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[Dkey]

The story is going on a down road and i dont know how it will progress but i believe on NS and i know for sure that it will happen and will be surprisingly.
The type of scenario that happens and later you think "i told you it was the most logical thing would happen".

Well regarding the story what I'm not sure about is what would happen. Because I understood the story will end around 2015 so will there be another arc after this or will it continue until the end.

But I still believe that all those plot points will be closed until the end. Thou some plot elements may not be as good as the rest, when referring to quality or logic.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Well regarding the story what I'm not sure about is what would happen. Because I understood the story will end around 2015 so will there be another arc after this or will it continue until the end.

But I still believe that all those plot points will be closed until the end. Thou some plot elements may not be as good as the rest, when referring to quality or logic.

Would be understandable because Jump still hanst found a substitute for bleach, they are trying to boost Toriko's popularity, but i dont know if he keeps Sasuke good then for sure it will be the last arc.

[Inferno180]

Well Sasuke is the unpredictable factor for the story of Naruto for now, it was a radical change for past reasons recently but its also a situation in which Kishi may have a better idea in mind and we don't know it yet.

Deal that makes this situation with Sasuke regarding the story unpredictable was the story has shifted, we don't really know how this will turn out. But Sasuke is also one of the two most important characters, he can possibly do something in a way that is better than what we know. Its as many have said, Sasuke's new outlook can ruin the story but it can also do something better. Point is, nothing has happened and we don't know what will occur until more time passes. It would still be ironic if Kishi's favorite character is the one to ruin the story. Then again it could have also been the editors for this change in Sasuke, until anything happens, we are just stuck speculating. The current state of the story having no clear path save for a few elements (Kakashi vs. Obito, Sasuke and co coming to the battlefield, Minato meeting with Naruto, the alliance getting screwed over) those are some of the only predictable events coming up. As for minor events, we have no idea, they are still in that winding road of possibility. Everytime new story elements are introduced, many older possible routes are closed off and many new ones open. Same is true from the recent track record Kishi did even if its left people with a sour taste, then again if the story was so simple than it never would have as much purpose. If Sasuke had stayed on revenge, he would have just been a final boss if anything. I personally think he should just been left with a theory after Hashirama, only agreeing to help the allaince with the kages out of an enemy of my enemy type deal, face Naruto when all is said and done and confirm this theory by fighting him. I don't think Sasuke should have gotten an answer but still we don't know his full intentions and so all we can do is wait, it can bring great harm but also potentially bring some good elements. Its as I said before with the road of possible story events, new events determine these possibilities as the roads open and close. For all we know Madara could give Sasuke a felling of uneasiness and give him his side of the story about the past, he only listened to Hashirama so he could always listen to Madara, an Uchiha himself who knows the full deal of what Sasuke is facing. If he listens to both stories, then we get another event for Sasuke. I mean we still don't know why Orochimaru attacked the leaf in the chunin exams, Sasuke once said he thought it was for revenge until he found it was for something else we have not seen yet.

I still stand by my opinion that the story is mainly shaken though, not outright butchered mainly due to the fact that no interaction has come from the new Sasuke yet, Naruto still remembers him as a physco last they met, how will this change him when they meet? Do we really know everything about Sasuke's intentions? No idea. All we can do is wait for things to move forward.

I know many people want to see Sakura get some action or more with the ten tails fight but I bet our new scene shift is going to be to Kakashi vs. Obito. So don't be surprised if the next few weeks are in the kamui dimension along with a combination of fighting and flashbacks.

[StriderC]

It's because she already has. She has already place Naruto above Sasuke in everything since he left the village and found out Naruto has understood her all along when he made her the POTLT. When he returned from failing to retrieve Sasuke she chose to put her entire trust in him and thus NS was already developing in full bloom from there.

Lol imo, NS has been developing since the beginning of the Manga. The PoAL helped her really see Naruto but everything beforehand built up to that point. Part 1 did an amazing job building up their relationship and its where they both see one another. Naruto earlier than Sakura of course. Lol

[TouKen4Life3g]

IMO I don't think the Chan or Kun thing necessarily has to mean feelings, I think when NS does become canon that Sakura will still refer to Naruto as just Naruto.

Least I hope so, Idk but Naruto-Kun just reminds me to much of Hinata and I don't want Sakura saying it haha, it's one thing I dislike about many fics when Sakura calls Naruto "Naruto-Kun" just a personal preference though.

no in fact it is the opposite -kun sets a distance between the pair not using honorifics or using -chan shows familiarity

people should really start reading Adachi-pro if you want to see where Kishimoto gets his influence for romance, you should anyway as Adachi is possibly the best story teller in Manga

This.

In fact, Sai already described the usage of -kun and -san. Didn't explain -chan but I do think Kishi avoided this for obvious reason. Funny, because when Sai explained it, he sure made Lee, Hinata, and Sakura far distance from their love interest, but I digress.

But I want ROMANCE

Don't know the first kinda stays in character for the both of them, while the other is a bit cheesy.


The way I see it if Kishi wants to make NS cannon it's not gonna be something to over the top romantic but something more down to earth. That's why the second one feels to idealistic.

But let me ask you something thou, which one of the 2 would you pick if Kishi decides to kill Naruto and Sasuke in their final battle?

Well second one came from a animated movie, and I laughed how rushed it went. Trust me, it's stupid and for animated movie, it's really laughable, because if you grew up with the early animated movies, you'll know romance is emphasis a lot. Disney sure took that approach. For some reason, I do think the romance atmosphere level will go high as the story needs because really, they do leave a really good feeling. Why else even kids movie has romance? That said I don't think it will be over the top, but really realistic and hopefully a satisfying end.

Sasuke should get killed though I don't want to happen because Naruto did it. If he has to die, it will be Nagato's style: did all bad things but die not as a monster. Not like he do the exact same as him but you get the idea.

[redragon88]

This.

In fact, Sai already described the usage of -kun and -san. Didn't explain -chan but I do think Kishi avoided this for obvious reason. Funny, because when Sai explained it, he sure made Lee, Hinata, and Sakura far distance from their love interest, but I digress.

Yeah, Lee says Sakura-san and Hinata says Naruto-kun. But then again Lee and Hinata have a polite speech so they both use -kun with boys and -san with girl.

The only exception is Lee regarding his teammates, Neji and Tenten, he doesn't use suffixes probably because they're close friends. Kinda makes it harder to see Lee cry for Neji's death.

Hinata on the other hand even calls Kiba and Shino with -kun, but since Hinata is the most polite out of all the Konoha 11 it's not really a surprise.

Then you have Sakura who say Sasuke-kun and Lee-san. The -san for Lee is probably because they're not that close, but the -kun for Sasuke is more about her infatuation for him forcing her to be polite when addressing him. Sakura probably figured she should just show her most proper side to Sasuke so that he could like her instead of her real personality in which she doesn't use suffixes with close friends. The same could be said with Ino also saying Sasuke-kun.

But I'm sure that nowadays Sakura just says Sasuke-kun out of habit, just like Naruto and Sakura say Kakashi-sensei despite him not being their teacher anymore.

You also have Sakura not using suffixes with Naruto, but she doesn't really use suffixes with any of the Konoha 11 so it's not really much. You could say that when Sai referenced it with Naruto it was an indirect hint purposely done by Kishi about how Naruto and Sakura are really close.

But then you have Naruto always saying Sakura-chan. Not only is it the most endearing suffix there is for a girl, but Naruto is the only person to every refer to a girl with that term. This can easily qualify in the "other terms of endearment" that Sai referred to, and the fact that it's exclusive between Naruto and Sakura accentuates it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah, Lee says Sakura-san and Hinata says Naruto-kun. But then again Lee and Hinata have a polite speech so they both use -kun with boys and -san with girl.

The only exception is Lee regarding his teammates, Neji and Tenten, he doesn't use suffixes probably because they're close friends. Kinda makes it harder to see Lee cry for Neji's death.

Hinata on the other hand even calls Kiba and Shino with -kun, but since Hinata is the most polite out of all the Konoha 11 it's not really a surprise.

Then you have Sakura who say Sasuke-kun and Lee-san. The -san for Lee is probably because they're not that close, but the -kun for Sasuke is more about her infatuation for him forcing her to be polite when addressing him. Sakura probably figured she should just show her most proper side to Sasuke so that he could like her instead of her real personality in which she doesn't use suffixes with close friends. The same could be said with Ino also saying Sasuke-kun.

But I'm sure that nowadays Sakura just says Sasuke-kun out of habit, just like Naruto and Sakura say Kakashi-sensei despite him not being their teacher anymore.

You also have Sakura not using suffixes with Naruto, but she doesn't really use suffixes with any of the Konoha 11 so it's not really much. You could say that when Sai referenced it with Naruto it was an indirect hint purposely done by Kishi about how Naruto and Sakura are really close.

But then you have Naruto always saying Sakura-chan. Not only is it the most endearing suffix there is for a girl, but Naruto is the only person to every refer to a girl with that term. This can easily qualify in the "other terms of endearment" that Sai referred to, and the fact that it's exclusive between Naruto and Sakura accentuates it.

This, especially the bold one. I think that part was intentional and Sai wanting to know if it's ok to call their names without suffix, since he doesn't know them that much but since he's Team 7 member, he wants to get along with them. Then you got nickname which she picked on Naruto out of fun. That's close friendship if I ever see one. Naruto is the only one that uses -chan (AU! not included), so talk about unique. Not to mention that Naruto is known to give nicknames for a lot of people, like ero-sennin, Tsunade-baachan, etc. so perhaps Sakura-chan is another way for it to show how she is different from others to him.

[HauntedCake]

The story logic was simple, and now we dont know anything what will happen, the plot is going on a road to be ruined, we dont know much things about Sasuke, but the story is not stable.
About the bolded no it hanst because if it is you would point various scenarios and it didnt happen, i see a lot of people saying 100% sure but didnt point more than 1 scenario, i only see people saying that Sakura will meet Sasuke and make a decision which is dangerous because it can backfire.
Because always when it's obvious that something will happen kishimoto suddenly take a 180.

Obito's flashbacks, "Kishimoto will pull Obi/Rin on Naruto" then he kills Neji and fails hard to compare Rin's loss to Neji's loss.
Hashirama's flashbacks, "Sasuke will try to seek for a way to peace but will be different than Naruto" - i'll protect the village.
Kabuto - "Kabuto is immune to genjutsu" - Lose because of a genjutsu.
Naruto "Receives chakra from all the other bijuus and probably will win" - Hashirama comes to battle and will restrain the juubi.
Naruto 2 "I'll work hard and prove that a loser can surpass a genius" - It's revealed that comes from a clan that as a common ancestral with the Rikuudou Sennin and only reached the place where he is because of that, and everything on his life was planned and settled(Rasengan, Kyuubi control and so on...).
Sakura "When sakura realized how Naruto is important to her she will fall in love with him" - Realizes that he did everything to her and was the biggest influence on her life result is that still loves Sasuke.
Naruto 3 "I wont let the people who sacrificed things for me i wont let them down" - Neji dies and think about giving up.
Naruto 4 "It's because a lot of people sacrificed their lives for me i have to suceed" - Waste all of his chakra trying to protect his friends instead of defeating the juubi.

And so on...

This. Kishi always seems to go back on his words

[Inferno180]

This. Kishi always seems to go back on his words

Eh for now the situation with Sasuke and the story is best described as a risk rather than a hazard.

The risk is the chance of something going wrong with everything coming forward once Sasuke gets back to interacting on the battlefield.
The hazard is once things go bad, then we would see the story begin to take a turn for the worse.

Even still not worried right now, even for the definite Sakura and Sasuke interaction in the future, its not like Sakura would abandon Naruto fully at this point. Even from the reunion, after getting rescued by Naruto and her barking out against Sasuke in Naruto's defense despite still loving Sasuke and her speech on 573, that's enough to say she would not abandon Naruto for Sasuke 100 in my book. Even for him being not an emo revenge driven freak anymore, Sakura isn't just going to go rocketing back to him, I can safety believe she would still be circulating around Naruto, 628 just makes me think of this more because she still supports him. Guess its safe to say, if everyone is backing Naruto then Sakura obviously would as well and would not just revert back to Sasuke even after seeing him becoming better. Naruto has made an impact on her and its not like she would simple abandon that.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Eh for now the situation with Sasuke and the story is best described as a risk rather than a hazard.

The risk is the chance of something going wrong with everything coming forward once Sasuke gets back to interacting on the battlefield.
The hazard is once things go bad, then we would see the story begin to take a turn for the worse.

Even still not worried right now, even for the definite Sakura and Sasuke interaction in the future, its not like Sakura would abandon Naruto fully at this point. Even from the reunion, after getting rescued by Naruto and her barking out against Sasuke in Naruto's defense despite still loving Sasuke and her speech on 573, that's enough to say she would not abandon Naruto for Sasuke 100 in my book. Even for him being not an emo revenge driven freak anymore, Sakura isn't just going to go rocketing back to him, I can safety believe she would still be circulating around Naruto, 628 just makes me think of this more because she still supports him. Guess its safe to say, if everyone is backing Naruto then Sakura obviously would as well and would not just revert back to Sasuke even after seeing him becoming better. Naruto has made an impact on her and its not like she would simple abandon that.

What not loving Naruto has to do with abandoning him?
We are just saying that when Kishimoto shows that the story is going on one way then suddenly he turns a 180, this is damaging the story not Sasuke.
It's like Lost when the authors to surprised everyone decided to take decisions that no one would think about, every stuff that happened on this arc no one even thought would happen.
he always take the route that surprise the readers and at the same time manages to disappoint them(depending on the perspective ofc).

This is the solely reason that i belive that NS will be canon not because of development but because of the way Naruto and Sakura were made, i dont think it will come with an development, suddenly it happens and make everyone surprised even the NS fans.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 April 2013 - 06:40 PM.

[Gravenimage]

What not loving Naruto has to do with abandoning him?
We are just saying that when Kishimoto shows that the story is going on one way then suddenly he turns a 180, this is damaging the story not Sasuke.
It's like Lost when the authors to surprised everyone decided to take decisions that no one would think about, every stuff that happened on this arc no one even thought would happen.
he always take the route that surprise the readers and at the same time manages to disappoint them(depending on the perspective ofc).

This is the solely reason that i belive that NS will be canon not because of development but because of the way Naruto and Sakura were made, i dont think it will come with an development, suddenly it happens and make everyone surprised even the NS fans.

Yeah for example fans were expecting NH to become canon by 616 and they were disappointed.

[Inferno180]

What not loving Naruto has to do with abandoning him?
We are just saying that when Kishimoto shows that the story is going on one way then suddenly he turns a 180, this is damaging the story not Sasuke, not naruhina/sasusaku.
It's like Lost when the authors to surprised everyone decided to take decisions that no one would think about, every stuff that happened on this arc no one even thought would happen.
he always take the route that surprise the readers and at the same time manages to disappoint them(depending on the perspective ofc).

I mean Sakura won't go back to her pre-rescue from Gaara mentality when she always took Sasuke 100% and hardly Naruto's side. Its just some people getting the idea she would be running back to Sasuke in this new mentality with hearts in her eyes. I mean that despite everything Sasuke can redeem himself with Sakura still has an impact by Naruto and would not just sideline everything for it. She does not love Naruto yet but its safe to say she would not just erase all this in an instant unless Kishi really wanted to kill her character development.

I'm not saying Sakura will revert back, I mean I believe NS will happen, just I think its more reasonable to believe that when new Sasuke interacts with Naruto and Sakura, Sakura should get some more development on her already present development between them (like she always had).

But that random route, yeah its a roulette, some will like it others will not. Sometimes we get asspulls like the uzumaki clan shrine and orochimaru gutting the reaper's stomach. Other times there are good asspulls like Minato and Kushina appearing within the sealing formula on Naruto. But the deal with these are though, sometimes there is nothing saying they cannot do what they just put in. Nothing was saying that the reaper could not be gutted and call back the hokage souls, we only found out they could not be called by the edo tensi, nothing ever said there was no way to retrieve the souls, same with reviving orochimaru, nothing said he could not be revived despite being sealed by Itachi. They are asspulls but they are still operating in ways where nothing said they couldn't do these things. This back door type deal is something can they can make good stuff and bad stuff happen with. I mean a good asspull he was able to do was finally making Naruto friends with Kurama but it happened in a short amount of time with Son Goku and the other tailed beasts, he can make NS a good asspull and put forward some short even to make Sakura love Naruto for all we care. He could do the same in reverse obviously and bring SasuSaku back and destroy their characters. He could do it with NH despite the lack of development on it.

Either way, any asspull he can make good or bad, there is nothing saying the characters are outright blocked from the situations, I mean as Kurama said basically the ten tails is unbeatable for all practical purposes as of now yet Kishi can reveal that even it has some weakness and it could even end up being the very thing that let the sage beat the ten tails centuries ago if he wanted. We see something in the series right now, they can say its powerful and then comes an asspull reason saying otherwise and yet nothing is there to say things cannot happen like this simply because the characters did not know of it or just "had the knowledge all along"

Kishi can do all the asspulling he wants, its just he takes this back door technique so much simple because "there was nothing saying he was forbidden from doing this" he can pull this all he wants and still try to make sense out of it for the sake of convenience but it just makes the end result weaker. This is what many see with Sasuke now, it was an asspull to kill Neji for hardly anything, yet there is nothing to say he cannot do these. He could kill Choji for nothing and make a big waste of screentime with it and yet just continue onwards with it or suddenly make Shino the superpowered hero, it would be a bad story and just absurd twist but nothing saying he cannot do that. To make the story good, he should stay on route but as long as the twists are limited then we can follow the pacing well enough to make sense. Still despite the twist with Sasuke, things can go good or bad, its rather just what comes in the future.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I mean Sakura won't go back to her pre-rescue from Gaara mentality when she always took Sasuke 100% and hardly Naruto's side. Its just some people getting the idea she would be running back to Sasuke in this new mentality with hearts in her eyes. I mean that despite everything Sasuke can redeem himself with Sakura still has an impact by Naruto and would not just sideline everything for it. She does not love Naruto yet but its safe to say she would not just erase all this in an instant unless Kishi really wanted to kill her character development.

I'm not saying Sakura will revert back, I mean I believe NS will happen, just I think its more reasonable to believe that when new Sasuke interacts with Naruto and Sakura, Sakura should get some more development on her already present development between them (like she always had).

But that random route, yeah its a roulette, some will like it others will not. Sometimes we get asspulls like the uzumaki clan shrine and orochimaru gutting the reaper's stomach. Other times there are good asspulls like Minato and Kushina appearing within the sealing formula on Naruto. But the deal with these are though, sometimes there is nothing saying they cannot do what they just put in. Nothing was saying that the reaper could not be gutted and call back the hokage souls, we only found out they could not be called by the edo tensi, nothing ever said there was no way to retrieve the souls, same with reviving orochimaru, nothing said he could not be revived despite being sealed by Itachi. They are asspulls but they are still operating in ways where nothing said they couldn't do these things. This back door type deal is something can they can make good stuff and bad stuff happen with. I mean a good asspull he was able to do was finally making Naruto friends with Kurama but it happened in a short amount of time with Son Goku and the other tailed beasts, he can make NS a good asspull and put forward some short even to make Sakura love Naruto for all we care. He could do the same in reverse obviously and bring SasuSaku back and destroy their characters. He could do it with NH despite the lack of development on it.

Either way, any asspull he can make good or bad, there is nothing saying the characters are outright blocked from the situations, I mean as Kurama said basically the ten tails is unbeatable for all practical purposes as of now yet Kishi can reveal that even it has some weakness and it could even end up being the very thing that let the sage beat the ten tails centuries ago if he wanted. We see something in the series right now, they can say its powerful and then comes an asspull reason saying otherwise and yet nothing is there to say things cannot happen like this simply because the characters did not know of it or just "had the knowledge all along"

Kishi can do all the asspulling he wants, its just he takes this back door technique so much simple because "there was nothing saying he was forbidden from doing this" he can pull this all he wants and still try to make sense out of it for the sake of convenience but it just makes the end result weaker. This is what many see with Sasuke now, it was an asspull to kill Neji for hardly anything, yet there is nothing to say he cannot do these. He could kill Choji for nothing and make a big waste of screentime with it and yet just continue onwards with it or suddenly make Shino the superpowered hero, it would be a bad story and just absurd twist but nothing saying he cannot do that. To make the story good, he should stay on route but as long as the twists are limited then we can follow the pacing well enough to make sense. Still despite the twist with Sasuke, things can go good or bad, its rather just what comes in the future.

It's just because of this everything that could happen between exclusively between Naruto and Sakura that could possibly trigger a love towards Naruto didnt happened, the confession trolled us(540), the bridal save trolled us(540 again), bridge scene also trolled us, even the databooks and relation's charters also troll us, the same with NH, 615 story goes on a way that 616 would confirm NH then they get trolled.
This is the reason why i cant come up with a reasonable reason because all the logical scenarios that could might happen he doesnt simply takes the route he always have to pull a 180 and comes with illogical explanation, this is the reason why like i said before it will BAM NS CANON and then kishimoto write on the end of the chapter "Deal with it".

I too didnt get why with Hinata he labelled her love as infatuation and with Sakura he labelled it as love since Hinata as reaons to love Naruto and Sakura pointed not a single reason for Sakura

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 April 2013 - 07:43 PM.

[HauntedCake]

She does not love Naruto yet but its safe to say she would not just erase all this in an instant unless Kishi really wanted to kill her character development.

Bolded: This is debatable, IMO Sasuke is nothing more then a throphy to show off at first for sakura and her love grew from that (her need to WIN sasuke) Win being a key word.

Whilst Naruto, well all you need to know is in slex's build up

[Shadow1275]

It's just because of this everything that could happen between exclusively between Naruto and Sakura that could possibly trigger a love towards Naruto didnt happened, the confession trolled us(540), the bridal save trolled us(540 again), bridge scene also trolled us, even the databooks and relation's charters also troll us, the same with NH, 615 story goes on a way that 616 would confirm NH then they get trolled.
This is the reason why i cant come up with a reasonable reason because all the logical scenarios that could might happen he doesnt simply takes the route he always have to pull a 180 and comes with illogical explanation, this is the reason why like i said before it will BAM NS CANON and then kishimoto write on the end of the chapter "Deal with it".

I too didnt get why with Hinata he labelled her love as infatuation and with Sakura he labelled it as love since Hinata as reaons to love Naruto and Sakura pointed not a single reason for Sakura

Perhaps, but even his ass-pulls have development. For example, Obito turning evil because Rin was killed, Sasuke being severely affected by Itachi.

As for the confession and 540, they weren't really trolls. Nowhere does Naruto claim that he doesn't love her or that she doesn't love him, he called her out because

A. He knew that she still had feelings for Sasuke[This was obvious just look at her reaction to the Lightning ninja's news.]

B. He knew that she was hiding something. A.K.A. Her plan to kill Sasuke.

Now how does this relate to 540? 540 when combined with what he said about her love being selfish and the extent of her feelings for Sasuke at that moment takes on a whole new meaning. Kishi said in his interview about her confession that though Naruto is close to her heart she still loves Sasuke. This makes sense because until the Land of Iron arc, she had not seen him in all of his evil glory. However, after she encounters him, we get 540 where after the man says the man who you love is bound to be a great man. Sakura looks miserable.

My main point is that 540 illustrates that she knows her love for Sasuke is wrong. The question is why is it selfish? Partly because of Sasuke being evil but the main reason why it is selfish is because Sasuke has never nor will he ever feel the same. Sasuke even states that he feels nothing for her when in the first team 7 reunion, he states that he managed to sever bonds with everyone except for Naruto.

The only person in this love triangle whose love is pure is Naruto's because the only thing he cares about is Sakura's happiness. If she were to end up with someone else, Naruto would be sad but he wouldn't bother her and he would help her to achieve this because his love is the only selfless love.

[Inferno180]

Bolded: This is debatable, IMO Sasuke is nothing more then a throphy to show off at first for sakura and her love grew from that (her need to WIN sasuke) Win being a key word.

Whilst Naruto, well all you need to know is in slex's build up

Well the build up is really all we need to keep looking at though, I mean one thing that is confirmed, Sakura does have close genuine feelings for Naruto, I mean she worries gravely for him and otherwise Naruto would not just drop loving Sakura so easily. I mean I believe NS will happen, its just there are so many ways the story will go. It can be good or it can be bad, IMO for now, the story is grey but NS is in the green, nothing has hit it yet. I mean there are some good things coming like the Kakashi vs Obito fight, other events remain to be seen, I'm not going to flip out on any story events that could come though but its just because anytime we get a new chapter, now I'd almost want to avoid the latest release thread because people are going be be divided on this recent turn of stuff. I mean there is some good in the story still going but its going to be hard seeing this new Sasuke. I mean there is a lot of good that can come from this new Sasuke mentality. We just have not seen anything yet, but what keeps me going is that Naruto and Sakura will have interaction again, I just hope that interaction is very good, thats what I look forward too and its that development looking back at especially with the recent chapter, thats enough to keep me convinced that the NaruSaku relation we like is still going strong. Sakura concerned and supportive of Naruto, despite this recent chapter being short with her, it still shows the simplest aspects of why we like Sakura in NaruSaku, she is concerned but has faith in him. Kinda happy that with the new chapter, we have a good most recent photo for the buildup thread. I'm just waiting on RtN to be in japanse dub HD then I'll finally see it and see how its as good as many said it was.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Perhaps, but even his ass-pulls have development. For example, Obito turning evil because Rin was killed, Sasuke being severely affected by Itachi.

It didnt had a development.
Think with me after hearing all of this from Itachi's words he say "my hatred towards the village increased even more".
Then after hearing the story from hashirama.
His hatred vanished?
The plot for Sasuke was pointing towards that he was going to become like Madara but would not do his same mistakes would try to find a purpose rather than "Itachi is dead i have to kill everyone".
this point still stands i hope that he goes this way because if he really because good then it's stupid because Sasuke was a hatred driven character and Naruto would be the one responsable to erase his hatred.

As for the confession and 540, they weren't really trolls. Nowhere does Naruto claim that he doesn't love her or that she doesn't love him, he called her out because

A. He knew that she still had feelings for Sasuke[This was obvious just look at her reaction to the Lightning ninja's news.]

B. He knew that she was hiding something. A.K.A. Her plan to kill Sasuke.


Now how does this relate to 540? 540 when combined with what he said about her love being selfish and the extent of her feelings for Sasuke at that moment takes on a whole new meaning. Kishi said in his interview about her confession that though Naruto is close to her heart she still loves Sasuke. This makes sense because until the Land of Iron arc, she had not seen him in all of his evil glory. However, after she encounters him, we get 540 where after the man says the man who you love is bound to be a great man. Sakura looks miserable.

My main point is that 540 illustrates that she knows her love for Sasuke is wrong. The question is why is it selfish? Partly because of Sasuke being evil but the main reason why it is selfish is because Sasuke has never nor will he ever feel the same. Sasuke even states that he feels nothing for her when in the first team 7 reunion, he states that he managed to sever bonds with everyone except for Naruto.

Yes it was a troll, because Naruto knew she loved Sasuke but it was before Sai telling her that Naruto loved her, then she did stop to think about her feelings for Naruto and for Sasuke, and then realized that Naruto was better and also was at her side he was for her the type of guy that Sasuke never was for her, Sasuke was never at her side and she points out this on the very same confession then you add the fact that Sasuke tried to kill her two times, the most logical thing to happen is her not having feelings for him anymore, but he took a 180 and shows her still having feelings for him.(with the same thoughts she had before the confession)

Also she knows it wrong because he's a bad guy not because the things he did to her, the correct flashback that should appear is her confession to Naruto and Sasuke trying to kill her, not just a picture of Sasuke envolved on dark flames because it give the impression that she was sad because Sasuke was evil not because of his cold and bad deeds towards her.

The only person in this love triangle whose love is pure is Naruto's because the only thing he cares about is Sakura's happiness. If she were to end up with someone else, Naruto would be sad but he wouldn't bother her and he would help her to achieve this because his love is the only selfless love.

It's not the fact that it's pure because he also did mistakes with this love he lied to Sakura too, and tried to break the promise that they do together, he doesnt rely on her skills to a complete extent despite acknowleding she's strong, this part he does with everyone not just Sakura.
On the love triangle Naruto is the only one who have legitimate reasons to love Sakura different than Sakura to Sasuke.

Naruto does not know the pain that he causes to her or even how much she struggles on her desire to help him and it's not his fault it's just because he's either fainted or poisoned.
Because if he witness it he would obvious get rid of his bad mindset about "Sakura can only love Sasuke and she only really cares about him".
This is the reason why he always get surprised when she display affection towards her.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 April 2013 - 08:27 PM.

[Dkey]

It didnt had a development.
Think with me after hearing all of this from Itachi's words he say "my hatred towards the village increased even more".
Then after hearing the story from hashirama.
His hatred vanished?
The plot for Sasuke was pointing towards that he was going to become like Madara but would not do his same mistakes would try to find a purpose rather than "Itachi is dead i have to kill everyone".
this point still stands i hope that he goes this way because if he really because good then it's stupid because Sasuke was a hatred driven character and Naruto would be the one responsable to erase his hatred.


Yes it was a troll, because Naruto knew she loved Sasuke but it was before Sai telling her that Naruto loved her, then she did stop to think about her feelings for Naruto and for Sasuke, and then realized that Naruto was better and also was at her side he was for her the type of guy that Sasuke never was for her, Sasuke was never at her side and she points out this on the very same confession then you add the fact that Sasuke tried to kill her two times, the most logical thing to happen is her not having feelings for him anymore, but he took a 180 and shows her still having feelings for him.

Also she knows it wrong because he's a bad guy not because the things he did to her, the correct flashback that should appear is her confession to Naruto and Sasuke trying to kill her, not just a picture of Sasuke envolved on dark flames because it give the impression that she was sad because Sasuke was evil not because of his cold and bad deeds towards her.


It's not the fact that it's pure because he also did mistakes with this love he lied to Sakura too, and tried to break the promise that they do together, he doesnt rely on her skills to a complete extent despite acknowleding she's strong, this part he does with everyone not just Sakura.
On the love triangle Naruto is the only one who have legitimate reasons to love Sakura different than Sakura to Sasuke.

All we got from Sasuke was that he didn't want Madara's plan to be accomplished, and it can very well be because he wants to hate the village and love his brother. His situation will be explained when he gets to the battle. Probably he will TNJ a bit with Madara, because Madara will acknowledge him for having the EMS and will try to pull him to his side.
Ironically or not the same is happening with Obito and Naruto. Obito sees a bit of himself in Naruto and wants to crush his spirit. Almost the same thing happened with Nagato, the twist was thou that Naruto decided to follow the words in Jiraya's book that ironically was Nagato's to begin with.

As for the love thing, it probably will have a spot in it where Kishi decided is beyond us.

I just read today the Mario oneshot and gotta say he really enjoys building romance with huge almost ridiculous obstacles to climb for his characters.

[Inferno180]

It didnt had a development.
Think with me after hearing all of this from Itachi's words he say "my hatred towards the village increased even more".
Then after hearing the story from hashirama.
His hatred vanished?
The plot for Sasuke was pointing towards that he was going to become like Madara but would not do his same mistakes would try to find a purpose rather than "Itachi is dead i have to kill everyone".
this point still stands i hope that he goes this way because if he really because good then it's stupid because Sasuke was a hatred driven character and Naruto would be the one responsable to erase his hatred.


Yes it was a troll, because Naruto knew she loved Sasuke but it was before Sai telling her that Naruto loved her, then she did stop to think about her feelings for Naruto and for Sasuke, and then realized that Naruto was better and also was at her side he was for her the type of guy that Sasuke never was for her, Sasuke was never at her side and she points out this on the very same confession then you add the fact that Sasuke tried to kill her two times, the most logical thing to happen is her not having feelings for him anymore, but he took a 180 and shows her still having feelings for him.(with the same thoughts she had before the confession)

Also she knows it wrong because he's a bad guy not because the things he did to her, the correct flashback that should appear is her confession to Naruto and Sasuke trying to kill her, not just a picture of Sasuke envolved on dark flames because it give the impression that she was sad because Sasuke was evil not because of his cold and bad deeds towards her.


It's not the fact that it's pure because he also did mistakes with this love he lied to Sakura too, and tried to break the promise that they do together, he doesnt rely on her skills to a complete extent despite acknowleding she's strong, this part he does with everyone not just Sakura.
On the love triangle Naruto is the only one who have legitimate reasons to love Sakura different than Sakura to Sasuke.

Bolded Its a manga, if they acted realistic, then the story would have been cut down so much in length by now, Obito would not have even gone into insanity mode with Rin's death. Only reason I can say for Sakura still loving Sasuke is dramatic effect and drag, manga tend to do these dramatic drags so much, otherwise wouldn't Sakura's development have been nearly finished if she turned to Naruto? As unrealistic as it is, it may be necessary for her to have these feelings a slight while longer. Sakura is one of the last to get her end development being a main character. Due to 540, as much as we would want her to be over it, she still can necessarily need it in terms of story pacing and for a later development point. I mean 540 can go turn 180 again and go to absolute ruin for her character with SS but it can also lead to a good development with NaruSaku.

Manga go on for so long, they just arn't going to "cut to the realism" otherwise it would just be too simple. Sakura could have loved Naruto in the 540 scene if kishi chose but then that could have either spelled canon or confusion, I mean then that could have incidentally caused more commotion with NS and NH than 615 did. If something like that did occur, it would be one part early leaping to a canon pairing and another par more confusion on well what to do with Hinata now?

Much as things like this occur, sometimes these bad elements need to stick around for further development, I mean for anyone who has seen Avatar the Last Airbender, everyone expected Zuko to become a good guy at the end of season 2 when it first came out, then it was a massive troll moment when he sided with Azula and returned to his "must capture aang" mode only to later realize his choice was wrong and in the half of season 3 he turned good after his own internal struggle.

If you want to know a really really really stupid character, take Andrea from the walking dead tv series, ask any fan, they would say she was literally the only character that actually gave you a reason to hate her. She just never learned even when things were obvious. She got killed off, people just did not care either way about her from that point. Sakura however is not like this, she manages to support and at least try supporting Naruto despite still loving Sasuke. Again nothing saying this cannot change for the future.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Bolded Its a manga, if they acted realistic, then the story would have been cut down so much in length by now, Obito would not have even gone into insanity mode with Rin's death. Only reason I can say for Sakura still loving Sasuke is dramatic effect and drag, manga tend to do these dramatic drags so much, otherwise wouldn't Sakura's development have been nearly finished if she turned to Naruto? As unrealistic as it is, it may be necessary for her to have these feelings a slight while longer. Sakura is one of the last to get her end development being a main character. Due to 540, as much as we would want her to be over it, she still can necessarily need it in terms of story pacing and for a later development point. I mean 540 can go turn 180 again and go to absolute ruin for her character with SS but it can also lead to a good development with NaruSaku.

i'm not talking about realism i'm talking about logical development, Sakura has a lot of development to move on from Sasuke and the parts where it could pull the trigger are serving more to give fanservice and master trolling.

Manga go on for so long, they just arn't going to "cut to the realism" otherwise it would just be too simple. Sakura could have loved Naruto in the 540 scene if kishi chose but then that could have either spelled canon or confusion, I mean then that could have incidentally caused more commotion with NS and NH than 615 did. If something like that did occur, it would be one part early leaping to a canon pairing and another par more confusion on well what to do with Hinata now?

Hinata is simple everytime he shows that her character is going to some interesting road he does a 180 and shows the same old Hinata, the one who's centered on Naruto.

Much as things like this occur, sometimes these bad elements need to stick around for further development, I mean for anyone who has seen Avatar the Last Airbender, everyone expected Zuko to become a good guy at the end of season 2 when it first came out, then it was a massive troll moment when he sided with Azula and returned to his "must capture aang" mode only to later realize his choice was wrong and in the half of season 3 he turned good after his own internal struggle.

It's just what i'm saying, the same stuff with Zuko, shows that he's going on one road just to surprise the fans.

If you want to know a really really really stupid character, take Andrea from the walking dead tv series, ask any fan, they would say she was literally the only character that actually gave you a reason to hate her. She just never learned even when things were obvious. She got killed off, people just did not care either way about her from that point. Sakura however is not like this, she manages to support and at least try supporting Naruto despite still loving Sasuke. Again nothing saying this cannot change for the future.

He also killed good characters and when he killed that south-korea guy i quit the series.