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[Chatte]

I'm thinking of that too. Now I don't think Kakashi would just give Obito a chance to break Naruto's spirit. Basically Obito felt what Naruto would have felt after failing to save Sakura from Sasuke. Now the role of Sasuke is Kakashi and I don't see TNJ working on Obito. The only thing Kakashi can manage to accomplish is try and separate Obito from Naruto because he suspects Obito's intention of making Naruto give up. But if Kakashi doesn't succed in defeating Obito in the other dimension his only accomplishment would be to enrage Obito even more. Maybe Minato or Hiruzen had something to do with what happened to Rin?

Now Kakashi should be the only one in the Narutoverse that should know of the ObiRin - NS parallel and could try later on probably after they defeat the kyuubi to talk to either Naruto or Sakura about it.

Hmmm, interesting. I am really curious to see how this will be played.
And anotehr thing I noticed.
Find someone like your mother, huh? Even in the slightest bits Kushina is like Sakura or the viceversa.

[Inferno180]

I was wondering this as well, can it be sealed into someone to make them a jinchuuriki? Minato is back and we have Hashirama there as well so is sealing an option? If it is who could potentially be the jinchuuriki for the ten tails, would it be possible for Sasuke as an act of redemption, or maybe Obito after he gets tnj'd? Just some questions I have as well.

Think about it though, the Sage had to defeat the Juubi centuries before but it was due to his understanding of chakra, not to mention his 5 sacred artifacts. The sage had to somehow know a weakness within chakra itself to defeat the prime source of it all. He only got the rinnegan after defeating the juubi and getting it sealed in him.

The juubi lacks an identity, it has no sense of right and wrong. Its as kurama told it its an innate force, something merely part of the natural world, it has no purpose, it has no goal, it has no reason, it simply exists, it simply is therefore is all it is.

The Juubi cannot be killed, the sage could not kill it, he broke its spirit into the 9 tailed beats. The body was sealed away in the moon till Madara was able to summon it from the moon.

The tailed beasts were an issue on their own, the ten tails is the biggest problem ever. Its not something to solve easily unless they can redo what the sage did so long ago, split it into the very things they once feared.

[Atheck]

I think I can ask a question all of us want to know,

How the hell is the alliance going to handle the ten tails?

Presumably, the Jubi will be stopped through a combination of Hashirama's bijuu chakra draining Mokuton, the other Kages' abilities, and Naruto making some sort of contribution. At least that's what my presumption is.

Obito can be killed,

He can be killed but is that really going to occur? Will Kakashi just stab him with Raikiri and be done with it? That's highly unlikely. Tobi will probably have been reformed and after being fatally wounded he'll use some technique or jutsu to weaken either Madara or the Jubi to the point where the alliance can finish it off.

Madara can be sealed as an edo,

Now this is something I don't understand. Excluding the Kages how can any of the alliance hope to stand a chance against Madara? The only reasoning for them having survived this long is Madara refusing to use all of the abilities that he has at his disposal apparently. Logically Madara should be the Achilles' Heel for the alliance as he not only is capable of generating an entity of comparable strength to a bijuu but furthermore he possesses the Rinnegan and Mokuton. The latter two having been shown as capable of draining bijuu chakra. HGR, Mokuton pollen, "Overwhelming" meteorite, and of course EMS Susanoo (the giant Tengu warrior) should all be capable of handling, if not obliterating the alliance but for some reason he chooses not use those abilities despite the infinite chakra and regeneration granted by being a zombie.

Realistically, Madara should be almost unstoppable, untouchable, with only the Hokages, specifically Hashirama, probably being the only ones who can touch him, yet from we've seen he's often had to go on the defensive and resort to basic Katon jutsu. It's odd but understandable considering how exceedingly powerful Madara is on paper. if Kishi let him the alliance would be completely decimated. Not that they already aren't with an unstable Jubi ravaging the battlefield but it could be much more severe than it is presently.

but what about the ten tails? How are they going to beat this thing? Its possible for Obito to be killed, Madara can be taken down by a lot of combined efforts along with Hashirama and Tobirama. But they have this giant primal demon mass of chaos to handle. Ironically only obito and madara can control it so how do they stop this thing? Even a kurama with a 50% power boost cannot match it.

It'll probably come down to the Kages, primarily Hashirama, Naruto, and maybe a last minute effort from a newly "reformed" Tobi that brings it to the point where they're capable of destroying it.

Only thing I can think of is he names of the tailed beasts somehow fighting the thing from the inside if their own individual identities have not been overtaken by the merging to form the ten tails spirit. This is a curious question I mean how do they take this thing down when even the other tailed beasts are already said to be immortal and just revive?

That's also a possibility. We never did learn what it was that Son gave to him. Actually there's some debate that we haven't even seen Naruto's "that jutsu" yet although many people appear to be proponents of the theory that it was simply Kurama's chakra. Getting back to the tailed beasts, in order to defeat the Jubi I'm almost positive it will require some sort of defection from one of the two people who are capable of controlling it or the individual components that make up its composition to somehow begin attacking it internally which should give the Kages and Naruto the opening they need to defeat it.

[Zatheko]

Think about it though, the Sage had to defeat the Juubi centuries before but it was due to his understanding of chakra, not to mention his 5 sacred artifacts. The sage had to somehow know a weakness within chakra itself to defeat the prime source of it all. He only got the rinnegan after defeating the juubi and getting it sealed in him.

The juubi lacks an identity, it has no sense of right and wrong. Its as kurama told it its an innate force, something merely part of the natural world, it has no purpose, it has no goal, it has no reason, it simply exists, it simply is therefore is all it is.

The Juubi cannot be killed, the sage could not kill it, he broke its spirit into the 9 tailed beats. The body was sealed away in the moon till Madara was able to summon it from the moon.

The tailed beasts were an issue on their own, the ten tails is the biggest problem ever. Its not something to solve easily unless they can redo what the sage did so long ago, split it into the very things they once feared.

Yeah it can't be killed which is why I thought sealing would be the only solution, especially with Minato a seal expert and Hashirama who has some control over tailed beasts maybe together they can do something. Although if it isn't possible than yeah Idk how they will beat it haha.

Obitio mentioned he could become the jinchuuriki which is what made me bring that up.

Edited by zatheko, 27 April 2013 - 11:45 PM.

[Inferno180]

Now this is something I don't understand. Excluding the Kages how can any of the alliance hope to stand a chance against Madara? The only reasoning for them having survived this long is Madara refusing to use all of the abilities that he has at his disposal apparently. Logically Madara should be the Achilles' Heel for the alliance as he not only is capable of generating an entity of comparable strength to a bijuu but furthermore he possesses the Rinnegan and Mokuton. The latter two having been shown as capable of draining bijuu chakra. HGR, Mokuton pollen, "Overwhelming" meteorite, and of course EMS Susanoo (the giant Tengu warrior) should all be capable of handling, if not obliterating the alliance but for some reason he chooses not use those abilities despite the infinite chakra and regeneration granted by being a zombie.

Realistically, Madara should be almost unstoppable, untouchable, with only the Hokages, specifically Hashirama, probably being the only ones who can touch him, yet from we've seen he's often had to go on the defensive and resort to basic Katon jutsu. It's odd but understandable considering how exceedingly powerful Madara is on paper. if Kishi let him the alliance would be completely decimated. Not that they already aren't with an unstable Jubi ravaging the battlefield but it could be much more severe than it is presently.

I simply ment that this was Madara's vulnerability. I did not say he would be defeated by them now did I? I merely stated that being sealed is his only weakness, but the alliance would have to stun and strike him so fast, its going to be impossible but yeah only Hashirama and Tobirama will be able to do that.

[narusakurama]

I simply ment that this was Madara's vulnerability. I did not say he would be defeated by them now did I? I merely stated that being sealed is his only weakness, but the alliance would have to stun and strike him so fast, its going to be impossible but yeah only Hashirama and Tobirama will be able to do that.

Bah I hate to bring up Sasuke , but everyone seems to forget him . I am sure he will have some contribution in defeating one of the big 3 . Imo he might be able to seal off Madara , but that all depends on whether or not he got the Sealing Blade from Itachi along with his eyes (the blade that Itachi used against Orochimaru and Nagato)

[Chatte]

Actually someone on NB made a theory on how Juubi will gain counsciousness and start speaking will have a human side to it or something like that.
I will have to look for it.

LE: Here it is: http://narutobase.ne...ad.php?t=361263
A nice theory...

Edited by Chatte, 28 April 2013 - 12:20 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Actually someone on NB made a theory on how Juubi will gain counsciousness and start speaking will have a human side to it or something like that.
I will have to look for it.

LE: Here it is: http://narutobase.ne...ad.php?t=361263
A nice theory...

Actually i alwasy thouhgt like that, and i think Juubi also have a counciouss because it did create the whole world and even the humans and the reason maybe he wanted to destroy and recreate the humanity.

[Inferno180]

Actually i alwasy thouhgt like that, and i think Juubi also have a counciouss because it did create the whole world and even the humans and the reason maybe he wanted to destroy and recreate the humanity.

Well technically there are 4 humans sealed within the juubi:
Kinkaku
Ginkaku
Samui
Samui's brother

though this is a a strange occurrence, I mean edo tensei was released so what happened to the gold and silver brothers? To Nagato despite being sealed by Itachi? Are they in the afterlife with the chakra left behind?

The mechanics of what takes priority over what can get confusing.

But a human aspect to the juubi? this is strange.

All I know is that a battle between Naruto and Sasuke would be excellent with stuff such as Naruto's chakra incarnation of Kurama facing Sasuke's Dark/demonic Susanno.

Oh wait, awesome idea! Remember how Madara gave Kurama armor by his Susanno in the fight against Hashirama? It would be f***ing epic with Naruto and Sasuke teaming up like this, Sasuke using his Sussano to give Naruto's chakra incarnation of Kurama an armor, imagine how great that would be because if this series shows anything when Naruto and Sasuke work together, they are unstoppable.

[FrenchMyToast]

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I just meant that they were leaning into NS with the recent fillers (power, naruto reconfirming his love) and the CD drama. Making me think if it would affect how they will make Hinata talk to Naruto.

Well they made Hinata's confession to Naruto a whole episode and it was actually a tiny moment in the manga, so I expect her speech to take up at least a full episode. I'm not sure if they'll cram a filler in there like they did in the confession, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

@Inferno180 I can imagine Kishi doing Susano'o armor again, but isn't Sasuke's Susano'o kind of small for that? Madara has a huge one, but Sasuke's is like maybe 1/3 of that or so. Plus, I think it would be cooler if everybody in the Alliance got Susano'o armor instead of just Kurama. Can you imagine that? Getting a Biju shroud AND Susano'o armor?

[Zatheko]

Well they made Hinata's confession to Naruto a whole episode and it was actually a tiny moment in the manga, so I expect her speech to take up at least a full episode. I'm not sure if they'll cram a filler in there like they did in the confession, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

@Inferno180 I can imagine Kishi doing Susano'o armor again, but isn't Sasuke's Susano'o kind of small for that? Madara has a huge one, but Sasuke's is like maybe 1/3 of that or so. Plus, I think it would be cooler if everybody in the Alliance got Susano'o armor instead of just Kurama. Can you imagine that? Getting a Biju shroud AND Susano'o armor?

Watch them put a whole flashback of Hinata's confession from the pain arc, and have Naruto blush at the same time.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I'm not looking forward to watching 615 in anime form ... in fact, I might not even watch it right away. My faith in Pierrot considering Hinata and NaruHina is very low. They glorify so much and just ignite the NaruHina fans again. I swear, when a big shipping moment is animated regarding NaruSaku or NaruHina, massive hate comes. NaruHina fans re-do their cocky 'in your face, NS fans' ritual (anime-only watchers, which is a lot) and then we get overwhelmed from all sides. Or when something regarding NaruSaku comes up, we get vicious hate from some NH/SS fans and Sakura haters.

Anyone remember when Sakura's confession was animated? We got the same mocking remarks that Sakura was lying, she's a b*tch, Naruto no longer has feelings for Sakura, NS's dead etc. You can't even watch videos of the scene in YT.

The memory of 166 is still fresh in my mind. Just ... god damn.

[MangaReader]

Watch them put a whole flashback of Hinata's confession from the pain arc, and have Naruto blush at the same time.

Nah, their Naru/Saku shippers with a fetish for Hinata XD

[TouKen4Life3g]

Nah, their Naru/Saku shippers with a fetish for Hinata XD

Lol pretty much. Hell, they might make that Sakura panel into actual romance plot twist. I mean they made it like that in Immortal Arc, like instead of Team 7, it's like a confusion of her feelings for the two.

[Dkey]

Lol pretty much. Hell, they might make that Sakura panel into actual romance plot twist. I mean they made it like that in Immortal Arc, like instead of Team 7, it's like a confusion of her feelings for the two.

What panel?

[TouKen4Life3g]

What panel?

The so far infamous questionable Sakura panel in chapter 615. The one during Hinata talking to Naruto.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 28 April 2013 - 04:44 AM.

[Inferno180]

I'm not looking forward to watching 615 in anime form ... in fact, I might not even watch it right away. My faith in Pierrot considering Hinata and NaruHina is very low. They glorify so much and just ignite the NaruHina fans again. I swear, when a big shipping moment is animated regarding NaruSaku or NaruHina, massive hate comes. NaruHina fans re-do their cocky 'in your face, NS fans' ritual (anime-only watchers, which is a lot) and then we get overwhelmed from all sides. Or when something regarding NaruSaku comes up, we get vicious hate from some NH/SS fans and Sakura haters.

Anyone remember when Sakura's confession was animated? We got the same mocking remarks that Sakura was lying, she's a b*tch, Naruto no longer has feelings for Sakura, NS's dead etc. You can't even watch videos of the scene in YT.

The memory of 166 is still fresh in my mind. Just ... god damn.

And then we get stuff like ep 235 though a filler they go raging at it saying why is it not Hinata
then we get stuff like RtN and they complain about kishi choosing Sakura and saying the movie is the worst because it does not use Hinata.
Then we get another filler (ep 2 of the chikara arc) with a small NS moment and yet they complain over the filler and then try to use the same episode of Hinata using medical jutsu as evidence of her being better than Sakura, they try to present this as evidence even though its a filler.
then we get a new chapter showing Sakura is concerned and faithful in Naruto and they claim she does not care about Naruto and does not believe in him, simply because this minor event.

Anything minor with Sakura, even non-canon some try to jump on it saying its not what we think (despite stuff like ep 235 having Naruto still shown as loving Sakura) they feel the need to make a major case out of stuff so small. I feel that at times because NH is small compared to NS, they need to attack things on NS because they have limited proof. It feels that NH fans when they have no evidence, resort to methods of disproving our pairing rather than proving theirs more. I don't mean this exactly but I find more NH fans trying to disprove us rather than trying to prove their pairing.

The whole deal with chp 615 coming in the anime later on, perriot will run it into the ground regardless of what happens later on in the manga, they will just drive the whole freaking thing into another episode. 166 was only a chapter, not even, it was based on one simple moment which was only a few panels. One anime episode on the manga usually ranges from 1-3 chapters. 1 chapter is only used if there is something important like a critical story flashback or memory.

In all respect though I am glad for this: After Naruto recovers from the 6 tails form in the anime, I'm glad his biggest pains he thought of were his childhood, Sasuke running away, hurting Sakura, and the death of Jiriaya, not Hinata's injury

All I'm saying is, for such a simple character Hinata's role is the most overinflated of the series, someone so minor is just developed more fillerwise and that's just not good for the overall quality, all of Hinata's amazing feats did not happen, so when we are going by standards, the manga Hinata is low while the anime one can do much more, but the anime one technically does not exist. We don't see Sakura getting these overly done, long, extended roles do we? All I can remember for Sakura is the training assistance she tried to give Naruto from the food pills, that is all. Everything else, well Sakura is a main character, whatever comes to her for the anime is simple, it just comes, gets animated, moves forward with the next scene, nothing to linger on with or extend.

People say they hate Sakura and want Hinata, they say Naruto should just love Hinata. I say this, I'd rather have Sakura because she exists as she is the both the manga and anime, I would not want Hinata as the heroine now because she exists more in the anime and this Hinata does not exist, she never did these great things as so many fans liked, the real hinata has a much smaller role and is just not as important as fans want. Either way Hinata fans loose this argument, the Hinata they love is only in the anime and yet even going by fillers, Naruto still loves Sakura according to the anime. No matter which way this goes, NH fans either have to stick with the Hinata they hate or the anime in which Naruto loves Sakura. I rest my case.

[Dkey]

The so far infamous questioable Sakura panel in chapter 615. The one during Hinata talking to Naruto.

Aha that panel. Don't know about it. If we aren't spoiled about what that panel meant in the manga I'm not sure if it makes sense adding it in the anime.

Because of what was she reacting to? It feels more like to the carnage because if she was reacting to Hinata's slap the mood of the scene would be diluted by a comedic moment.

[Shadow1275]

To be fair though, part of the reason that Hinata got so much filler is that she was really underdeveloped in the manga. That being said, the studio is defnitely going to milk the pairing wars for all they're worth, that's just good business. Though after looking at everything especially the openings and endings, Naruto reaffirming his feelings, and Sakura saying that she loved Sasuke[not loves], I do think that they lean a little more towards NS. In the end though, they are really just giving fan-service to all shippings for the viewers and trying to stay out of a corner depending on which pairing Kishi goes with.

Though I don't really watch the anime anymore, wayyy too much filler.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Aha that panel. Don't know about it. If we aren't spoiled about what that panel meant in the manga I'm not sure if it makes sense adding it in the anime.

Because of what was she reacting to? It feels more like to the carnage because if she was reacting to Hinata's slap the mood of the scene would be diluted by a comedic moment.

Well, Sakura didn't take it well with Hinata loving Naruto. But yeah, hard to say anyway. But the point is that anime usually change it up. In Immortal Arc, she was thinking about Naruto, especially way back in part 1, so she went to her room and thought about what Yamato tried to say. She began to feel confused and tear came out. Normally that was supposed to be Team 7 but for some reason, they changed it or at least the way how its demonstrated. Then Naruto looks up the shooting star and hold tight on Sakura's notes. So yeah, anime tend to "spice" it up.