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#18241 咲耶姫

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 03:06 AM

I know i doubt that anything would change their mind , but why why would you try to change a translation just to make yourself feel better when you know  that isn't the truth for the love of the SO6P  why ? I feel like their entire fandom is consisted of bunch of five year old children's , Ugh sometimes they make me so sick :sick:  .    

You know, I think they don't know that it's not the truth, they had convinced themeselves so hard, and since it's better for them, they prefer to think it's the truth, and whatever we can tell them, our words are ony lies to them. It's sad but it's the reality.

 

Reality is your probably correct... but I've always liked to think that if you try to convince someone long and hard enough, they might end up changing their minds. The way I've always gone at it wasn't through actual force, but a general period over time. I don't mind their dedication quite frankly, because it's up to them, I think what gets me though is that some feel they are never wrong. Because it's hard for me to turn a blind on that type of ignorance, I tend to start conversations which then turn into debates. Been pretty damn patient with other fans lately, though I'm not sure how long it'll last XD

When you believe in something since so long as almost 10 years or 5 years or whatever, you can't be convinced otherwise, look at SS fandom this week.

 

Honestly, I don't see any way SS or NH can officially die. At least not to the fandoms. Everyone wants to say everything is ambiguous even if it can be straight forward. What does it mean to be straight forward anymore? People wouldn't believe the truth even if it was told to them. So how can SS and NH die when there are so many fans making anything up to try and keep it alive? To me, SS and NH died a long time.
 

Sakura saying "I don't love Sasuke-kun anymore." Without ambiguous context in wich you can think it's a lie or anything else than the truth. 

 

Also the anime filler is what draws a lot of NH fans (half the time in omakes the anime staff make Sakura say something mean to Naruto only to have Hinata try to talk with him a few seconds later. Doing this over and over causes some sort of brainwashing effect I guess on them)

Yes but there are even more NS filler, and they are even more "important" since a lot of the show Sakura ---> Naruto, but strangely, Nh don't count them, they don't exist to them, just like the real NS moments in the manga. So no, I think that filler has nothing to do with it, it's just pairing glasses that make them only see NH moments and stop them from seeing NS moments. In that case, sure if you only see NH, Nh is the endgame in your mind, it's normal (sarcasm).


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 03:21 AM

idk with all the NH filler over the years in addition to Naruto saying Hinata was pretty and yet in Shippuden calling Sakura ugly seems like they favor NH or it could just be more chum bait for the fans.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 03:30 AM

idk with all the NH filler over the years in addition to Naruto saying Hinata was pretty and yet in Shippuden calling Sakura ugly seems like they favor NH or it could just be more chum bait for the fans.

When did he say that? I don't remember him saying that in any episode?

But as I said, there might be a lot of NH filler (still almost only Hinata ---> Filler), there is even more NS filler (and those fillers are in 2 senses Naruto ---> Sakura and Sakura ---> Naruto)


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 03:36 AM

When did he say that? I don't remember him saying that in any episode?
But as I said, there might be a lot of NH filler (still almost only Hinata ---> Filler), there is even more NS filler (and those fillers are in 2 senses Naruto ---> Sakura and Sakura ---> Naruto)


It was after the famous waterfall scene forgot which episode specifically but it was the episode where him and Team 8 tried to look for the beetle with the long nose to track Sasuke's scent

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 03:41 AM

It was after the famous waterfall scene forgot which episode specifically but it was the episode where him and Team 8 tried to look for the beetle with the long nose to track Sasuke's scent

Yes, but he didn't even know it was her, it's not even a true NH moment, there was no interaction etween the 2, it could have been a random girl Naruto would have reacted the same when he said that to Kiba. He was just talking abut a pretty girl to him. He never said "Oh my god Kiba! I saw Hinata last night, she was soo pretty, now I love her and not Sakura-chan anymore" You see what I mean, to him it was just A pretty girl, not even Hinata. 


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 03:46 AM

Not surprise about been"Sakura's replacement" in many fan made doujins they change Hinata's personality with Sakura's, yep they turned her into a tsundere. Apparently tsundere Hinata is way better than tsundere Sakura. And that's where the twisted logic comes from.

 
If Sakura hits Naruto she's an abussive b*tch.
If Hinata hits Naruto she's cute and funny.
 
Makes perfect sense right?

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 04:10 AM

Now all NS needs to do to become canon is for Naruto to finally beat Sasuke and bring him back to the village himself, then confess(probable but not definite) then have Sakura return his feelings and convince Naruto this time she's over Sasuke.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 05:54 AM

I lurked at tumblr and found an art? Fanwork? Short Comic? of NH/SS the next day chapter 675 came out. (Believe me, I avoided the NH/SS area but they still appear) It had many likes and people were commenting how it was 'in-character' and 'realistic-ending'. The drawing had Sakura embracing Sasuke with tears of joy as Sasuke returns to the village, and Hinata standing next to the Hokage Naruto. Okay, the Fanwork might have been sweet but what stood out was that Naruto said, "Thank you for supporting me all this time, Hinata-chan."

Hinata-CHAN?


Lol, wut?


(Why are they so desperate to have Hinata replace Sakura? The "chan" is what Naruto calls to Sakura and Sakura ONLY. Can't they make NH Fanwork with Naruto NOT treating Hinata as Sakura's replacement? I feel so bad for her character now.....)

This thing which you mentioned, says a lot! They always have been wishing for Hinata to be a replacement for Sakura in Naruto's life. This inturn tells us that they are jealous that Sakura has a major share in Naruto's life and a lot lot more than Hinata. And because they envy Sakura they inturn hate her and call her a kitten. They call Sakura a kitten because Hinata can never ever replace Sakura in Naruto's life. Now, they can only create what they want in fiction since the original story cannot be changed. And so in fiction they replace Sakura with Hinata! It just shows what they truly wish and when it does notg ot heir way, they start cursing Sakura. 'Chan' is exclusively for Sakura only!

 

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Sakura chan pulls it of way way way way way way better than this girl!

 

 

Not surprise about been"Sakura's replacement" in many fan made doujins they change Hinata's personality with Sakura's, yep they turned her into a tsundere. Apparently tsundere Hinata is way better than tsundere Sakura. And that's where the twisted logic comes from.

 
If Sakura hits Naruto she's an abussive b*tch.
If Hinata hits Naruto she's cute and funny.
 
Makes perfect sense right?

 

Again, hate for Sakura and love for Hinata!


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 11:14 AM

I feel so bad for Hinata's character ... why does she have to have so many fans that want her to so desperately replace Sakura to the point they would change her personality sometimes? Seriously, that's not even being a real Hinata fan. And having Naruto call Hinata "Hinata-chan?" That's apparently "in-character"? :twitch:

 

Honestly, these fans .... I know no pairing's canon yet, but srsly they come off as so desperate and in denial. More than half of them side-ship either SS or NH and they do it to help their pairing become canon. I seriously believe this. With NaruSaku, it's never been necessary to do that because our pairing can stand it's own ground; SasuKarin has no relevance to NS's development at all.  I'd like to believe that deep down they know the flaws in their logic and only cover it up by being so defensive ... but who knows. Maybe they really do believe their own logic. And if they really do believe all those illogical arguments they say ... then that's just sad. -_-

 

It reminds me of a "debate" with a NH fan I've been having. They went to extreme lengths to parallel MinaKushi to NaruHina by swapping Minato as "Hinata" and Kushina as "Naruto", then said Sakura loves Sasuke and that Naruto's love for Sakura was resolved during the PoaL and he literally didn't like her anymore (Completely ignoring Sai's flashback, Naruto's behavior during her confession etc.) and when I brought up 631 and that Naruto confirmed his affection for Sakura, he was apparently joking around and 632 somehow "proved that" (Completely ignoring how OCC it is for Naruto to be "joking around" about who he likes and how he would say a joke like that when Hinata's in the vicinity and possibly hurt her feelings based on a lie).

 

Then eventually we got to a point where the NH fan starting using interviews as proof, Kishi said Hinata was initially meant to be  a civilian and Naruto's love interest, Hinata and Naruto have amazing development, Kishi said Hinata's a better heroine than Sakura, Hinata's changed more than Sakura, Hinata understands Naruto more than Sakura, 615 confirms NH, and that I was being rude and that I'm delusional for saying 631 killed NH and Naruto friendzoned her in 559. And that "there's no point arguing with a fangirl like me". :roll: The rude insult was even weirder since I didn't insult this fan once.

 

What is up with these fans?? It's like they can't even consider the possibility their ship has no basis. 631 did kill NaruHina because Naruto's affections is still Sakura, if it hadn't then why would he call Sakura his girlfriend with Hinata possibly hearing? He has no romantic conflict and he never had; it is just Sakura. And if I still saw proof Sakura still loved Sasuke, as much as I hate SS, I would admit it. You've seen me believing Sakura had romantic feelings for Sasuke up until 675. 675 is just too obvious for me to say Sakura loves Sasuke anymore. It wouldn't matter if she still did or not to me because either way, Sakura loves Naruto the most and would chose him.

 

I've seen a LOT of things from NH fans, but what still gets about this one in particular was how he tried arguing Naruto stopped liking/loving Sakura after the promise. There is not a word strong enough to describe this denial ... :facepalm:


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 11:30 AM

To me, it feels like fandoms are the one that forced people to hate on a character, especially with false accusations.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:14 PM

Hmmmm alright I think a few days of arguing over chapter 675 deserves a much needed break!! Lol so how bout a quick change of subject to recharge our batteries? :D

Uuuuuuhhh what to talk about though -_-?? Ummmm alright how about Sakura's character design of her shinobi outfit? You think it would be better with or without those long sleeves?? Most of her outfits that she has fought with (not including civilian clothes) are without sleeves so has anyone else been bothered by her war outfits current look??

Note: this is still an off topic question to cut the tension so feel free to cut loose lol :D

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 01:49 PM

Hello 
 
I'm new and from Germany. Sorry my english is bad. 
 
I love Naru / Saku and I have much to fight with German NH fans. 
 
I think I'm the only one who loves NS. 
 
Every day I have to listen to the NH will happen. -. - 
 
NS had long to happen and they are just best friends! 
NH fits better naruto needs a calm oasis. 
Minato Kushina is NH and much more blablabla 
 
I'm done with the nerves, looking here again hope 
 
 
 
 
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Posted 10 May 2014 - 01:51 PM

Nice to meet you. Welcome to H&E. Hope you enjoy. :)

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 02:05 PM

Hmmmm alright I think a few days of arguing over chapter 675 deserves a much needed break!! Lol so how bout a quick change of subject to recharge our batteries? :D

Uuuuuuhhh what to talk about though -_-?? Ummmm alright how about Sakura's character design of her shinobi outfit? You think it would be better with or without those long sleeves?? Most of her outfits that she has fought with (not including civilian clothes) are without sleeves so has anyone else been bothered by her war outfits current look??

Note: this is still an off topic question to cut the tension so feel free to cut loose lol :D

Sakura chan looks cute in whatever clothes she wears ^_^. But if you ask me her normal outfit fits her perfect! Its not like I am bothered by the current one, but her normal pink and red outfit suits her the best!

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 03:02 PM

Sakura chan looks cute in whatever clothes she wears ^_^. But if you ask me her normal outfit fits her perfect! Its not like I am bothered by the current one, but her normal pink and red outfit suits her the best!


I agree with ya XD lol that's why I want sakura to rip off those sleeves of her current outfit so it'll look little similar to red outfit!!! She would kick butt and be look good at the same time!!! :D

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 03:07 PM

I agree with ya XD lol that's why I want sakura to rip off those sleeves of her current outfit so it'll look little similar to red outfit!!! She would kick butt and be look good at the same time!!! :D

Eh!? No, with that olive green jacket on her that would look bad. Besides did anyone notice that in Naruto's current outfit, one sleeve of his jacket is half and the other one is full! It was particularly visible in 675

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 03:51 PM

 

Hello 
 
I'm new and from Germany. Sorry my english is bad. 
 
I love Naru / Saku and I have much to fight with German NH fans. 
 
I think I'm the only one who loves NS. 
 
Every day I have to listen to the NH will happen. -. - 
 
NS had long to happen and they are just best friends! 
NH fits better naruto needs a calm oasis. 
Minato Kushina is NH and much more blablabla 
 
I'm done with the nerves, looking here again hope 
 
 
 
 
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Posted 10 May 2014 - 03:55 PM

 

Not surprise about been"Sakura's replacement" in many fan made doujins they change Hinata's personality with Sakura's, yep they turned her into a tsundere. Apparently tsundere Hinata is way better than tsundere Sakura. And that's where the twisted logic comes from.

 
If Sakura hits Naruto she's an abussive b*tch.
If Hinata hits Naruto she's cute and funny.
 
Makes perfect sense right?

 

 

Sounds like they just hate Sakura for whatever reason... clearly they are tripping on something if tsudere Hinata is somehow not tsudere Sakura. What's scary is tsudere Sakura can only hurt Naruto physically, but that's to his quick healing, he'll be fine... While Hinata charka blocking though  :blink:

 

 

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 03:57 PM

Oh you marketer you  :cool:

 

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 03:59 PM

 

He asked for hope and I shall bring him hope. XD

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