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#1801 roninmedia

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 03:51 PM

Because as we have progressed from the Team 7 introduction to the Wave Country Arc to the Gaara Fight to Sandaime's Funeral to Asuma's death, the concept of Hokage has been redefined. The Hokage is not the most important figure in the village, people do not work for him. He works for them, to ensure the futures of the next generation. It is exactly like how a President or elected official works for the people; the people do not work for him.

As a maturing individual, Naruto has also come upon this so his desire for acknowledgment has changed. As a child, he saw the position of Hokage as one that was surrounded by acknowledgement and power without understanding the responsibilities behind it. Much in the way he didn't recognize the real significance of the memorial stone. The Wave Arc was an awakening for all of Team 7. Look at how with his accomplishments throughout the manga, he has had opportunities to declare his accomplishments to the world, and yet he has remained silent. This is quite evident after the Gaara fight.

You do not accept acknowledgement for the sake of acknowledgement. You save someone because you want to save them; not hoping for the reaction they give you after the fact. Looking to be a hero does not make you a hero. Naruto is no longer the scared, compensating child leper who must cling for everything. Besides, isn't Konohamaru the first person to directly state he wants acknowledgement from Naruto, as a rival in the title of Hokage? And that was way before Hinata was even introduced in the manga.



And that is also a significant difference in the crushes between Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, and Hinata. Sakura's and Hinata's crushes focused on respective traits they lacked and that the male boys had.

Naruto ---> Sakura: The same desire for acknowledgement
Hinata ---> Naruto: The difference in strength and never give up attitude
Sakura ---> Sasuke: The status and popularity

And if you think physical attraction should not be a part of it, looks do matter. Not to the same extent for every person, but it exists nonetheless. If physical attraction was obsolete, we wouldn't be having debates and arguments with homosexuality and heterosexuality.

Edited by roninmedia, 20 August 2009 - 03:53 PM.


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Posted 20 August 2009 - 03:55 PM

Actually, Iurka was the first shown but yeah Konohamaru WAS the first to fight for his right as Hokage.

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 04:05 PM

Sasuke and Iruka were the first to acknowledge Naruto

However, Konohamaru was the first to tell Naruto, "Acknowledge Me!".

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 05:06 PM

That what I was trying to say I forgot about Sasuke.

I agree with you FrutyLishis

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 05:41 PM

QUOTE (roninmedia @ Aug 20 2009, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because as we have progressed from the Team 7 introduction to the Wave Country Arc to the Gaara Fight to Sandaime's Funeral to Asuma's death, the concept of Hokage has been redefined. The Hokage is not the most important figure in the village, people do not work for him. He works for them, to ensure the futures of the next generation. It is exactly like how a President or elected official works for the people; the people do not work for him.

As a maturing individual, Naruto has also come upon this so his desire for acknowledgment has changed. As a child, he saw the position of Hokage as one that was surrounded by acknowledgement and power without understanding the responsibilities behind it. Much in the way he didn't recognize the real significance of the memorial stone. The Wave Arc was an awakening for all of Team 7. Look at how with his accomplishments throughout the manga, he has had opportunities to declare his accomplishments to the world, and yet he has remained silent. This is quite evident after the Gaara fight.

You do not accept acknowledgement for the sake of acknowledgement. You save someone because you want to save them; not hoping for the reaction they give you after the fact. Looking to be a hero does not make you a hero. Naruto is no longer the scared, compensating child leper who must cling for everything. Besides, isn't Konohamaru the first person to directly state he wants acknowledgement from Naruto, as a rival in the title of Hokage? And that was way before Hinata was even introduced in the manga.



And that is also a significant difference in the crushes between Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, and Hinata. Sakura's and Hinata's crushes focused on respective traits they lacked and that the male boys had.

Naruto ---> Sakura: The same desire for acknowledgement
Hinata ---> Naruto: The difference in strength and never give up attitude
Sakura ---> Sasuke: The status and popularity

And if you think physical attraction should not be a part of it, looks do matter. Not to the same extent for every person, but it exists nonetheless. If physical attraction was obsolete, we wouldn't be having debates and arguments with homosexuality and heterosexuality.



Roninmedia raises a good point. And as for looks... I know they're very important. It's just that some NH fans use use ''Sakura's ugly'' as an arguement, which doesn't really make much of a point against anything besides the fact that they can argue intellectually. Besides that, even if she were, it's Kishimoto's early art style they should blame. Hell, even if Sakura suddenly turned ugly, I doubt Naruto would love her any less. He isn't shallow.

But yeah, what ^ said.

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 05:44 PM

QUOTE (RyrineaHaruno @ Aug 20 2009, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with you FrutyLishis



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Posted 20 August 2009 - 06:39 PM

QUOTE (NuclearRaven @ Aug 19 2009, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I got this message on youtube from a NaruHina fan I've been debating with for the past few weeks and he did bring up some good points. Here's what he had to say.

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What is the base of Naruto character..."Become...Hokage" Why did he want to do this? FROM THE VEEEEEEERY BEGINNING. "So people will acknowledge me! Then everyone will have to look up to me and start respecting me!" I'm paraphrasing but I'm not off. Bottom line...Naruto wants to be acknowledged. It's the reason he started liking Sakura (One of). Or atleast it was stated on episode 3 or the chapter where Naruto turned into Sasuke. Sakura wanted the same thing Naruto wanted. Acknowledgement, although it be it from an indivdual(Sasuke) and not the entire village. So Naruto grew more fond of her. Well...Come chapter 437, for him...To be looking for acknowledgement from everyone...To try to set and retain bonds with anyone you can. Then to find out that someone was only looking for HIS(Naruto) Acknowledgement to form a bond with HIM...Isn't this one of the BASE reasons he liked Sakura all the more? To say Naruto wasn't in anyway shape or form affected by this is simply moronic...NaruSaku fans have become so hot headed after 458 but you can't even see the bigger picture...Naruto has said ANYTHING! Assumption has been tossed around left and right but you are minus FACT.... [1]You are ASSUMING that Sakura has completely dropped her feelings for Sasuke and moved on to Naruto, [2]you are ASSUMING that Naruto was completely unaffected by Hinata words, you are ASSUMING...Far too much...I know what you thinking and I'm not....Naruto does not have to NOR is he obligated to return Hinata feelings. However I for one couldn't see why he wouldn't even want to talk to her/try it. Anyway...Back to my main point...Naruto has not thought of anyone in a "romantic" light in over what? 70-100 chapters? Remember... [3]Those were Sai's flashback and Sai's conclusion of Naruto's feelings. Naruto hasn't said a single thing...So...To be honest... [4]The last NaruSaku moment hasn't happened in over 100 chapters if not more...Translating to...what? 3-5 months? If your trying to bring up the whole "Hinata has been brought up in 20 chapter! >:D" point...If you think about it...It hasn't been much more than a day or two if not hours after the confession. Lol...another thing...I love how you try to lump Sakura feelings to nothing in part 1 as just a crush of a 12 year old... [5]It's not like she proclaimed her love or anything right xD? Oh wait...She did...and even wanted to leave the village with him...So why not just lump Naruto's feelings in as a crush eh? "But Mike! He is still shown keeping his feelings for Sakura post time-skip bakka!" Yes...[6]As Sakura has for Sasuke...Take off your blinders...And remove the victory flag my friend, it's far from over.

My thoughts on WHY the confession hasn't been brought up and why it won't be for a while.

[7]To be honest...It wasn't important...To anybodies development expect Hinata's. It wasn't...Plot Prorgressive in the BIG scheme of things y'know? Plus...We have bigger things to worry about at the moment. The biggest thing at the moment would be what going down with Sasuke and the Kages. What about Naruto's dad? What Madara going to do with Naruto now that Pain/Nagato was a fall out, and ofcourse the plan that hasn't been mentioned in 20 chapters..."Moons Eye Plan"...Pretty much Kishi gave his try at romance for a few chapters NOW he has to go back to what the Manga is based on...fighting lol. So he's probably got plently planned. I really don't see Naruto confronting Hinata in terms of Chapters any time soon. To get to excited..It will have only translated to a few days in the manga. But as far as ANY MAJOR advancements in romance goes whether it be NaruSaku or NaruHina...Well I don't see it happening soon.


(going back to the my point of Acknowledgment) Lol Spark thought...

[8]So yes...Even playing field...Naruto has every reason to start liking Hinata since he liked Sakura for the same reason. Which kinda trips me up is the reason he started like Sakura xD, Acknowldgement and she was...Pretty...so slightly superficail...Lol and Hinata got a body far beyond Sakura but this could be lumped into bashing which I am NOT trying to do xD Just more or less...Solidifing the fact that it IS an even playing field...


Any thoughts?


1. Except Sakura did give up on Sasuke way back in 236. She told Naruto it was alright. Sure, Naruto did get her to believe in him, but she did come to a form of acceptance about Naruto.

2. It did have some affect. However, he did not fall in love with her.

3. Yes. Sai who knows Naruto. He may not be good at understanding emotions, but he is learning. Also, the fact that even Sai can see says something in itself.

4. Double standard. Why can NaruHina say it hasn't been long in manga time, but NaruSaku can't? Simply put, it much time hasn't passed since in the Naruto world in the last 100 chapters. Chapter 451 shows that the first person he is with is Sakura.

5. And was rejected and came to a sort of acceptance in 236. Just because she believed in and wanted to help Naruto get Sasuke back does not mean her feelings are exactly the same.

6. Anything that can't be taken as Team 7 moment?

7. This would be an entirely valid argument. Except a romantic relationship was brought up. Kishimoto could have easily handle those things without NaruSaku.

8. One problem with that though. Naruto has had 450+ chapters to get to know Sakura better and love her for reasons beyond that. Yes, he could possibly find a connection to Hinata through that. However, he has many other connections with Sakura. I doubt his only reason for his love of Sakura is because she sought acknowledgment.

QUOTE (RyrineaHaruno @ Aug 19 2009, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Where in the manga does it say he only liked her, because she was pretty? I just never saw that so called quote. In your dreams he has loved Sakura since the being and you want him to do a entire one eighty on those feelings. I really doubt it on a even playing field. If Kishimoto wanted to have them talk then it his manga then yeah HE could. So what if Hinata has a better body rolls eyes. Are you saying that Naruto will love Hinata just because she hot or what not. He not that type of guy Imo .



The poster didn't really make a good case for NH. He used the same old arguments. That Naruto will automatically fall heads over hill in love with Hinata even thought he loves Sakura. He obviously hasn't read the manga so far read 457-458 imo. Naruto's feelings for Sakura have in fact increased so I really doubt it on a even playing flied.


The poster did and mentioned. However, double standards are no problem for this poster.

QUOTE (FrutyLishis @ Aug 20 2009, 05:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, he brings up a good point but let me say this:

Hinata acknowledged him; okay, cool. Does that mean all that development with Sakura's instantly gone, like nothing ever happened? You think Naruto's shallow enough to be like, ''Whoa, Hinata acknowledges me! Cool! Later, Sakura!'' because Sakura's neeeevvver acknowledged Naruto, right?!

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And it's not like Hinata was the only one to ever acknowledge him. We he came back from his fight, the whole god damn village had acknowledged him.

Let me bring up an arguement NaruHina's use alot: Hinata was the first to acknowledge him.

Uh, no, she wasn't the first. Sasuke was the first; and if you don't like THAT reasoning, then there's Iruka, too. Oh, and don't forget Konohamaru or the 3rd Hokage. sleep.gif

And so what if Hinata acknowledged him before Sakura? It's not like Naruto's love is ''first come, first serve.''

Maybe be did like Sakura for shallow reasons at first. Don't you think he's matured? If you guys are so adamant on insulting Sakura, saying she's ugly, hideous, ugly, then STOP using the ''Naruto only likes her cuz shes pretty'' arguement. It's hypocritical.

Now his feelings for Sakura are rooted in a deeper place. He understands her pain - losing Sasuke - and he appreciates that she's gotten stronger. I'm not saying they're madly in love at age 16, but they're getting there.

And if Kishi doesn't want it to be known that Naruto still has feelings for Sakura, then WHY WOULD HE HAVE SHOWN THAT PANEL IN THE FIRST PLACE? If he was planning on covering it up and changing Naruto's feelings suddenly, he would have just dropped it and let it die, using the panel for something else.

But. He. Didn.t. See my point?

...Oh, my... I've ranted again sweatdrop.gif Sorry XP


You bring up a good point and made me think of something else.

Hinata may have acknowledged him a long time ago. But it did Naruto NO GOOD. She never told him when she could have really helped him. Sakura has been there for him constantly.

And her acknowledgment/confession didn't do Naruto really any good. If anything it was bad since it sent him Kyuubi. She also admitted her confession was *selfish. So, I do not see this as "being there" for Naruto in any Sakura hasn't (I could probably Sakura's support for Naruto has been better by far, but I do not feel like gathering the manga facts).

*This isn't a bash on Hinata's character. What she did was commendable and her selfishness was actually one of the good kinds. I'm simply arguing that it was not enough to destroy all of Sakura's acts for Naruto (like running to the Kyuubi or the tears she shed for the fate of the junchuuriki [which Naruto told her to stop and acted like he didn't know they were for him, but like Yamato said, it's her feelings for Naruto that are important]).

QUOTE (roninmedia @ Aug 20 2009, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because as we have progressed from the Team 7 introduction to the Wave Country Arc to the Gaara Fight to Sandaime's Funeral to Asuma's death, the concept of Hokage has been redefined. The Hokage is not the most important figure in the village, people do not work for him. He works for them, to ensure the futures of the next generation. It is exactly like how a President or elected official works for the people; the people do not work for him.

As a maturing individual, Naruto has also come upon this so his desire for acknowledgment has changed. As a child, he saw the position of Hokage as one that was surrounded by acknowledgement and power without understanding the responsibilities behind it. Much in the way he didn't recognize the real significance of the memorial stone. The Wave Arc was an awakening for all of Team 7. Look at how with his accomplishments throughout the manga, he has had opportunities to declare his accomplishments to the world, and yet he has remained silent. This is quite evident after the Gaara fight.

You do not accept acknowledgement for the sake of acknowledgement. You save someone because you want to save them; not hoping for the reaction they give you after the fact. Looking to be a hero does not make you a hero. Naruto is no longer the scared, compensating child leper who must cling for everything. Besides, isn't Konohamaru the first person to directly state he wants acknowledgement from Naruto, as a rival in the title of Hokage? And that was way before Hinata was even introduced in the manga.



And that is also a significant difference in the crushes between Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, and Hinata. Sakura's and Hinata's crushes focused on respective traits they lacked and that the male boys had.

Naruto ---> Sakura: The same desire for acknowledgement
Hinata ---> Naruto: The difference in strength and never give up attitude
Sakura ---> Sasuke: The status and popularity

And if you think physical attraction should not be a part of it, looks do matter. Not to the same extent for every person, but it exists nonetheless. If physical attraction was obsolete, we wouldn't be having debates and arguments with homosexuality and heterosexuality.


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QUOTE (FrutyLishis @ Aug 20 2009, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Roninmedia raises a good point. And as for looks... I know they're very important. It's just that some NH fans use use ''Sakura's ugly'' as an arguement, which doesn't really make much of a point against anything besides the fact that they can argue intellectually. Besides that, even if she were, it's Kishimoto's early art style they should blame. Hell, even if Sakura suddenly turned ugly, I doubt Naruto would love her any less. He isn't shallow.

But yeah, what ^ said.


Sakura's ugly is stupid argument because Naruto thinks she looks attractive. That's really all that matters.

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 09:18 PM

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The poster did and mentioned. However, double standards are no problem for this poster.


I am not sure what you mean?



Why can't people use at least use good grammar when arguing their points on You tube? I could barely get threw that post.


The Sakura Ugly argument is stupid at best really. I doubt Naruto cares about looks he not that sallow.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 21 August 2009 - 12:04 AM.


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Posted 20 August 2009 - 09:56 PM

Waste of time to argue with that nonsense since only time will tell, although I'll acknowledge that this NH shipper sounds slightly more intelligent than the average 14 year old Hinata fan.
I have to disagree that the playing field is even, but Hinata probably succeeded in rocking the boat. Which is fine with me, just because it adds suspense and drama to NaruSaku.


I don't mean to be biased.. but yeah I guess I can't stop it from sounding that way. From a literary perspective, I can't see any other outcome.

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 11:40 PM

Sakuras and Hinatas looks are beside the point. how ugly and or pretty they look are opinions not arguments and hence irrelevant.

Also if we are to be thorough Kishimoto at the beginning stated that he didnt know how to draw a cute girl and sakuras initial look was the result. other writers and editors agreed that at the start of the series she wasnt cute at all.

As kishi got more practiced she grew up and blossomed nicely untill shes the beautiful cherry blossom we all know and love,

but if we are to use this argument about looks then Narutos initial crush on her was not shallow and based on her looks because kishimoto himself said Sakura wasnt cute at the start.

so hence logcially Naruto wasnt basing his crush on her looks.
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Posted 20 August 2009 - 11:40 PM

QUOTE (RyrineaHaruno @ Aug 20 2009, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am not sure what you mean?



Why can't people use at least good grammar when arguing their points? I could barely get threw that post.


The Sakura Ugly argument is stupid at best really. I doubt Naruto cares about looks he not that sallow.



1. I meant that the poster mentioned reading the chapters you said s/he probably had not. I just don't think the poster cares about being fair. As I pointed out, s/he went on about how there was no NaruSaku moments for so long, then immediately defends the non-response from Naruto about Hinata.

2. Err....Are you referring to my post? If so, let me know what made it unreadable. I try my best to be clear.

Edited by Daidoji_Tangen, 20 August 2009 - 11:41 PM.


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Posted 20 August 2009 - 11:57 PM

QUOTE (Daidoji_Tangen @ Aug 20 2009, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. I meant that the poster mentioned reading the chapters you said s/he probably had not. I just don't think the poster cares about being fair. As I pointed out, s/he went on about how there was no NaruSaku moments for so long, then immediately defends the non-response from Naruto about Hinata.

2. Err....Are you referring to my post? If so, let me know what made it unreadable. I try my best to be clear.


1. FOr one thank you

2. No I was referring to the you tuber

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 12:00 AM

OK. Thanks for clearing that up.

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Posted 22 August 2009 - 06:06 AM

Got another post on my youtube pairing video that made me go WTF.

ok look guys yes narusaku is more likely than naruhina but which one of these relationships causes more turmoil? Say for instance if narusaku does happen what then? they already hang out together, eat together occasionally, and are on the same team aside from a few relationship problems it should work out fine. ok what do i mean by this? It's that turmoil that keeps the reader interested in the story which is why NARUHINA WILL be more likely.........to be continued....... (continuing on) naruhina has more potential for a relationship in a manga like naruto 1 naruto barely knows hinata. 2 she's part of the hyuga clan marital problems may arise 3 sh's neji's cousin now this may be seen as a bad thing for a relationship BUT a crucial factor comes into play CONFLICT SELLS and that maybe why kishimoto might end up with naruhina with more problems arising more material can be written and published.

Could someone please explain this to me?
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Posted 22 August 2009 - 06:33 AM

QUOTE (NuclearRaven @ Aug 21 2009, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Got another post on my youtube pairing video that made me go WTF.

ok look guys yes narusaku is more likely than naruhina but which one of these relationships causes more turmoil? Say for instance if narusaku does happen what then? they already hang out together, eat together occasionally, and are on the same team aside from a few relationship problems it should work out fine. ok what do i mean by this? It's that turmoil that keeps the reader interested in the story which is why NARUHINA WILL be more likely.........to be continued....... (continuing on) naruhina has more potential for a relationship in a manga like naruto 1 naruto barely knows hinata. 2 she's part of the hyuga clan marital problems may arise 3 sh's neji's cousin now this may be seen as a bad thing for a relationship BUT a crucial factor comes into play CONFLICT SELLS and that maybe why kishimoto might end up with naruhina with more problems arising more material can be written and published.

Could someone please explain this to me?


I want to be able to call that a troll. I think it's just pure stupidity though.....

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Posted 22 August 2009 - 06:35 AM

QUOTE (NuclearRaven @ Aug 22 2009, 02:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Got another post on my youtube pairing video that made me go WTF.

ok look guys yes narusaku is more likely than naruhina but which one of these relationships causes more turmoil? Say for instance if narusaku does happen what then? they already hang out together, eat together occasionally, and are on the same team aside from a few relationship problems it should work out fine. ok what do i mean by this? It's that turmoil that keeps the reader interested in the story which is why NARUHINA WILL be more likely.........to be continued....... (continuing on) naruhina has more potential for a relationship in a manga like naruto 1 naruto barely knows hinata. 2 she's part of the hyuga clan marital problems may arise 3 sh's neji's cousin now this may be seen as a bad thing for a relationship BUT a crucial factor comes into play CONFLICT SELLS and that maybe why kishimoto might end up with naruhina with more problems arising more material can be written and published.

Could someone please explain this to me?


More like nonsense to me, they want to bring romance into the series as a main factor. Many fans need to understand that this isn't American soap opera where we want and see which character gonna be with whomever.

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Posted 22 August 2009 - 08:02 AM

QUOTE (NuclearRaven @ Aug 21 2009, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Got another post on my youtube pairing video that made me go WTF.

ok look guys yes narusaku is more likely than naruhina but which one of these relationships causes more turmoil? Say for instance if narusaku does happen what then? they already hang out together, eat together occasionally, and are on the same team aside from a few relationship problems it should work out fine. ok what do i mean by this? It's that turmoil that keeps the reader interested in the story which is why NARUHINA WILL be more likely.........to be continued....... (continuing on) naruhina has more potential for a relationship in a manga like naruto 1 naruto barely knows hinata. 2 she's part of the hyuga clan marital problems may arise 3 sh's neji's cousin now this may be seen as a bad thing for a relationship BUT a crucial factor comes into play CONFLICT SELLS and that maybe why kishimoto might end up with naruhina with more problems arising more material can be written and published.

Could someone please explain this to me?


all im reading right now is IN DENIAL. like derock said, they just want to find a way to bring naruhina into the story

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Posted 22 August 2009 - 06:58 PM

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ok look guys yes narusaku is more likely than naruhina but which one of these relationships causes more turmoil? Say for instance if narusaku does happen what then? they already hang out together, eat together occasionally, and are on the same team aside from a few relationship problems it should work out fine. ok what do i mean by this? It's that turmoil that keeps the reader interested in the story which is why NARUHINA WILL be more likely.........to be continued....... (continuing on)


What? All, I am here to say is denial isn't just a river in Egypt. Imo It not just about which relationship cause turmoi. In a literacy sense the only out come I can see is NS BECAUSE ITS has more development. I can't even see Nh as a possibility because what turmoil is their when she want put up a fight or what not. She agree with everything he does that not trunmoil swetty and that does not make a relationship work Imo.

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naruhina has more potential for a relationship in a manga like naruto 1 naruto barely knows hinata. 2 she's part of the hyuga clan marital problems may arise 3 sh's neji's cousin now this may be seen as a bad thing for a relationship BUT a crucial factor comes into play CONFLICT SELLS and that maybe why kishimoto might end up with naruhina with more problems arising more material can be written and published.



Uh, So why would Kishimoto suddenly turn a 180 and decide that Nh is canon. Your a troll, you said it your it would not look good for a Hokage to have a wife who is head of the clan it would look like Favoritism.

In other words, it not good to have a wife as a clan member. No, I think he is closing the story up so far so he doesn't need to waste panel time on stuff that doesn't have anything to do with the plot of Naruto and the conclusion of the story. So in other words your a troll you wants to get in to a huge debate about Ns vs Nh and what would be better for the story

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Posted 22 August 2009 - 07:47 PM

From a literary standpoint he does have a point in that conflict sell more then peace does. after all would we be reading Naruto if he and sasuke had jsut sat down and had a picnic at the Valley of the end instead of a Knockdown drag out brawl?

However he is totaly incorrect in his assumption that NaruHina would have mor epotential for conflict then NaruSaku. for one Hinata doesnt contradict or disagree with naruto hence no conflict there. two Naruto is about pushing aside old hatreds and predjudices or changing old clan policies so the hyuga argument isnt valid either as Naruto has already made an impression on the hyuga. finally Neji respects Naruto why in the world would he have a problem with them as a couple?

Sakura on the other hand has unresolved feelings towards Sasuke ((caused ironically by Naruto)) that have to be resolved. She also has issues with feeling inadequate to all that naruto has done for her still feeling like all she can do is small things for him. She still has to accept what Yamato said to her about the strength of her feelings towards him.

Sure they do hang out together, and eat together ((just like a regular couple go figure)) but they also argue over things ((usually Narutos recklessness, or occaisonal bouts of pervertedness)) they fight ((generally when Naruto does something stupid)) hence Naruto and Sakura actually have more conflict and potential for conflict then Naruto and Hinata do.

simply put his argument was valid but his conclusion was incorrect and refuted by manga evidence.
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QUOTE (NuclearRaven @ Aug 19 2009, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I got this message on youtube from a NaruHina fan I've been debating with for the past few weeks and he did bring up some good points. Here's what he had to say.

Don't know what I'm looking at? Ugh...Lemme explain...
NaruSaku fans have become so hot headed after 458 but you can't even see the bigger picture...Naruto has said ANYTHING! Assumption has been tossed around left and right but you are minus FACT....You are ASSUMING that Sakura has completely dropped her feelings for Sasuke and moved on to Naruto, you are ASSUMING that Naruto was completely unaffected by Hinata words, you are ASSUMING...Far too much...I know what you thinking and I'm not....Naruto does not have to NOR is he obligated to return Hinata feelings. However I for one couldn't see why he wouldn't even want to talk to her/try it. Any thoughts?

Well, I think I might post a response later, but for now I'd just like to comment that I absolutely love how he's allowed to generalize our fandom, but we aren't allowed to generalize his. Really, who of the NaruSaku fandom community (who eat logic and win for breakfast every day) ever said that Hinata's confession didn't effect Naruto? How many of us ever said or implied Sakura's moved on from her feelings for Sasuke?

The point the majority of us try to make is that just because Hinata confessed to acknowledging Naruto (after a time he was already satisfied with his recognition) long before a lot of others did doesn't mean he's going to romantically look at her. Why? Because, and this has been confirmed by Kishimoto, Naruto loves Sakura. His feelings for her have been building and intensifying since CHAPTER THREE. Do you have any idea how many chapters that is?? Let me just tell you this: It's far more than any development Naruto's feelings have been given for Hinata, who has never been addressed as anything more than a friend!

Of course Hinata's confession touched Naruto, but the most it's going to do is make him understand her a little bit better and (wait for it...) acknowledge her; at most, he'll be able to relate with her and become closer as a friend with her. Her dream has always been to be noticed by him, and her attempt to save his life is exactly what will make him do it. But that doesn't mean he's going to romantically pursue her.

Also, I don't believe everyone of the NaruSaku community actually believes Sakura's overcome her hopeless romantic affection for Sasuke just yet. The point we try to stress over and over again, however, is that Sakura has shown to have developed romantic feelings in turn for Naruto. This has been heavily implied twice by two characters who hardly even know her (Sai and Yamato). Not only that, but Sakura's own actions have implied that her feelings have turned a little bit in Naruto's direction than Sasuke's. If anyone has any serious doubt regarding this, then they should just read the manga over again starting from chapter three.

Also, after over 455 chapters of emotional development regarding Sakura, I'd say Naruto has a lot more reason to like her than just "she craved acknowledgement like me".

Just saying, though.

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