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#18321 HauntedCake

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:51 PM

Just been wondering, why would kishi put so much emphasis on SS in part 1, with all the sakura>sasuke panels and her confession to him etc etc if he didn't have it planned to becanon in the end???? Just doesn't make sense to put all that effort in to dismantle it late game... huh.gif

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:54 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Apr 29 2013, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just been wondering, why would kishi put so much emphasis on SS in part 1, with all the sakura>sasuke panels and her confession to him etc etc if he didn't have it planned to becanon in the end???? Just doesn't make sense to put all that effort in to dismantle it late game... huh.gif

What do you mean?

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:55 PM

And in the same way fans were surprised with zuko, it still came to a good development ending for him.

Now naruto is not avatar and kishi is not going to do anything fully predictable, but Sakura can still end in a good development now despite sasukes new demeanor now can't she? Narusaku can still come and sasuke can still get some good ending development despite his turn now can't they?

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:55 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Apr 29 2013, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just been wondering, why would kishi put so much emphasis on SS in part 1, with all the sakura>sasuke panels and her confession to him etc etc if he didn't have it planned to becanon in the end???? Just doesn't make sense to put all that effort in to dismantle it late game... huh.gif

Sarcasm?

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:56 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Apr 29 2013, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sarcasm?

I can't see how it can't be. sad.gif

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:58 PM

QUOTE (FoolishYoungling @ Apr 29 2013, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can't see how it can't be. sad.gif

Just funny cause ive never seen that strong "emphasis" on SS in part 1.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:00 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Apr 29 2013, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just funny cause ive never seen that strong "emphasis" on SS in part 1.

I want to see what he means because funny that he asked, I woke up in the morning and thought, "Huh...I can't seem to think that there were a lot of SS..." I'll explain later.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:01 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 29 2013, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What do you mean?


Basically why bother with romantic development for sakura towards sasuke if he is pretty much trolled it throughout part 2??? (Sakura's confession to sasuke being it's peak)

Part 1 is dominated by sakura's infactuation with sasuke.... and part 2 just demolishes this...

Simplified: why would you build a house then demolish it straight after completing it??? huh.gif

Edited by HauntedCake, 29 April 2013 - 09:02 PM.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:03 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Apr 29 2013, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Basically why bother with romantic development for sakura towards sasuke if he is pretty much trolled it throughout part 2??? (Sakura's confession to sasuke being it's peak)

Part 1 is dominated by sakura's infactuation with sasuke.... and part 2 just demolishes this...

Simplified: why would you build a house then demolish it straight after completing it??? huh.gif

Something like this is called "building romance suspense".

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:06 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Apr 29 2013, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just been wondering, why would kishi put so much emphasis on SS in part 1, with all the sakura>sasuke panels and her confession to him etc etc if he didn't have it planned to becanon in the end???? Just doesn't make sense to put all that effort in to dismantle it late game... huh.gif

That's one theory, but there are others.

The one that I think makes the most sense, especially after Kishi called her feelings for Sasuke selfish is that it contrasted the true love that Naruto feels for Sakura. Take a look at the scene where Sakura confesses to Sasuke. When she does so, she says she wants him to stay because of how it will make her feel, not about how Sasuke will feel. Her main reason for him staying and abandoning his revenge [which is what he has wanted all this time] is because SHE will feel lonely. In other words it is only because of her feelings, not his. And in the end, though he thanks her for caring he still calls her annoying and then severs the bond between them.

Naruto is different. He doesn't love Sakura for her looks, but because she is like him in the fact that they are both searching for acknowledgement. However, he isn't going to force her to only be with him. If she finds someone else or does not get over Sasuke, he will do everything in his power to make her happy.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:07 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Apr 29 2013, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Basically why bother with romantic development for sakura towards sasuke if he is pretty much trolled it throughout part 2??? (Sakura's confession to sasuke being it's peak)

Part 1 is dominated by sakura's infactuation with sasuke.... and part 2 just demolishes this...

Simplified: why would you build a house then demolish it straight after completing it??? huh.gif

Because she hid those feelings. She didn't really truly drop it or as others may say, it just came back to hunt her because she was about to kill an old friend who she love(d?). So it got conflicted. Ino never got her resolution but you can see it was getting worse, much like Sakura. Part 1 is like childhood memory, so it's something from the past that she has to move on. Even if Sasuke goes back, she has to realize the cost of romance. Friendship is normal, but romance is a new level. So now, knowing that her character is about learning mistake and move on to be a better person, it does seem like it favors NS but time will tell. Go through bumpy road first, then the destination endpoint will be there before we know it.

For a second, I thought you meant something different.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:10 PM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 29 2013, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto is different. He doesn't love Sakura for her looks, but because she is like him in the fact that they are both searching for acknowledgement. However, he isn't going to force her to only be with him. If she finds someone else or does not get over Sasuke, he will do everything in his power to make her happy.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:10 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Apr 29 2013, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Something like this is called "building romance suspense".


Hmmm.... maybe, but kishi's emphasis for Sakura's desire for sasuke comes off very strong. dry.gif


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:11 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Apr 29 2013, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmmm.... maybe, but kishi's emphasis for Sakura's desire for sasuke comes off very strong. dry.gif

and Sakura's care for Naruto comes off stronger than her feelings for Sasuke. biggrin.gif

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:12 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Apr 29 2013, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmmm.... maybe, but kishi's emphasis for Sakura's desire for sasuke comes off very strong. dry.gif

Not really. It's just that now it's becoming her new task to overcome. What impression you got that from?

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:14 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Apr 29 2013, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmmm.... maybe, but kishi's emphasis for Sakura's desire for sasuke comes off very strong. dry.gif

Yeah and thats exactly what makes the suspense. The main Protoganist is ment to work hard for his goals, so it would be pretty lame if sakura just had some simple sort of love for sasuke. This is all nothing more then simple storytelling.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:15 PM

QUOTE (FoolishYoungling @ Apr 29 2013, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Edited by Shadow1275, 29 April 2013 - 09:16 PM.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:16 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 29 2013, 10:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because she hid those feelings. She didn't really truly drop it or as others may say, it just came back to hunt her because she was about to kill an old friend who she love(d?). So it got conflicted. Ino never got her resolution but you can see it was getting worse, much like Sakura. Part 1 is like childhood memory, so it's something from the past that she has to move on. Even if Sasuke goes back, she has to realize the cost of romance. Friendship is normal, but romance is a new level. So now, knowing that her character is about learning mistake and move on to be a better person, it does seem like it favors NS but time will tell. Go through bumpy road first, then the destination endpoint will be there before we know it.

For a second, I thought you meant something different.


Bolded: ummmm don't quite get what you mean here, could you explain a little bit (the friendship is normal, romance is new level part) happy.gif


QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 29 2013, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not really. It's just that now it's becoming her new task to overcome. What impression you got that from?


Well mostly with chapter 3 when she says something like "Today, sasuke-kun will be mine" <<< To say something like that... well..


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:19 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Apr 29 2013, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bolded: ummmm don't quite get what you mean here, could you explain a little bit (the friendship is normal, romance is new level part) happy.gif




Well mostly with chapter 3 when she says something like "Today, sasuke-kun will be mine" <<< To say something like that... well..

Though, if Kishi wanted SS to happen, then why would he call Sakura's feelings for Sasuke selfish?

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:22 PM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 29 2013, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Though, if Kishi wanted SS to happen, then why would he call Sakura's feelings for Sasuke selfish?


Good point. Just seems very wierd to have Sakura focus soooooooo much on sasuke part 1..... unsure.gif

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