt training for and taking the chunin exam in order to get his father's notice. In order to do that he asked Sasuke to take him as an apprentice and from there we go. But after all the negative reactions they been getting they kept editing it by adding it a new villain, adding more focus to Sasuke, and adding more action scene in general till eventually it became an action movie with a heavy Sasuke focus that take up much of the screen time.

 

So for the truth I think Kishi has got increasingly bitter over the months and if Bolt flops he may eventually just reveal the truth out right.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 27 July 2015 - 04:03 AM.