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[Iwantbuns]

Yep.

Anyways, the love triangle is still alive. Hinata won't even be involved, because she isn't apart of the team 7 love triangle. This is just going to be about resolving that and of course Naruto's feelings. Sigh.

Can we all just take a moment and admire this page. I love it. I think it's so well done and it definitely brings back memories.

 

Oh yeah... I wasn't the only one that loved this page ^^

[Liu bie]

Yep.

Anyways, the love triangle is still alive. Hinata won't even be involved, because she isn't apart of the team 7 love triangle. This is just going to be about resolving that and of course Naruto's feelings. Sigh.

Can we all just take a moment and admire this page. I love it. I think it's so well done and it definitely brings back memories.

How should  begin the battle? some taijutsu first or the big guns at onces? or like Naruto vs Neji anime some time to study the opponent?

Edited by Liu bie, 26 September 2014 - 04:41 PM.

[Hiraishin]

Fits with the rest of the manga I guess.

lol. truuu

[luffyq1]

Fits with the rest of the manga I guess.

True.

[Qia]

Yup, apparently daisuki was used. But i don't belive it is a confession, but her venting and making a last plea to him by assuring him that he is still important to her and they can always get back to the old days. But as I said I see it more as venting than anything else given her facial expression.

 In that case, I actually feel more calm than I did before with this confirmation, considering the term can be said to relatives and friends. If she'd said Aikitteneru well then...welp. That can't be argued against. So basically, is it safe to stick with the opinion that Sakura no longer romantically loves Sasuke, considering her love is supposed to be different now? Essentially, it's rooted more in the kindness that she has for people than her heart now? It would be kind of strange for her to mean it romantically, and then go to the whole "team 7 can go back to the way it was before and you'll be happy" . Maybe that's why Manga panda uses the words "used to love you" ? So that it's easier to differentiate between this confession and the last. 

Edited by Qia, 26 September 2014 - 04:43 PM.

[Hiraishin]

You have to look at the context dude... She definitely meant it romantically. Accept that. That whole ordeal mirrored her confession in 181, for chrissake.

Edited by Hiraishin, 26 September 2014 - 04:45 PM.

[Awes9]

I remember back when Naruto & Sasuke first woke up with their new power-ups, there was an interview in which Kishi said that he still didn't know how Madara was going to be defeated and that he'll need to talk it over with his editors in trying to find a solution. And we all know how that turned out: Kaguya. I guess till this point, Kishi couldn't figure out a way to solve the romance triangle complex and he must've started brain storming with his editors and this was what they probably came up with: "Sakura needs to come to terms with her feelings once and for all and realize the truth (Naruto is in fact that right choice) but it'll be through Sasuke's actions that'll make her understand. After she wakes up, the healing process can finally begin." To Kishi and his editors, this is an acceptable way to solve her feelings, but obviously to not just NS fans, but anyone can see that this was a horrible way and that it just makes Naruto look like a rebound.

The romance subplot has been getting more and more awful since the summit arc we just reached a new low.
If NS is meant to happen I think Sakura will choose Naruto over a good Sasuke to make it more significant, that’s what I always believed but I just don't see tough how Kishi can make it believable after all the crap he pulled and the emphasis on Sakura’s love up to this point.

Truth be told the best scenario would be for Sakura to finally get over Sasuke, Naruto to get his closure and leave the ending open ended.

[Fenris]

Wow.. 93 pages.

 

What'd I miss?

[Qia]

You have to look at the context dude... She definitely meant it romantically. Accept that. That whole ordeal mirrored her confession in 181, for chrissake.

 

But I am looking at the context??? Which is why I'm asking if it's okay to read it in that way, considering the reason why it was paralleled was to bring up the fact that she couldn't do anything for him back then, the same way she still can't do anything for him now. 

[Hiraishin]

 
But I am looking at the context??? Which is why I'm asking if it's okay to read it in that way, considering the reason why it was paralleled was to bring up the fact that she couldn't do anything for him back then, the same way she still can't do anything for him now. 

No. She meant it romantically.

This is getting a little sad, really... How would you (this is not just directed at you, but everyone) feel if Sakura said I love you to Naruto and people tried to pass it off as platonic? SS/NH are always trying to twist every scene into their favour, I would hope NS didn't do the same. You have to accept things for what they are. Again, this isn't directed at you, it's just a general statement.

[Nate River]

You have to look at the context dude... She definitely meant it romantically. Accept that. That whole ordeal mirrored her confession in 181, for chrissake.

Indeed. That was the whole point. It was one gigantic lazy-ass parallel to the events at the end of part 1. I don't see who it can be read different given the context. Nobody else seemed to think she meant it any other way given Sasuke's response to it.

[PhenixElite]

Seems like kishi is writing a manga where he gives a kitten about his main character. Hes just letting him suffer but maybe hes still getting sakura with a little bit more asspulling and of yourse onyl as 2nd place forver....

 

Maybe its getting even better and kishi makes all this turn hate to love talk with sasuke come true and suddenly sasuke realises his strong feelings for sakura and we got SS in the end. I mean as it seems sakura wont have any problem with it right??

Edited by PhenixElite, 26 September 2014 - 04:59 PM.

[Qia]

No. She meant it romantically.

This is getting a little sad, really... How would you (this is not just directed at you, but everyone) feel if Sakura said I love you to Naruto and people tried to pass it off as platonic? SS/NH are always trying to twist every scene into their favour, I would hope NS didn't do the same. You have to accept things for what they are. Again, this isn't directed at you, it's just a general statement.

 It's not like i'm trying to twist it "to my favour". As a matter of fact, I care more about Sakura the individual than Sakura with Naruto. If NS didn't happen, I wouldn't find it a big deal....I'm just confused ._., which is why I'm asking for clarification on a few things. Like, for one thing, how can her love be different...yet the same as before? that makes no sense? How is her being a kind girl and seeing her duty now to save Sasuke = romantic love/the love she held for him in part 1.  Unless of course, he simply meant that her love for him has matured and is, basically, more serious now. 

Edited by Qia, 26 September 2014 - 05:03 PM.

[DarkRadeon]

I still remember this interview where Kishi says 

 

"Ah Sasuke,as expected she still Sasuke" .The interviewer couldnt get the middle word and it was probably love but I think that for NaruSaku to happen Sakura needs to get over this Sasuke issue once and for all and maybe this was the means of doing it.Her heart finally gets so much pain that I think she wont love him like that on waking up.

 

 

Wasnt there a parallel earlier which said "A woman's heart is just like the autumun's sky always changing" .Sakura is a complex girl compared to girls like Hinata so anything can happen really

 

Of course if it does end with SasuSaku I will just shrug it off as fan service for NaruHina and SasuSaku considering the former actually has some sense but the latter is an asspull

 

We also need to see what Naruto does with Hinata after IT is down.I am sure Kishi has A LOT more up ahead for pairings.Just getting worked up on one chapter is honestly unnecessary

Edited by DarkRadeon, 26 September 2014 - 05:05 PM.

[Nic]

 

But I am looking at the context??? Which is why I'm asking if it's okay to read it in that way, considering the reason why it was paralleled was to bring up the fact that she couldn't do anything for him back then, the same way she still can't do anything for him now. 

 

Sasuke's reaction makes it pretty clear. 

[Gojira]

Have anyone thought that the "love" Sakura feels for Sasuke its not the same? The way I see it the fandom is over reacting and not thinking clearly. Love is not just about kissing, holding hands or making babies. For example I love my family, I love my friends, I love my neighbors (well not exactly lol). Point is that's the love Sakura feels for Sasuke, its the same love Naruto feels for him friendship, family (the team 7 bond). Kakashi already cleared Sakura's romantic feelings for Sasuke have changed, what she has for him is the bond they shared as t7. I just can't believe the fandom will dismiss, more disappointing fans from this ship and members of this forum. In the end Kishi will surprise with NS I haven't stop believing and neither should you.

I'm not going to be surprised when NS becomes canon, but I do think I will be very dissapointed because the way Kishi will go about it will likely raise more questions than answers.

[Hiraishin]

Indeed. That was the whole point. It was one gigantic lazy-ass parallel to the events at the end of part 1. I don't see who it can be read different given the context. Nobody else seemed to think she meant it any other way given Sasuke's response to it.

Exactly. The events from ~177 to where Naruto meets up with Sasuke at the Valley of the End, all condensed into one chapter.

 It's not like i'm trying to twist it "to my favour". As a matter of fact, I care more about Sakura the individual than Sakura with Naruto. If NS didn't happen, I wouldn't find it a big deal....I'm just confused ._., which is why I'm asking for clarification on a few things. Like, for one thing, how can her love be different...yet the same as before? that makes no sense? How is her being a kind girl and seeing her duty now to save Sasuke = romantic love/the love she held for him in part 1. 

I'm not saying you're doing that, but people do. I'm sorry though, I know you're just trying to get some things cleared up.

It doesn't make sense but that's Kishimoto for you. You'll just have to take the SS interpretation of 675 (her feelings deepened into "mature/true love") if you really want to reconcile it with this.

Edited by Hiraishin, 26 September 2014 - 05:22 PM.

[Gojira]

Who else is expecting Sakura to still be in love with Sasuke after having Nardo's kid?

[Sinedd]

Chapter 693: Once Again... (same title with chapter 680). Meaning of the title: Naruto VS. Sasuke. One last battle. The way he ended PART I, same way will end PART II, with Naruto VS. Sasuke.
Sakura is ridiculous, says the same thing she sees Sasuke. Don't you understand girl, that Sasuke doesn't care about you and he doesn't love you? Even if she has grown up, some things remains the same...like Sakura.
This chapter could have been better if Sasuke killed Sakura for real, not a genjutsu. At least she won't talk anymore in the upcoming chapters. As for Kakashi, he doesn't need to involve in this, good thing he's overpowered.
We will found out Sasuke's real intentions and his opinions on what is like to be Hokage. Is he like Madara, just Hogoromo says or different?
They choose to fight in the same place they fought in Part I - Valley of the End. Sasuke standing on Madara's statue and Naruto on Hashirama's statue.
The Final Battle for the title of Hokage begins!
I wished if Sasuke revived Madara, but on second thought...I'm mistaken. This is one-one fight, no one will involve in battle, the moment we all have been waiting for, who is more powerful: Naruto or Sasuke?

[BakeNeko-Chan]

So.... 24-ish hours later and I'm still really unsatisfied with this chapter.

 

I keep wishing Sakura was more like Astrid or Winrey, and less like how she is portrayed here where her fierceness is always undermined. 

 

Case in point: Sakura is one of the strongest at breaking genjutsus. Her natural talent outpaces most of the shinobi in Konoha, as seen in the chunin exam when she was one of only a few in the stands (think best of the best all gathered to watch the matches) to withstand that genjutsu and come out of it on her own, with no help from anyone. And what happens in this chapter? Of course, Sasuke hits her with a nasty genjutsu that she is powerless to overcome, striking down the thing she is most talented at (outside of chakra control). 

 

It's undermines her on two different levels: 

1. Sasuke forcing himself on her violently in her mind is the same as doing it in the flesh — Sasuke gives the impression of killing her. He leaves her with the intent and image, just not the actual deed. This is a violence at it strongest, cold blooded murder, and there's no excusing it or justifying his actions. It's psychological torture, and one that she believes is real until someone snaps her out of it.

2. Sakura's number one skill has been taken away — Her ability to fend off genjutsu's has collapsed. By flopping on the ground, disabled by Sasuke, Sakura is shown in the ultimate weak position. She can't kill him with her physical skill, she can't heal him, she can't beg for him to stay, and now she can't even break his genjutsu, a skill which even he noted in the past was superior to others. She's been completely disabled. Physically and emotionally.

 

And if next chapter Kishimoto pulls a switch, trolling us all by showing Sasuke talking to her in the genjutsu instead of mentally killing her over and over, it will be equally repulsive. Hurting her just to show how much he really loves her, beneath it all in some secret head space, is often how victim's excuse away physical domestic abuse. And if Kishimoto uses it as plot device....well, it will be a new low for the story.

 

The last thing that really disgusts me is that the outpouring of sympathy towards Sasuke remains as strong as ever. Willfully so, even when it flies in the face of reality. The Sage talks of hoping Sasuke can one day find love...after he just stabbed the girl who professed her love through the heart!! WTH, Sage? Were you not paying attention there? 

 

And Naruto simply whines about it, as if Sasuke just hung up the phone on Sakura instead of killing her with his mind. I'm beginning to wonder if there is anything Sasuke could do that would be deemed as too far by Naruto's standards.

 

My point is Sasuke has done NOTHING to warrant this much continued sympathy. Nothing. But he gets heaps and heaps of from those around him, even from someone who only just met him (the Sage) while Sakura has been mentally murdered and is lying in a fetal position beside them. But she is barely noticed except for Naruto's half-hearted comment, because the rest of them keep their eyes on Sasuke, still blathering on about his poor plight.

 

There is no way Kishi can redeem this storyline in one battle. And I think we can all assume that Naruto's going to lose because of the state of his hand in the movie sketches (probably from using that technique that destroys muscle at the cellular level). And Sasuke's continued glare in the sketches makes it look like nothing's changed with him, so we can just assume he won't be the loser here. 

 

So I'm with folks who think this fight will go down like that OVA, with Sakura and Kakashi rescuing a wounded Naruto. 

 

My only concern is that the story will wrap up like that novel, where the heroine doesn't come to her senses about the main character until the very, very end. Can't remember the name, but it was the promotional novel that mirrored Naruto's story. I just would like to see more of the story of Naruto and Sakura together than the last two pages of the manga or that last five minutes of the movie.

 

Love this post, too bad I ran out of Likes.

 

Present tense.

 

Well, shoot. Regardless, I still like Sakura, I'm just too attached to this character to ever hate her. But man, Kishimoto sure has a knack for disappointing me time and again.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 26 September 2014 - 05:11 PM.