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[Inferno180]

Like you said, if you look at the NaruHina and NaruSaku relationships at the surface, you would probably support NH more, but if you go in-depth, you would realize that there really isn't much there for NH. NS practically has all the development. I mean, I think the reason most people (at least me) like NS is because Sakura went from hating Naruto (irrationally but whatever) to possibly loving him. Development doesn't lie. Just read the manga and you can see it's full of NS interaction. NaruSaku - The Build Up! can speak for me. It's probably the most positive of the popular/large relationships out there. You could say NaruSasu is, but that's pretty much all negative.

This is why it boggles me that NS is so easily dwarfed by NH. Like it's fine if you just like a pairing because of your favorite character, or even if you like the color scheme, but don't try to play off the development and what the author intentionally added in.

@Inferno180 I think it all comes back to Sakura being the most "human" and the most "realistic" character in this manga. She can cry, laugh, yell, and argue because she's not perfect. That's why I love her character so much. Like I can't even imagine Hinata doing half the things I just listed because she's not the kind of character to do so. She's essentially perfect. A nice girl with a perfect body, but what's the appeal in that? I like reading books/manga to see my favorite character grow and overcome obstacles. Sakura faces these challenges all the time and what does she get? Hate. A lot of people dislike Sakura for being "useless" because she's not a godlike character like Naruto and Sasuke, but she's meant to represent real people and the problems real people face...so if you hate Sakura for that, what does that say about yourself?

Sakura is the most "human" because she represented human weakness at first, her only real talent as a ninja naturally was her precision control. But there are reasons why people like Sakura:
1. She has a normal background, everyone else in the series especially the powerhouses have some type of tragedy. The only ones with no real tragedy in their past are a select few like Shikamaru, Ino, Choji, Kiba, Shino, Tenten, 3rd hokage, Minato, etc just not that many. Save Minato and the 3rd hokage, so many people have a pain in their life. Only villains we knew that did what they did were Hidan and Kakuzu, they were villainous for the sake of being evil, they were classic villains, this is why that arc is still one of the best. We did not need to see why they became what they were.
2. The best in this universe are literally those with the best genes. Seriously Senju and Uchiha, everything is the best because they inherited it from the head ninja, the sage of the six paths. I let the uzumaki clan slide because they had enhanced stamina, that is an inherited trait not a kekkei genkkei. Tsunade at most is a half senju (her parent was half senju-half uzumaki, depended on harshiramas son/daughter married, if they married a pure senju then it could have given more dominance to the senju genes leaving Tsunade with the earth affinity but no water type powers, though the stamina of the uzumaki carried over a bit to allow her some power. Anyways what makes use like Sakura is how she despite having no clan powers was able to relate with one who had some of the best but made Tsunade's skills her own.
3. Minato is ordinary too, in many ways he can be compared to sakura like this, both are smart, not from a clan, and prodigies in their own respective talents. Where Sakura is normal and even with others like Iruka and Shizune (not statwise with Shizune though) Minato represents what an ordinary person can do. Tsunade represents the full power form of Sakura's skills, basically she can become like Tsunade in years if she worked enough.
4. Its better to have a character experience difficulties with others than have not experienced it at all. I'm seriously sick of all these "tragedies at a young age" type deals, I love how Sakura learns the reasons for all the pain Naruto had later on like in the start of part 2, she realizes that what she used to think badly of him was that much worse. She felt bad on her own part because of this and more or less makes up much more than her original behavior towards him by actually supporting and caring for him, she only moves forward with Naruto helping him leave his loneliness as a child.
5. I'm sick of the "superman" birth stuff. Seriously, I don't care how anyone ever tries to justify superman as some good hero or icon, he is freaking god in a cape, even his freaking weakness to magic and krytonyte is just so retarded he overcomes it. This is why people are sick of him, for such a powerful hero how can anything be interesting if he does not have some constant counter? I mean batman has limited gear and he is human, but he out thinks and overcomes by creativity, this is why we love batman and absolutely hate superman, we don't want a powerhouse. Heck even goku is the only real counter to superman but we love him because he actually is vulnerable to many things. Even hulk has a weakness in his own rage when it becomes blind fury. This is why in Naruto people tend to find reason to love Sakura where others are basically saying "we need another superman type development" no we really don't. We knew naruto had power and he can reduce mountains to rubble now, but he has a weakness in how long he can control kurama's power. Naruto's internal tug of war with Kurama these past 10 years is something we loved about his character and he finally overcame it, that is what a good hero development is otherwise Naruto would have mastered Kurama in 07 rather than last year. Even Kakashi for as strong as he is, is mostly normal, he is in the same league as Yamato and Anko, only having inherited powers from another. Kakashi's greatest powers are also his weakness, this is why I like Kakashi, he is if anything enhanced but still normal. He is very powerful but its also his biggest weakness. Sakura fits in because she is normal and manages to do better than most others who have these great powers.

These are some of the reasons I like Sakura as do others.

[Chatte]

In all honesty, I can say without a doubt that the sakura confession left a really ambiguous effect on the fanbase. Even if it was real though, the majority of people only consider word for word dialogue over the context things refer too. One thing I just don't really like is how Naruto wiki just labels everything as word for word and the whole confession event from Sakura, they have a part of it saying "despite this attempted emotional manipulation on her part" Seriously, she was trying to make things better for Naruto not worse.

Anyways for the confession, I believe it was fake but Sakura did it in the intention of protecting and helping Naruto for the better, this failed though when she mentioned Sasuke, he knew she would not go all the way out to the iron country just to find and confess to him. The confession part was false, but the second half of this event in chapter 470 is different, Sakura explained how she did not want Naruto putting himself in danger and that he was a jinchurki and this made him a target for Atakstui. She said she wanted Naruto to stop chasing Sasuke if it put him in danger yet Naruto told her he was doing it for his own reasons aside from the promise. If anything Naruto is stubborn and even Sai tells him that she knew he would say that while at the same time as they leave, Sakura is torn and sad over what she did.

Just many fans leave this out, Naruto knew Sakura was lying (not only because he understands her) but it became a deal of site and situation, she would not have come all the way out just to tell him that. He knew there was a motive. Sakura revealed hers before resorting to plan B killing sasuke while Naruto was going to reveal the info about Itachi but Kakashi stopped him.

There are however 3 things that I feel retain impact within this situation but just put more emphasis on NaruSaku:
1. Naruto's lying to themselves line- he said Sakura was lying to herself and then Sakura reacts saying if you don't like me then say so, but he says nothing. Even beyond this when it comes to Sasuke, this line can possibly impact Sakura, as lying to herself about Sasuke the whole time.
2. Her love for Sasuke is an internal struggle for her character alongside the efforts and pain she developed alongside Naruto. Her development is driven in between what Naruto and Sasuke have done and become. Sakura still loving Sasuke is part of the drama for her character, Sakura was made to represent human weakness, emotion is the biggest weakness but also what makes people what they are. For Sakura, her weakness is emotion to what Naruto puts himself through and what Sasuke became, but its her development that can let her overcome this: maturity, maturity lets you deal with emotion better and overcome what was once a mental weakness. Sasuke has become a mental weakness towards Sakura but she also has a mental strength towards Naruto. Its her development of overcoming an ideal love and old perceptions and realizing what the real thing is. Basically for Sakura this comes down to knowing the difference between what she once thought she wanted (Sasuke) and gaining something that she always wanted but in a different way (Naruto). Basically for Sakura, its as kishi said in the interview, it could be her mind saying one thing but her heart says another, she is just unsure and afraid because of both the pain and suffering she caused Naruto feeling bad and how she can only do the small things she felt unworthy of his efforts. But its also because he is a part of her life and someone she herself cares about and she realizes he loves her, she gets hope and gives hope to him and just as he is determined to finish the job, Sakura herself is determined to help Naruto this late in the series in anyway she can. Its all a matter of Sakura getting over Sasuke, overcoming old ideals for what is truly important to her.
3. Naruto's love for Sakura: People often tend to forget that Naruto is a guy who would rather have people be who they are, after Sakura's mention of Sasuke he didn't believe her, but he did find out why she did it, all for his sake and as sai said, it was for your feelings and i felt like it was my fault, blame me if anything for what she has done. It wouldn't make sense of him to stay mad or just be over her. Naruto is a forgiving guy, if in this situation Naruto had been over Sakura or stayed mad at her it would be contradictory to his character or just be illogical. Contradictory being that he gives up on her despite saying he never does, this would mean he does give up and accepts failure which would mean he cannot achieve anything which means he cannot become hokage or save the world by this argument, a boy will not be able to defy a literal god in this case with the ten tails fight. The illogical part would be if he did not forgive Sakura or stayed mad at her. He an forgive those who did horrendous stuff like Nagato and later Kurama but not Sakura who only tried to make things better at the cost of her own? Thats just insane logic.
For Naruto, for years he has loved Sakura to the point we find out his merits for Sakura he considers in the same league for hokage, he needs Sasuke back for the self validation for both of them. Naruto is a guy who puts Sakura's happiness first and never interfere in her love, he would only want to be with Sakura if he got Sasuke back or if she came to him on her own. Naruto knew there was a situation in the last confession event, this is why he pressed her for information. When the situation changes such as the battlefield or especially when Sasuke comes back, Sakura can still confront him about his love for her or about Sasuke. Sakura can even apologize and show openness to naruto. Many people forget that Sakura is a tsundere, she limits her openness with Naruto but this late in the series, that openness is becoming greater, its at the point she can read him as well as he can read her. Both still have concern and faith in the other. As the databook said, Sakura still has not found an answer about Naruto. Kishi also didn't say Sakura does not love Naruto. Naruto is close to her that is a fact despite the present love of Sasuke. Sakura can go into a character arc and gradually move towards Naruto and many events in the manga can bring this forward. Chp 540 and 615 for Sakura may still factor in, Tsunade possibly can as well. There is no notion of Naruto being over Sakura especially since 615 for Hinata was cut short as well. Sakura can confront Naruto again and Naruto can see her change, especially if she displays concern when the time comes for him and Sasuke to face each other. Sakura is concerned for Naruto and she does have feelings for him, just if these feelings are beyond friendship remains to be seen.

Brilliantly said! Really, you amaze me! The only thing I would like to add about Naruto's love for Sakura and when you mentioned that he doesn't believe her when she brings-up Sasuke.
Really true! You know why? Because if we look at him before Sakura brings up Sasuke, he believes her. His facial expression says that. He is like "Really? My dream came true and Sakura-chan loves me?" He let himself and his emotions for her out at that moment, but then again, when he turned back to his own shelf-emotional form self, to say it like this, he starts asking if is a joke. He has a reality check. Come out from the clouds of your wishes, reality isn't like that. And he starts questioning Sakura asking her if it's a joke but she keeps saying "no no no" however, what triggers his thoughts and makes him "right" in a way about Sakura not telling him something/lying to him is when she pronounces Sasuke's name.
That's the trigger and the element twisting the confession plot.
Why does she bring Sasuke? I never brought-him up so there must be something there. But Sakura keeps denying it and that's when he says that line about "I hate people who lie to themselves". Up until now the reader's perception is made: Sakura is lying. And up to a certain point she was. But she wasn't lying about her love for him, she was lying about Konoha's decision. But Naruto not knowing this, he still questions her love for him and that's when Sakura truly becomes true about the confession, if I may say like this. When Naruto dared to say she doesn't love him. So she starts giving those reasons, all which are true and enters her maximum sincerity point when she starts saying her speech about how she has seen him grow from that mischievous little brat he was that she saw him growing and that's when she realized how he has been there for her. That's when Sakura truly says the truth. That's the most real part of her confession that makes her line "I said I love you, Naruto" true. That is undeniable truth. Manga-wise story tells us this. Because Sakura has realized about Naruto all that at the end of part 1, how Naruto was always there for her and how she has seen him grow, how they had cried, laughed and worked together and she has seen him growing behind her eyes and she has seen how 'there' for her he is and she remembers all those feelings that she had in those moments along him and that's when the "From the bottom of my heart, I really... [love you,Naruto]" ->brakets indicate the cut part that would have undeniably made the confession true, however, the ambiguity factor would have faded away, no more drama would have been able to be introduced there and that's why Sakura was cut out by Naruto who keeps becoming more and more nervous. Afterwards, they split up and leave everything in 'fog', nothing unclear, no situation resolved, the whole romantic-drama subplot still being able to be kept alive. So yeah, that is the little detail there. How their love towards each-other has one factor in common what brings and ties them together and what keeps them apart: Sasuke.
Because if Sasuke wouldn't have been brought-up there, Naruto would have believed Sakura's confession. Expression shows us that as I previously said but the problem would have been that Sakura still wasn't 100% truthful to her feelings towards not Naruto, but Sasuke. She stills need to go through that phase where she overcomes her feelings towards Sasuke so she can be truthful to Naruto, not because she doesn't love him, but because she still has feelings for someone else. Call it, "emotional cheating". She first needs to be true to herself, 100%, so she won't live with the guilt of "cheating" Naruto, because I can guarantee she would have them given how much she worries for Naruto and that would lead to a broken relationship.
As for Naruto, he wouldn't live in a lie and wouldn't be fair to him, even if Sakura truly loved him, but it wouldn't be fair to him for Sakura still to have feelings for Sasuke after everything.
This love needs to be 100% pure. It is pure, however, it's being polluted. Not to bash on Sasuke, though, just trying to describe a situation here, in manga-wise romantic plot. He is the virus in their computer system that they need to get away of so that they can enjoy their truthful love towards each other.
Anyway, this is what I had to say. I was about to say only the first line, but then, I got myself into a LAP.
Oh, God...

Edited by Chatte, 28 April 2013 - 05:26 PM.

[Canadian_DJ]

He could write even further, but I have to ask how much more must he need to write before Sakura gets noticed? Even us the NS seem to forget how much of an impact Sakura makes. Look at Slextrem's build up thread. Look how everyone seems to forget how much Sakura was there and then renew their faith because they forgot so much. I swear we the fans have blown so many things out of proportion with the NH fans making an even bigger racket. If I had an NS or NH explain to me the manga that is Naruto, I bet you it wouldn't even be close to what the actual manga is.

NH fans make it seem like Hinata was always there and yet flipping through the pages she hardly was ever there. Maybe two moments she was actually "there." Every other time Naruto always ended up going to her and saving her like a damsel in distress. NS fans cry that Sakura needs more attention yet she has been a good portion of attention since the beginning. Her confession and the pages following was basically following her. We get a NH moment in the last 20 chapters and we blow it out of proportion making it seem like this makes such a huge impact. Then we have the NH who downright deny all things NS related because they refuse to see the manga for what it is. Blinded by pairing goggles.

Reality speaking, it isn't as bad as people think it is. So we haven't seen Sakura do anything lately Naruto related. I am glad she isn't. This means she is more than just a pairing fodder. If she sucked off leeched off Naruto like Hinata leeched off him, I would hate her even more. I would say she is just another pretty face in the crowd, but I know within my heart she is a strong willed woman you don't want to piss off who will one day be as, if not more, powerful than Tsunade and we know how BA she is.

I don't see any future for Hinata at all. Not even leader of her clan. Knowing her, she would probably deny it just so she could spend time with Naruto which is bad. She has no other focus or dreams. She has no other ambitions. It would have been nice if we had this story where, even if she gave up the leadership, she gave it to Neji because she felt he was better. This breaks down the previous Hyuuga history and says "Yes, Neji's family are not outcasts anymore. They are equal, not lesser."

I mean, please my friends, realize this. Look at how you all reacted to Slextrem's thread. Are we gonna let whatever happened in 615 overplay everything that has happened? I understand you want Sakura to have one more feat of strength. I understand you want one last time to see her stretch her stuff before the final battle, but don't forget everything Sakura has done and all the strength she has shown throughout the entire manga. NH already neglects these facts, let's not be that way either. We're so busy wanting a moment recently and whining about one that we forgot everything that has happened.

I never forgot what Sakura has done. I never forgot what she said in 573 that I still believe blew away the lover-nin scene. Sakura is aware of what the future will bring and she has chosen to side with Naruto. "No matter what you say, we're going to be together..." I felt more enlightened than Hinata's "I am gonna hold your hand" speech. It's just goes to show how much Sakura really knows Naruto and how little Hinata knows. I don't even think of the lover-nin scene anymore because of 573. That's how much of an impact that scene has made on me.

We have to stop forgetting the road we took to get to this point.

Just wanted to drop this by....

*walks out*

[TouKen4Life3g]

Like you said, if you look at the NaruHina and NaruSaku relationships at the surface, you would probably support NH more, but if you go in-depth, you would realize that there really isn't much there for NH. NS practically has all the development. I mean, I think the reason most people (at least me) like NS is because Sakura went from hating Naruto (irrationally but whatever) to possibly loving him. Development doesn't lie. Just read the manga and you can see it's full of NS interaction. NaruSaku - The Build Up! can speak for me. It's probably the most positive of the popular/large relationships out there. You could say NaruSasu is, but that's pretty much all negative.

This is why it boggles me that NS is so easily dwarfed by NH. Like it's fine if you just like a pairing because of your favorite character, or even if you like the color scheme, but don't try to play off the development and what the author intentionally added in.

This.

I do think the same about her from hating him to loving him is a good storytelling. It's not like she's a popular girl who always jump ship when the guy becomes popular. She's the girl that really makes mistakes and go on with her life. She really knows Naruto from top to bottom. Yes, that thread is just incredible.

Too many LAPs to read. Time for knowledge power!

[Inferno180]

Brilliantly said! Really, you amaze me! The only thing I would like to add about Naruto's love for Sakura and when you mentioned that he doesn't believe her when she brings-up Sasuke.
Really true! You know why? Because if we look at him before Sakura brings up Sasuke, he believes her. His facial expression says that. He is like "Really? My dream came true and Sakura-chan loves me?" He let himself and his emotions for her out at that moment, but then again, when he turned back to his own shelf-emotional form self, to say it like this, he starts asking if is a joke. He has a reality check. Come out from the clouds of your wishes, reality isn't like that. And he starts questioning Sakura asking her if it's a joke but she keeps saying "no no no" however, what triggers his thoughts and makes him "right" in a way about Sakura not telling him something/lying to him is when she pronounces Sasuke's name.
That's the trigger and the element twisting the confession plot.
Why does she bring Sasuke? I never brought-him up so there must be something there. But Sakura keeps denying it and that's when he says that line about "I hate people who lie to themselves". Up until now the reader's perception is made: Sakura is lying. And up to a certain point she was. But she wasn't lying about her love for him, she was lying about Konoha's decision. But Naruto not knowing this, he still questions her love for him and that's when Sakura truly becomes true about the confession, if I may say like this. When Naruto dared to say she doesn't love him. So she starts giving those reasons, all which are true and enters her maximum sincerity point when she starts saying her speech about how she has seen him grow from that mischievous little brat he was that she saw him growing and that's when she realized how he has been there for her. That's when Sakura truly says the truth. That's the most real part of her confession that makes her line "I said I love you, Naruto" true. That is undeniable truth. Manga-wise story tells us this. Because Sakura has realized about Naruto all that at the end of part 1, how Naruto was always there for her and how she has seen him grow, how they had cried, laughed and worked together and she has seen him growing behind her eyes and she has seen how 'there' for her he is and she remembers all those feelings that she had in those moments along him and that's when the "From the bottom of my heart, I really... [love you,Naruto]" ->brakets indicate the cut part that would have undeniably made the confession true, however, the ambiguity factor would have faded away, no more drama would have been able to be introduced there and that's why Sakura was cut out by Naruto who keeps becoming more and more nervous. Afterwards, they split up and leave everything in 'fog', nothing unclear, no situation resolved, the whole romantic-drama subplot still being able to be kept alive. So yeah, that is the little detail there. How their love towards each-other has one factor in common what brings and ties them together and what keeps them apart: Sasuke.
Because if Sasuke wouldn't have been brought-up there, Naruto would have believed Sakura's confession. Expression shows us that as I previously said but the problem would have been that Sakura still wasn't 100% truthful to her feelings towards not Naruto, but Sasuke. She stills need to go through that phase where she overcomes her feelings towards Sasuke so she can be truthful to Naruto, not because she doesn't love him, but because she still has feelings for someone else. Call it, "emotional cheating". She first needs to be true to herself, 100%, so she won't live with the guilt of "cheating" Naruto, because I can guarantee she would have them given how much she worries for Naruto and that would lead to a broken relationship.
As for Naruto, he wouldn't live in a lie and wouldn't be fair to him, even if Sakura truly loved him, but it wouldn't be fair to him for Sakura still to have feelings for Sasuke after everything.
This love needs to be 100% pure. It is pure, however, it's being polluted. Not to bash on Sasuke, though, just trying to describe a situation here, in manga-wise romantic plot. He is the virus in their computer system that they need to get away of so that they can enjoy their truthful love towards each other.
Anyway, this is what I had to say. I was about to say only the first line, but then, I got myself into a LAP.
Oh, God...

Depending on what really was intentionally meant if she was honest about loving Naruto or had it as an attempt to distract him away from Sasuke and get him in the village, both still have the purpose of being for his feelings, wellbeing, and can still result in a revisit especially when Sasuke gets around. I still think its she said it at the time it was a lie but its the conflict she has with her old love for Sasuke and what he became along with Naruto's efforts and love for her along with the pain she caused him that will merit this as a revisit. Sakura will confront Naruto again, this is just something too critical to leave behind, same with the "How can I" stuff from Naruto. Despite any of these, Sakura can confront Naruto again but it would be under better conditions and after further development. For Sakura, it can be a matter of her showing great concern towards naruto practically crying if needed, if Naruto saw her crying for him, that could be the game changer. Same with Sakura being selfless in anything from apologizing to him in the land of iron, asking why he loves her, to even saying something like this in some type of pre-Naruto vs. Sasuke speech.

"Don't mind me anymore in this, I've caused you pain and its always been my duty as your teammate to help you but you've always been left with these burdens, I've always wanted to do more but I've could not, but now I've decided to stand help in anyway I can till the end, I'm going to help you in this no matter what you say, I once said we would do it together, I intend to keep that promise to you. The promise you made to me, no matter if you complete it or not, I'm not upset and I understand why you feel that way, don't complete this promise only for me, do it for yourself if anything, you have always tried so long in trying to make others happy, so please if you have to do this for anyone, do it for yourself. I have faith you will find a good ending in us all for team 7, you, me, kakashi-sensi, and sasuke. We will all be laughing again as you once said and I still believe you can do it. You always proved people wrong no matter how high the stakes were, yet you always moved forward. Its about time you finished that promise, make us believe in the naruto we have seen just moments before, be the Naruto we all believe in, the one that defied what others have said he never could achieve yet he always makes his dreams come true, finish this, return with Sasuke and make that dream of yours, hokage, become real at last, just a few years ago I remembered you as nothing more than a mere nuisance in the village and treated you as something I never wanted, yet look where we are now, the entire shinobi world is following you. Everyone here believes in you just like when you alone saved the village from pain. Everyone has entrusted so much to you and believes in you. Lord Jiriaya, Tsunade-sama, Kakashi-sensei, all the kage, even the hokage of the past have entrusted the future with you. Even I believe in you, I want to see the Naruto I always see proving people wrong and fulfill what was never thought possible. I want to see you fulfill that dream of yours."


Yeah its wishful thinking but something like that could come up. Generally something with Sakura being fully open and showing her concern, support, and stating how Naruto is truly important to her could be enough and all we really need. She is going to be concerned for him no questions when the fighting becomes more intense and then when Sasuke comes back into the action. Actually I can see Sakura giving Naruto some speech before the climax with Sasuke or possibly around the time the reinforcements come. Even with Sasuke coming back, one thing I can assure Sakura is not going to just leave Naruto behind, she is on his side in some many ways its impossible to count.

[Chatte]

I don't know if you got it from anime or manga, but I'll just say this: Sakura didn't like him because Naruto made himself a bad reputation to begin with. He was annoying and immature brat who does pranks and caused nothing but trouble. Sakura didn't like him not because of parents but because of him. She was right, but the only thing she's wrong is to talk back at him with bad comment. Also, she did get bullied in her childhood, so the way she described him is bully, which of course she don't want to go through that again. This centers around Naruto as a person.

Let's go to Hinata. Hinata's relationship with Naruto is going by his nindo, not as a person. When you look back at the moment when Hinata talked about Kiba being wrong, she addressing the side of Naruto not giving up and prove them he is strong. She watched him trained, so she feels like she shouldn't give up and thus, motivated by him. That's it. The problems are plenty and to be honest, I don't think Kishi really intended to make the love story for her but more for anime/fans to play with. Ok, if she's destined to be the one for Naruto, why Naruto never reflect her to save him from loneliness? Why she appeared now? Why she doesn't talk to him with issues he have? Why doesn't she go beyond nindo relationship? Why not support him for saving Sasuke? Why only appear for like 3-4 arcs, while 3 of them matters more for her character? I will give you one answer: that's not her character.

While I am fully aware of her being around since childhood, Sakura is the same. Naruto already had a crush with her so something must have trigger the crush phase long time ago. Again, Sakura got her reasons to dislike him and honestly, it's legit. Now that she's with him in a team, she learned that she's wrong. I mean Hinata saw him, so it's not like she supports him before knowing his work effort. It takes one to know a guy to understand a guy. To me, they're no different but Sakura has a huge advantage over Hinata because her character is developed to learn everything about Naruto: his nindo, his strength, his triumph, his happiness, sadness, anger, niceness (especially to her), and many, many, more. Why you think that even anime knows that it's best to put Sakura to be the worrying bride of the story? You know, the one that cries for the guy who may die. Hinata has this but hardly when it's truly end of the road. She got worried in Pain Arc because she can see what's happening and Naruto wasn't really at its end, though trouble, just not game over.

Now allow me to tackle on 615 and the recent chapter. You may think Hinata knows more than Sakura in that scene, right? Actually, no, not really. Here's why: Sakura can do this phase as well if she was there, as well as saying in her terms that may have more meaning that actually can change Naruto in his direction. So why Hinata? Couple of things: one is that Neji died for Naruto and Hinata because he pretty much played redemption route from his actions in Chuunin Exam, hence no longer called a genius. That said Hinata is related to him, so this plays well to close Hyuuga situation all in one. Second, that volume is made about friendships, as well as closing their characters altogether. Therefore, Hinata is part of this and she needed a shining moment, so there you go. Lastly, the whole 615 plays like a nindo challenge because whether Naruto was giving up or not, he was stunned. So, Hinata talks to him and while friends going far for him is new, the giving up part is still in play, which makes sense for her since it's still center on nindo. There's no like talking about past people dying for him or his dreams or anything. Kuruma took care the past and present talk because Hinata don't know that as well as it's not her character.

Now the recent chapter, don't you think Hinata should say those lines that Sakura said? She should but again, not her character. Sakura was right for this moment because she gets worried when Naruto is on the verge of exhaustion. That said she cares for him as a person, and not saying that he should keep his nindo up, because that's not the problem. The problem is him. He can die at anytime or get severely injured. Naruto doesn't look hurt now, but once he's out of chakra, he's done for. That situation is much more serious than anything else.

I'm not here to change your mind or anything, but all I'm saying is that Hinata seems deserving because her character doesn't go in-depth with Naruto or just herself. It's always about getting strong and never giving up. Sakura is more human and more complex because we see her much more often than Hinata, as well as Kishi putting more work to her. By that I mean mental developments. Action comes and go but it can still have more. So bottom line, Sakura deserves Naruto. That's my opinion and not changing it.

I am speechless! I wanted to say something about it but at the moment I am speechless given the amazingness of this post [inventing words, gee]
Anyway, I will probably get back at ya when I remember what I wanted to say, lol.

Depending on what really was intentionally meant if she was honest about loving Naruto or had it as an attempt to distract him away from Sasuke and get him in the village, both still have the purpose of being for his feelings, wellbeing, and can still result in a revisit especially when Sasuke gets around. I still think its she said it at the time it was a lie but its the conflict she has with her old love for Sasuke and what he became along with Naruto's efforts and love for her along with the pain she caused him that will merit this as a revisit. Sakura will confront Naruto again, this is just something too critical to leave behind, same with the "How can I" stuff from Naruto. Despite any of these, Sakura can confront Naruto again but it would be under better conditions and after further development. For Sakura, it can be a matter of her showing great concern towards naruto practically crying if needed, if Naruto saw her crying for him, that could be the game changer. Same with Sakura being selfless in anything from apologizing to him in the land of iron, asking why he loves her, to even saying something like this in some type of pre-Naruto vs. Sasuke speech.

"Don't mind me anymore in this, I've caused you pain and its always been my duty as your teammate to help you but you've always been left with these burdens, I've always wanted to do more but I've could not, but now I've decided to stand help in anyway I can till the end, I'm going to help you in this no matter what you say, I once said we would do it together, I intend to keep that promise to you. The promise you made to me, no matter if you complete it or not, I'm not upset and I understand why you feel that way, don't complete this promise only for me, do it for yourself if anything, you have always tried so long in trying to make others happy, so please if you have to do this for anyone, do it for yourself. I have faith you will find a good ending in us all for team 7, you, me, kakashi-sensi, and sasuke. We will all be laughing again as you once said and I still believe you can do it. You always proved people wrong no matter how high the stakes were, yet you always moved forward. Its about time you finished that promise, make us believe in the naruto we have seen just moments before, be the Naruto we all believe in, the one that defied what others have said he never could achieve yet he always makes his dreams come true, finish this, return with Sasuke and make that dream of yours, hokage, become real at last, just a few years ago I remembered you as nothing more than a mere nuisance in the village and treated you as something I never wanted, yet look where we are now, the entire shinobi world is following you. Everyone here believes in you just like when you alone saved the village from pain. Everyone has entrusted so much to you and believes in you. Lord Jiriaya, Tsunade-sama, Kakashi-sensei, all the kage, even the hokage of the past have entrusted the future with you. Even I believe in you, I want to see the Naruto I always see proving people wrong and fulfill what was never thought possible. I want to see you fulfill that dream of yours."


Yeah its wishful thinking but something like that could come up. Generally something with Sakura being fully open and showing her concern, support, and stating how Naruto is truly important to her could be enough and all we really need. She is going to be concerned for him no questions when the fighting becomes more intense and then when Sasuke comes back into the action. Actually I can see Sakura giving Naruto some speech before the climax with Sasuke or possibly around the time the reinforcements come. Even with Sasuke coming back, one thing I can assure Sakura is not going to just leave Naruto behind, she is on his side in some many ways its impossible to count.

You are right indeed about what you say, however, as I said, I maintain my pov in regards to her confession. And I will remain entitled to it not because I say it, it's because of these crazy stuff I am seeing lately. Lie to me truly is a genius series, lol!
Maybe someday, after I see more of it, I will try to link it to Sakura's character and explain through it. Sakura and NaruSaku. It's... brilliant!

Edited by Chatte, 28 April 2013 - 06:58 PM.

[HauntedCake]

"Don't mind me anymore in this, I've caused you pain and its always been my duty as your teammate to help you but you've always been left with these burdens, I've always wanted to do more but I've could not, but now I've decided to stand help in anyway I can till the end, I'm going to help you in this no matter what you say, I once said we would do it together, I intend to keep that promise to you. The promise you made to me, no matter if you complete it or not, I'm not upset and I understand why you feel that way, don't complete this promise only for me, do it for yourself if anything, you have always tried so long in trying to make others happy, so please if you have to do this for anyone, do it for yourself. I have faith you will find a good ending in us all for team 7, you, me, kakashi-sensi, and sasuke. We will all be laughing again as you once said and I still believe you can do it. You always proved people wrong no matter how high the stakes were, yet you always moved forward. Its about time you finished that promise, make us believe in the naruto we have seen just moments before, be the Naruto we all believe in, the one that defied what others have said he never could achieve yet he always makes his dreams come true, finish this, return with Sasuke and make that dream of yours, hokage, become real at last, just a few years ago I remembered you as nothing more than a mere nuisance in the village and treated you as something I never wanted, yet look where we are now, the entire shinobi world is following you. Everyone here believes in you just like when you alone saved the village from pain. Everyone has entrusted so much to you and believes in you. Lord Jiriaya, Tsunade-sama, Kakashi-sensei, all the kage, even the hokage of the past have entrusted the future with you. Even I believe in you, I want to see the Naruto I always see proving people wrong and fulfill what was never thought possible. I want to see you fulfill that dream of yours."

The feels

I'd love something like this but maybe she would go on to say "I want to see you fulfill that dream of yours because i love you Naruto"

[TouKen4Life3g]

I am speechless! I wanted to say something about it but at the moment I am speechless given the amazingness of this post [inventing words, gee]
Anyway, I will probably get back at ya when I remember what I wanted to say, lol.

Lol no problem. Glad you read it and like it. It's been a while I wrote a LAP.

[Chatte]

Lol no problem. Glad you read it and like it. It's been a while I wrote a LAP.

I know, same for me, lol!

[TouKen4Life3g]

I know, same for me, lol!

Lol thanks bthug(?). You stir all of us with LAPs. Not to say you should change your mind by force but feel free to see any second thoughts.

I think I should create a new topic before more LAPs arrive.

[Chatte]

Lol thanks bthug(?). You stir all of us with LAPs. Not to say you should change your mind by force but feel free to see any second thoughts.

I think I should create a new topic before more LAPs arrive.

I didn't get to respond to THAT lap, yet, lol!
I have many things I soo have to take care of.
My Sakura analysis.
The Build-up.
My life-experience similar to NaruSaku.
My theory about the Heaven and Earth, NaruSaku and SasuKarin (sorry for those who don't enjoy it, they are part of it too, Kishi made it clear they're the second Heaven and Earth so I consider that they are part of this concept, even though some of us don't like it -sorry about the short rambling)
The Humanity element in the manga I said Sakura represents which some told me I am not right about it, though my point was once again proven thanks to the Edo Tensei army -> Zabuza to be more exact and Hashirama's flashbacks.
I was thinking to do something like the Design for the NS Build-Up to show how Sakura and Kushina really are alike.
To make some LAPs about both NS and NH confessions, with the good and bad points of theirs and show which one has more depth to it and why it has the upper hand over the other -> of course NS>NH. To explain it why.
Write something about Hinata in comparison with Sakura, to show people how they both are the same in some parts, but clearly different.

And that's kind it..
A lot of stuff I have to do.
Meh, anyway, sorry to bring this up to you guys, probably totally uninteresting. Sorry once again.

LE: OH and to show how Sakura's confession was real based on this series I am watching - Lie to Me.

Now, that's a lot! T_T

Edited by Chatte, 28 April 2013 - 07:34 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I didn't get to respond to THAT lap, yet, lol!
I have many things I soo have to take care of.
My Sakura analysis.
The Build-up.
My life-experience similar to NaruSaku.
My theory about the Heaven and Earth, NaruSaku and SasuKarin (sorry for those who don't enjoy it, they are part of it too, Kishi made it clear they're the second Heaven and Earth so I consider that they are part of this concept, even though some of us don't like it -sorry about the short rambling)
The Humanity element in the manga I said Sakura represents which some told me I am not right about it, though my point was once again proven thanks to the Edo Tensei army -> Zabuza to be more exact and Hashirama's flashbacks.
I was thinking to do something like the Design for the NS Build-Up to show how Sakura and Kushina really are alike.
To make some LAPs about both NS and NH confessions, with the good and bad points of theirs and show which one has more depth to it and why it has the upper hand over the other -> of course NS>NH. To explain it why.
Write something about Hinata in comparison with Sakura, to show people how they both are the same in some parts, but clearly different.

And that's kind it..
A lot of stuff I have to do.
Meh, anyway, sorry to bring this up to you guys, probably totally uninteresting. Sorry once again.

LE: OH and to show how Sakura's confession was real based on this series I am watching - Lie to Me.

Now, that's a lot! T_T

Uninteresting?! Who said that?! I would love to see your LAP describing all of your notes. I can already imagine how great it will be. I wouldn't mind about other pairings. I am 100% ok with it. So please, feel free to write one, I look forward to it.

Kushina and Sakura comparison will be great too. I can feel the strong love coming from all this.

[Dkey]

I didn't get to respond to THAT lap, yet, lol!
I have many things I soo have to take care of.
My Sakura analysis.
The Build-up.
My life-experience similar to NaruSaku.
My theory about the Heaven and Earth, NaruSaku and SasuKarin (sorry for those who don't enjoy it, they are part of it too, Kishi made it clear they're the second Heaven and Earth so I consider that they are part of this concept, even though some of us don't like it -sorry about the short rambling)
The Humanity element in the manga I said Sakura represents which some told me I am not right about it, though my point was once again proven thanks to the Edo Tensei army -> Zabuza to be more exact and Hashirama's flashbacks.
I was thinking to do something like the Design for the NS Build-Up to show how Sakura and Kushina really are alike.
To make some LAPs about both NS and NH confessions, with the good and bad points of theirs and show which one has more depth to it and why it has the upper hand over the other -> of course NS>NH. To explain it why.
Write something about Hinata in comparison with Sakura, to show people how they both are the same in some parts, but clearly different.

And that's kind it..
A lot of stuff I have to do.
Meh, anyway, sorry to bring this up to you guys, probably totally uninteresting. Sorry once again.

LE: OH and to show how Sakura's confession was real based on this series I am watching - Lie to Me.

Now, that's a lot! T_T

Uninterested? Who is uninterested?

But you really have a handful of writing. Well don't stop if you still feel like doing them. I personally enjoy your analyses all of them.

[Chatte]

Uninteresting?! Who said that?! I would love to see your LAP describing all of your notes. I can already imagine how great it will be. I wouldn't mind about other pairings. I am 100% ok with it. So please, feel free to write one, I look forward to it.

Kushina and Sakura comparison will be great too. I can feel the strong love coming from all this.

Uninterested? Who is uninterested?

But you really have a handful of writing. Well don't stop if you still feel like doing them. I personally enjoy your analyses all of them.

Forgot to add one: based on what I found @NF, to write about the "Red string of thread" concept in the manga-wise storytelling concept.

May I cry now?
The thing is, that there are so many, I just don't know when to start and, above all, the time to do it. I really have time issues.
Found a new job, better paid, have 2 blogs to launch and the usual real life issues.
I just hope to get time to LIVE and do them all, lol! All until Naruto series doesn't end that would make me write about even more stuff. T_T

Thanks a lot, guys, btw, glad to see people enjoy my ramblings though sometimes I find it hard to express all of this even in my own language, imagine English. I just know I am right. I am not a narcissistic b*tch, lol, sorry for the language, I just know based on other literature and the story-structure, complexity, contextuality and all those stuff, that I am right. And I am proved right when the manga shows up. But it's hard to express it and tell people that I am right because I might sound-off like a bratty,braggy (?), full of herself person, when in reality I am not. I just don't know how to properly express myself.
Oh, God!

[Dkey]

Forgot to add one: based on what I found @NF, to write about the "Red string of thread" concept in the manga-wise storytelling concept.

May I cry now?
The thing is, that there are so many, I just don't know when to start and, above all, the time to do it. I really have time issues.
Found a new job, better paid, have 2 blogs to launch and the usual real life issues.
I just hope to get time to LIVE and do them all, lol! All until Naruto series doesn't end that would make me write about even more stuff. T_T

Thanks a lot, guys, btw, glad to see people enjoy my ramblings though sometimes I find it hard to express all of this even in my own language, imagine English. I just know I am right. I am not a narcissistic b*tch, lol, sorry for the language, I just know based on other literature and the story-structure, complexity, contextuality and all those stuff, that I am right. And I am proved right when the manga shows up. But it's hard to express it and tell people that I am right because I might sound-off like a bratty,braggy (?), full of herself person, when in reality I am not. I just don't know how to properly express myself.
Oh, God!

I feel you, there usually are a lot of stuff that one knows it's important and necessary to do, so best focus on those for now.

Now of course there's another side, all of those LAPs are things that I assume you want to do and share it to all of us but no one is pressuring you to do them.

And there's an upside.

1 Mai and Easter is coming so take a break from all of this

[TouKen4Life3g]

Forgot to add one: based on what I found @NF, to write about the "Red string of thread" concept in the manga-wise storytelling concept.

May I cry now?
The thing is, that there are so many, I just don't know when to start and, above all, the time to do it. I really have time issues.
Found a new job, better paid, have 2 blogs to launch and the usual real life issues.
I just hope to get time to LIVE and do them all, lol! All until Naruto series doesn't end that would make me write about even more stuff. T_T

Thanks a lot, guys, btw, glad to see people enjoy my ramblings though sometimes I find it hard to express all of this even in my own language, imagine English. I just know I am right. I am not a narcissistic b*tch, lol, sorry for the language, I just know based on other literature and the story-structure, complexity, contextuality and all those stuff, that I am right. And I am proved right when the manga shows up. But it's hard to express it and tell people that I am right because I might sound-off like a bratty,braggy (?), full of herself person, when in reality I am not. I just don't know how to properly express myself.
Oh, God!

Lol it feels like how nervous you felt doing a podcast with James and I. Don't worry, we understand. I always enjoy your work, but I remember you disappeared for a while. I know we all are human, so it's understandable. Now that you're here, if you have all the time you need, perhaps you should write what you think that people should take a consideration. Perhaps the first 3 topics you addressed or you could your own two cents on Hinata vs. Sakura. Anything is welcome and anything you would like to write first. So, if you like to write, I know I'll be reading it. Otherwise, it's understandable.

[Chatte]

I feel you, there usually are a lot of stuff that one knows it's important and necessary to do, so best focus on those for now.

Now of course there's another side, all of those LAPs are things that I assume you want to do and share it to all of us but no one is pressuring you to do them.

And there's an upside.

1 Mai and Easter is coming so take a break from all of this

Exactly. For now I want to just concentrate on doing the Build-up and then, finish the Heaven and Earth theory.
Afterwards, on long term, continue with my Sakura analysis. While in-between to stick the other stuff.
I somehow fave them optimized in my head, I just need to chill, like you said, because I get veeery but very fiery and fiesty and passionate about it, lol. And all I think it's that, haha. Lucky is that I am quite lazy as well. My mind fights with my body, haha.
And yes, on 1 May and Easter I really need to take a break and disconnect myself. Maybe I should go visit Brasov or something.

Lol it feels like how nervous you felt doing a podcast with James and I. Don't worry, we understand. I always enjoy your work, but I remember you disappeared for a while. I know we all are human, so it's understandable. Now that you're here, if you have all the time you need, perhaps you should write what you think that people should take a consideration. Perhaps the first 3 topics you addressed or you could your own two cents on Hinata vs. Sakura. Anything is welcome and anything you would like to write first. So, if you like to write, I know I'll be reading it. Otherwise, it's understandable.

Yeah, I felt nervous because it's very very hard to explain it, plus, I need to be in a proper environment for that. Sadly, I disappeared, indeed. No Skype, no forums, barely Tumblr.
But that was all because well, it all happened strange. I found myself a boyfriend, our relationship is almost copy-carbon with NaruSaku, lol. Both know ourselves from our young years, both strong-headed like them two, both had fights while caring about each other and not knowing what those feels are, until we got together by accident, more or less. I kinda premeditated it, so did he. And in the end we found out why: because we were loving each other. At first, platonic. Then it bloomed in romantic. That's why I am sure NS will be cannon, besides the manga-wise storytelling. I just know it and when I am confident about stuff, I get a bit, I admit it, cocky sometimes about it and overconfident, might sound a bit narcissistic, I am human, in the end, but in the same time, I just try to keep my cool headed and explain people.
That's basically what happened with my long lap against that NH guy with the HUG scene.
Then after my boyfriend, I found some nasty stuff, my own cousin betrayed me, kicked me out from the job, had to look for another one and implicitly a new place to live, a new computer, money, all those stuff so I went MIA.
But now I try to get back as best as possible, but in the same time maintain a good balance between the two. Live my real life equally the way I live my virtual life, if I may say like this.
Gah, another long LAP that's not even NS related, in a way or another.
Gee I talk a lot today, don't I? Heheh!

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah, I felt nervous because it's very very hard to explain it, plus, I need to be in a proper environment for that. Sadly, I disappeared, indeed. No Skype, no forums, barely Tumblr.
But that was all because well, it all happened strange. I found myself a boyfriend, our relationship is almost copy-carbon with NaruSaku, lol. Both know ourselves from our young years, both strong-headed like them two, both had fights while caring about each other and not knowing what those feels are, until we got together by accident, more or less. I kinda premeditated it, so did he. And in the end we found out why: because we were loving each other. At first, platonic. Then it bloomed in romantic. That's why I am sure NS will be cannon, besides the manga-wise storytelling. I just know it and when I am confident about stuff, I get a bit, I admit it, cocky sometimes about it and overconfident, might sound a bit narcissistic, I am human, in the end, but in the same time, I just try to keep my cool headed and explain people.
That's basically what happened with my long lap against that NH guy with the HUG scene.
Then after my boyfriend, I found some nasty stuff, my own cousin betrayed me, kicked me out from the job, had to look for another one and implicitly a new place to live, a new computer, money, all those stuff so I went MIA.
But now I try to get back as best as possible, but in the same time maintain a good balance between the two. Live my real life equally the way I live my virtual life, if I may say like this.
Gah, another long LAP that's not even NS related, in a way or another.
Gee I talk a lot today, don't I? Heheh!

I think I am talking a lot today too. Right now, I'm helping that guy who is worried about Sasuke being good which I have to explain. So yeah, I'm like a virtual doctor. Wow, that seems like a crazy story, but you're climbing back up so this is good. Glad to see you back. Well, whatever you feel like talking about today should be good. Maybe a comparison of Kushina/Sakura would be nice.

[Chatte]

I think I am talking a lot today too. Right now, I'm helping that guy who is worried about Sasuke being good which I have to explain. So yeah, I'm like a virtual doctor. Wow, that seems like a crazy story, but you're climbing back up so this is good. Glad to see you back. Well, whatever you feel like talking about today should be good. Maybe a comparison of Kushina/Sakura would be nice.

The comparison I want to do consists in images. Because personality-wise we know it.
Actually, what I wanna do is show how NaruSaku = MinaKushi like Naruto = Sakura, Sakura = Naruto but I think I will skip that part because it's obvious, on the other hand, show how Sakura = Kushina and when it's Naruto = Kushina, in the same time it's Sakura = Minato.Dunno if I make sense, but you get it. ^^Hopefully heheh!
And thanks, its' good to be back, to be honest!

[TouKen4Life3g]

The comparison I want to do consists in images. Because personality-wise we know it.
Actually, what I wanna do is show how NaruSaku = MinaKushi like Naruto = Sakura, Sakura = Naruto but I think I will skip that part because it's obvious, on the other hand, show how Sakura = Kushina and when it's Naruto = Kushina, in the same time it's Sakura = Minato.Dunno if I make sense, but you get it. ^^Hopefully heheh!
And thanks, its' good to be back, to be honest!

Oh I get it. Lol. Don't stress yourself.

I wonder if bthug (?) is reading our LAPs. It will be nice that we were able to help him/her about NH and NS. I don't know if he/she will have second thoughts, but everyone to themselves.