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#18201 James S Cassidy

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 03:52 PM

Am I the only one here who thinks that Sakura isn't in love with Sasuke anymore, not because of how dark Sasuke has become, but because she gradually fell in love with Naruto?

I have a hard time believing that she fell out of love with Sasuke because he is bad. Naruto and Sakura are characters that won't change the view of their loved ones because they became 'bad'. I tend to think that Naruto's existence is what lead her to fall out of love with Sasuke. Naruto's existence in Sakura's heart became so important, so big, that there wasn't a place for Sasuke anymore.

That's just my interpretation.

 

I consider it a combination of both. A little bit of everything. It is not jsut one thing alone that changed Sakura's heart. She started to fall in love with Naruto because she saw everything he had done for her, but still retained those feelings for Sasuke somewhat. After she saw the real Sasuke, she knew that Sasuke was not the man who she thought he was and let go of those feelings. it was painful, but I feel that is what makes her even more heartfelt.

It really makes her a real person to go through so many emotions like this and I can understand her. She goes through a lot and now she is caught in between something. Something she knows she has to make a choice of


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 03:56 PM

Am I the only one here who thinks that Sakura isn't in love with Sasuke anymore, not because of how dark Sasuke has become, but because she gradually fell in love with Naruto?

I have a hard time believing that she fell out of love with Sasuke because he is bad. Naruto and Sakura are characters that won't change the view of their loved ones because they became 'bad'. I tend to think that Naruto's existence is what lead her to fall out of love with Sasuke. Naruto's existence in Sakura's heart became so important, so big, that there wasn't a place for Sasuke anymore.

That's just my interpretation.

Well going by Kakashi's words who said her feelings had changed, It seems like it's not because he's bad, on the contrary, the fact that he's bad doesn't revulse her, he even said that despite it, she still wanted to save him from darkness. It looks more like it's the fact that she's becoming mature that made her feelings for him change. So I think it's neither Sasuke's evilness or her feelings for Naruto that is making her falling out of love with Sasuke, but the fact that she's growing up. 


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 03:58 PM

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 04:10 PM

Am I the only one here who thinks that Sakura isn't in love with Sasuke anymore, not because of how dark Sasuke has become, but because she gradually fell in love with Naruto?

I have a hard time believing that she fell out of love with Sasuke because he is bad. Naruto and Sakura are characters that won't change the view of their loved ones because they became 'bad'. I tend to think that Naruto's existence is what lead her to fall out of love with Sasuke. Naruto's existence in Sakura's heart became so important, so big, that there wasn't a place for Sasuke anymore.

That's just my interpretation.

No, you are not the only one. I see it that way too, but a bit differently!


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 04:11 PM

The real answer people are looking for is just how much sakura's love for sasuke changed and since it cannot be the same, going by anything else of the entire statement, its simple its either increased or decreased but this whole deal with it somehow increasing makes more questions than answers as some people claim its gone from a crush to real mature love, despite the constant negativity or no real hints of SS actually coming, theres been nothing that could even be shown how it somehow progressed to be something more than it was in part 1. Others arguing she will always love sasuke, this just contradicts that entire aspect of her having a different set of feelings how.

 

Its very simple, its either increased or decreased and for those on the increased argument, its just hard to follow because what and I mean what exactly exists, or happened, or hinted that somehow makes this into a bigger love than it was before? Because if it still is like this, it just makes it seem like sakura is just so static in this, then this trait on her just serves no purpose if its never going to be an old trait that changes.

 

The whole aspect of caring for him still and not casting him aside, its not like naruto hasn't thought of sasuke as this. I mean that team 7 aspect again, they care because its the first group or important people to them, etc.

 

Even then people just ignore that whole mistrust and say she really still loves him no issue? Then why did she join in on Kakashi's input? This is just so mindbreaking, people really just either deny the whole aspect of change at first or somehow otherwise say its been increased? What evidence says it increased? Its certainly not the same like part 1 so if it somehow increased, we are still waiting to see this evidence and so far theres been no rebuttal, no reasons given, its like people are just following this path of convince again with not wanting to ask more questions on the who what where when why and how like 615 when they assumed everything was set and done no matters looking at the future stuff and then 631 struck and drove NH fans bananas. When this whole aspect of mistrust is still there and people think that its no issue, because as Sai has no knowledge of what he is talking about but kakashi can be trusted unlike sai, yamato, or minato. My god...

 

I mean I even said for a long time, part of sasukes ending development would be that Sakura would forgive him by naruto and end in friendship, for the feelings to have decreased, its a valid argument going along with how others said she still views him as a dear friend, one needing redemption. I mean i seriously hold to the aspect of just character development, if she hated naruto at first and we got development, a side hint, and sakura at this point wanting him to be hokage, its just amazing how when something like this occurs, people think its all undermined and not even important anymore and this whole changed feelings aspect comes up, people call it set in stone, that she either cannot change (contradicting the immediate statement of it changing) or it changed as in it increased and somehow became better despite the junk he pulled and constant activities that made sakura go to the waterworks. I just, how does this even make sense? I seriously want to hear their evidence for it somehow increasing because we believed it decreased and we can back our argument for that side, I seriously want to hear how it has increased beyond just simple assumptions like she always loves him, has to, or any of that BS, I want real facts, stuff from the manga saying or hinting that her love is somehow better or more mature. Yet no evidence has come forward yet, if they cannot even answer this, being so knowledgable and assured SS will come, thats not evidence then, the aspect of it increasing is just assumptions.



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 04:29 PM

 

I just find humor in the irony of things. It's one thing to "play it safe" I guess, but what happens when "playing it safe" causes you to see things that aren't what they are supposed to be? Like you are too paranoid to the point that you start reading things wrong. Any way you feel about this manga, whether it be optimistic, pessimistic, playing it safe, not caring...all of it tends to lead down the road of paranoia and illusions. I think it goes too far when one keeps automatically jumping to the negative aspect if things without actually really looking at something.

Exactly! I'm sick and tired of playing it "safe" and to see how almost every NS scene is taken with ambiguity but the NH and SS aren't , we have whole manga of NS scenes that shows their progression and little to none from NH and SS  especially the latter . There is no need of paranoia really that only leads you away from seeing the picture like it is and makes you focus more on the negative and not seeing the positive side  like you said , and the worst part is that this is what's been happening in here for quite some time and it makes this place unpleasant to be here .

 

Am I the only one here who thinks that Sakura isn't in love with Sasuke anymore, not because of how dark Sasuke has become, but because she gradually fell in love with Naruto?

I have a hard time believing that she fell out of love with Sasuke because he is bad. Naruto and Sakura are characters that won't change the view of their loved ones because they became 'bad'. I tend to think that Naruto's existence is what lead her to fall out of love with Sasuke. Naruto's existence in Sakura's heart became so important, so big, that there wasn't a place for Sasuke anymore.

That's just my interpretation.

No you are not because there is manga evidence that support this especially Sai's and Yamato's comments that Sakura loves Naruto but has a hard time realizing it . 


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 04:39 PM

Exactly! I'm sick and tired of playing it "safe" and to see how almost every NS scene is taken with ambiguity but the NH and SS aren't , we have whole manga of NS scenes that shows their progression and little to none from NH and SS  especially the latter . There is no need of paranoia really that only leads you away from seeing the picture like it is and makes you focus more on the negative and not seeing the positive side  like you said , and the worst part is that this is what's been happening in here for quite some time and it makes this place unpleasant to be here .

It's not even that, they are twisted to the point NH and SS fans consider thoses NS moments like they didn't even exist, the best example is chapter 631. In their mentality, it's fixed that Naruto confused the word Girlfriend and Girl Friend and it won't change in their mind. Just like this anti-SS moment in this week chapter, in their mind Kakashi's speech reinforced SS and whatever true translation we gave them when we'll have the raw, it won't change anything for them. They completely ignore the truth, so I even wonder why keep wasting our time in trying to show them the truth in this manga like the real dialogue in chapter 631. 


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 05:34 PM

Its better to look things from a logical POV ignoring bias and denial. -Naruto will always love Sakura a fact since the beginning of the manga. -Sasuke has never shown any romantic interest towards Sakura (and never will), another fact. -Sakura's feelings for Sasuke changed to friendship (evidence from the manga she has developed romantic feelings for Naruto) fact. -SS has been friendzoned no matter how much the fandom will deny it. -NH in the dark and almost dead because we know Naruto loves Sakura and now she has moved on from Sasuke. -Safe to say NS is cannon but Kishi will delay it until the last chapter.
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Posted 09 May 2014 - 05:35 PM

It's not even that, they are twisted to the point NH and SS fans consider thoses NS moments like they didn't even exist, the best example is chapter 631. In their mentality, it's fixed that Naruto confused the word Girlfriend and Girl Friend and it won't change in their mind. Just like this anti-SS moment in this week chapter, in their mind Kakashi's speech reinforced SS and whatever true translation we gave them when we'll have the raw, it won't change anything for them. They completely ignore the truth, so I even wonder why keep wasting our time in trying to show them the truth in this manga like the real dialogue in chapter 631. 

I know i doubt that anything would change their mind , but why why would you try to change a translation just to make yourself feel better when you know  that isn't the truth for the love of the SO6P  why ? I feel like their entire fandom is consisted of bunch of five year old children's , Ugh sometimes they make me so sick :sick:  .    


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 06:20 PM

Its better to look things from a logical POV ignoring bias and denial. -Naruto will always love Sakura a fact since the beginning of the manga. -Sasuke has never shown any romantic interest towards Sakura (and never will), another fact. -Sakura's feelings for Sasuke changed to friendship (evidence from the manga she has developed romantic feelings for Naruto) fact. -SS has been friendzoned no matter how much the fandom will deny it. -NH in the dark and almost dead because we know Naruto loves Sakura and now she has moved on from Sasuke. -Safe to say NS is cannon but Kishi will delay it until the last chapter.

Reality is your probably correct... but I've always liked to think that if you try to convince someone long and hard enough, they might end up changing their minds. The way I've always gone at it wasn't through actual force, but a general period over time. I don't mind their dedication quite frankly, because it's up to them, I think what gets me though is that some feel they are never wrong. Because it's hard for me to turn a blind on that type of ignorance, I tend to start conversations which then turn into debates. Been pretty damn patient with other fans lately, though I'm not sure how long it'll last XD


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 07:02 PM

Something still confuses me

Naruto has all 9 tailed beasts, but so does Madara. So when Madara is defeated and the tailed beasts get yanked out, is there gonna be like 2 sets of every bijuu? Is Naruto gonna get another power-up after his fight with Madara?

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 07:04 PM

Something still confuses me

Naruto has all 9 tailed beasts, but so does Madara. So when Madara is defeated and the tailed beasts get yanked out, is there gonna be like 2 sets of every bijuu? Is Naruto gonna get another power-up after his fight with Madara?

I don't think Naruto wants to enslave them. I think he will free them. Otherwise, he can't be touched.

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 07:22 PM

I don't think Naruto wants to enslave them. I think he will free them. Otherwise, he can't be touched.


If he frees them though whats stopping someone else from catching them all like the Akatsuki did?

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 07:31 PM

If he frees them though whats stopping someone else from catching them all like the Akatsuki did?

Well to be fair, most of them were caught as a Jinchuuriki, not as themselves. If the world accepts changes, then you only have to worry about an organization, but even then, they're most likely be together, so you can't get them.

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 08:26 PM

Well if SS is officially dead that means Naruto will no longer be considered a silver medal

Some people have asked this question in other places and it got me curious as well, do you guys think Sakura knows?

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 08:30 PM

Well if SS is officially dead that means Naruto will no longer be considered a silver medal

Some people have asked this question in other places and it got me curious as well, do you guys think Sakura knows?

That's right. No longer a second place.

I have no idea. I think we have to wait and get confirmed.

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 08:52 PM

I guess we'll wait and see but it atleast looks that way, the way Kakashi put it seemed like she moved on but hasn't given up on him as a friend.

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 09:04 PM

Well if SS is officially dead that means Naruto will no longer be considered a silver medal

Some people have asked this question in other places and it got me curious as well, do you guys think Sakura knows?

Agreed. SS needs to be officially decapitated so that argument won't arise if/when NS becomes canon.


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 09:11 PM

Agreed. SS needs to be officially decapitated so that argument won't arise if/when NS becomes canon.

If it was a person, I'll do all executions I have seen in games and it's a lot.

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 10:00 PM

About that 2 set thing... I think Madara and Naruto are both incomplete because Naruto only has half of the bijuu's power while Madara has the other half. At least that's how I see it


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