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[Dkey]

The way things are going right now in the manga Sakura will have some role, a role I don't see Hinata having.

Sasuke will come to the battle and we will see what 540 really meant.

Naruto is running out of energy and it might tie up with her monologue in 573.

And after all of this it's Obito. Who is trying to convince Naruto to give up.

[Inferno180]

Yeah, you are truly right. I mean I see that hug of hers a way to compensate to Hinata's sacrifice and to show him how much she cares too and also, the obvious, to thank him and relieve herself that he is ok.
Why do I say to compensate? Well, we all know Sakura's issues with "I do the little dumbest things for Naruto" and probably when she realized that Hinata loves Naruto and she had just seen that Hinata gave her life for that, she definitely had that in mind. Like "Look at me, Hinata gave her life for Naruto, she loves him so much, yet I only do the dumbest things". It's a mixture of feelings here...
As for the links, let me edit and give them back the right way.

The debate with the NH fan: http://chatte-georgi...-type-of-nh-fan
or if it doesn't work, page 24: http://chatte-georgi...blr.com/page/24

And about the confession part: http://chatte-georgi...ession-to#notes

Or if it doesn't work, the page: http://chatte-georgi...blr.com/page/31

In all honesty, I can say without a doubt that the sakura confession left a really ambiguous effect on the fanbase. Even if it was real though, the majority of people only consider word for word dialogue over the context things refer too. One thing I just don't really like is how Naruto wiki just labels everything as word for word and the whole confession event from Sakura, they have a part of it saying "despite this attempted emotional manipulation on her part" Seriously, she was trying to make things better for Naruto not worse.

Anyways for the confession, I believe it was fake but Sakura did it in the intention of protecting and helping Naruto for the better, this failed though when she mentioned Sasuke, he knew she would not go all the way out to the iron country just to find and confess to him. The confession part was false, but the second half of this event in chapter 470 is different, Sakura explained how she did not want Naruto putting himself in danger and that he was a jinchurki and this made him a target for Atakstui. She said she wanted Naruto to stop chasing Sasuke if it put him in danger yet Naruto told her he was doing it for his own reasons aside from the promise. If anything Naruto is stubborn and even Sai tells him that she knew he would say that while at the same time as they leave, Sakura is torn and sad over what she did.

Just many fans leave this out, Naruto knew Sakura was lying (not only because he understands her) but it became a deal of site and situation, she would not have come all the way out just to tell him that. He knew there was a motive. Sakura revealed hers before resorting to plan B killing sasuke while Naruto was going to reveal the info about Itachi but Kakashi stopped him.

There are however 3 things that I feel retain impact within this situation but just put more emphasis on NaruSaku:
1. Naruto's lying to themselves line- he said Sakura was lying to herself and then Sakura reacts saying if you don't like me then say so, but he says nothing. Even beyond this when it comes to Sasuke, this line can possibly impact Sakura, as lying to herself about Sasuke the whole time.
2. Her love for Sasuke is an internal struggle for her character alongside the efforts and pain she developed alongside Naruto. Her development is driven in between what Naruto and Sasuke have done and become. Sakura still loving Sasuke is part of the drama for her character, Sakura was made to represent human weakness, emotion is the biggest weakness but also what makes people what they are. For Sakura, her weakness is emotion to what Naruto puts himself through and what Sasuke became, but its her development that can let her overcome this: maturity, maturity lets you deal with emotion better and overcome what was once a mental weakness. Sasuke has become a mental weakness towards Sakura but she also has a mental strength towards Naruto. Its her development of overcoming an ideal love and old perceptions and realizing what the real thing is. Basically for Sakura this comes down to knowing the difference between what she once thought she wanted (Sasuke) and gaining something that she always wanted but in a different way (Naruto). Basically for Sakura, its as kishi said in the interview, it could be her mind saying one thing but her heart says another, she is just unsure and afraid because of both the pain and suffering she caused Naruto feeling bad and how she can only do the small things she felt unworthy of his efforts. But its also because he is a part of her life and someone she herself cares about and she realizes he loves her, she gets hope and gives hope to him and just as he is determined to finish the job, Sakura herself is determined to help Naruto this late in the series in anyway she can. Its all a matter of Sakura getting over Sasuke, overcoming old ideals for what is truly important to her.
3. Naruto's love for Sakura: People often tend to forget that Naruto is a guy who would rather have people be who they are, after Sakura's mention of Sasuke he didn't believe her, but he did find out why she did it, all for his sake and as sai said, it was for your feelings and i felt like it was my fault, blame me if anything for what she has done. It wouldn't make sense of him to stay mad or just be over her. Naruto is a forgiving guy, if in this situation Naruto had been over Sakura or stayed mad at her it would be contradictory to his character or just be illogical. Contradictory being that he gives up on her despite saying he never does, this would mean he does give up and accepts failure which would mean he cannot achieve anything which means he cannot become hokage or save the world by this argument, a boy will not be able to defy a literal god in this case with the ten tails fight. The illogical part would be if he did not forgive Sakura or stayed mad at her. He an forgive those who did horrendous stuff like Nagato and later Kurama but not Sakura who only tried to make things better at the cost of her own? Thats just insane logic.
For Naruto, for years he has loved Sakura to the point we find out his merits for Sakura he considers in the same league for hokage, he needs Sasuke back for the self validation for both of them. Naruto is a guy who puts Sakura's happiness first and never interfere in her love, he would only want to be with Sakura if he got Sasuke back or if she came to him on her own. Naruto knew there was a situation in the last confession event, this is why he pressed her for information. When the situation changes such as the battlefield or especially when Sasuke comes back, Sakura can still confront him about his love for her or about Sasuke. Sakura can even apologize and show openness to naruto. Many people forget that Sakura is a tsundere, she limits her openness with Naruto but this late in the series, that openness is becoming greater, its at the point she can read him as well as he can read her. Both still have concern and faith in the other. As the databook said, Sakura still has not found an answer about Naruto. Kishi also didn't say Sakura does not love Naruto. Naruto is close to her that is a fact despite the present love of Sasuke. Sakura can go into a character arc and gradually move towards Naruto and many events in the manga can bring this forward. Chp 540 and 615 for Sakura may still factor in, Tsunade possibly can as well. There is no notion of Naruto being over Sakura especially since 615 for Hinata was cut short as well. Sakura can confront Naruto again and Naruto can see her change, especially if she displays concern when the time comes for him and Sasuke to face each other. Sakura is concerned for Naruto and she does have feelings for him, just if these feelings are beyond friendship remains to be seen.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah, you are truly right. I mean I see that hug of hers a way to compensate to Hinata's sacrifice and to show him how much she cares too and also, the obvious, to thank him and relieve herself that he is ok.
Why do I say to compensate? Well, we all know Sakura's issues with "I do the little dumbest things for Naruto" and probably when she realized that Hinata loves Naruto and she had just seen that Hinata gave her life for that, she definitely had that in mind. Like "Look at me, Hinata gave her life for Naruto, she loves him so much, yet I only do the dumbest things". It's a mixture of feelings here...
As for the links, let me edit and give them back the right way.

The debate with the NH fan: http://chatte-georgi...-type-of-nh-fan
or if it doesn't work, page 24: http://chatte-georgi...blr.com/page/24

And about the confession part: http://chatte-georgi...ession-to#notes

Or if it doesn't work, the page: http://chatte-georgi...blr.com/page/31

Oh man, you nailed it in those posts, especially the hug vs hand holding. This is what I have been saying for a long time and you went into crazy details. Wonderful. I wish this site has the rep system, so I can rep you for this. I do like how you point out that once Naruto returns to the village, he was dazed since he never thought thousands would be waiting for him, cheering. Now he's famous. Before the hip-hip hooray scene, NS closed it. Funny how NS always get the last moment of the arc. I do like how you point out that Hinata would be ok with NS as Sakura seems to have hard time to like Naruto being with another. It's not a bad thing, it's just that her love is very serious.

That's why it's hard to know which love between Sasuke and Naruto is more "real". I'm sure she's serious about Sasuke but I do believe she's much more serious with Naruto. When you see this from a character, whether he/she aware of it or not, that means it's a serious thing. Imagine this, if Hinata and Naruto accidentally kissed each other and Sakura sees it, it goes two ways. One is comedy reaction, which means it's not as serious and she may not have strong feelings after all. If she reacted the second way, which is shocked and broken, then it's really serious, which enters a drama scene. Remember, if a kiss scene happens in front of the person and that person reacted negatively, then it's no joke. Again, it doesnt really matter if the person knows his/her feelings, it's what the person react to the situation.

The way things are going right now in the manga Sakura will have some role, a role I don't see Hinata having.

Sasuke will come to the battle and we will see what 540 really meant.

Naruto is running out of energy and it might tie up with her monologue in 573.

And after all of this it's Obito. Who is trying to convince Naruto to give up.

Yeah, there's a lot for main characters to go through soon.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 28 April 2013 - 03:08 PM.

[HauntedCake]

That's why it's hard to justify her love with Sasuke and Naruto. I'm sure she's serious about Sasuke but I do believe she's much more serious with Naruto. When you see this from a character, whether he/she aware of it or not, that means it's a serious thing. Imagine this, if Hinata and Naruto accidentally kissed each other and Sakura sees it, it goes two ways. One is comedy reaction, which means it's not as serious and she may not have strong feelings after all. If she reacted the second way, which is shocked and broken, then it's really serious, which enters a drama scene. Remember, if a kiss scene happens in front of the person and that person reacted negatively, then it's no joke. Again, it doesnt really matter if the person knows his/her feelings, it's what the person react to the situation.

Hard to justify her love for Naruto???? how so??

[TouKen4Life3g]

Hard to justify her love for Naruto???? how so??

Actually I think I used the wrong term. One moment...

Edit: I updated it.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 28 April 2013 - 03:08 PM.

[bthug]

You guys I have had a change of heart.

Hinata has like Naruto since the beginning right? For who he is right? Regardless of what ppl thought, how powerful he was, or how many times he saved the day. She liked him for him.

Sakura is like the pretty douchy girl in highschool, who paid no attention to Naruto, judged him before she knew him, made fun of him etc.. Besides I don't Naruto to be liked just for what he does and then go crawling back to Sakura. Naruto is gonna end up being the douchy kid who gains popularity and forgets who he is and how ppl treated him prior.

So it just seems fair and right that Hinata should end up with Naruto, I liked Sakura cause she was the "pretty girl" (imo) and the main female protagonist but Hinata is the better person.

[sushi.]

IMO Hinata can not love Naruto for being himself. Because he doesn't give her something of himself, like he does for Sakura. Example: In the POAL he basically gave his all for her, and that's when Sakura realizes something important.

In the end, they'll give themselves completely to eachother. Or maybe I watch too much FMA. XD

btw bthug, that sounds like an american high school fic.

Edited by sushi., 28 April 2013 - 03:45 PM.

[HauntedCake]

You guys I have had a change of heart.

Hinata has like Naruto since the beginning right? For who he is right? Regardless of what ppl thought, how powerful he was, or how many times he saved the day. She liked him for him.

Sakura is like the pretty douchy girl in highschool, who paid no attention to Naruto, judged him before she knew him, made fun of him etc.. Besides I don't Naruto to be liked just for what he does and then go crawling back to Sakura. Naruto is gonna end up being the douchy kid who gains popularity and forgets who he is and how ppl treated him prior.

So it just seems fair and right that Hinata should end up with Naruto, I liked Sakura cause she was the "pretty girl" (imo) and the main female protagonist but Hinata is the better person.

Bolded: agreed

Underlined: Fair and right for Hinata yes... but for Naruto you are saying it's fair and right for him to give up on who he really loves just to make Hinata happy??? Yet again It's Naruto who has to sacrifice for others.... Naruto going for Hinata would be out of pure pity to some extent as he could relate to her when it comes to unrequited love. Sad really, their relationship would be based off of pity and empathy rather then what a relationship should contain, love.

Bring me back to the Naruto being Sakura second place prize... same applies to Hinata for Naruto.

[Inferno180]

Bolded: agreed

Underlined: Fair and right for Hinata yes... but for Naruto you are saying it's fair and right for him to give up on who he really loves just to make Hinata happy??? Yet again It's Naruto who has to sacrifice for others.... Naruto going for Hinata would be out of pure pity to some extent as he could relate to her when it comes to unrequited love. Sad really, their relationship would be based off of pity and empathy rather then what a relationship should contain, love.

Bring me back to the Naruto being Sakura second place prize... same applies to Hinata for Naruto.

Any arguments about Sakura going with Naruto would be out of pity, that is exactly what would happen with Naruto giving up on Sakura just to go to Hinata, Naruto has a goal tied to his love for sakura and becoming hokage, that is sasuke. No Sasuke means not only no Sakura but also no Hokage. Last I checked too, did Naruto have any feelings of self worth that made him feel he was undeserving of Hinata? Didn't think so.

[FoolishYoungling]

You guys I have had a change of heart.

Hinata has like Naruto since the beginning right? For who he is right? Regardless of what ppl thought, how powerful he was, or how many times he saved the day. She liked him for him.

Sakura is like the pretty douchy girl in highschool, who paid no attention to Naruto, judged him before she knew him, made fun of him etc.. Besides I don't Naruto to be liked just for what he does and then go crawling back to Sakura. Naruto is gonna end up being the douchy kid who gains popularity and forgets who he is and how ppl treated him prior.

So it just seems fair and right that Hinata should end up with Naruto, I liked Sakura cause she was the "pretty girl" (imo) and the main female protagonist but Hinata is the better person.

Bolded:

You must be trolling right now.

[PhenixElite]

You guys I have had a change of heart.

Hinata has like Naruto since the beginning right? For who he is right? Regardless of what ppl thought, how powerful he was, or how many times he saved the day. She liked him for him.

Sakura is like the pretty douchy girl in highschool, who paid no attention to Naruto, judged him before she knew him, made fun of him etc.. Besides I don't Naruto to be liked just for what he does and then go crawling back to Sakura. Naruto is gonna end up being the douchy kid who gains popularity and forgets who he is and how ppl treated him prior.

So it just seems fair and right that Hinata should end up with Naruto, I liked Sakura cause she was the "pretty girl" (imo) and the main female protagonist but Hinata is the better person.

Ohh, so you got the NH view of rooting for the sidecharacter to win XD.
Youre now just saying that you want the sidecharacter to acchieve the goals instead of the main character.

Think about it. Naruto has also loved sakura from the beginning and called hinata weird. He has done everything possible to make sakura happy and win her, dont you think he deserves to be with her in the end?
You just said the exactly same thing, only difference: You take the sidecharacters point of view instead of the main protoganist´s.

[FrenchMyToast]

I think it's unfortunate that people actually have to write pages of info on how surprised Naruto was when he got hugged. Like just look at his face. You don't even have to be a NS fan to see that he most likely didn't return the hug because he was shocked, not disgusted. Though Chatte, you're a true warrior for doing all that.

@bthug There's a couple things I can say about your post. But I think you're forgetting Naruto's feelings, or you're just covering them up with Hinata's.

1. Your scenario is fine but this isn't a High School romance, and Hinata isn't the main character. Naruto is the main character and what he wants is > than what a side character wants.

2. You're heading into the "deserving someone" territory. Love isn't about deserving. If anybody does deserve the person they love, it would be Naruto. Do you realize all the emotional and physical grief he has to go through due to Sakura's feelings for Sasuke? I admire Naruto for going through that and not complaining.

3. Well you're saying that Hinata liked Naruto for being himself. I'm not too sure on this one, but didn't she first start having feelings for him because he never gave up and gave her hope? The problem with what you're saying is that it's arguable that Sakura knows more about Naruto than Hinata. All Hinata really knows is his nindo. Has she even acknowledged his goal for becoming Hokage and how important it is to him? Sakura did that in the first round of Chuunin Exams. Before she even liked him (romantically or as a friend).

4. You're saying that Sakura only likes him because of his popularity? Wow... If anything, she only liked Sasuke due to his popularity. I haven't actually heard this one before, but it's kind of ridiculous.

Edited by FrenchMyToast, 28 April 2013 - 04:04 PM.

[Chatte]

Oh man, you nailed it in those posts, especially the hug vs hand holding. This is what I have been saying for a long time and you went into crazy details. Wonderful. I wish this site has the rep system, so I can rep you for this. I do like how you point out that once Naruto returns to the village, he was dazed since he never thought thousands would be waiting for him, cheering. Now he's famous. Before the hip-hip hooray scene, NS closed it. Funny how NS always get the last moment of the arc. I do like how you point out that Hinata would be ok with NS as Sakura seems to have hard time to like Naruto being with another. It's not a bad thing, it's just that her love is very serious.

That's why it's hard to know which love between Sasuke and Naruto is more "real". I'm sure she's serious about Sasuke but I do believe she's much more serious with Naruto. When you see this from a character, whether he/she aware of it or not, that means it's a serious thing. Imagine this, if Hinata and Naruto accidentally kissed each other and Sakura sees it, it goes two ways. One is comedy reaction, which means it's not as serious and she may not have strong feelings after all. If she reacted the second way, which is shocked and broken, then it's really serious, which enters a drama scene. Remember, if a kiss scene happens in front of the person and that person reacted negatively, then it's no joke. Again, it doesnt really matter if the person knows his/her feelings, it's what the person react to the situation.


Yeah, there's a lot for main characters to go through soon.

I think it's unfortunate that people actually have to write pages of info on how surprised Naruto was when he got hugged. Like just look at his face. You don't even have to be a NS fan to see that he most likely didn't return the hug because he was shocked, not disgusted. Though Chatte, you're a true warrior for doing all that.

Thanks guys! That was on my mind for a long time ago and usually I like to make scenarios in my head about the psychological state of a drawn character. I imagine it being a real person and start reading his face and also put in context. And this is how I got to explain it that good. And that, one week or so before I started watching "Lie to Me" series.
From yesterday I started watching this series. I recommend it to every each of you. Helps a lot to interpret scenes like these. Glad I found out that the concept I was having in mind it's actually a true thing, lol. I know ther are some real stuff but meh, dunno.
Anyway, thanks!
Gonna come back to add my two cents about the other things discussed in a while. Gotta go eat now, hehe.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Bolded:

You must be trolling right now.

most efficient responce possible.

Besides are we really going to judge Sakura for what she did when she was 12. Shes 16 now and she got her act together. And she has spent most of part 2 making up for ignoring him. While Hinata "loved" him so much she watch him be all alone and suffering instead of being there for him. Why? Because she is shy. And that is a selfish excuse for no making the life of the one you love just a bit happier.

If you look at Naruto, what has he done during SS moments. He stood there and watched. he didn`t make a scene. And when the PoAL came around he swallowed all the pain and sadness he had to bring him back and make her happy. And he wasn`t half worried that they may not end up together. It was her happiness that was imporant to him.

Hinata was ALWAYS thinking of herself. How to improve herself, how she can be with Naruto, how pathetic she is. When Naruto was about to die, she was worried about her love not his life. On the other hand theres Sakura who was always worried about his well being and was proactivly keeping him alive.

Now if were going to compare this to a highschool situation. Which situation is better:

• Looser kid, loves pretty girl who loves popular boy and ignores him. The find eachother in true love and get together.
• Shy girl loves looser boy who loves pretty girl who loves popular boy. Shy girl confesses to looser boy and they start dating out of loneliness.

I would take the first option any day. Wouldn`t you?

[Sojobo]

Bolded: agreed

Underlined: Fair and right for Hinata yes... but for Naruto you are saying it's fair and right for him to give up on who he really loves just to make Hinata happy??? Yet again It's Naruto who has to sacrifice for others.... Naruto going for Hinata would be out of pure pity to some extent as he could relate to her when it comes to unrequited love. Sad really, their relationship would be based off of pity and empathy rather then what a relationship should contain, love.

Bring me back to the Naruto being Sakura second place prize... same applies to Hinata for Naruto.

If Kishi had shown romantic feelings for Naruto towards Hinata, or even ambiguity, while loving Sakura at the same time, I would agree with bthug.
But... this is only showed with Sakura, and THIS is why seeing her moving on her first love isn't considered here as "pure pity" or a second choice, because she coudn't win Sasuke's love.
Kishimoto showed us that Sakura can love Sasuke so much and yet not knowing the nature of her feelings for Naruto.

It's not complicated to understand this situation in wich Sakura is. If you're askign yourself about a guy you're not supposed to love what feeling you have for him, it's quiete obvious you're not really in love with the one supposed to be your strongest love. She can realize the nature of her feelings for Sasuke, but she can't for Naruto. Why ? To me it's obvious, when you begin to know real love, you can't explain this feeling in words. Sometimes yoy can't really understand it. And this is love, an unexplained feeling.



In the NH pairing, we don't see Naruto haveing those doubts, he never showed ambiguity towards Hinata, he never asked himself what Hinata was for him, he never denied his feelings for Sakura, he even sacrificed himself for that, wich prove that he loves her so much, that even Sai can't bear it anymore to see him suffer.
See him moving on and accept Hinata's feelings is in my point of view a second choice. Because Naruto never showed any thing for Hinata until now, this give me that impression, while in contrary, Sakura can justify he rmoving on Sasuke.

The difference between Naruto and Sakura moving on is that Naruto never showed us doubting about Sakura, while Sakura at the beginning of the manga was already asking herself about her feelings for him, wich can be interpretated as "she already is in love with him, but for some reason, she can't realize that yet."

Even if to me, Hinata is also a better person that Sakura, I don't think she would be better for Naruto.
She's to kind, she just follow Naruto, she doesn't have soemthing other in mind.

While Sakura, can be very gentle but has also a lot of authority, wich Naruto needs a lot. She works already with the Hokage, so she can be helpful as Naruto's woman inside and outside his Hokage's work (reading papers, and other stuff), she's very smart, and complete Naruto with her inteligence. She has nice parents, wich gives new parents to Naruto, while Hinata only has a father, wich isn't always there for her, because of his duty, etc....


HEAVEN AND EARTH damn you!! ^^
Sakura is the best woman for Naruto in my point of view, but I agree, I would like to have more a woman like Hinata than Sakura. xD

[TouKen4Life3g]

You guys I have had a change of heart.

Hinata has like Naruto since the beginning right? For who he is right? Regardless of what ppl thought, how powerful he was, or how many times he saved the day. She liked him for him.

Sakura is like the pretty douchy girl in highschool, who paid no attention to Naruto, judged him before she knew him, made fun of him etc.. Besides I don't Naruto to be liked just for what he does and then go crawling back to Sakura. Naruto is gonna end up being the douchy kid who gains popularity and forgets who he is and how ppl treated him prior.

So it just seems fair and right that Hinata should end up with Naruto, I liked Sakura cause she was the "pretty girl" (imo) and the main female protagonist but Hinata is the better person.

I don't know if you got it from anime or manga, but I'll just say this: Sakura didn't like him because Naruto made himself a bad reputation to begin with. He was annoying and immature brat who does pranks and caused nothing but trouble. Sakura didn't like him not because of parents but because of him. She was right, but the only thing she's wrong is to talk back at him with bad comment. Also, she did get bullied in her childhood, so the way she described him is bully, which of course she don't want to go through that again. This centers around Naruto as a person.

Let's go to Hinata. Hinata's relationship with Naruto is going by his nindo, not as a person. When you look back at the moment when Hinata talked about Kiba being wrong, she addressing the side of Naruto not giving up and prove them he is strong. She watched him trained, so she feels like she shouldn't give up and thus, motivated by him. That's it. The problems are plenty and to be honest, I don't think Kishi really intended to make the love story for her but more for anime/fans to play with. Ok, if she's destined to be the one for Naruto, why Naruto never reflect her to save him from loneliness? Why she appeared now? Why she doesn't talk to him with issues he have? Why doesn't she go beyond nindo relationship? Why not support him for saving Sasuke? Why only appear for like 3-4 arcs, while 3 of them matters more for her character? I will give you one answer: that's not her character.

While I am fully aware of her being around since childhood, Sakura is the same. Naruto already had a crush with her so something must have trigger the crush phase long time ago. Again, Sakura got her reasons to dislike him and honestly, it's legit. Now that she's with him in a team, she learned that she's wrong. I mean Hinata saw him, so it's not like she supports him before knowing his work effort. It takes one to know a guy to understand a guy. To me, they're no different but Sakura has a huge advantage over Hinata because her character is developed to learn everything about Naruto: his nindo, his strength, his triumph, his happiness, sadness, anger, niceness (especially to her), and many, many, more. Why you think that even anime knows that it's best to put Sakura to be the worrying bride of the story? You know, the one that cries for the guy who may die. Hinata has this but hardly when it's truly end of the road. She got worried in Pain Arc because she can see what's happening and Naruto wasn't really at its end, though trouble, just not game over.

Now allow me to tackle on 615 and the recent chapter. You may think Hinata knows more than Sakura in that scene, right? Actually, no, not really. Here's why: Sakura can do this phase as well if she was there, as well as saying in her terms that may have more meaning that actually can change Naruto in his direction. So why Hinata? Couple of things: one is that Neji died for Naruto and Hinata because he pretty much played redemption route from his actions in Chuunin Exam, hence no longer called a genius. That said Hinata is related to him, so this plays well to close Hyuuga situation all in one. Second, that volume is made about friendships, as well as closing their characters altogether. Therefore, Hinata is part of this and she needed a shining moment, so there you go. Lastly, the whole 615 plays like a nindo challenge because whether Naruto was giving up or not, he was stunned. So, Hinata talks to him and while friends going far for him is new, the giving up part is still in play, which makes sense for her since it's still center on nindo. There's no like talking about past people dying for him or his dreams or anything. Kuruma took care the past and present talk because Hinata don't know that as well as it's not her character.

Now the recent chapter, don't you think Hinata should say those lines that Sakura said? She should but again, not her character. Sakura was right for this moment because she gets worried when Naruto is on the verge of exhaustion. That said she cares for him as a person, and not saying that he should keep his nindo up, because that's not the problem. The problem is him. He can die at anytime or get severely injured. Naruto doesn't look hurt now, but once he's out of chakra, he's done for. That situation is much more serious than anything else.

I'm not here to change your mind or anything, but all I'm saying is that Hinata seems deserving because her character doesn't go in-depth with Naruto or just herself. It's always about getting strong and never giving up. Sakura is more human and more complex because we see her much more often than Hinata, as well as Kishi putting more work to her. By that I mean mental developments. Action comes and go but it can still have more. So bottom line, Sakura deserves Naruto. That's my opinion and not changing it.

[redragon88]

You guys I have had a change of heart.

Hinata has like Naruto since the beginning right? For who he is right? Regardless of what ppl thought, how powerful he was, or how many times he saved the day. She liked him for him.

Sakura is like the pretty douchy girl in highschool, who paid no attention to Naruto, judged him before she knew him, made fun of him etc.. Besides I don't Naruto to be liked just for what he does and then go crawling back to Sakura. Naruto is gonna end up being the douchy kid who gains popularity and forgets who he is and how ppl treated him prior.

So it just seems fair and right that Hinata should end up with Naruto, I liked Sakura cause she was the "pretty girl" (imo) and the main female protagonist but Hinata is the better person.

You're serious? You must be joking.

Hinata didn't like Naruto for him. She fell in love with his determination since it was something that she also aspired to be. Hinata doesn't spend nearly as much time with Naruto to determine that she likes how he acts or anything like that. She's the one that fell in love with what Naruto does.

Also, why is it a problem that Sakura started disliking Naruto? Everyone and there mother started out thinking that Naruto was an idiot, even Iruka facepalmed at his mischief in the first chapter. It was Naruto's job to make everyone notice his good qualities as the series went on, that's the every definition of character development. And let's be honest for a moment, Naruto started out as an annoying brat, but since a lot of time has already passed we tend to forget it.

The only reason we had Hinata liking Naruto was because she had a personal reason to look up to him and it was important to show from the beginning that Naruto had indeed the ability to influence people in a drastic way. Hinata's purpose isn't of a love interest, it's to show how capable the hero is of influencing someone. It's a pretty common role actually.

Why can't Sakura have the right to start out disliking Naruto and then change her mind? Kushina did the exact thing with Minato and they're probably the most loved canon couple in the entire Naruto universe.

What was all that about Naruto becoming a douchy kid? What is this, some american teen sitcom?

What do you mean it's fair and right for Hinata to end with Naruto? Because she liked him from the beginning? Would it be fair and right then for Naruto to end up with Sakura since he liked her from the beginning? Besides, Hinata's love for Naruto is a spec of dust compared to Naruto's love for Sakura. The fact that Naruto always thinks about Sakura's happiness should already tell you that. Hinata's love is centered around herself while Naruto's love is centered around Sakura.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I made a LAP. Don't leave me hanging.

But I have read a lot of yours. Great stuff.

[Inferno180]

I think it's unfortunate that people actually have to write pages of info on how surprised Naruto was when he got hugged. Like just look at his face. You don't even have to be a NS fan to see that he most likely didn't return the hug because he was shocked, not disgusted. Though Chatte, you're a true warrior for doing all that.

@bthug There's a couple things I can say about your post. But I think you're forgetting Naruto's feelings, or you're just covering them up with Hinata's.

1. Your scenario is fine but this isn't a High School romance, and Hinata isn't the main character. Naruto is the main character and what he wants is > than what a side character wants.

2. You're heading into the "deserving someone" territory. Love isn't about deserving. If anybody does deserve the person they love, it would be Naruto. Do you realize all the emotional and physical grief he has to go through due to Sakura's feelings for Sasuke? I admire Naruto for going through that and not complaining.

3. Well you're saying that Hinata liked Naruto for being himself. I'm not too sure on this one, but didn't she first start having feelings for him because he never gave up and gave her hope? The problem with what you're saying is that it's arguable that Sakura knows more about Naruto than Hinata. All Hinata really knows is his nindo. Has she even acknowledged his goal for becoming Hokage and how important it is to him? Sakura did that in the first round of Chuunin Exams. Before she even liked him (romantically or as a friend).

4. You're saying that Sakura only likes him because of his popularity? Wow... If anything, she only liked Sasuke due to his popularity. I haven't actually heard this one before, but it's kind of ridiculous.

Frenchy, you forgot to mention that both Naruto and Sakura have gone through psychological grief over love, Naruto in making Sakura happy and hyperventilating when he found out she wanted to kill Sasuke for the fear he would have lost everything and all his bonds right there, Sakura for what Sasuke became and how she was crying over Naruto loving her and the pain she caused him.

That not enough emotion between Naruto and Sakura?

I don't see Hinata causing this type of grief, its this type of impact and emotion Naruto and Sakura have put on each other and the ways they try to make things better for each other and how they always come back strong and manage to maintain their relationship that makes NS enjoyable as it is. NaruSaku being longer developed and varied relationship with many good qualities but still some issues is what makes it more realistic and just that much more rewarding in the end.

NH is just plain short and simple, not much too it.

Edited by Inferno180, 28 April 2013 - 04:39 PM.

[FrenchMyToast]

I made a LAP. Don't leave me hanging.

But I have read a lot of yours. Great stuff.

Like you said, if you look at the NaruHina and NaruSaku relationships at the surface, you would probably support NH more, but if you go in-depth, you would realize that there really isn't much there for NH. NS practically has all the development. I mean, I think the reason most people (at least me) like NS is because Sakura went from hating Naruto (irrationally but whatever) to possibly loving him. Development doesn't lie. Just read the manga and you can see it's full of NS interaction. NaruSaku - The Build Up! can speak for me. It's probably the most positive of the popular/large relationships out there. You could say NaruSasu is, but that's pretty much all negative.

This is why it boggles me that NS is so easily dwarfed by NH. Like it's fine if you just like a pairing because of your favorite character, or even if you like the color scheme, but don't try to play off the development and what the author intentionally added in.

@Inferno180 I think it all comes back to Sakura being the most "human" and the most "realistic" character in this manga. She can cry, laugh, yell, and argue because she's not perfect. That's why I love her character so much. Like I can't even imagine Hinata doing half the things I just listed because she's not the kind of character to do so. She's essentially perfect. A nice girl with a perfect body, but what's the appeal in that? I like reading books/manga to see my favorite character grow and overcome obstacles. Sakura faces these challenges all the time and what does she get? Hate. A lot of people dislike Sakura for being "useless" because she's not a godlike character like Naruto and Sasuke, but she's meant to represent real people and the problems real people face...so if you hate Sakura for that, what does that say about yourself?