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[Branden]

Were getting off topic! YES! this actually makes me quite happy.

so for thsoe of you who havnt read my poorly written fanfiction, I had this idea that the way Sasuke would become good again is once he dies and confronts Itachi in the afterlife, kind of like Kakashi did. It is then that Naruto gets the rinnegan and revives him.

[Transformers03]

HEY CHEER UP, HAVE FAITH LOOK AT NARUTO DOES HE EVER GAVE UP? NO HE DOESN'T, DO NOT GAVE UP UNTIL THE VERY END!!!!

It was never about faith, it was about logic and how I interpreted the manga. But thank you anyways.

I just noticed, every time there's a "princess" in a Naruto movie her personality pattern is always the same. At first she hates or distrust Naruto and as the movie goes on she warms up to him. From what I remember:

- Original Movie 1: The actress princess didn't 't like him and hated that Naruto was constantly asking for an autograph, but at the end she gave him one in a photo of her giving him a kiss in the cheek. That was sweet of her.

- I dont' think movie 2 and 3 had any "princesses" but I haven't seen them anyway

- Shippuden Movie 1: Has Shion (this has been the worst offender) she starts hating Naruto's guts and mocking him with her predictions of him dying, but by the end of the film she develops such a huge crush for him (in such a short time) that she even indirectly proposes to bear his children.

- Shippuden Movie 2: Has Amaru, the girl disguised as a boy, who at one point got so pissed of with Naruto that she even slapped him in the face, but by the end of the movie she jumped after Naruto, who was falling from the sky, and took hold of him tenderly as both fell. It was implied she might've gotten a crush on Naruto but it was left pretty ambiguous. I want to add that this is the same movie that had Naruto holding Sakura tenderly after some monster attack and she got so shocked that she slapped him and trembled a little. I guess realizing that Naruto is now becoming a man makes her very nervous.

- Shippuden Movie 3: No princess here, but as discussed, in exchange we got Sakura spending a lot of time with Naruto. We got those scenes of her slapping him because she was concerned for his safety, then again for the same reasons when he sneaked out of the hospital while looking at him tenderly from behind and praising his healing abilities. She later breaks him out of jail and near the climax of the movie there that comment of Sai about women becoming stronger when they fight for the men they love, but I think Sakura told him to shut up before he got to the love part.

-Shippuden Movie 4: Has Sara, the stubborn princess who thanks Naruto for rescuing her from a lethal fall by slapping him (poor naruto sure gets slapped a lot ) but by the end of the film she became extremely sadden when Minato explained that her memories of Naruto would be erased for the sake of not altering the past. I don't think this one developed a crush for Naruto but at the very least became very fond of him. Something to note is the Sakura got slightly annoyed when they encountered Sara's daughter in the present and Naruto mentions he might've seen her in a dream. Sakura ended up pulling his ear and calling him a pervert for a dream. Oh Sakura, you just jelly that Naruto wasn't dreaming about you.

- Shippuden Movie 5: I haven't seen all of the movie but from what I gather Ryuzetsu, the "princess" for the movie, wasn't too fond of the attitude Naruto was taking in the prison and wanted him to be more serious about it. I saw a scene where she even slapped him (again, what's with every women slapping Naruto? ) when Naruto though she was an okama (transvestite) instead of a girl when her gender was exposed. Midway she reluctantly formed an alliance with him, but by the near end she willingly sacrificed herself twice for Naruto's sake. The first one was when she put herself between Naruto and the claw of the giant monster villain that was about to stab Naruto, he was also stabbed but to a lesser degree thank to Ryuzetsu. The second one was when she used a special technique to revive Naruto who had dying because of said stab wound and she did it knowing that using the technique would come at the cost of her life. As with Sara I'm sure that she didn't develop a crush on Naruto but became extremely fond of him.

Whether they develop romantic feelings or not for Naruto it seems that every girl always follows the same pattern of at first disliking but eventually warming up to Naruto. I talked about this because, whether intentional or not from the makers of this movies, it seems people are fond of the idea of Naruto working hard to earn the trust of each new girl he encounters instead of that trust simply being given to him immediately. It seems that kind of story of earning the trust of the girl has a special appeal in Japan.

This is why I truly believe that Sakura will be Naruto's final girl, because he worked hard to get her affection. He never gave up on liking her and that caused Sakura to little by little change her opinion of Naruto. In the majority of the animes I've seen, there's always a preference for the girl that isn't that fond of the main character in the beginning but warms up to him as he works hard to gain her affection. That's the very reason the stereotype of tsundere is one of the most, if not the most, popular in Japan.

This turned out to be longer that expected, I hope I can get some feedback and opinions on this.

COINCIDENCE..........................................................possibly.

Here's a question, I notice there's actually quite the few Narusaku moments in these movies, is that a coincidence?
Has there been any Naruhina moments in these films?

[Jake]

And also, I was thinking. How exactly can Sasuke be paired with anyone except Karin? I'm not saying they have a romantic relationship but what I will say is that both of them are criminals. Unless Ino/Sakura/Hinata/Whatever decide to betray Konoha to run off with a fugutive then how can he be with anyone else? I really don't see how Sasuke can return to the leaf at this point.

For once I couldn't agree more with you, I mean at this point if Sasuke were to go back to Konoha then he would probably be thrown in prison.

[redragon88]

For once I couldn't agree more with you, I mean at this point if Sasuke were to go back to Konoha then he would probably be thrown in prison.

People have discussed before that if Sasuke lives by the ending he might be proclaimed dead or missing. From then on a redeemed Sasuke will spend his life working to assist Naruto in creating world peace from the shadows and being a wanderer of the world.

Just like Branden said the only girl that seems to be a match for Sasuke as of now is Karin. If Sakura got together with Sasuke I think she would act in a very submissive way, it would be regressing to her part 1 persona instead of how confident she is in part 2.

One of the reasons I think Sakura is better off with Naruto is that she can be herself around him. She's never afraid to let her opinion be know with Naruto but when it comes to Sasuke she isn't that open when it comes to challenging him.

Karin, on the other hand, seems like the kind of girl that can act loving toward Sasuke but at the same time let her opinion be knowing if he's doing something wrong. Karin can always remain aggressive and opinionated with Sasuke (therefore having the back and forth needed in a good relationship) while Sakura would just be accepting of what he says (making the relationship very one sided when it came to personalities).

If by the end of the series Sasuke does indeed become a wanderer I don't think Sakura would be suited to travel with him, after all she has a lot of friends and family in the village. On the other hand Karin seems about perfect and while she travels with Sasuke she could try to find the remaining members of the Uzumaki clan who are scattered around the world.

Edited by redragon88, 30 June 2012 - 06:18 AM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Were getting off topic! YES! this actually makes me quite happy.

so for thsoe of you who havnt read my poorly written fanfiction, I had this idea that the way Sasuke would become good again is once he dies and confronts Itachi in the afterlife, kind of like Kakashi did. It is then that Naruto gets the rinnegan and revives him.

Surelly, it can't be any worse than my NS trilogy fanfic series. Trust me, if you read the first five chapters. You will rethink the above I'll get to your fic in the library, when I have the chance.

[Gravenimage]

I guess it's a matter of perspective but I always thought that Ron and Hermione's dynamic was very similar to Naruto and Sakura's. So i wasn't shocked when it was building up to them becoming a couple.

I'm talking about Harry/Ginny the whole pairing that didn't got a thing of development throughout the story. Just like that Harry fell for her from out of nowhere.

[Don-kun]

I'm talking about Harry/Ginny the whole pairing that didn't got a thing of development throughout the story. Just like that Harry fell for her from out of nowhere.

From the moment she kisses Harry I always thoughtshe be the one to be with him.

But with Ron I notice the outcome with him and Hermione in the first movie, the second movie expand it a little more, when harry got kiss by the other it made even more obvious.

I guess it makes sense to have Harry/Hermione, but my problem with that pairing is that just like in Naruto series, Naruto was always focusing on Sakura when there were kids, Ron did the Same Harry didn't hate Hermoine but Ron clearly shows that he did have some feelings for her while Harrry care for both of them equally.

Ginny was the don't bother Harry, she did show that protectiveness with him but Harry already liked another girl, what happen later with her I cannot explain since the 4th movie was the last one I saw.

I can only speak for Ron and Hemione since I notice the relation from the start.

[Dalton.T.R]

It was never about faith, it was about logic and how I interpreted the manga. But thank you anyways.



COINCIDENCE..........................................................possibly.

Here's a question, I notice there's actually quite the few Narusaku moments in these movies, is that a coincidence?
Has there been any Naruhina moments in these films?

I think bonds had one. Not sure. But it's always NaruSaku or Naru/princess at the end.

[Transformers03]

I think bonds had one. Not sure. But it's always NaruSaku or Naru/princess at the end.

Hmmmmm.........................
So these movies, often or not, will either have Narusaku moments or Naruto with a princess of some kind. Now, I don't know if Kishi actually watches the movies (or the anime for that matter), but I know he sometimes takes part in making them, like the recent Road to Ninja one. Seeing how they either give Naruto a moment with Sakura, or some random girl, do you think that is just a coincidence? And if those Narusaku moments mostly came from the anime studio, why wouldn't he just tell them to stop because he is not going make them get together? Same for the anime, they show us a lot of Narusaku hints (more than Naruhina that's for sure), and if he had problem with that, why wouldn't he ask them to stop it? But they never stopped, in fact in the anime it showed that Naruto was still in love with Sakura, despite her confession and Hinata's confession.

Yet again, if he had a problem with these Narusaku moments in the show, why wouldn't he just make them stop it if didn't already plan for them to get together? If he was planning for Naruto and Hinata to get together, why wouldn't he suggest to them, or make them, have more Naruhina moments?

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Hmmmmm.........................
So these movies, often or not, will either have Narusaku moments or Naruto with a princess of some kind. Now, I don't know if Kishi actually watches the movies (or the anime for that matter), but I know he sometimes takes part in making them, like the recent Road to Ninja one. Seeing how they either give Naruto a moment with Sakura, or some random girl, do you think that is just a coincidence? And if those Narusaku moments mostly came from the anime studio, why wouldn't he just tell them to stop because he is not going make them get together? Same for the anime, they show us a lot of Narusaku hints (more than Naruhina that's for sure), and if he had problem with that, why wouldn't he ask them to stop it? But they never stopped, in fact in the anime it showed that Naruto was still in love with Sakura, despite her confession and Hinata's confession.

Yet again, if he had a problem with these Narusaku moments in the show, why wouldn't he just make them stop it if didn't already plan for them to get together? If he was planning for Naruto and Hinata to get together, why wouldn't he suggest to them, or make them, have more Naruhina moments?

Because Hinata is not the main female protagonist. Sakura is.

[Transformers03]

Because Hinata is not the main female protagonist. Sakura is.

Exactly, if Hinata fans claim that she is SO important, why doesn't she have a bigger role in these films or filler episodes?
All of this just shows me how insignificant Hinata is to the overall plot, why should we care SO much about her if her overall role is hardly ever going to play into anything significant into the plot of the story? (The blood vow thing, and the confession are the only times I could remember when she actually did something important)

[ninja_salamander]

I don't think NS has any kind of danger from Hinata at all! I never ever saw NH coming, for me it was always between NS and SS and it still is.

The biggest problem for NS will be sakura's feelings which I hope kishi will definitely make in favor of Naruto until kishi again shows his favoritism towards UCHIHAS.

NH can talk whatever they want but NH can only happen if SS happens and then also its chances will be bleak since if kishi makes Naruto go to hinata or any other girl he will be contradicting Naruto's ninja ways, which is the last thing I think anyone including me wants to see. For me even if Naruto doesn't get sakura I will like him to be shown to still hold romantic feelings for sakura.

Edited by ninja_salamander, 30 June 2012 - 07:47 PM.

[Dalton.T.R]

I don't think NS has any kind of danger from Hinata at all! I never ever saw NH coming, for me it was always between NS and SS and it still is.

The biggest problem for NS will be sakura's feelings which I hope kishi will definitely make in favor of Naruto until kishi again shows his favoritism towards UCHIHAS.

NH can talk whatever they want but NH can only happen if SS happens and then also its chances will be bleak since if kishi makes Naruto go to hinata or any other girl he will be contradicting Naruto's ninja ways, which is the last thing I think anyone including me wants to see. For me even if Naruto doesn't get sakura I will like him to be shown to still hold romantic feelings for sakura.

Hinata has never been considered as a character to me.

1: She has barely any screen time
2: She has no purpose
3: She's selfish
4: She can't fend for herself, which is really bad for a ninja
5: Her own father thinks she's weak
6: Her fanbase is a joke
7: She's just flat down useless
8: She doesn't even believe in herself OR Naruto for that fact
9: You can't talk about Hinata without bringing up NaruHina
10: She's not independant

She's just kind of there in the background all the time. Really, what would happen to the plot if she died? Nothing. But her fanbase would go breserk. All she's used for is just money. That's it. No tallent, no skill, no back bone, zero confidence...she's just...useless. That's all I can call her. Doesn't even bother to think about anyone else but Naruto. Kind of makes me wonder if she'd care if one of her own squad mates went down. She's just a money bag for Kishi. Nothing else.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Exactly, if Hinata fans claim that she is SO important, why doesn't she have a bigger role in these films or filler episodes?
All of this just shows me how insignificant Hinata is to the overall plot, why should we care SO much about her if her overall role is hardly ever going to play into anything significant into the plot of the story? (The blood vow thing, and the confession are the only times I could remember when she actually did something important)

However, Kishi is giving NH shippers a reason to troll, with that scene stating that she's going to hold Naruto's hand after the war.

@Dalton: Please refrain from character bashing.

Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 30 June 2012 - 08:43 PM.

[Transformers03]

However, Kishi is giving NH shippers a reason to troll, with that scene stating that she's going to hold Naruto's hand after the war.

@Dalton: Please refrain from character bashing.

The fact that she said she wants to hold his hand in her thoughts makes me think that it is NOT going to happen because it would be like the author telling us what will happen after the events of the story. He wouldn't tell us what's going to happen next unless something goes wrong, or doesn't go as plan.

[sushi.]

The fact that she said she wants to hold his hand in her thoughts makes me think that it is NOT going to happen because it would be like the author telling us what will happen after the events of the story. He wouldn't tell us what's going to happen next unless something goes wrong, or doesn't go as plan.

That has nothing to do with the previous comment.

[Paptala]

The fact that she said she wants to hold his hand in her thoughts makes me think that it is NOT going to happen because it would be like the author telling us what will happen after the events of the story. He wouldn't tell us what's going to happen next unless something goes wrong, or doesn't go as plan.

For me, that scene is greatly hindered by the fact that Kishimoto has failed to show ANY non-platonic feelings from Naruto towards Hinata, despite having multiple opportunities for Naruto to do so (Sakura's confession - given that so many fans seem to think that Naruto compared it to Hinata's confession; getting back from the summit to eat ramen; after Kushina's comment about girls; when he saved Hinata from zetzu). No blush, no words to indicate reciprocation - even his smile is generic as it can possibly be to her. Kishimoto has shown us how Naruto looks and acts around someone he's in love with (look at how he looks at Sakura in 245 and 246 after she punches she ground).

The complete lack of non-platonic reciprocity, the fact that NaruHina is 99% about Hinata's character and feelings, just makes it incredibly difficult to believe that even with Hinata's new found confidence in pursuing Naruto romantically that NH will be endgame.

[Dalton.T.R]

However, Kishi is giving NH shippers a reason to troll, with that scene stating that she's going to hold Naruto's hand after the war.

@Dalton: Please refrain from character bashing.

Sorry, but that was the only way to say it.

[Dalton.T.R]

The fact that she said she wants to hold his hand in her thoughts makes me think that it is NOT going to happen because it would be like the author telling us what will happen after the events of the story. He wouldn't tell us what's going to happen next unless something goes wrong, or doesn't go as plan.

True, stories kind of have a way of taking themselves over some times.

[Transformers03]

For me, that scene is greatly hindered by the fact that Kishimoto has failed to show ANY non-platonic feelings from Naruto towards Hinata, despite having multiple opportunities for Naruto to do so (Sakura's confession - given that so many fans seem to think that Naruto compared it to Hinata's confession; getting back from the summit to eat ramen; after Kushina's comment about girls; when he saved Hinata from zetzu). No blush, no words to indicate reciprocation - even his smile is generic as it can possibly be to her. Kishimoto has shown us how Naruto looks and acts around someone he's in love with (look at how he looks at Sakura in 245 and 246 after she punches she ground).

The complete lack of non-platonic reciprocity, the fact that NaruHina is 99% about Hinata's character and feelings, just makes it incredibly difficult to believe that even with Hinata's new found confidence in pursuing Naruto romantically that NH will be endgame.

I agree 100% with this post. Kishi has never shown anything that Naruto may like Hinata more than a friend, yet he has implied that Sakura may have feelings that are more then friendship for Naruto. Of the three main pairings (Narusaku, Naruhina, Sasusaku) Narusaku is the only one that shows the one of them my actually like the other. I never remember seeing Sasuke thinking of Sakura as more than friend, the same for Naruto to Hinata.

So why we are all arguing this, isn't it obvious that Narusaku has the best chance of happening? Why do fans deny the fact that Sakura may having feelings for Naruto that are more then being friends, when it has been implied in the series that she may be confused about her feelings for Naruto? (ex: Yamato's unfinished sentence, Sai's comment of how Sakura is gentle with Naruto, Sakura healing Naruto's hand and Naruto commenting he is happy, data book 3 where it clearly says that SHE IS CONFUSE FOR HER FEELINGS FOR NARUTO!!!!!!)