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#18321 Atheck

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:29 AM

You know Naruto's relationship with Sakura was always one of the best parts about his character. He just doesn't feel like Naruto to me once that part of him is gone. I can understand the hate towards him honestly.


As can I. When you discover that the author whom you have supported and followed so attentively for years admits that the aspects of the story written that you loved were just poorly situated smoke and mirrors intended to give false hope so you could continue reading, you can't help but feel some measure of disappointment, even resentment for being manipulated so harshly. But I would prefer we direct our anger towards Kishi himself instead of Naruto because he's the one orchestrating these turns of events behind the scenes.

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#18322 ramenanmitsu

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:31 AM

So much ill feeling over the lack of Kakashi and Sasuke exposure in the movie. They may be popular characters with consistently active involvement in the combat elements of the manga, but there are so many other faults, injustices, and inconsistencies to rail against with this movie. Naruto's inexplicable 180 degree turn in his personality, Hinata's horribly overbearing presence throughout the movie, and last but certainly not least, the heroine status - after so many years with Kishi having gone on-record as to defend Sakura's right to the status - being casually handed off to a girl who has never held the title and whose presence has spat on many years worth of narrative telling and emotional investments with the fans.
 
Edit: That is what everyone should be directing their frustration against, in my opinion.

That's because I posted the comments from Kakashi and Sasuke fans in my last post. You can see the anger of what you said in the thread.

The link is here.
http://nozomi.2ch.sc...vie/1417015140/
http://kanae.2ch.net...vie/1417479510/
http://kanae.2ch.net...vie/1417691393/
http://kanae.2ch.net...vie/1417845650/

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 06 December 2014 - 08:32 AM.

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:32 AM

That was a fake tweet by NH fans.

 

Ah then I curse that NH fan.  :down:


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:32 AM

As can I. When you discover that the author whom you have supported and followed so attentively for years admits that the aspects of the story written that you loved were just poorly situated smoke and mirrors intended to give false hope so you could continue reading, you can't help but feel some measure of disappointment, even resentment for being manipulated so harshly. But I would prefer we direct our anger towards Kishi himself instead of Naruto because he's the one orchestrating these turns of events behind the scenes.

Yep Kishi is obviously the one at fault here.


 


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:32 AM

*Sigh* I seriously wonder how the interview regarding Sakura at December 13th will work out. I just can't see a way for Kishimoto to get out of there intact.


OMG.

NO. I don't even want to bother reading over that interview. More spitting at his fans & more kitten coming out of his mouth.

like, EW. NO THANKYOU.

LOL save your kitten to yourself kishi! :zaru:

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:34 AM

OMG.

NO. I don't even want to bother reading over that interview. More spitting at his fans & more bullsh** coming out of his mouth.

like, EW. NO THANKYOU.

LOL save your bullsh** to yourself kishi! :zaru:

Yeah same here. More damage control and more of him saying how he was just misleading the fans.


 


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:35 AM

That's because I posted the comments from Kakashi and Sasuke fans in my previous post. You can see the anger of what you said in the thread.

The link is here.
http://nozomi.2ch.sc...vie/1417015140/
http://kanae.2ch.net...vie/1417479510/
http://kanae.2ch.net...vie/1417691393/
http://kanae.2ch.net...vie/1417845650/


It still seems like a fairly even ratio between the people griping over the lack of Kakashi and Sasuke screen time versus all of the other complaints (most being more legitimate and important, in my opinion) people are expressing regarding this movie.

Then again, I haven't read all of the comments. The point of discussion might have branched outward with these fans aching to spill out everything they despise with this movie other than a character's kill list or brooding time.

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:36 AM

You know, I was looking forward to that Mario one-shot as a legitimate seinen series if he hadn't jumped the gun... kitten, he probably mess that up too but even worse!


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:38 AM

Hear the angry cry of fans, mainly Kakashi and Sasuke fans who were led to buy the pre-sales tickets because they have the biggest fan base. If you want to post it on tumblr feel free but don't use my name.

10 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2014/11/27(木) 00:51:52.61 ID:XZI7yGuY.net[1/2]
特典ポスター詐欺なんて今までもそうだったろとは言うが、今までもそうだったなーうん納得したとはならん
特典もポスターもナルヒナにすりゃいいのに売れないからとか、売れないもんが最後の映画のメインになってるってことになるんだが

People say that the privileges fraud always existed but you don't go "Yeah, I accept it!" by that
They should have made all the privileges into NH but they say they can't because the tickets won't sell. But that means that they are making something that doesn't sell into the main of the movie.

9 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2014/11/27(木) 00:50:30.39 ID:nscdxXiE.net[1/2]
前売り詐欺酷過ぎるな公開されたらもっと大荒れする
ヒナタじゃ売れないとは分かってるから他キャラで詐欺
そのカプ厨の妄想二次創作レベルの気持ち悪い映画の否定意見に噛みつきまくる
ヒナタ萌え豚アニスタとナルヒナ厨のキチガイさが凄い
何度もレスし変えたり考え方も稚拙だし脳みそ厨から成長してないのか

The pre-sales ticket fraud is too horrible. If this movie airs it's going to become a bigger sh*tstorm
They know that Hinata doesn't sell so they use other characters and do fraud
And those pairing tards are keep on attacking on comments against this fanfic movie
The retardedness of Hinata moe anime studio and NH tards are amazing
They respond many times, change their IDs, and their thinking is so crappy.

13 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2014/11/27(木) 01:01:32.21 ID:RahE5U1w.net[1/5]
はあ、サスケの出番あれだけはないわ
何より結婚式ハブられてるし何かなあ
ナルトにとってサスケってそんなもん
サスケもナルトの結婚が嬉しくないのかよー
原作であれだけサスケサスケ言ってたのにさ
はぁ、後は見てからにする

What it's unacceptable that those are the only Sasuke scenes
Most of all they excluded him from the wedding
Was that all Sasuke was to Naruto? Even though he kept on saying Sasuke Sasuke in canon
Sigh, I'll continue after I watch it

14 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2014/11/27(木) 01:01:49.77 ID:uAxWieYX.net[3/11]
別に恋愛映画だろうがどうでもよかった
だがメインのナルトヒナタ以外脇役ってどういう了見
あんだけ前売りや予告でカカシサスケ見せといてそれかい
同期を始めとした他キャラは噛ませっぽいし
誰得だよこの映画

I don't care whether this is a romance movie or whatever
But why is every other character that isn't Naruto or Hinata gone to the side?
They kept on showing Sasuke and Kakashi in the pre-sales and this is what happens
Also the other rookies seem to be tools
Who is going to gain from watching this movie

16 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2014/11/27(木) 01:10:07.01 ID:QqW1CtpI.net[1/2]
ナルヒナキチガイから絡まれず解放されると思うと気が楽だわ
少しの批判にも噛み付いて、20レス以上うだうだ気持ち悪すぎ
原作の補完どころか矛盾を及ぼす映画で叩かれない方がおかしい

I'm so relieved that I won't get harassed by the retarded NH in this thread
They attack on any single comment that talks bad about the movie with more than 20 replies and it's sick
It doesn't make sense for the movie which not only doesn't compliment the canon story but disregards it not to be bashed

17 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2014/11/27(木) 01:12:17.50 ID:RahE5U1w.net[2/5]
予告詐欺は慣れちゃたよ
でも699話でああやって戻ってきたサスケとナルトの関係をチラッとも見せてくれないなんて
新しい関係が見れるって何だったの

I'm already used to this trailer fraud
But not showing anything between Naruto and Sasuke who returned in chapter 699
What was that about seeing a new relationship?

18 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2014/11/27(木) 01:13:32.36 ID:MB5kSHbS.net[1/3]
>>17
興味がない赤の他人ってことかな新しい関係

Probably by new relationship they mean strangers that don't care about each other

20 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2014/11/27(木) 01:15:36.62 ID:Bs7mKi9X.net[1/3]
ヒナタのマフラーよりサスケやカカシの戦闘シーンが見たいんだが
オールスターで良かったじゃん
これがナルト最後の映画とか勘弁してくれ
好きなだけに泣けてくる
恋愛映画じゃなくて七班や同期が活躍してる忍者映画見たいんだよ
ナルトはイルカ先生いただろ
無茶苦茶だわ

I want to see Sasuke and Kakashi's fight scenes more than Hinata's scarf
They could have made it Allstar
Please tell me that this isn't the last Naruto movie
I liked this story that it makes me want to cry
I want to see a ninja movie where team seven and the rookies are active instead of a romance movie
Naruto had Iruka
Everything is a mess

41 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2014/11/27(木) 07:48:43.46 ID:tq2FKdLE.net
特典をサスケカカシにしたなら
こいつらを使えば売れる出番があれば喜ぶ奴が大勢いるってことは分かってたわけだよな
それをわかった上で出番2分と文字通りのカカシにするって悪意すら感じるな

ポスターやメインビジュアルでもヒナタと同じ大きさでサクラや同期が書かれてて
最後だからと見に来る層は同じとはいかなくてもそれなりの活躍を期待したろうに
ヒナタにだけ原作にもなかった設定盛ってマフラー編みで無駄尺取って
他のキャラは添え物かカップル応援するだけの役で原作の謎は放置って
これ最後と銘打った映画でやることじゃないだろ

If they made the privileges Kakashi and Sasuke
They knew that if they used these two characters the movie will sell and many people will be happy
They knew this and they made Sasuke appear only for two seconds and that Kakashi scene.
I feel like they had ill intentions.

Even in the poster and the main visual the rookies were drawn in the same size as Hinata
The people who are going to watch the movie because it's the last would have expected more actions
They made only Hinata have some story that was not in canon and made her knit a scarf which was a waste of time
The other characters are just there like ornaments and they ignored the unresolved plot points of canon manga
This isn't something you do in a movie you call the last

82 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2014/11/27(木) 13:08:44.28 ID:w+e5iD3z.net
トリコといい水樹はここまでくると作品潰しのプロだな

Remembering Toriko, Mizuki is a professional in destroying stories

92 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2014/11/27(木) 14:03:58.01 ID:U3rzJwHh.net
サスケファンとカカシファンがかわいそうです、さすがに
前売りやグッズでお金使わせておいて登場時間が90秒とか棒立ちとか
ブックカバーの台詞もムリヤリ売る為に持ってきたと考えると笑える
ヒナタがメインでよくしゃべってるんだからヒナタグッズで作れば良かったんや

I feel so bad for Sasuke and Kakashi fans
They made the use money with the pre-sales and the goods but in the movie they only appear for 90 seconds
The comment on the book cover was forcefully brought in to sell it
Hinata is the main so they should have made Hinata goods

105 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2014/11/27(木) 15:49:19.72 ID:InkD70aJ.net
前売り詐欺だったな
前売りの時点はヒナタ押しの恋愛映画ってとこを隠してた辺り、
卑怯なアニスタ

しかし最後の最後でアンチ増やしまくった作品も珍しいな
もはや忍者漫画でもバトル漫画でもなくヒナタ豚専用の恋愛脳映画と化してしまった
堕ちたもんだなアニメスタッフ

What a pre-sales fraud lol
At the time of the pre-sale they hid that this was a romance movie forcing Hinata
Despicable anime studio lol

But a story that increases so many antis at the very last is very rare
This not a ninja manga or a battle manga but a romance obsessed movie for pig Hinata
How the anime staff have fallen

107 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2014/11/27(木) 15:53:38.37 ID:6tkpoiHn.net
ここまで悪質なセールスしてたら、たとえ試写の反応で多少は何かしらの
修正があったとしても、不評のままだろうな
前売り買い取り拒否された人達はほんとお気の毒だけど、一応鑑賞した後に
Yahooレビューにでも☆一個にして恨み言のひとつでも愚痴って許されるレベル

With such an ill intended way of sales, even though they fixed some parts due to the bad response from the people watching the screening, it would have ended badly
I feel bad for people who cannot get a refund
But they are allowed to watch the movie and give this movie one star and complain

117 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2014/11/27(木) 16:36:28.89 ID:BbBphfYG.net
この手の前売り詐欺って当たり前なの
ポスターに出て前売りグッズに出て
映画関連グッズには大体いるキャラの
登場時間が一分程度でセリフは一言だけとかさ
他の作品では当たり前なの

Are these kind of pre-sale fraud common?
All the characters that had the goods and the posters and the movie related products are only there for a minute
Is this normal in other stories?

131 見ろ名無しがゴミのようだ2014/11/27(木) 17:47:11.97 ID:CYDMDxDa.net
ID:w0pQVZBSはただの荒らしっぽいけどナルヒナ信者はマジで原作読んでない
当然原作との矛盾や性格の違いも気がつかないから専用スレでみんな喜んでるよ
原作も読まないでキャラの結婚だけ喜んで何がしたいのかよく分からんけど

NaruHina fans are really not reading the canon manga
Of course they won't realize the difference of personalities and settings with the canon version so they are happy in their own thread
I don't know what they want if they are only happy with their characters wedding and not reading canon



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#18330 ramenanmitsu

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:38 AM

It still seems like a fairly even ratio between the people griping over the lack of Kakashi and Sasuke screen time versus all of the other complaints (most being more legitimate and important, in my opinion) people are expressing regarding this movie.Then again, I haven't read all of the comments. The point of discussion might have branched outward with these fans aching to spill out everything they despise with this movie other than a character's kill list or brooding time.


That's because you're only reading the first thread. Besides there's too many comments there's no way you can count the ratio with a brief look. Even a Japanese like myself can't look at all the comments. There's simply too much. Each thread have different topics people are wanting to discuss about. For example, the third thread people are talking about how Naruto's VA is upset with the movie.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 06 December 2014 - 08:40 AM.

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#18331 Decius23

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:38 AM

Bah, i want Kishimoto to be so ashamed of what he did in the last 10 chapters that he completely redraws them and declares the movie as completely non-canon. :hm:


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:38 AM

You know, I was looking forward to that Mario one-shot as a legitimate seinen series if he hadn't jumped the gun... kitten, he probably mess that up too but even worse!

The dude is an amateur writer at best, from what I'm seeing. Naruto was his lucky claim to fame.



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:40 AM

4chan was right. This manga is kitten.

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:40 AM

Bah, i want Kishimoto to be so ashamed of what he did in the last 10 chapters that he completely redraws them and declares the movie as completely non-canon. :hm:

Not going to happen. He's going to stand by his kitten ending and try to justify it with more kitten. All we can do now is continue to ship NS, and refuse to support anymore of Kishi's future works.


 


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:43 AM

I know, i already wrote a little rant a few pages back on a few reasons why i think Naruto was/is so popular. And it REALLY hurts that Kishi destroyed that.


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:43 AM

Yeah, Kikitten doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would backtrack his work. He probably thinks of himself as a genius.



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:44 AM

I know, i already wrote a little rant a few pages back on a few reasons why i think Naruto was/is so popular. And it REALLY hurts that Kishi destroyed that.

Well I'd like to think it became popular because part 1 and early part 2 were actually really good. I think after his first editor was gone did it start to go downhill in the quality department.


 


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:45 AM

Yeah, Kikitten doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would backtrack his work. He probably thinks of himself as a genius.


/snort/

No kidding.

guy is obviously on crack. LOL

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:45 AM

Well here's my take on that:

 

Rant incoming!

 

You know, i think the biggest reason for the success of the manga were neither the characters nor the plot. Rather it was the world. Either knowingly or unknowingly he created a world that was nearly on par with the likes of 'Song of Ice and Fire', 'Star Wars' or 'Lord of the Rings' if not a bit contentless. But it had and has so much potential, the fanfiction is proof enough, to much, much more than even Kishimoto could have drawn with a thousand chapters.

Demons like kitsune, tengu or tsuchigumo, Daimyos and politics, vast chakraless armies of commoners led by chakrawielding samurai, cultural differences and similarities, horrors like human experiments and mutants, old repurposed legends (sannin), small ninja villages of foreign custom with strange techniques, vast unknown lands and countries, villains with different motives, and the list goes on and on.

 

And that's the tragedy Kishimoto caused, in making villains 'twisted but good' people, shying away from letting real humans fight to death (4th ninja world war), leaving the romance out to shrivel, introducing one-dimensional characters and not giving them development (Hinata) and many more (Sakura and Sasuke's development retconned) he stiffled the fandoms creative spirit and forced it into always the same routine (following canon) because the chapters after pain were less about the world as about a select few characters he made unnaturaly overpowered (Hashirama, Madara, Naruto, Sasuke, Kaguya). So instead of stories like 'Will of Foxfire' from Quill of Moliemon we always get identical fics about a neglected Naruto getting together with either a harem of older women (with incest of course) or with Hinata, instead of truly original fics like those of Case13 we get canon retelling no.40 and in place of openmindness of characters we have sensless hate thanks to an inept at character writing at the drawing board.

 

Instead of fully coloring the vast canvas he had of the world called 'Naruto', he painted those parts he needed for his story and build a rollercoaster, always following the same route only with a few twists and turns that fanfic writers are very hard pushed to break out from. And with the destruction of his plot and characters (the railroads and the vehicle if you will) he has a very good chance to let his fascinating world slink back into obscurity.

 

That dumbass should've concentrated on fleshing his world fully out instead of speeding ahead with one story in a possibly gigantic and amazing world , not caring what he leaves behind...for true fans to pick up.


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:49 AM

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