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[Gravenimage]

Actually, you can only blame the yaoi fans because they are the ones who think like that, when we all know Naruto is a bit homophobic (proof is in both manga and anime). And I'm not sure why we blaming the studio just because Naruto and Sasuke is on screen for one of the openings, we, the audience, most of the time concluded that the thing is gay but in a matter of fact, it showing an abstract of how their "bond" is heading... well in other words, more like heading toward enemy territory. As Kishimoto said in the "true" American interview about Part II, the theme about bonds is a very complicated subject, not to mention in Western culture, it almost a taboo category because of how the way we see it.

I hear you and most of the Western audience don't understand or see friendship/bond like the Eastern audience. They see two guys together they will immediately think they're gay and in love with each other. Thinking Naruto and Sasuke are in love with each other is the same thing as thinking that Ryu and Ken are in love too when Ken is a married man to Eliza, as for Ryu he seems to have a thing for Chun-Li.

Edited by Gravenimage, 24 November 2010 - 07:22 PM.

[crazyefra]

I forgot to mention that I blame Pierot for the NH fillers. Well, we live in a place were guys can't even hang out without some people saying "they're gay".

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Edited by crazyefra, 22 November 2010 - 03:28 PM.

[Derock]

I forgot to mention that I blame Pierot for the NH fillers. Well, we live in a place were guys can't even hang out without some people saying "they're gay".

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Again, its more of an after effect (if that's what I think I'm saying). While I do agree that the fillers now and the ones from the original are daresay, stupid and pointless (majority of Part 1's and some of Shippuden's extensions, like episode 166 and 167 with "Whack-a-Pain", are the prime examples), but there are some that are actually enjoyable. Now the only one we said that we can blame the studio for NH/or basically "Hinata Worship" is Shippuden 166 and Part 1's Bidochu (whatever that bug's name) arc because hardly Hinata didn't do anything in a serious manner canon-wise (with Naruto I will add) and it is Kishimoto who didn't know what to do with her. Now with this war coming, she have to do something. So the studio have to come up with something for her development.

Honesty they should had leave the stuff alone, just kept the original flashbacks and follow Kishimoto's route instead of adding new pointless stuff that made her not only a Mary-Sue but made her younger appearance screaming: "Lolicon!!!" (And they still messed it up because Naruto was supposed to have that shocked reaction when Hinata told him that she loved him, not when she was being "Plot device x3!" and get killed. That's basically meant that the studio intended to screwed up NH big time).

[Gravenimage]

Again, its more of an after effect (if that's what I think I'm saying). While I do agree that the fillers now and the ones from the original are daresay, stupid and pointless (majority of Part 1's and some of Shippuden's extensions, like episode 166 and 167 with "Whack-a-Pain", are the prime examples), but there are some that are actually enjoyable. Now the only one we said that we can blame the studio for NH/or basically "Hinata Worship" is Shippuden 166 and Part 1's Bidochu (whatever that bug's name) arc because hardly Hinata didn't do anything in a serious manner canon-wise (with Naruto I will add) and it is Kishimoto who didn't know what to do with her. Now with this war coming, she have to do something. So the studio have to come up with something for her development.

Honesty they should had leave the stuff alone, just kept the original flashbacks and follow Kishimoto's route instead of adding new pointless stuff that made her not only a Mary-Sue but made her younger appearance screaming: "Lolicon!!!" (And they still messed it up because Naruto was supposed to have that shocked reaction when Hinata told him that she loved him, not when she was being "Plot device x3!" and get killed. That's basically meant that the studio intended to screwed up NH big time).

I agree on Naruto's expression anyone could tell that his expression was of shock and horror (unlike his expression in 469 of surprise and blushing). Naruto was probably thinking at that exact moment "WTF I hardly know her at all and she says she loves me!". Pierot didn't took his expression lightly they knew that's not the expression of someone who is going to return a girl's feelings and that's why they edited his expression with his head on the ground.

Looks like I'm going to believe the rumors of Pierot demaning for Kishi to give Hinata more protagnism on his manga (or more precise more NH development ) and he refused becase that will be like making her the heroine, Kishi has already prove dozens of times that Sakura is the heroine.

[Quinny52]

^ I can't say I've heard such rumours, but even so, I just can't picture an anime studio having some hidden agenda because they're rather partial to a character whose role in the story is minimal. I think some of us are getting a little bit paranoid over SP's intentions for the anime. This isn't some grand conspiricy concocted by the studio to discredit the original work from which it's based on, because what would be the purpose, the motive? I think you're making mountains out of molehills.

An anime studio CANNOT demand a mangaka to make alterations to the story to suit the studio's preferences. The manga and anime are recognised as separate entities. The anime studio can do almost anything they want with it since they own the legal rights, but they can't force their demands on the manga artist to change the story. The only one who can influence the story somewhat is the editor, but their job is to advise the artist on the storyline, not to force them to write a story that would no longer be their own.

[Gravenimage]

^ I can't say I've heard such rumours, but even so, I just can't picture an anime studio having some hidden agenda because they're rather partial to a character whose role in the story is minimal. I think some of us are getting a little bit paranoid over SP's intentions for the anime. This isn't some grand conspiricy concocted by the studio to discredit the original work from which it's based on, because what would be the purpose, the motive? I think you're making mountains out of molehills.

An anime studio CANNOT demand a mangaka to make alterations to the story to suit the studio's preferences. The manga and anime are recognised as separate entities. The anime studio can do almost anything they want with it since they own the legal rights, but they can't force their demands on the manga artist to change the story. The only one who can influence the story somewhat is the editor, but their job is to advise the artist on the storyline, not to force them to write a story that would no longer be their own.

I know what you mean qinny but look what happened to FMA? They started doing a spin off of the anime not following the manga story or the characters role at all adding OC characters in it, although the spin off of series was way better than Shippuden. But it wasn't until recently that they released another version of the anime base on the canon manga.

Edited by Gravenimage, 22 November 2010 - 07:07 PM.

[Quinny52]

^ There is a reason for this though, Grave. During the development of the first anime, Hiromu Arakawa (FMA's mangaka) allowed the anime staff to work independently from her, and actually requested having a different ending from the one in the manga. She said that she would not like to repeat the same ending in both media, as well as to make the manga longer to work more in the development of the characters. The difference here is that Arakawa helped the Bones staff in the making of the series, she was their consultor. And look what happened, the 1st series and it's movie counterpart, while different, were a success, and many FMA fans are torn between the 1st series and Brotherhood, which followed the manga storyline more closely.

That isn't the case with Kishi and SP.

[Miss Soupy]

Just two questions, Has Naruto really resigned himself from his love to Sakura? Does Sakura act like a "big sister" to Naruto? or are they an excuse against NaruSaku?

In a way, I don't feel like Naruto deserves to resign himself over Sakura when he won't be upfront with her. While inwardly he may have resigned himself (shown by his inability to handle too much concern from Sakura), his resignation stems from his own misconceptions of Sakuras feelings. I've always thought this misconception is from his own feelings and how strong they are towards her. I think he might expect Sakura's feelings for Sasuke to be of the same magnitude of his own for her. Thus when he sees her loving Sasuke he feels he has no chance with her because he loves her so unconditionally. At his point however, it is quite obvious that Sakura's feelings for Sakura cannot be on the same level as his feelings, especially when she was ready to give up on Sasuke's redemption.

Oh, and Sakura doesn't act like a big sister XD She is just bossy.

^ There is a reason for this though, Grave. During the development of the first anime, Hiromu Arakawa (FMA's mangaka) allowed the anime staff to work independently from her, and actually requested having a different ending from the one in the manga. She said that she would not like to repeat the same ending in both media, as well as to make the manga longer to work more in the development of the characters. The difference here is that Arakawa helped the Bones staff in the making of the series, she was their consultor. And look what happened, the 1st series and it's movie counterpart, while different, were a success, and many FMA fans are torn between the 1st series and Brotherhood, which followed the manga storyline more closely.

That isn't the case with Kishi and SP.

It's unfortunate. I'm not sure how Kishi can stand to be so separate from the anime itself. You give a great example of how aiding an anime team can be so beneficial and makes the story so much more enjoyable. I've always liked how even Kubo aids the anime team with character conceptions for filler arcs. All in all, it makes the un-canon material so much more interesting and more easily stomached when you have a part of the mangaka tied to it.

[jason voorhees]

Oh, and Sakura doesn't act like a big sister XD She is just bossy.

now this is starting to sound like my own sister (shivers). quote.. Hell know no furry like a women

[maliousdei]

hey guys, where's the fire? at the moment, we may not have as much development currently, but we still have a lot more to fall back on from the past chapters. it wasn't to long ago when we met kushina, and that gave us a major confidence boost. and even after the confession, sakura evolved beyond the points that many you know what fans expected of her. she has shown even more concern for naruto even to the point where she wouldn't hesitate to lash out at sasuke for insulting him and worrying about naruto over sasuke. Everything is fine between the two when it comes to their relationship, and we even got to see sakura give a very gentle and sweet smile at naruto while he sleeps. (You know that's got to mean something good.)

And besides, even if we haven't made many advancements lately, we haven't made deadly setbacks either. sasusaku is basically dead after the two of them attempted to kill each other and hinata went back into her shy slump after watch the NS hug. If anything, I think she gave up on naruto.

Edited by maliousdei, 23 November 2010 - 04:04 AM.

[dfammer]

hey guys, where's the fire? at the moment, we may not have as much development currently, but we still have a lot more to fall back on from the past chapters. it wasn't to long ago when we met kushina, and that gave us a major confidence boost. and even after the confession, sakura evolved beyond the points that many you know what fans expected of her. she has shown even more concern for naruto even to the point where she wouldn't hesitate to lash out at sasuke for insulting him and worrying about naruto over sasuke. Everything is fine between the two when it comes to their relationship, and we even got to see sakura give a very gentle and sweet smile at naruto while he sleeps. (You know that's got to mean something good.)

And besides, even if we haven't made many advancements lately, we haven't made deadly setbacks either. sasusaku is basically dead after the two of them attempted to kill each other and hinata went back into her shy slump after watch the NS hug. If anything, I think she gave up on naruto.

You are absolutely right NaruSaku are the only couple who Kishi is paying any attention to at all,so in my opinion it looks real good for them at this point.

[Codus N]

It's unfortunate. I'm not sure how Kishi can stand to be so separate from the anime itself. You give a great example of how aiding an anime team can be so beneficial and makes the story so much more enjoyable. I've always liked how even Kubo aids the anime team with character conceptions for filler arcs. All in all, it makes the un-canon material so much more interesting and more easily stomached when you have a part of the mangaka tied to it.

Yup, and guess what!!?? Kubo is releasing a special chapter for the next movie too.

*sigh*

There is the rumor going around that Kishi was involved heavily in the 3rd Shippuden movie, though. Which makes sense because it was by far the best Naruto movie. Plus, there's also the 4 Kekkei Genkai users from that movie that appeared in the manga recently which has raised suspicion that Kishi was VERY heavily involved. From what I've heard, there was someone in the anime team that Kishi liked very much because that guy was the one who truly understood the essence of Naruto. It was said that he might have been involved but IMO he was most likely editing the scriptwriting. Which I think, shows how involved he is.

[Gravenimage]

Well if Shippuden movie 3 Kishi was involved in it then the NS epicness in the movie was also part of his plan just like in the manga. I wonder what he's trying to show us?

[alexander]

I don't know about the other mangakas, but Kishimoto is married with kids, and I asume that since he have family obligations, he probaly don't want to spend time on the anime when he can spend it with his family, drawing manga is extremely time consuming, I know that, since I draw my own too, so Kishimoto probally won't waste his remaining time that is very little by giding the anime staff.

[Strangelove]

I don't know about the other mangakas, but Kishimoto is married with kids, and I asume that since he have family obligations, he probaly don't want to spend time on the anime when he can spend it with his family, drawing manga is extremely time consuming, I know that, since I draw my own too, so Kishimoto probally won't waste his remaining time that is very little by giding the anime staff.

I guess, since i see anime as a stress test that's out of control.

[Codus N]

Not really, If I remember correctly, Oda is also a married man and he also helps supervise the anime from time to time. I guess Kishimoto is more of a family man than Oda is. He seems to be unable to stand being away from his family. I'm guessing his whole philosophy of "children are the future" is influenced from this.

[maliousdei]

Hey NS fans, I bring you bad news. recently today some guy edited sakura's page on the naruto wiki to make it seem sasuke loved her, to make that naruto didn't, and that sakura and naruto had a brother/sister bond. I changed it back, mind you, but it still pisses me off that some fans need to do that.

[ciardha]

Not really, If I remember correctly, Oda is also a married man and he also helps supervise the anime from time to time. I guess Kishimoto is more of a family man than Oda is. He seems to be unable to stand being away from his family. I'm guessing his whole philosophy of "children are the future" is influenced from this.

Not only that but it reflects the respect he has for women, most importantly, his wife. You can see that respect for women in his work, he does very little of the type female character fan service that is oh so typical in shonen manga. And even when he does it, it tends to be much more subtle than the usual. Many western fans, being so used to the "in your face" female character fanservice in most shonen manga completely miss Kishimoto's female character fan service (especially of Sakura) They tend to notice his male character fan service, because having that much gender balance in fan service is very rare in shonen manga. (heh, I bet his wife advises him on that too, Konohamaru's yaoi sexy no jutsu was probably his wife's suggestion. It was something I've not seen done so overt in a shonen manga. Kishimoto seems to also be much more aware he has lots of female readers than other male shonen manga creators. (And adult female readers at that.) Takahashi is about the only other shonen mangaka who is that aware of her high number of female readership (typically half or more of her readership is female from Ranma 1/2 onward)

[Gravenimage]

Hey NS fans, I bring you bad news. recently today some guy edited sakura's page on the naruto wiki to make it seem sasuke loved her, to make that naruto didn't, and that sakura and naruto had a brother/sister bond. I changed it back, mind you, but it still pisses me off that some fans need to do that.

So what??? anyone can edit information on wiki but we know the truth. They can try to brainwash the fandom and censor NS but it doesn't mean they're going to brainwash Kishimoto to change the pairing he started developing since he started writting his manga to the pairing that most of the people of the west favors. It's not about the pairing that has the most popularity it's about the pairing Kishimoto has been developing according to the story plot and NS fits well with the plot and the theme of the story.

In conclusion don't pay attention to wiki.

[ciardha]

So what??? anyone can edit information on wiki but we know the truth. They can try to brainwash the fandom and censor NS but it doesn't mean they're going to brainwash Kishimoto to change the pairing he started developing since he started writting his manga to the pairing that most of the people of the west favors. It's not about the pairing that has the most popularity it's about the pairing Kishimoto has been developing according to the story plot and NS fits well with the plot and the theme of the story.

In conclusion don't pay attention to wiki.

Exactly. It has no connection to the manga and is grossly inaccurate on many of the characters, I haven't checked but there was a hysterically wrong entry for Shikaku Nara. That whole website is fanfiction, and rather poorly researched fanfiction at that. I'm a librarian, and one thing a librarian learns early on is how to spot the quality of a research source. That site ranks near the bottom for quality of research. If I can pick an entry at random and find something I know contradicts manga canon it's a poor source. At that site I can and have done so- the Shikaku Nara entry immediately comes to mind- not even tied to a pairing (thus vulnerable to fan biases) and it has errors.