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#18201 Inferno180

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 04:56 AM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 28 2013, 12:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To be fair though, part of the reason that Hinata got so much filler is that she was really underdeveloped in the manga. That being said, the studio is defnitely going to milk the pairing wars for all they're worth, that's just good business. Though after looking at everything especially the openings and endings, Naruto reaffirming his feelings, and Sakura saying that she loved Sasuke[not loves], I do think that they lean a little more towards NS. In the end though, they are really just giving fan-service to all shippings for the viewers and trying to stay out of a corner depending on which pairing Kishi goes with.

Though I don't really watch the anime anymore, wayyy too much filler.


My only argument is towards ep 166, they just put way too much emphasis on a simple moment, going to the point where it literally could have been that Hinata was killed off. That type of development from the anime and the ending of that episode is the type of stuff you would do like if they knew they would die. Like Jiriaya, they treated the whole event of Hinata facing pain like Jiriaya facing pain cept Jiraya actually died, but he was smiling in his death. Hinata's was an actual buzzkill of the scene, I mean I first remembered reading the confession chapter back in 08 and when I saw Hinata step out on the field I was thinking "dam she did something impressive" then I was thinking Okay Sakura will save her kishi just killed off Kakashi, no way he would just gimp another one so soon. Then rinne tensi comes along and while I was interested at the time that he would have done something with Hinata, guess what? Nothing, for 3 years. Nothing, he does nothing again with Hinata, just stores her in the back, Sakura still got the part of trying to make amends to Naruto, facing the 7 swordsmen with Kakashi and the bushy browed men. She even got a badassery moment with the white zetsu, so where the hell did Hinata go? Nowhere until 615 and it was short.

What I am saying is, for all other characters, they let the development from manga to anime flow as it normally should, even if its something so minor that makes little difference in the overall story, they just let it pass and die. With Hinata, they feel the need to make anything she does somehow distort time and last 5 times longer. If she actually got a fight against some person (not henchmen) and won, the fight would have been dragged on so much longer. Thats the deal. Anything with Hinata in the anime, it seems that it needs to last 5 times longer when the exact motives and purpose are much shorter than they need to be. Yes manga and anime do much dramatic drags, but its just to long with Hinata in this case.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 05:02 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 28 2013, 07:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, Sakura didn't take it well with Hinata loving Naruto. But yeah, hard to say anyway. But the point is that anime usually change it up. In Immortal Arc, she was thinking about Naruto, especially way back in part 1, so she went to her room and thought about what Yamato tried to say. She began to feel confused and tear came out. Normally that was supposed to be Team 7 but for some reason, they changed it or at least the way how its demonstrated. Then Naruto looks up the shooting star and hold tight on Sakura's notes. So yeah, anime tend to "spice" it up.


They most definitely spice it up. All thos filler moments are there just for this reason. But what I liked about that filler in the immortal arc was that it complemented the story. And usually all NS fillers are like that which is awesome. They know they can't go overboard with it so they make subtle hints. Thou episode 235 was a big one.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 05:07 AM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 28 2013, 12:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To be fair though, part of the reason that Hinata got so much filler is that she was really underdeveloped in the manga. That being said, the studio is defnitely going to milk the pairing wars for all they're worth, that's just good business. Though after looking at everything especially the openings and endings, Naruto reaffirming his feelings, and Sakura saying that she loved Sasuke[not loves], I do think that they lean a little more towards NS. In the end though, they are really just giving fan-service to all shippings for the viewers and trying to stay out of a corner depending on which pairing Kishi goes with.

Though I don't really watch the anime anymore, wayyy too much filler.

Oh yeah, she is. She is like Create-a-character character in the world of anime. It's because Hinata really got one goal (unless you really want to count love) and that's all to it. Also, many abilities came from anime only. I keep forgetting that she don't those stuff in the manga. I feel like Kishi just did a favor for anime by having that last new jutsu without even showing it. The studio and/or any other form of media is pretty much sold on NS, so that's why you see them showing off a lot. Lately, they are more noticeable and less hidden. They are flat out saying it. So much, they're wrecking SS for whatever reason. NH usually happens for Hinata and/or act of comedy, hence take advantage for comedy in SD. Because in the manga, it's hardly brought back, which I don't get, so yeah, anime takes advantages and roll with it. They just roll.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 05:09 AM

I forgot about Sakura's questionable expression in 615 .... wonder what Pierrot will do with that if they show it at all. Or worse, twist her expression. They've done that before. Remember the NS feeding scene?

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 05:18 AM

QUOTE (Dkey @ Apr 28 2013, 01:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They most definitely spice it up. All thos filler moments are there just for this reason. But what I liked about that filler in the immortal arc was that it complemented the story. And usually all NS fillers are like that which is awesome. They know they can't go overboard with it so they make subtle hints. Thou episode 235 was a big one.

I'll be honest, Immortal Arc was the only anime arc that I feel that it was better than manga. There were more emotional scenes, NS scenes (me fan inside talking tongue.gif), consistent animation, and overall it flowed very nicely. I really like how they did the whole Team 10 coming together after Asuma's death. I thought it was really done well. Also, I like how supportive Sakura was when Naruto trains. Heck she stood by the rain to watch him. She can get sick you know. laugh.gif Yeah, I really like that arc. Sadly, I wish I can say the same for Pain Arc....God...

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Apr 28 2013, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I forgot about Sakura's questionable expression in 615 .... wonder what Pierrot will do with that if they show it at all. Or worse, twist her expression. They've done that before. Remember the NS feeding scene?

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I don't remember that scene in anime. All I know is that they repeat the hospital scene twice. One for the ending for Immortal Arc and then the original version. I remember they added her blushing after the hug. That was shocking.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 05:31 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 28 2013, 06:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll be honest, Immortal Arc was the only anime arc that I feel that it was better than manga. There were more emotional scenes, NS scenes (me fan inside talking tongue.gif), consistent animation, and overall it flowed very nicely. I really like how they did the whole Team 10 coming together after Asuma's death. I thought it was really done well. Also, I like how supportive Sakura was when Naruto trains. Heck she stood by the rain to watch him. She can get sick you know. laugh.gif Yeah, I really like that arc. Sadly, I wish I can say the same for Pain Arc....God...


I don't remember that scene in anime. All I know is that they repeat the hospital scene twice. One for the ending for Immortal Arc and then the original version. I remember they added her blushing after the hug. That was shocking.

But then they throw in that long fight between pain and Hinata to throw us for another loop. Go figure.

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Of course they drag her out, they're just like Kishi right now. They don't want to be backed into a corner with the pairing wars because when they do, they are going to take a hit. Though the other thing is let's pretend that Kishimoto decides for some wacky, insane, unthinkable, goof-ball, ass-pull, crazy, senseless, unfathomable, stupid, daft, delirious, demented, deranged, dingy, dippy, erratic, flaky, freaked out, fruity, idiotic, kooky, lunatic, mad, maniacal, mental, nutty, screwy, silly reason that he makes NH the end-game. If the studio leaned more towards NS, then they're broadcast of Naruto would not make sense.

The bottom line is that it's all about the money. Pairing wars equals big $$$ for the Studio and Kishi which is why the romance aspect of Naruto is set to be concluded at the end of the Naruto/Sasuke conflict. Regardless of what Naruto's feelings are, he's not going to consider romance until he has resolved his conflict with Sas-ga... ahem Sasuke

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 05:38 AM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 28 2013, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But then they throw in that long fight between pain and Hinata to throw us for another loop. Go figure.

Well, that's not the only reason why I was upset. It was promising once Pain destroyed Konoha and Sakura screaming for Naruto in a great animation no less. Then...it hit rock bottom. Poor animation, odd timing of soundtrack, etc. ruined it. I don't understand how they can ruin a really good fight. Then we got the love/hate episode 167 because while the animation is technically great, it's like watching Looney Tunes with an 2010 budget. So yeah, bottom line, the fight was a mess. No consistency. Look at Immortal Arc. It was consistent and all of them got very good to great animation throughout the fight. So why not in Pain Arc.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 06:11 AM

Well the closer the story gets to the end of the series the harder is for them to bring out filler material.

So they either do something for side characters but even those are resolved, some comedy, some weird arc. And all will feel anticlimactic. For example NS right now.

After the confession came episode 235 who showed that Naruto still loves Sakura and now we had the episode where Sakura said "used to". Nevermind the RTN scenes but if they want to make some more NS moments they really can't go to much with them because they would mess up the story flow.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 06:13 AM

QUOTE (Dkey @ Apr 28 2013, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well the closer the story gets to the end of the series the harder is for them to bring out filler material.

So they either do something for side characters but even those are resolved, some comedy, some weird arc. And all will feel anticlimactic. For example NS right now.

After the confession came episode 235 who showed that Naruto still loves Sakura and now we had the episode where Sakura said "used to". Nevermind the RTN scenes but if they want to make some more NS moments they really can't go to much with them because they would mess up the story flow.

That's true. I do wonder what will happen to the anime once they hit the part where the alliance starts heading to the battle scene. There's no room for fillers.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 07:38 AM

Off topic, but I want a Team 7 reunion (working together) for an extended period, not just one fight. I say this cause I just watched the Sasuke vs Rock Lee episode on toonami and its pretty rad. Like Rock Lee wants to fight Sasuke and Naruto's like " Wait, I wanna take him" and Sasuke goes " take him" in pretty cool way. Then at the end Naruto is like "all im sayin is he trains harder then you" and Sasuke is like "fine this is getting interesting, Naruto! Sakura! lets go!" Naruto " Ya!" include epic music.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 09:47 AM

you know what we shouldnt think about anime our prime concern should be kishi and the manga.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 11:13 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 27 2013, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The so far infamous questionable Sakura panel in chapter 615. The one during Hinata talking to Naruto.


Actually it's the short panel where she's shocked because Hinata has actually slapped Naruto. It's something that will shock anyone considering her shy nature and something someone like her would never do.
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Posted 28 April 2013 - 11:23 AM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Apr 28 2013, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually it's the short panel where she's shocked because Hinata has actually slapped Naruto. It's something that will shock anyone considering her shy nature and something someone like her would never do.

I don't know because it was like 2-3 pages later. I'll just wait until the battle ends to give me the right direction.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 11:32 AM

Dunno but that page definitely meant something, I mean, Kishi doesn't draw things like that for nothing. There has to be a context behind it. Just like in Pain Arc. I mean, I had a debate with a NH fan who in the end told me I am being biased, lol, though I took literally face with face to prove him stuff and explained him how much these things matter in the contextual sense.
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Posted 28 April 2013 - 11:34 AM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Apr 28 2013, 07:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dunno but that page definitely meant something, I mean, Kishi doesn't draw things like that for nothing. There has to be a context behind it. Just like in Pain Arc. I mean, I had a debate with a NH fan who in the end told me I am being biased, lol, though I took literally face with face to prove him stuff and explained him how much these things matter in the contextual sense.

I remember someone in NF FC pointed out few examples on how one panel becomes important later on and had a reason to be there. I believe one came from Kakashi Gaiden and the other I forgot. I know the user too. Perhaps I'll ask again.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 11:38 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 28 2013, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I remember someone in NF FC pointed out few examples on how one panel becomes important later on and had a reason to be there. I believe one came from Kakashi Gaiden and the other I forgot. I know the user too. Perhaps I'll ask again.

It's definitely going to become important later on, I am sure of it. It's the context behind it that made me believe so, as I said.
By the way, a thing that dunno how many antis thought about it regarding Sakura's confession.
I made a ramble about it ->http://chatte-georgiana.tumblr.com/post/48566733238/someone-asked-me-if-i-believe-sakuras-confession-to

I mean, people just like to twist things around but they never think from the right perspective. You have to see things sometimes, not from your perspective, but from the character's perspective. She said she loved Naruto. Period. What's much to talk about?

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 12:21 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Apr 28 2013, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's definitely going to become important later on, I am sure of it. It's the context behind it that made me believe so, as I said.
By the way, a thing that dunno how many antis thought about it regarding Sakura's confession.
I made a ramble about it ->http://chatte-georgiana.tumblr.com/post/48566733238/someone-asked-me-if-i-believe-sakuras-confession-to

I mean, people just like to twist things around but they never think from the right perspective. You have to see things sometimes, not from your perspective, but from the character's perspective. She said she loved Naruto. Period. What's much to talk about?

I always said that if Sakura likes Hinata loves Naruto, she would have let her do the hugging, but instead, she did it. I'm not saying she did it out of jealousy, but there's a hint that she has something more in mind with Naruto. It's like if you're dating someone, only to see the other person dating as well and for some reason, it bothers you. Why that should bother you? You may or may not know until you take action. I mean imagine if Kishi decided to go with NH/SS, only to make Sakura questioned. Not saying it will happen but that's the expression she had while healing Hinata. Oddly enough, Hinata wasn't awake, so she wouldn't know.

Btw, I think the link doesn't work. I would like to check it out.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 12:26 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 28 2013, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I always said that if Sakura likes Hinata loves Naruto, she would have let her do the hugging, but instead, she did it. I'm not saying she did it out of jealousy, but there's a hint that she has something more in mind with Naruto. It's like if you're dating someone, only to see the other person dating as well and for some reason, it bothers you. Why that should bother you? You may or may not know until you take action. I mean imagine if Kishi decided to go with NH/SS, only to make Sakura questioned. Not saying it will happen but that's the expression she had while healing Hinata. Oddly enough, Hinata wasn't awake, so she wouldn't know.

Btw, I think the link doesn't work. I would like to check it out.

Yeah, you are truly right. I mean I see that hug of hers a way to compensate to Hinata's sacrifice and to show him how much she cares too and also, the obvious, to thank him and relieve herself that he is ok.
Why do I say to compensate? Well, we all know Sakura's issues with "I do the little dumbest things for Naruto" and probably when she realized that Hinata loves Naruto and she had just seen that Hinata gave her life for that, she definitely had that in mind. Like "Look at me, Hinata gave her life for Naruto, she loves him so much, yet I only do the dumbest things". It's a mixture of feelings here...
As for the links, let me edit and give them back the right way.

The debate with the NH fan: http://chatte-georgi...-type-of-nh-fan
or if it doesn't work, page 24: http://chatte-georgi...blr.com/page/24

And about the confession part: http://chatte-georgi...ession-to#notes

Or if it doesn't work, the page: http://chatte-georgi...blr.com/page/31

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 12:46 PM

so i made this thing, comparing sakura and hinata in the recent chapters... O~O

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 12:54 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Apr 28 2013, 08:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, you are truly right. I mean I see that hug of hers a way to compensate to Hinata's sacrifice and to show him how much she cares too and also, the obvious, to thank him and relieve herself that he is ok.
Why do I say to compensate? Well, we all know Sakura's issues with "I do the little dumbest things for Naruto" and probably when she realized that Hinata loves Naruto and she had just seen that Hinata gave her life for that, she definitely had that in mind. Like "Look at me, Hinata gave her life for Naruto, she loves him so much, yet I only do the dumbest things". It's a mixture of feelings here...
As for the links, let me edit and give them back the right way.

The debate with the NH fan: http://chatte-georgi...-type-of-nh-fan
or if it doesn't work, page 24: http://chatte-georgi...blr.com/page/24

And about the confession part: http://chatte-georgi...ession-to#notes

Or if it doesn't work, the page: http://chatte-georgi...blr.com/page/31

Thanks. I'll read them right-a-way. That said you make a good point. Why is she bothered about doing so little? If only Yamato's words got to her, but it didn't. She has to plot them together, much like near part 1 end when she compared her words with "Sasuke" and realized how wrong she was. She will feel wrong that the idea of support comes from trying to do something huge, while huge thing can come from the heart. She got some idea that Naruto only needs her and already he will be supportive enough. The hospital scene clearly shows it. Actually, if NH was supposed to rise, shouldn't we get more from Hinata, especially now since it's getting more serious? I questioned this.




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